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Xenoglossy / are your PL memories in English or the original language?

Spiegel

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Hello all, I have some questions regarding xenoglossy in memories and dreams.

What language are your past life memories and in? Are they in the original language or have they been translated into English (or another language you can speak in this life)?

I.e., if you have memories of living in ancient Rome for example, do you speak English or Latin in the memory? If it's a foreign language, do you remember the exact words you use, or just know the meaning of what you're saying without understanding the language?

I am asking because I just realised in every PL dream and memory I have, and even in some ordinary dreams too, I'm able to speak and understand German. But when I wake up or recall those memories, I only remember the general sense of what I said and not the actual words (I don't know German well). I guess my subconscious mind knows German but if I focus too hard, the words become meaningless.

I found some of the letters I wrote in my past life, and although I know what I wrote, I have trouble relating the words on the page to the meaning. It's a weird feeling. Also I've picked up a lot of German and can listen/read to an extent, although I haven't deliberately been learning the language.

So, what are your experiences regarding language in PLs?
 
My PL took place in Italy.

When I talk to someone I knew then, I talk to him/her in Italian (I learned Italian in this life as a foreign langauge), but with a Spanish accent.

I notice the errors in Italian I make while I'm talking it, and try not to repeat them. These are typical phonetical - and sometimes grammatical errors all the Spaniards speaking Italian make, though mine are not so many as the others's. Shall not go into details.

Hope this helps.
 
Usually in English (just that I don't get conversations exactly, just what it was about) which is NOT my native language. I actually HEARD words only once, sounded like Latin but wasn't, first two words make sense in Italian, rest probably was Gibberish.
What it weird is that while I am thinking in English often, it sometimes is like my brain/what ever seems to grasp something in a language I don't speak (anymore?). Hard to explain and really weird.
 
I've only had one "memory"; it was a dream I later verified online. Someone was talking to me, but they had their head turned to the side and I couldn't see their face. I don't recall hearing anything though, however I just had a sense of knowing what she was saying to me. It was kind of like watching a silent movie, but knowing the dialog, because I had seen the script? So to speak..?

If I go with my first impressions / instinct, I can usually recall words words in other languages. They're typically familiar words though like names of people that were close to me.
 
I've always found this interesting. My internal dialogue sounds different than how I speak outwardly. UK English, and i've always had issues with UK spellings. I live in the middle of the US and I remember getting points docked on my school work for spelling 'harbour, flavour, colour' etc.

If I get frustrated and angry it comes out a little bit, or give me a few drinks and let me talk :D
 
I've always found this interesting. My internal dialogue sounds different than how I speak outwardly. UK English, and i've always had issues with UK spellings. I live in the middle of the US and I remember getting points docked on my school work for spelling 'harbour, flavour, colour' etc.

If I get frustrated and angry it comes out a little bit, or give me a few drinks and let me talk :D

The same thing happened (and still does) to me. I've always used British English spellings and also the cross hatched 7. I figured it came from two lives whose only exposure to English came from Britain. I've always had a tendency to spell light, leight though. I think that's German, so I'm curious why I do that.
 
I am french. In my most recent past live as a US citizen , I remember speaking and hearing in english with an US accent and better than I am speaking right now. I remember few sentences word for word.

Last week as I was watching a video ( sure I was looking for trouble) about the exact place where I have been killed in Vietnam (another operation but exactly the same valley). A veteran was talking and as soon he said the words Ky Phu, ambush, sniper , machine gun I burst into tears, shouted in english :" Don't let me walk on the left side of the road. Help, Help! I wanna go home!" I think it was my soul who was crying. Fortunately I was alone at home so nobody could think I was loosing my mind.
I know that his platoon was on the left side of the road when he was wounded.

I have also memories of past life in Russia, Austria and even the Marquesas islands. I don't remember speaking or hearing in a foreign language but I knew what they said.
In the Marquesas islands even if I didn't hear the language I knew what they said and I knew I couldn't understand the other tribe who captured me. I remember a name. It seems to be marquisian, kind of Hawaiian.

But I also remember few words in russian and could almost sing russian songs from 1783 and 1791. I heard it once.
 
Hi, everybody:

I think the knowledge of languages one speaks in a life is stored in one's physical brain.

Nevertheless, several phrases heard or said in a life can be memorized (and stored) in the soul, and thus survive across the reincarnations.

