A Soul "Magnet"

[hydrolad]

A lot of my fellow members of the Department, suffer from varying degrees of Stress Disorder, brought on by a certain call or just the workload.

This malady, officially known as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is now a recognizable disease in the Public Safety sector and steps are in place to treat it now.

One wonders though, if the Souls that perish, Souls that the Paramedic's just could not save, might they be resentful of not being saved and attach themselves to a particular Paramedic to haunt them.

And instead of moving on, into the warm light, these Souls choose to stay behind, in a sort of "Limbo" and try to wreck havoc on some poor Paramedic, who was only doing his/hers job, the best they could do.

All of this DOES NOT pertain to me, but rather an old friend/partner from before I retired, let's call him "Sam", Sam was always looking over his shoulder at something (or someone) but there was no one there, one afternoon I caught him talking to someone/something, his back was turned to me and he did not see me, and he was talking as if he was trying to talk someone into the light.

A chill swept up my spine as I backed out of the bunkroom, and he never knew I overheard him, but I wonder now, do you suppose Sam was psychic to some extent and lost Souls were attracted to him, and he helped them cross over into the Other World?

 

[tanguerra]

I wonder now, do you suppose Sam was psychic to some extent and lost Souls were attracted to him, and he helped them cross over into the Other World?

Well, yeah. Most likely? Did you ever ask him or any of the others about it?

 

[SeaAndSky]

I've always had the impression that the "hang-arounds" are best avoided as they either have a problem, or they want to give you problems. saywhat Plus, it seems there are even creepier things out there, including the "still twitching" remnants of discarded etheric and astal husks. a115.gif I do not know how much of what I have read is correct on these issues, but I don't discount the possibilities. Still, it seems there are people who have gifts for helping folks caught in the near-physical, though I don't feel like I have any gifts in this direction.


PS--Having fun with Smilies tonight. :thumbsup:

 

[hydrolad]

FOR tanguerra:


Nah, never did, I thought about it a time of two, it seemed like an invasive thing to do back then or maybe it was the type of person we were.


Almost all of the guys were trained by older men from the "Old School", that is, men who played their cards close to their chests, never let people see you sweat, you might know the type, a true Type "A" personalty and cardiac studies from the experts bore us out on the dangers of being a Type A.


I'm guessing more women in the field softened us up and allowed us to feel our emotions and not "Bottle" them up, at any rate, the Stress Debriefing sessions at the Stations was a good idea and the old, tattered punching bag out back of the Station finally got a well deserved rest.


Sam was older than me, I wonder if he has already passed on, if he has, I imagine there are a lot of grateful Souls over there that he helped to pass over into Spirit.


Sorry for the long post and did not mean to turn this into a blog.

 

[tanguerra]

It's not too long at all, and very interesting. I'm sure others will have thoughts or stories to add.

 

[helz_belz]

The few 'hang arounds' I've come across were more confused and upset than difficult or malicious. The two I'm thinking of were both still attached to physical objects and were unsure of what to do next; the negative emotions I experienced were just me picking up on their own negative emotions, rather than them projecting emotions maliciously. Both times I explained to them that they should go into the light, that they could rest there, they would not be judged, they would only find peace and light and love there, that there was no need to hang around on the physical planes anymore. After explaining this, the presence could practically be felt leaving and the difficult/upsetting emotions that they carried with them cleared.


I will admit I do sound a little crazy explaining that, and I probably wouldn't believe me if I hadn't experienced it myself : angel

 

[argonne1918]

I believe you.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Helz Belz/Argonne,


I have to admit that I'm a bit of a sissy when it comes to this kind of thing. All I know is I get a case of the spookies, with chills running up and down my body, etc. when I "sense" unseen presences. This may be something I could improve upon if I sensed them more clearly--and especially whether their intentions are good or ill. All I know is my alarms go off, and my fight/flight impulse kicks in--both of which (in this circumstance) mean that I withdraw my attention, ground my mind in the day-to-day, and often withdraw from the physical area. Maybe the old 3rd eye will be more fully activated at a future date, but for the moment I've been content to play it safe.


