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A 'secret' execution

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An interesting dream I had about 6 weeks ago with all the characteristics of a past life memory, I was just wondering if anyone knows any information that could help me to verify this method of execution:

I saw myself as a grown man, and along with another man, we were being driven to an unknown destination by two other men. It was dark and raining very hard when we arrived at a wooden building, I'm not 100% sure that it was a wooden as I didn't pay too much attention to it.

We were taken inside the building, I wasn't nervous, but I felt slightly uneasy about the whole thing. We were met by a short, middle to old age woman, scrawny looking and she was wearing a white lab coat, obviously she was of the medical profession. She didn't greet us with a smile, she was very serious and straight to the point, but I got the impression that here was an evil woman. I was taken into a small room first, the room was very clean, white and clinical looking.

After a few moments discussion (backs turned to me) with an 'assistant', the woman rolled up my sleeve, and said something that gave me the impression that this was some kind of routine medical procedure. I remember her saying "Ah, this is the one!" referring to a vein that she had found in my arm to inject into. The needle was very thick and the injection was painful, but it was all over in a second. The woman then took her equipment in a tray and left the room. I remember that as this other person, I was unaware that anything sinister was going on, but as me, Chris, I knew that this was some kind of 'secret' execution. Then the weird part, a man approached me from behind with a medical atomizer and started puffing some kind of gas in my face. Almost instantly I felt dizzy and lost consciousness. As Chris, I knew at that point that I wasn't going to wake up ever again, but it was like I could continue watching things unfold as the other guy was being led into the room for the same procedure, and that's where the dream ended.
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The atomizer was constructed similar to this one, I couldn't find anything that resembled the exact one in my dream, but the principal is the same just to give you an idea. I've spent a lot of time researching this method of execution, all in vain, I felt that the gas was used to 'accelerate' the whole process, but in reality, I can't see any sense in that, if the injection was going to kill me anyway, but that's how I saw it. Research suggests that if this was a past life that I was remembering, then it was sometime between 1888 and 1945.

Just an afterthought, but when I was a child, I was taken to the dentist to have a tooth extracted, I was put to sleep for the procedure, but when they tried to put the gas mask on my face, I went totally berserk, the dentist was shocked at my reaction and it took both he, my mum, and the assistant nurse to hold me down..... I didn't go back to the dentist for over 30 years after that, and I can still remember the fear I felt that day as though it happened yesterday, so, possibly a connection there with the gas?
 
Hi Chris,


It is interesting to note also the psychological implications of such a dream. ;) :D Jeremy Taylor says the following:

if I dream that I am being pursued by dream characters who are out to get me, it is usually a symbolic representation of fleeing from insistent interior promptings, telling me that it is time to grow and change and let go of some cherished notion about who I am. To grow and change, life energies have to be withdrawn from the outmoded parts of my self-image, no matter how good or useful they may have been at one time. This withdrawal of life energy looks symbolically like death.
© Jeremy Taylor, 1996
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If this was a 'secret' way of execution I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't find anything about it :tongue:. What did the people look like? Do you think it took place in Europe or somewhere else?


The fact that there, perhaps, was a wooden house makes me think of Finland or Russia. Especially Russia during Stalin or something. Have you ever felt anything towards that time or place? :)
 
Thank you all for your replies :thumbsup:


It's difficult for me to answer when I have so little information to go on (and I have been pondering over your replies all day :) )


Soulfreindly, thanks for the link, I had a look at the cars, but I remember more about the interior of the car than what it looked like on the outside. Based on that information, I'd say that this one is the nearest to the car in my dream.


Sunniva, what I meant by 'secret' execution, was that it wasn't a secret way of execution, more like it felt as if I was being betrayed by my own people. It felt like I was being misled into thinking we were being taken on some kind of business trip because I trusted the men in the car and I was unaware that anything was wrong, or that I was being taken somewhere to be put to death. So Deborah, I didn't feel at any point in the dream that I was being 'pursued' or that anyone was 'out to get me'. Even when they administered the lethal injection, despite a general feeling of unease, I was still unaware that I was about to die. It was only when the guy with the gas bottle came at me that I realised something was very wrong.


I have no idea as to the location, I don't have any standout feelings towards Russia or Finland or any other European country, with the exception of Italy...maybe.


I don't quite understand your reply Deborah, are you suggesting that this was simply a symbolic dream rather than a past life memory? Can a past life memory symbolize something that is going on in my present life? I'm not saying that your suggestion is impossible, but I did see myself as someone else in the dream in a setting that is totally unfamiliar to me in my present life, which led me to believe it was a past life memory, so I wonder what leads you to that conclusion?