Though the knowledge of any language one spoke in a PL will be erased after a reincarnation, there will remain in the next life some attraction for a native tongue of one's previous life. In most cases this will result in the fact that one will want to learn one's PL native tongue in one's present life.

I started learning Italian when I was 8 years old - secretly from my parents, who discovered it half a year later, when they found my Italian manual and dictionary. My mother was worried it could interfere negatively with my school programs.

IMHO.

Best Regards.
 
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My previous two lives were German and now I have grown up in New Zealand.

I have been told by a few people (including someone from South Africa) that I speak with an Afrikaans accent! Wonder if that's because I still pronounce things a little German-like and that combined with the local accent of the Kiwis to sound Afrikaans instead.

It's strange because I speak totally different from my peers and family too, and phrase my sentences differently even though English is my first language.
 
My previous two lives were German and now I have grown up in New Zealand.

I have been told by a few people (including someone from South Africa) that I speak with an Afrikaans accent! Wonder if that's because I still pronounce things a little German-like and that combined with the local accent of the Kiwis to sound Afrikaans instead.

It's strange because I speak totally different from my peers and family too.

It's most surely a casual coincidence. The accent is stored in the physical brain and cannot survive across reincarnations.

IMHO.

Very best.
 
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It's most surely a casual coincidence. The accent is stored in the physical brain and cannot survive across reincarnations.

It is interesting you say that because it seems to be the opposite for me. I heard for the first time a song I used to sing a lot in my PL and although I didn't know the lyrics I could "feel" the mouth-shape required to sing the words (like old muscle memory that I hadn't used for a long time).

I would say that an accent is like muscle memory of the mouth- you're used to pronouncing certain letters in certain ways which carries over to a different language when you learn it. So I think, at least for me, I might have some lingering traces of German accent. When I was a child I used to pronounce 12 as "tchuelve" with the German tsch sound in front instead of tw, or at least until I got teased for it, and I still sometimes pronounce words like Spud and Street as shpud and shtreet, especially if I'm not paying attention. (in German sp and st are pronounced like that).

It used to be worse, but my mum forced me to go to speech classes as a child :(

Also my opinion too but I'm interested in your reply.

Best regards.
 
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My mother was an english teacher,
we have made several trips to the United Kingdom but I am more comfortable with the American language and accent.
By the way, I started to learn russian few months ago. It is weird, I don't need to learn it but I like to hear the language .
I don't know if my past life in Russia will help me. I will see....
 
I feel the same! I used to put on the German radio for comfort even though I couldn't understand (back then) because I liked hearing the sound of the lanugage.
I like to listen to old cossacks songs and Russian songs from the late 18th century.
The hymn to empress Catherine II reminds me a vision of me singing with other guards while holding a glass of vodka I guess.
I listen on the internet to oldies with a radio broadcasting from my PL hometown in the US ....
 
I like to listen to old cossacks songs and Russian songs from the late 18th century.
The hymn to empress Catherine II reminds me a vision of me singing with other guards while holding a glass of vodka I guess.
I listen on the internet to oldies with a radio broadcasting from my PL hometown in the US ....

By-the-by, Emma,

Did you know that the French word 'bistro' takes its origin from the Russian word 'bystro' which means "quickly".
When Napoleon fell and the Russian cossacks (under the zar Alexander II) occupied Paris in 1814, they used to go to the French bars to have their breakfasts, and, always in hurry, demanded "quickly, quickly" - in Russian 'bystro, bystro'.

Here, you'll see the re-enactors of the years 1812-1814, the descendants of the Cossacks of the Don River, starting their trip from Moscow to Paris to commemorate the events occurred in those years. Maybe they'll trigger some recollections.
 
By-the-by, Emma,

Did you know that the French word 'bistro' takes its origin from the Russian word 'bystro' which means "quickly".
When Napoleon fell and the Russian cossacks (under the zar Alexander II) occupied Paris in 1814, they used to go to the French bars to have their breakfasts, and, always in hurry, demanded "quickly, quickly" - in Russian 'bystro, bystro'.

Here, you'll see the re-enactors of the years 1812-1814, the descendants of the Cossacks of the Don River, starting their trip from Moscow to Paris to commemorate the events occurred in those years. Maybe they'll trigger some recollections.
Hi Cyrus,
I have read it for bistro.