Cordially,


S&S

 

[dking777]

And instead of moving on, into the warm light, these Souls choose to stay behind, in a sort of "Limbo" and try to wreck havoc on some poor Paramedic, who was only doing his/hers job, the best they could do.

You hit the nail on the head when you refer to it as a 'choice.' I called them the 'jaywalkers' when I was in my early 20's after my own NDE. Having had many NDE's - I do know there is something of a choice in the matter. You have the 'Divine' on one hand - and you have the world on the other hand. If you choose the world over the "Divine" -- well -- you get what you ask for. My view was - they had turned their back on God.


After my NDE in 1978 - I had my 'inner eyes' opened and I was shown how they do wreck 'havoc' on unsuspecting minds here in the world.


At one point - I was asked to pass on a message by a 'disembodied spirit' of a teenager. (He was a teenager when he left anyway.) I had been introduced to this particular 'disembodied spirit' by a 'divine spirit' I was acquainted with. I said no and refused to get involved and I was given lessons on how in this particular instance - the 'disembodied spirit' had been back to the light and was only being sent back by the 'Creator' for the sake of his grieving Mother's prayers. His spirit wasn't to be considered a 'jaywalker' or of one being in violation. His spirit had divine permission to be back among worldly minds.


The jaywalkers where the one's who hadn't returned to the light and had stayed on in the world. Communicating with human beings was a minor infraction of spiritual law. It wasn't looked upon as a major offense - but it was considered 'criminal activity' on the spiritual side.


I was approached by many 'jaywalkers' during the early 80's and the whole thing about feeling sorry for them being lost is a sham or a con. (In my opinion.) They had a choice and I wasn't supposed to feel sorry for them - no matter how pathetic they made themselves out to be. It was deception. They knew what they were doing in an effort to try and establish a connection to wreck their havoc.


Just because your standing at a crosswalk and someone walks out against the light -- don't mean it is okay for you to follow suit.


If the 'jaywalkers' tried to cry, moan or groan and asking me for help -- I would just reply in a stern voice, "Go home and leave me alone."


If they needed help getting home - all they have to do is ask God for directions home --- and not mankind. I was told (by divine spirits) that I was to bear witness to it - and say a prayer and give it to the Divine and walk away from them.


Just my opinion and point of view on it - based on my experiences with it.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

Speaking of a spirit communication with a Paramedic....I had a 'silent conversation' with a paramedic during my 1988 NDE. I was in Hawaii at the time. I had three 'divine spirits' present with me when I did speak to the paramedic - in an effort to get him to supply my 'corpse' with oxygen - so - I could get back into my body. The paramedic and I had several conversations after I woke up in the hospital about - how he had heard every word I had uttered to him while I was a spirit outside my body. He was shocked by the experience - and I kept telling him, "I am not a jaywalker. I wasn't jaywalking." That was my metaphor and I was cautious when it came to speaking directly about metaphysical matters.


I thought he would get the jest of it - because when I moved to Hawaii - everyone told me that 'jaywalking' was treated as a serious offense. I was considered a 'haloe' and the other 'haloe's' warned me that it wasn't like it was back home in the mainland. I was told jaywalking in Hawaii could get you into serious hot water. (In reference to Honolulu and Waikiki and the congestion of a large number of pedestrians on the streets.)


Shortly after my NDE - I was living with two of the witnesses to my NDE. We were walking home and had to cross a busy intersection in front of our apartment. One of the two - stepped out into the lane and was going to cross the street against the light. I held the arm of the other one and shook my head. The other one was in the middle of the intersection and turned back to face us -- and mocking us in an effort to get us to cross the intersection. I just bowed my head and started saying a prayer.


My thoughts and experiences had just been on 'crossing the other side' and I felt that maybe this was a time to say a prayer for him - in case he was heading for that sort of thing on the other side of 'illegal communication' with humankind as a spirit.