Chris :)
 
Hi Chris,


Might you and this other man have been involved in some secret project for the government or armed forces and when you had both outlived your usefulness, were eliminated? That might explain your feeling that you were being betrayed by your own people.


I wonder if the atomizer contained chloroform. Death by lethal injection can be painful, so rendering the victim unconscious would be merciful.


Just some thoughts. Let us know if you remember anything more.


Angelcat :)
 
Hi Angelcat :)


That was the impression that I got, that we were being executed not because we had done anything wrong (like a murder or robbery or anything like that) I felt that the purpose of it all was to 'keep us quiet', although I have no idea what we had done to deserve death. That's just an idea that resonates with me and maybe it'll come to me later on.


That's a good theory about the mercy killing and the only reason that makes any sense, so you could be right there.


Thanks for your reply, I'll certainly let you know if there are any updates :)
 
Sorry for your dark times, Chris .


I am wondering how you feel about the other fellow also killed , who was a partner of some sort ?? Good vibes / bad vibes??


I personally find if I can find something positive and supportive about the life that has left those darker feelings it can be less scarey and it helps to remember the details . :)


I am interested to find out the whole story.
 
soulfreindly said:
Sorry for your dark times, Chris
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Thanks soulfreindly, it's not a problem :) Like I said, I had this dream about 6 weeks ago and it hasn't been troubling me at all.


I don't recall feeling anything towards the other person who was with me, maybe we were just brought together on that day for the same purpose.


Thank you and everyone else who replied for your interest and suggestions, it's very much appreciated :thumbsup:
 
HI Chris,


I wasn't coming to any conclusions.

Can a past life memory symbolize something that is going on in my present life?
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A past life can mirror past life events and scenarios. I think it is important to look at the whole picture, not just the possible past life. If WWII was the era - the feeling of impending death could have been a feeling based on life choices (WWII pilot) and the actions of your country toward others. In other words, killing people was not your first choice. Situations however caused you to do your duty.


Perhaps ducking out was the way to go.
 
Thanks for explaining Deborah: q6gif:) I guess maybe I need to see a few more pieces of the puzzle before I can see the 'bigger picture', I wish I had that ability, I really do, as with all my other past life memories. Thanks for your help :)
 
Keep us posted if anything new comes up, Chris. :thumbsup:


This almost sounds like the foundation for the plot of a good movie. :cool
 
Thanks Truthseeker, I will :thumbsup:

Truthseeker said:
This almost sounds like the foundation for the plot of a good movie. :cool
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..... it probably is! : angel:laugh:
 
the feeling of impending death could have been a feeling based on life choices (WWII pilot) and the actions of your country toward others. In other words, killing people was not your first choice. Situations however caused you to do your duty.
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I'm wondering where all of that came from since Chris hasn't mentioned anything about having recalled being a WWII pilot, having killed anyone, or even of having had any "duty" in regards to this past life recollection...only of being executed himself. q6gif


That being said, Chris, your recollection does make me think of a certain time era within WWII. That being the T4 Program of the 1930/early 40s. During this program mentally ill/handicapped people, "undesireables", & "those living 'lives unworthy of life'" were executed - often in secret. Most of those deaths were done by medical professionals via lethal injections.


And, as far as the atomizer goes, Angelcat could be right about it being a means to ease the victims suffering. However, it could have just as easily been used to ease the executioners own suffering/discomfort. ;)


Sincerely,


Laurasia
 
Hiya Laurasia,

Laurasia said:
I'm wondering where all of that came from since Chris hasn't mentioned anything about having recalled being a WWII pilot, having killed anyone, or even of having had any "duty" in regards to this past life recollection...only of being executed himself.
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It came from previous discussions and comments not posted in this thread, but mentioned elsewhere. Imo, the comments regarding the pilot's life and this individual's life being intertwined and/or representative of each other are quite relevant and Deborah's response was great - kudos for connecting the two :)


Aili
 
Thanks for that information Laurasia, I'll bear that in mind :thumbsup:


I've heard of the T4 program before, but I don't want to read up on it too much in case I 'contaminate' any further recollections of this life (if indeed it was a past life memory) like I said, if it was, then it could have been any time between the turn of the twentieth century and 1945 (after that is already accounted for ;) )
 
Ailish said:
Hiya Laurasia,
It came from previous discussions and comments not posted in this thread, but mentioned elsewhere. Imo, the comments regarding the pilot's life and this individual's life being intertwined and/or representative of each other are quite relevant and Deborah's response was great - kudos for connecting the two :)


Aili
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I see, that would explain it being so terribly out of context with everything else that is written in this thread.