OMG, thank you very much for the video. That's exactly what I saw under regression, riders with spears, in front of a white building and an Orthodox priest who was blessing the horsemen before their departure for war, except I had a red coat and blue trousers.
I didn't make the road to Paris. Died near Smolensk or Krasnoi in November 1812. I was so cold.
I think it was Alexander I not II.
Thank you very much.
Best regards
Emma
 
Hi Cyrus,
I have read it for bistro.

OMG, thank you very much for the video. That's exactly what I saw under regression, riders with spears, in front of a white building and an Orthodox priest who was blessing the horsemen before their departure for war, except I had a red coat and blue trousers.
I didn't make the road to Paris. Died near Smolensk or Krasnoi in November 1812. I was so cold.
I think it was Alexander I not II.
Thank you very much.
Best regards
Emma

Yes, Emma, you're absolutely right, it was Alexander I, my fault.

You died then, being a Russian Cossack? I thought only French died there from cold (and Spaniards, too, because we also participated in that expedition).

Here's a famous Soviet comedy, dedicated to those times, Koutouzov (the Napoleon's Russian counterpart) is easily recognizable by having only one eye.
It shows, though somewhat frivolously, the life of the Russian high society during the Napoleon's invasion of 1812. Hope it'll bring you some new recollections.
English subtitles can be easily activated.
Best wishes.
 
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Yes, Emma, you're absolutely right, it was Alexander I, my fault.

You died then, being a Russian Cossack? I thought only French died there from cold (and Spaniards, too, because we also participated in that expedition).

Here's a famous Soviet comedy, dedicated to those times, Koutouzov (the Napoleon's Russian counterpart) is easily recognizable by having only one eye.
It shows, though somewhat frivolously, the life of the Russian high society during the Napoleon's invasion of 1812. Hope it'll bring you some new recollections.
English subtitles can be easily activated.
Best wishes.
Thank you Cyrus.
A movie, I don't think it is historically accurate but the language and atmosphere is special for me.
I fell off my horse during the fight. I was injured, lying on the ground and I was cold and I told myself that I shouldn't fall asleep but above all I was very worried about my horse that I loved very much.
 
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Thank you Cyrus.
A movie, I don't think it is historically accurate but the language and atmosphere is special for me.
I fell off my horse during the fight. I was injured, lying on the ground and I was cold and I told myself that I shouldn't fall asleep but above all I was very worried about my horse that I loved very much.

Hi, Emma,

Yes, it's very dangerous to sleep on a frozen ground.

A Russian friend of mine, here in Barcelona, told me once, that he had saved from a sure death several persons there in Russia, when he was still a very young man, a student, by simply awakening some sleeping and drunk man on a street at night and putting him into a passing-by taxi that he stopped, or by simply calling police on such people.

Best Regards.

Take care.
 
I did have a life in Rome where I spoke Vulgar Latin. In the dream I had about it, it was like everything was translated for me. People were definitely speaking Latin, but I could understand it. Mind you, I only know some Classical Latin, which is notably different.

Only one of my past lives spoke English (well, early modern English) and I heard him speak very clearly in a dream once. Him, I understood without too much trouble.
 
Today I realised why I'm having trouble remembering older past lives, it's because I'm thinking in the wrong language.

With my 20th century lives, I could think "hmm, what did I do in 1970" or "what did I do in Hamburg?" and be able to remember what I did. However when I tried the same trick for my medieval lives, I came up with a blank. "Where was I in the 5th century" is a useless thought, because the BC/AD system had not yet been invented yet, and my Roman lifetime had different names for his town and locations.

Does this happen to anyone else? Doesn't even have to be ancient, could be something as modern as Königsberg vs Kaliningrad.

Today I found out my uncle, named Conrad in English and Konrad in German, was originally called Chuonrât back in the day. That triggered a lot of memories! Probably because the person I lived, laughed and fought besides was Chuonrât, while "Konrad" is a modern invention. If you're wondering, the CH is like Bach the composer, UO is a quick dipthong "oo orh", the R is like the Spanish single R, and the  is like father. Chuonrât. Very different from the English Conrad which is why I had trouble recalling anything earlier.

I also tried reading some Middle German texts (i.e. from the 12th century) and something about seeing and saying those words out loud helped me make the connection in my mind, making it easier to recall memories. I guess to remember being a medieval German, I have to think like one.