I can still see his face when 'blue lights' started flashing. It was coming from behind us - and his eyes grew as big as half dollars and he took off running. He was just making it worse for himself. We all had been told they took that sort of infraction seriously and he wasn't going to be able to talk himself out of that ticket. Now, he was running. Like a fool - he ran to our upstairs apartment. The cops cornered us - and had seen us interacting together. We had to lead them upstairs to where we lived and they all drew their firearms when they entered the apartment. Them fellows was taking that violation seriously. My other friend called out for him to come out of hiding. He had been hiding underneath a bed in the bedroom. Of course, now, - my young friend had all sorts of charges racked up against him. The police started lecturing him about the dangers and perils of jaywalking. Everyone had been right. The police in Hawaii took that sort of violation seriously.


After my friend got out of jail - I apologized to him. I felt responsible. I told him I had bowed my head and said a prayer for him and asked God to teach him a lesson about that sort of thing now - rather than on the other side. I wasn't expecting God to send a squad of police officers with their guns drawn like they had just cornered Ted Bundy. My two friends knew the story of how I had 'supposedly' spoken to the paramedic as a 'ghost' outside of my body. My young friend was confused about my metaphoric reference and why I had called God into the situation. I leaned toward him and whispered,


"Just remember, when I spoke with that paramedic - the light was green. Might not make sense now, but if you cross over to the other side like I did - it will come back to you and it will make sense then."


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

My thoughts and experiences had just been on 'crossing the other side' and I felt that maybe this was a time to say a prayer for him - in case he was heading for that sort of thing on the other side of 'illegal communication' with humankind as a spirit.

Strange how the memories flood back into my mind as I write this story. There were 10 direct eyewitnesses to my 1988 NDE and countless others who had heard about it afterwards. According to the testimony of those 10 who had been present - I had been a 'corpse' for 45 minutes before coughing back to life. So, that made a dramatic impression on those who had been there.


I spoke to each of the 10 privately and individually about what I had experienced on the other side. I tried to tailor the conversation of the metaphor to each minds belief system. This one particular individual was sort of short and had been bullied growing up due to it - and held on to some resentments. When he came to a belief there was a possible afterlife - and a 'ghostly presence' on the other-side - his mind turned to his resentments and revenge. That is why I had a concern for him and that he had the 'wrong idea' about the afterlife.


After my 1988 NDE - I was very aware that all I could do was communicate in metaphors - and sometimes - I could 'miss the mark' with an individual and instead of leading their mind to enlightenment - their minds (ideas) could led them to a darkness. Out of all the witnesses - he had been the 'least religious' of the bunch - so there wasn't much of a foundation for me to work with when it came to constructing metaphors he could embrace with a 'religious or spiritual sense.' His mind was grounded in a physical reality and presented a challenge to me.


I had been praying the whole time for God to help lead me to a positive experience with all the guys - and him more so than the rest because he was such a rebel in his thoughts.


So - in our conversations together prior to this incident - he gave me every indication that he couldn't wait to become a ghost so he could haunt, torment and get even with his enemies from the past.


Hopefully, him hiding under that bed - shaking like a leaf on a tree - helped change his mind about that.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[helz_belz]

Helz Belz/Argonne,
I have to admit that I'm a bit of a sissy when it comes to this kind of thing. All I know is I get a case of the spookies, with chills running up and down my body, etc. when I "sense" unseen presences. This may be something I could improve upon if I sensed them more clearly--and especially whether their intentions are good or ill. All I know is my alarms go off, and my fight/flight impulse kicks in--both of which (in this circumstance) mean that I withdraw my attention, ground my mind in the day-to-day, and often withdraw from the physical area. Maybe the old 3rd eye will be more fully activated at a future date, but for the moment I've been content to play it safe.