Have you recalled having lived a life as a WWII pilot, Chris? I have never seen you mention anything like that on the boards before, but if you have that could possibly tie in with being executed in such a manner. Perhaps you knew too much, were a member of a resistence group, etc. Then again, in such instances the Reich didn't usually opt for lethal injection as the method of execution. Lethal injection was most often used on non-Germans or the infirm, as I mentioned before.


Sincerely,


Laurasia
 
Hi Laurasia,


I don't have any memories of being a WWII pilot, or any memories of WWII for that matter, but even if this were the case, I can't see how I could have been executed for 'doing my job', as I said before, I felt that I was being punished by my own people, not the enemy. Your suggestion that maybe I was part of a resistance group, or Angelcat's suggestion that maybe I was being 'silenced' after a secret project are good, but until I can remember any more, then I can't comment any further :(
 
I don't have any memories of being a WWII pilot, or any memories of WWII for that matter...
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In that case, this recollection could be from any number of regimes at that point in time. (The Russians weren't very different after all. ;) ) I wish you luck in gaining any further recollections regarding this particular lifetime.


Sincerely,


Laurasia

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Do you remember how the needle and the syringe looked like? if you do you should draw it with as many details as you can remember. Maybe it can help tracking down where you were.


Do you remember if it had any writings? Probably not what it said but if it looked like it had many words written or was just more plain, with only the numbers. Do you also remember if after she injected you the syringe was opaque or transparent?


I found some pictures of russian syringes


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/485403666063123323/


German syringes

http://phisick.com/item/german-17th-century-silver-syringe/

I hope it helps!
 
Hi Chris.


While re-reading this thread from the beginning my mind went to the gulags of Stalinist Russia. They conducted numerous experiments on prisoners in order to test various insidious methods of murder. The unwitting victims were lured into the experiments with promises of special privileges. It is said by some historians, that Stalin's reign of terror was far worse than Hitler's.
 
Hi Owl :)


Thanks for finding those pictures, your help is very much appreciated. Unfortunately I can't remember any of the finer details in the medical equipment that was used to kill me. I know the atomizer had a bottle attached to it, so that would rule out the one in the picture that you found.


As for the syringe, it was big, and it had a thick needle. I guess it looked most like the big syringe in the Russian picture, but again, unfortunately, I don't recall any of the markings or writing on it, if there were any. Sorry I can't reveal any more than that, but I am very grateful for the time you took to try and help :thumbsup:


Chris
 
I could have been Hannah, but to be honest, I have no idea. That past life memory, if it was a past life memory that is, is the only thing I've recalled from that life, so there's very little to go on, and I haven't remembered anything since I had that dream, neither has there been any reoccurance. I haven't regressed myself for a while, maybe I should.


Thanks for your interest :)


Chris
 
What you described, Chris, probably had nothing to do with spying; because spies were either shot or hanged, and they were sometimes an asset which could be exchanged for their own agents. It smacks more of an experiment, which could have happened anywhere that there were political prisoners, who could be quietly disposed of without explanation. But, like I said before, it brings to mind the very twisted experiments of the Stalin era.
 
Hello, Chris:


while reading your dream a book came to my mind. It is a book called "KL Reich", written by a catalan author, Amat Piniella. In this book the author explains his experiences in Mathausen, a nazi concentration camp.


All he explains is real as he was there for some years, also. In fact, many catalans (and, in general, spanish people) died in Mathausen just for ideological reasons... It's a long story.


Well, in one chapter of this book Amat explains that some prisioners were executed with a benzine injection. It was very painful, it seems. This execution was made in a medical room, while the prisioner was lying in a kind of stretcher or bed.


In this book Amat Piniella also explains how the work in the camp was organized. Some of the prisioners helped the "killers", they were forced to do that. I mean, they helped the nazis in the "control" of other prisioners. For me, it makes sense that the man who put you the gas mask did it to help you, in a sense. It seems to me that he wanted to give you a faster death, an easier death. He could be a prisioner, also. This could explain why he put the mask when the woman left the room.


Does it make sense to you?


Well, I hope you understand my message...


Marieta
 
It does make sense, thank you Marieta :)


I could think of no other reason why the (poisonous?) gas would be used after a lethal injection had been given, but that does make sense. I don't feel as if I was a prisoner in a concentration camp though, I was taken there from the outside, and I felt that I was being executed, or got rid of, by my fellow countrymen.


I'll have to see if I can find an English version of that book you mentioned, I'm interested to learn about those 'idealogical' reasons you spoke of.


And thanks also for your comments Nightrain, i'm making a mental note of all these helpful suggestions :thumbsup:
 
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