Another thing. Half a year ago, I had no knowlege of German and no past life memories. I saved a broadcast from Deutschlandfunk (radio) onto my phone to listen and could understand about two words. Today I re-listened to it and could comprehend 90% of what the speaker was saying. The only thing that's changed in the past six months is I've remembered lots of memories of being a German in the 20th century. I have not put any effort into to learning the language, but I guess past life memories include knowledge of language?
 
I can't remember past lives if I ask myself where was I in the Xth century. I have memories and then I try to find when the lifetime took place with details, clothes, events... I can't say where was my life on Ua Pou island, I can just say I have no memory of western explorators. To speak about xenoglossy I don't remember speaking or hearing marquesian language. I just answered the hypnotherapist with my name (marquesian words for born first) and where I was living with Hua Paou. I knew what the others were saying but I remember I couldn't understand people from the other tribe with their own dialect. But I couldn't say I was really hearing the language, it is so weird.

In Russia in the 18th century I remembered my hometown was "Tsaritsyn ". The Soviets changed the name for Stalingrad ( Tsaritsyn was because of the river Tsaritsa and nothing to do with the Tsar). Nowadays it's known as Volgograd. Stalingrad or Volgograd mean absolutely nothing to me.
Because of this PL, I started to learn russian few months ago . Grammar is not very easy but I learned the alphabet very quickly and can read easily even old Russian.
The lyrics of the 1791 Hymn " Громъ побѣды раздавайся" are familiar even if the letter "ѣ" is not used in the modern russian.
It's also easy for me to memorize words like regiment полк, horse конь, and cossacks related words like Атаман and Есаул cossack chiefs, сотня Unit of Cossacks, шашка sabre but not so easy with the modern words.
 
... I guess past life memories include knowledge of language?

No, they only include a certain pre-disposition towards your PL language, not its knowledge. The language is stored in the physical brain and cannot survive across reincarnations.

I passed from Greek to Italian and then from Italian to Spanish - and never spoke none of the previuos languages without having learnt it first as a foreign language. I still speak them with a Spanish accent, and make typical Spanish errors in their grammars. Never vice-versa.

IMHO
 
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I can't remember past lives if I ask myself where was I in the Xth century. I have memories and then I try to find when the lifetime took place with details, clothes, events...
I do more of the latter, but occasionally when I think about what I was doing in X year, I can remember. It's like saying what did I do in 2016, except much harder to remember. So I tend to do what you say, or rely on a memory sequence. Say I spontaneously remember an event and am able to verify the date, then what did I do next? and so I can fill in my timeline like this. E.g. I know I was in Hannover December 1986, then I remembered going to Brunssum, then stayed there until March, then went home. After getting the broad outline, I can then think "what was I doing in February?"—drinking coffee on a park bench in the town square on an overcast day, is what I recall, but not sure what date specifically.

Sometimes I can pull a date out of my memory. It's synesthesia related—months and days, years, letters and numbers have colours so I can remember people's names by what general colour it was. My co-worker's name was ochre and grey, his name was Harry. I later confirmed his name really was Harry through documents. I know X event occurred in X year because of the "location" on my mental calendar, I tend to visualise dates and times as being on a mental plane, so I combine that with the colour of the date to pinpoint when it occurred. I'm not always able to verify (sometimes the event was unrecorded) but when I can, I'm usually accurate. My favourite time this occurred was seeing a picture of me, I figured it was taken on December 1987 on a Tuesday. The picture was undated, but I realised the event was an anniversary on Dec 15th. Lo and behold, it was a Tuesday that year.


No, they only include a certain pre-disposition towards your PL language, not its knowledge. The language is stored in the physical brain and cannot survive across reincarnations.
I see what you mean, I guess I have a predisposition to the modern German langauge. I had to use a dictionary or google translate a lot when doing past life research, to be able to read what the sources say. Perhaps I picked up the language from there. Just to be clear though, I can read and listen but haven't tried speaking or writing. Perhaps I'll sound like a native English speaker if I do.

On another note, I do have an Afrikaans accent for no reason. Even my South African friend asked me if I was from there too, out of the blue without prompting. I have lived in New Zealand my entire life and English is my native language. The only explanation I can think of so far, is that something slightly Germanic carried over from my past life, as well as the New Zealand accent I grew up around, makes me sound Afrikaans.

