When does "death" occur?

[dking777]

So, I was standing next to this friend and the 'voice of the true Mother' told me what to say.

I did this a lot in Junior High. I was standing with some classmates in 7th grade and a subject came up and the 'voice of the Mother' came to me and told me to challenge them to something. They were asking me a question about the 'afterlife' and how I knew the answer to a question. I didn't tell anyone the answer and told them I would give it to them in a parable. (This is what I was told to say to them.) I told them 'my real Mother' was speaking to me in secret - sort of like a 'hidden tin can and string' way or a hidden 'walkie talkie' and she was on the line as we spoke telling me what to say to them. So, I told them that I would meet up with them at the 20 year HS reunion. In this conversation - I was told (by the Spirit of the True Mother) everything that was going to happen at the reunion in 1998. I told them these things in 1973 - 25 years ahead of time. I told them what they would be wearing, I told them what I would be wearing. I told them who would be there and who was going to be absent due to 'death.' I told them I would show up with 'no memories' of the past due to 'knock on the head.' (A reference to my amnesia.) So, if they tried to ask me about the predictions - my mind would be in the dark. It was not me who was making the predictions to them. It was God and I was just giving 'voice' to what God was telling me to say. I made sure this point was made to them. I moved away at the age of 14 and came back for vacation and drove around and gave voice on behalf of spirit several more times. I told them what year, make and model of car I was going to show up at the reunion in - as well as the color. ( A red 1968 Oldsmobile Toronado.) This prediction was given to someone whom (I was told) I was going to run into in the parking lot and they were going to be interest in the 'classic' car I was driving.


In 1998, I showed up (as a fluke) at the HS reunion. I didn't graduate from that class and felt like an outsider. After it was over with - all my memories came back and I was stunned to realize that over 50 predictions (given by spirit) had all came true. Including the classmates who were going to be absent due to 'death.' (They had a board with their photographs on the wall at the reunion in honor of their memory.)


So, no - this is not a psychic game where I peer into a crystal ball. All the predictions came from the voice of the one I always referred to as my "Real and True Mother" when I was a child.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

From the short glimpses I've had from other lives, of the space between lives, talking to my guide after my death, about those murders, the message I got......

When I made the final promise (at the age of 15) on behalf of the voice of the 'Real Mom' - I was living in a different city and a different state. I felt the most important thing for me to look forward to was - keeping that promise and being there with my former classmates. I had 23 years to go. I was still having NDE's at the time and when I went (in spirit) to the lower planes and spoke with the 'spirit guides' - either they were 'acting deaf, dumb and blind' about the predictions - or they were 'deaf, dumb and blind.' They were 'bound to time' and worked within the framework of time. They were either not 'privileged to the timelessnes' or eternal view - or didn't want to 'go there with me.' (If I spoke to spirit guides in English or my worldly language - they were like classroom teachers and bound to a set of rules and guidelines they worked within.) I would have to go up to the higher plane and to the realm where the "Spirit of Mom" dwelled to get any sort of conversation - and then - that conversation was 'stripped' from me when I returned to the 'conscious' human mind again.


You spoke of the 'astral planes' and yes - depending on which plane you find yourself in spirit - is going to be the point of view shared amount those that are there. The lower planes are going to be focused on the 'worldly point of view' - as opposed to the 'soul' point of view of the higher 'divine realms.'


These are the same spirit guides who would escort me back to the physical body and say - "You have a choice, to stay or go." I wrote about my frustration this 'so-called choice" and how it didn't matter what I said in the moment - I was going to have to 'stick with the plan.' What is that saying? Over their heads. When it came to the 'predictions about the future' that the 'true Mother' had given me - this was an authority that was over the 'heads' of your average spirit guide and not something they had the authority or insight to speak on and give advise to. There 'mindset' and direction was focused on the 'world of time.' Over and over again they told me the same thing. That is the future and it hasn't happened yet. You don't know if it will happen or not. You will not know until that moment comes and either you do - or you don't keep your promises to the 'True Mother." On a human level - this was very true. Yet, I knew that the "True Mother" had sight of the future and I had memories of being there - and having had sight of it my own self as a 'spirit' of pure light.