Cordially,


S&S

Don't get me wrong, I was pretty scared, especially the first time as that was also the stronger and more difficult of the two experiences. Thankfully I'd read somewhere on this Forum an outline of what to do, of keeping calm, projecting a protective white light around myself (I also imagined a protective Tulpa or 'Thoughtform' as well) and just explaining to them that it was ok to go into the light. The ones I encountered got stuck because they were confused and afraid (as was I at the time ); for their sake I felt I had to keep my cool; my own fear would ave possibly just made the situation worse.


Am not sure if being able to sense these things as anything to do with the 'third eye' or not, although my experiences occurred soon after I started meditating on my own 'third eye'. I do feel though that, by being aware of their presence, it can only be a good thing to try and help them if they are confused or stuck; if a helpful word and a point in the right direction is all it takes for them to understand and finally move on then all is good.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Helz,


How do you know they were stuck because they were confused and afraid? This statement seems to assume the question. I am perfectly willing to concede that some are afraid or confused and some are even somewhat stunned (by reports I hear from some, especially astral travelers and the like); but how can you tell the genuine article from the malicious (also reported by astral travelers and the like)? You may just be more sensitive in these matters than I am, which is OK, but this seems to be the problem to me and for people like me.


Likewise, did they leave because of your good advice to move on to the light, or did they just realize you were an unproductive and well protected individual who would not be a suitable object for their attentions/designs?


I will concede this: either way your strategy worked. If they were merely afraid and confused they got what they needed and left, and if they weren't they got what they didn't want and left. So, it seems to be a good strategy on the whole, but I don't know if it is possible to know which one of these was the reason.


Cordially,


S&S

 

[SeaAndSky]

Dking,


Thanks for all of the interesting info and stories! I don't have the personal experience you have in these matters, but my instincts seem to align (for the most part) with what you have said.


Cordially,


S&S

 

[helz_belz]

Helz,
How do you know they were stuck because they were confused and afraid? This statement seems to assume the question. I am perfectly willing to concede that some are afraid or confused and some are even somewhat stunned (by reports I hear from some, especially astral travelers and the like); but how can you tell the genuine article from the malicious (also reported by astral travelers and the like)? You may just be more sensitive in these matters than I am, which is OK, but this seems to be the problem to me and for people like me.


Likewise, did they leave because of your good advice to move on to the light, or did they just realize you were an unproductive and well protected individual who would not be a suitable object for their attentions/designs?


I will concede this: either way your strategy worked. If they were merely afraid and confused they got what they needed and left, and if they weren't they got what they didn't want and left. So, it seems to be a good strategy on the whole, but I don't know if it is possible to know which one of these was the reason.


Cordially,


S&S

I guess I cant really be 100% sure S&S, but that was my intuition of the situation and my interpretation of the emotions I was picking up. Thankfully I havent knowingly come across one of the malicious ones, and you may be right, and that these were actually malicious but left when they found me an unproductive subject, but I can only go with my gut instinct which tells me otherwise.


From the research I have done though, malicious entities often seem to manifest in an obvious fashion in the physical (eg, a lot of disruption, banging doors, obvious distress etc) whilst in the astral they seem to be drawn, magnet-like, to those whose emotional state reflects their own. (However, my own experience of the astral is very limited and is based on what others have written and experienced). In the physical too, they are often drawn towards highly emotional subjects, especially teenagers. None of these things especially applied to me at the time, I was emotionally stable, meditated very regularly and definitely no longer a teenager!


Im sure I remember reading in Alberto Villoldos Shaman, Healer, Sage of a case where a non-malicious entity did indeed cause severe emotional distress to a living person, a situation in which he had to perform a shamanic extraction in order to release the entity and bring healing to the person and the entity; however, not having a trained shaman in my local area, that was one of the reasons why I was so careful to have good levels of protection around me during my encounters! Even seemingly innocent entities can still cause trouble!


Of course, maybe I am just nave in thinking the entities I encountered were simply confused (I can PM you the details of the encounters if you like?), when in fact they might have been malicious; either way, the process I used worked, they went away and I am quite happy with that.