But then occasionally, I can remember the meaning of a word out of nowhere. I listen to a lot of German music, and I did not understand at first, but one day it clicked and I could understand the lyrics crystal clear, when the day before I couldn't.

My past life who spoke Middle High German could read the Nibelungenlied, but I have a lot more trouble than him. But because I could remember reading it in a past life, I knew some of the word meanings just through past life memories. Only a few though, not enough to read the entire thing, but perhaps if I think about it all the time (like how I listened to my German song every day), I'll be able to recall more words. Who knows.

If language is stored in the physical brain and not carried over, then how can one remember place names, people names and sometimes even short phrases? Since they too are merely words. Perhaps one can then extrapolate from there to remember a wider range of vocabulary as well as an intrinsic feel for grammar.
 
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I do more of the latter, but occasionally when I think about what I was doing in X year, I can remember. It's like saying what did I do in 2016, except much harder to remember. So I tend to do what you say, or rely on a memory sequence. Say I spontaneously remember an event and am able to verify the date, then what did I do next? and so I can fill in my timeline like this. E.g. I know I was in Hannover December 1986, then I remembered going to Brunssum, then stayed there until March, then went home. After getting the broad outline, I can then think "what was I doing in February?"—drinking coffee on a park bench in the town square on an overcast day, is what I recall, but not sure what date specifically.

Sometimes I can pull a date out of my memory. It's synesthesia related—months and days, years, letters and numbers have colours so I can remember people's names by what general colour it was. My co-worker's name was ochre and grey, his name was Harry. I later confirmed his name really was Harry through documents. I know X event occurred in X year because of the "location" on my mental calendar, I tend to visualise dates and times as being on a mental plane, so I combine that with the colour of the date to pinpoint when it occurred. I'm not always able to verify (sometimes the event was unrecorded) but when I can, I'm usually accurate. My favourite time this occurred was seeing a picture of me, I figured it was taken on December 1987 on a Tuesday. The picture was undated, but I realised the event was an anniversary on Dec 15th. Lo and behold, it was a Tuesday that year.



I see what you mean, I guess I have a predisposition to the modern German langauge. I had to use a dictionary or google translate a lot when doing past life research, to be able to read what the sources say. Perhaps I picked up the language from there. Just to be clear though, I can read and listen but haven't tried speaking or writing. Perhaps I'll sound like a native English speaker if I do.

On another note, I do have an Afrikaans accent for no reason. Even my South African friend asked me if I was from there too, out of the blue without prompting. I have lived in New Zealand my entire life and English is my native language. The only explanation I can think of so far, is that something slightly Germanic carried over from my past life, as well as the New Zealand accent I grew up around, makes me sound Afrikaans.

But then occasionally, I can remember the meaning of a word out of nowhere. I listen to a lot of German music, and I did not understand at first, but one day it clicked and I could understand the lyrics crystal clear, when the day before I couldn't.

My past life who spoke Middle High German could read the Nibelungenlied, but I have a lot more trouble than him. But because I could remember reading it in a past life, I knew some of the word meanings just through past life memories. Only a few though, not enough to read the entire thing, but perhaps if I think about it all the time (like how I listened to my German song every day), I'll be able to recall more words. Who knows.

If language is stored in the physical brain and not carried over, then how can one remember place names, people names and sometimes even short phrases? Since they too are merely words. Perhaps one can then extrapolate from there to remember a wider range of vocabulary as well as an intrinsic feel for grammar.

Afrikaans is just South-African Dutch, and Dutch is Platten-Deutsch, a dialect of German.

A German friend of mine told me once that he had had to reach the goal of 5 o 6 foreign languages in his university in Germany, to successfully conclude his studies. As he had very little time left, he chose Dutch as the only foreign language that remained to be learnt. He said he was almost ashamed of having done this.

The fact of remembering some names doesn't mean you remember the whole language. It may be just a part of general PL memory of places. The language is something more than remembering several names - it's the capacity to mount a meaningful communication with people, where information flows in both directions, using a certain set of words and a certain set of rules (grammar).

But if you prefer to think and insist that you conserve the knowledge of German/Afrikaans within your PL memory - please do it. Who else cares?