Of course, it is hidden from our conscious point of view - or - otherwise - how would we 'stick to the plan' at hand?


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

I don't know if 'plan' is a good word to use. It gets confusing for the rational and logical mind. I shared a parable I once used as a child after I witnessed and heard my first jet flying overhead. I felt that is how the 'spirit' of me worked. It was far ahead of where I was at. The 'spirit of me' was already standing beside my corpse in a morgue in spirit - yet - here I was playing ball in childhood still. Where are all these 'choices' that are being made between 'birth' and 'death' if my spirit is already standing beside my corpse after death?


Are we making 'choices' on behalf of our physical bodies and minds alone? Are we totally independent and free from any influence from the (over) soul or spirit? That is how I looked at it. The 'spirit and soul' was the jet plane that could break the sound barrier and travel through time at the speed of light - while my physical body was just the noise left behind from the afterburner in it's wake.


Is this conversation we are having in the moment - now, something created in this moment in time - or - did our spirits 'zoom' through at the speed of light in a 'timeless' and eternal state - and all the choices made about what words, sentences, themes, topics and points we are sharing with one another -- choices our spirits made in a 'timeless' manner with free will in the process - yet - here we are in the physical ream in 'time' experiencing it for what we think (due to the blind manner of time) is the first time when actually 'our spirits' have zoomed on ahead and is standing by both our corpses - waiting for us to catch up with them.


I wrote and shared about my NDE in 1988 and how one friend asked me what I did on the other side. I didn't like to talk about it because it always brought in controversy. It is one of those things where you have to be there yourself. But I spoke to him about meeting a former classmate and sharing a conversation with him. My friend thought I should contact his family and let them know he was in heaven. I laughed and told him that my classmate wasn't dead yet. He was still alive in the world and wouldn't have a mind to understand it. I was referring to one of the classmate who wasn't going to be at the 1998 HS reunion 10 years later. My friend was sort of stunned by this and thought I should warn him. I laughed again and told him, "Where I went - your already dead to. Everyone I know was dead. You were there. I just don't remember our conversation. I was allowed to remember my conversation with my classmate to make up for the missed reunion ahead of us. I say a prayer for him when I see his photograph at a reunion. Our meeting on the other side was the answer to my prayer. A prayer I haven't even said yet."


I forgot about my NDE and my 'reunion' with my classmate until I saw his photograph at the HS reunion and my instinct was to say a prayer in honor of his memory - and sure enough - I recalled my NDE and meeting his spirit on the other side. It was like his spirit was right there with me at the HS reunion - just as we had planned it in 1988, 10 years before the event took place.

"...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."

http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htmAlbert Einstein

http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm


If our choices are actually chosen in a 'timeless' state and then experienced in a 'state of time' - it creates the 'illusion' many mystics refer to. This is part of the plan. So, I don't think using the term 'to plan out before hand' is accurate when describing the illusion of time when in a 'state of timelessness' there is no 'before hand.'


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[Eowyn]

If our choices are actually chosen in a 'timeless' state and then experienced in a 'state of time' - it creates the 'illusion' many mystics refer to. This is part of the plan. So, I don't think using the term 'to plan out before hand' is accurate when describing the illusion of time when in a 'state of timelessness' there is no 'before hand.'

I really liked this final conclusion, DKing, food for thought!

 

[dking777]

My experiences with this 'theme' are vast and what leads me to my own opinion on the matter. I think I shared another experience on another thread that ties into this one. It was the time in 1981 when two 'spirit guides' woke me up in the middle of the night during a dream and told me that I was needed in the 'future.' I was going to ask a prayer and the Divine felt the only one who could deliver the answer to that prayer was -- me. It was like the 'Ghost of Christmas Future' showing up in the middle of the night and 'carting' me off to the some date unknown that was some where ahead in time. Of course, it was an 'out of body experience.' I told the story to my friends the next day when I woke up and we all got a good laugh out of it. I told them that my 'ghost' scared the 'heck' out of me in the future. I was standing outside an actual physical location and looking at actual people. It was real to me and my mind. I was told to tap the shoulder of my 'future self' and when my 'future self' turned to face me - I was supposed to say, "Worry not what people may think of you. Concern yourself with what the Father knows of you." When my 'future self' turned around a saw my 'ghost' standing there - it looked like my 'future self' was going make a mess in the britches.


Then, my mind merged and not only was I thinking like I thought in 1981 - I tapped into exactly what my 'thoughts' and reaction was going to be in the 'distant' future. I got mad as a 'hornet' about the whole thing - only because I started remembering the conversation that took place in 1981 and how I and all my friends were rolling on the floor laughing about the scare my own 'ghost' had given me. I was totally freaked out about it - in the future -- and mad at myself for making fun of that moment when it did hit me like a ton of bricks.


I didn't know what or how to think about it in 1981 and didn't know to take it all that seriously. I just wanted to make an impression on my mind so I would remember it in case the 'prediction' did come true.


On a human level - it was something I wasn't used to dealing with - with my conscious mind. On the NDE level - it is something that is normal. There (in the realm of spirit) there is no such thing.


It actually came to pass in 2003. I was playing cards with an Armenian immigrant who spoke Russian. He was only 18 years old. He hadn't even been born yet when I had that 'vision' of him in 1981. I told my friends everything he would be wearing, what I would be wearing - and even the cards that where in his hand as well as my hand. (My spirit didn't tap my future self on the shoulder until the cards were laid down.)


So, that was the only time where I 'saw' the future - and it was vivid and in living color. It was so vivid - I described the smell that was in the room.


In 1981, I wasn't describing a vision. I was describing an actual event where I actually touched a living, breathing, physical human being. My own self. If that wasn't enough - I did it twice. My spirit went to my 'future self' working in a movie studio changing the overhead lights. I described this situation to my friends in 1981. In 2005, I was working in a movie studio changing the overhead lights. I looked over my shoulder and once again caught a glimpse of my 'ghost' staring at me -- laughing.


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[dking777]

I had an interesting discussion about it with my friends in 1981. I couldn't figure it out. It seemed real to me - but - how could I have a physical body I was in - 1981 - and how could my spirit get out of my body and visit my future physical body - not once, but twice. Once in 2003 and again in 2005.


I already knew (if it came to pass exactly as I had witnessed in my 'dream' and out of body) how I was going to react to it in the future. It was going to totally freak me out - and when it happened in 2003 and then again in 2005 - I was freaked out. (Both times I was with other people and they asked what was wrong with me because I looked like I had seen a ghost.) I had seen a 'ghost.' My own 'ghost' was haunting me from the past - and laughing about it. I was so upset about it - I wanted to 'climb' out of my body - and go back into the past and kick myself in the behind for thinking that sort of thing was funny.


Instead, my 'rational, logical and normal' mind was kicked in the behind and it woke me up to a reality beyond that had me scratching my head trying to figure out how that was possible and what it meant as far as the physical reality was concerned.


It brought back memories of the time in 1988 shortly after my NDE when I felt I was 'lifted up' and visited past lives. It was the same thing. I felt I was a 'spirit' standing outside an actual physical being - and I knew that physical human being had housed my spirit in the past. But it didn't seem like the past when I was viewing it. It seemed like it was current and going on right then and there. If I had reached out and touched the person - I would have been touching an actual physical person. I watched the 'death scene' and I could smell the blood. When my 'spirit' returned to the physical body of 1988 - I still had the 'smell' of blood in my nostrils and it made me sick to my stomach.


I had to sit down and think about all the choices I had made between 1981 and 2005 - and there was no way I was making 'conscious' choices that would fulfill that 'vision' from 1981. I was working for a 'temp' agency and I never knew where they were going to send me. They didn't even tell me it was a movie studio. I was just told it was a 'general labor' assignment and they had all kinds of work. All they gave me was an address and the name of the person I was to report to.


I came to believe that the moments of your future are not something you have to find. Those moments will find you.


If this didn't happen to me directly, - I don't know what my belief would be on the matter. These experiences had a dramatic impact on my opinion concerning the past, present and future being one. I spoke about this often after my NDE in 1978 - but it didn't leave a dramatic impression on my mind because that 'NDE' state of mind is 'other worldly' and sort of lucid once it is filtered through the 'conscious mind' in the aftermath.


It is all a vast mystery and one that is very hard to comprehend.


Sincerely,


DKing