IMHO
 
My memories (usually dreams) are all translated, except for very few exemptions. A few times I heard single words or phrases in Latin, for example, but it was rare, and because I learned Latin in current life, that’s not such a big deal.

In my last past life my native language was the same as now, German, so one might think there would be no difference when remembering. But I know that my past life self spoke with a regional dialect which I don’t speak today, and I don’t hear it in my memories, nor do I hear other dialects or accents (which are numerous and which were even more common in the past than they are today). So I assume even the memories from this past life are adapted to my current life way of talking. Interestingly, from the same past life I have memories of speaking English (not my native language now) with another person who couldn't understand me otherwise. I also remember learning Russian as another foreign language in said past life later on, then being able to speak it. I have just basic knowledge of it today, and except for a few words I heard in my memories, it was all translated again when I spoke it.

Generally, it’s not the exact words or language that matters, but the content: the information and most important the emotions that come along with it.

I have also experiences of communicating telepathically with people from my past lives, not in memories, but in dream visitations. We either communicated completely without talking, or by talking in some unknown language that I was still able to understand somehow while in dream state, or in my current life language (which these people didn’t speak in the past).

I think for our souls there is no barrier when it comes to languages and understanding each other as they communicate in different ways anyway. Therefore there should be no real language barrier when we are remembering past lives. I believe past life memories come from our soul or from the spiritual realm, not from our current brain. So it can all be translated and adapted in a way our current self will understand, though sometimes foreign words, phrases and names can also be remembered.

Even in current life I don’t remember word-by-word, nor does it even matter. I grew up bilingual. Last week, for example, I talked to someone who speaks the same two languages as I do. We switched back and forth from one language to the other while talking. And while I could tell you what they told me and everything we talked about, I mostly don’t remember anymore what was being said in which language or which exact words were used.
 
I can't remember past lives if I ask myself where was I in the Xth century. I have memories and then I try to find when the lifetime took place with details, clothes, events...
Same with me. I like to compare this to watching a random scene from a random movie and then I have to guess where and when it takes place and what it is all about.

Actually, in current life I’m so bad at remembering dates and remembering where I was when and what I did on which day, which year etc., it’s no wonder I can’t remember any dates from past lives 😂
 
But if you prefer to think and insist that you conserve the knowledge of German/Afrikaans within your PL memory - please do it. Who else cares?
To be honest, I don't really care myself either. I just thought it was curious that I have a strange accent and tried to come up with an explanation. I must also clarify that I'm not trying to brag, merely to find out why. (mostly because I've been teased for the way I talk since childhood).
The fact of remembering some names doesn't mean you remember the whole language. It may be just a part of general PL memory of places. The language is something more than remembering several names - it's the capacity to mount a meaningful communication with people, where information flows in both directions, using a certain set of words and a certain set of rules (grammar).
I agree, definitely. I remember a lot of words but then also some grammar too, I can listen to German without having to mentally translate to English, but with a few gaps where I don't know some vocabulary. It's very one way though, because I can't speak as well.

Even in current life I don’t remember word-by-word, nor does it even matter. I grew up bilingual. Last week, for example, I talked to someone who speaks the same two languages as I do. We switched back and forth from one language to the other while talking. And while I could tell you what they told me and everything we talked about, I mostly don’t remember anymore what was being said in which language or which exact words were used.
That's quite interesting. I'm bilingual too and talk to my family in two languages, but I can remember exactly what words I used and in what language. But again, tbh it doesn't really matter either way, just that the meaning gets through.
 
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That's quite interesting. I'm bilingual too and talk to my family in two languages, but I can remember exactly what words I used and in what language.
I don't. When talking to my parents I switch languages without noticing sometimes. Next day I don't remember at all anymore.
 
Yeah, in some of my further back memories, older than a few days, I start to forget what words I used. In what Tinnos called
They're in that "placeholder language" where I know what's being said, or at least the overall meaning of what's being said, but can't make out individual words. It's not English, but it's not anything recognizable either.
But one time I was able to recall a German poem I composed in a past life and what words I used Just the once, so it's more the exception than the rule.

Now that I think about it, I composed a French poem that should still be around somewhere. I can visualise the page on which I wrote it, the shapes of the words and paragraphs, and I thiiiiiiink I can remember the words but it's very hazy. But poetry is different from normal spoken language because one has to think very carefully about word choice, and it's not spontaneous, so that might be why I remember it more.
 
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