Ancient Egypt/The Sun... Please Help!

[Angie Brown]

Hi Angie.. No there is nothing for me/BB to resolve or let go off.. That may sound strange/ arrogant but its a fact .. I read all of the posts about being on journey of learning and compassion..That's not how it is for BB/me... that's one of the reasons I/BB have nothing to resolve or let go off.. BB is on a mission...he has no regrets about anything he has done.. both good and bad.. just as he will not in future incarnations either... It's hard for me to understand many things people talk about previous incarnations of there spiritual selves..Mine are not so complicated and/or emotional

It doesn't come across as arrogant, John. It's just how it is for you/BB and undoubtedly plenty others, whilst some of us know/remember being told what we have to learn. For me, it's to be able to let go. E.G. Of children I leave behind. Also - and I don't at all like this - to do as I am told. I think that is referring to refusing to go where I was 'meant' to go and after having to return due to that, refusing to go to the prospective parents chosen for me and choosing my own mother - which turned out to be disastrous not only for myself, but for her, my father and at least two siblings and has repercussed through knock on effects upon my own children. Wrong parents, due to my independant over-willfulness. I only once very briefly met my soul mate, Stanley, who I would have been with happily if I had gone where I was supposed to have. So it must have repercussed upon his current life also (he knew who I was), and all I have been able to do since has been to pray for his happiness and wellbeing and that his family in his life now are also well and happy. I was pig headed, thinking I knew best.

Stating you have nothing to learn is fine. Truth doesn't have an agenda. It just is. There's nothing 'wrong' with your truth of 'just being'

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Angie (and also John),

I think the things John has just said need to be put together with the things that he has said in the past--and I have been reading John's posts for years now. Over that time, I have been trying to figure out what was going on with him/BB and his source. You may recall some of his recent posts where John was noting that he has been told by BB and his source that they are, so to speak, the "good guys" vs. those (I suppose) who enforce the ordered process the rest of us are involved in. He has also been given very special instructions on "how" to go through the death process so that BB manifests in the physical next time how/where he would like to in order to accomplish what is projected by his group in terms of the restoration of Ancient Egypt. It appears that BB and the others of his group have a way of over-riding and working outside of the reincarnation process that the rest of us are going through (and avoiding the dictates and suggestions of those that manage it at a higher level). However, since they are not involved in the process, it seems that they are not involved in the type of "growth" and change that the process creates and is designed to guaranty. Hence, BB went through numerous lives with full memory--always as BB--and apparently without the type of growth and change that characterizes the multi-life process for the rest of us.

After this period of "mirror" lives, BB apparently became alienated because of what he saw as the degeneration of the worship of the true gods and left the process for living mirror lives behind. So, after possibly 1000s of years of mirror lives the entity referred to as BB has been going through lifetimes of another sort. Have they been governed by the type of process and guidance that the rest of us seem to be subject to, or merely random? I have no idea. But it does seem that at the core of John's soul/spirit, the very strong essence of BB, developed through and firmly established over many, many mirror lives, remains as solid as it was 1000s of years ago. Has it not been impacted by the many lifetimes since then? Apparently only minimally if at all.

That is enough for now, but there are many other questions and mysteries about what is going on, and what the aim and result of all of this will be. It is all very strange (at least to me), and all of my current understandings are merely tentative.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--There have been some comments on the "don't go to the light" folks recently and the whole Gnostic philosophy and idea of escaping the rebirth process (which is considered to be a trap) in order to ascend to a higher more ethereal realm. This is definitely NOT what John/BB are all about. John has long been adamant about the fact that the physical is where it is at and what the process he has been involved in is directed towards. So, from that you can see that it is not oriented in the same direction as the normative rebirth process, which seems to be ultimately aimed at transcendence. Anyhow, just another one of those areas that raises a lot of questions, but with few ready answers.

 

[Angie Brown]

Hi Angie (and also John),

I think the things John has just said need to be put together with the things that he has said in the past--and I have been reading John's posts for years now. Over that time, I have been trying to figure out what was going on with him/BB and his source. You may recall some of his recent posts where John was noting that he has been told by BB and his source that they are, so to speak, the "good guys" vs. those (I suppose) who enforce the ordered process the rest of us are involved in. He has also been given very special instructions on "how" to go through the death process so that BB manifests in the physical next time how/where he would like to in order to accomplish what is projected by his group in terms of the restoration of Ancient Egypt. It appears that BB and the others of his group have a way of over-riding and working outside of the reincarnation process that the rest of us are going through (and avoiding the dictates and suggestions of those that manage it at a higher level). However, since they are not involved in the process, it seems that they are not involved in the type of "growth" and change that the process creates and is designed to guaranty. Hence, BB went through numerous lives with full memory--always as BB--and apparently without the type of growth and change that characterizes the multi-life process for the rest of us.

After this period of "mirror" lives, BB apparently became alienated because of what he saw as the degeneration of the worship of the true gods and left the process for living mirror lives behind. So, after possibly 1000s of years of mirror lives the entity referred to as BB has been going through lifetimes of another sort. Have they been governed by the type of process and guidance that the rest of us seem to be subject to, or merely random? I have no idea. But it does seem that at the core of John's soul/spirit, the very strong essence of BB, developed through and firmly established over many, many mirror lives, remains as solid as it was 1000s of years ago. Has it not been impacted by the many lifetimes since then? Apparently only minimally if at all.

That is enough for now, but there are many other questions and mysteries about what is going on, and what the aim and result of all of this will be. It is all very strange (at least to me), and all of my current understandings are merely tentative.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--There have been some comments on the "don't go to the light" folks recently and the whole Gnostic philosophy and idea of escaping the rebirth process (which is considered to be a trap) in order to ascend to a higher more ethereal realm. This is definitely NOT what John/BB are all about. John has long been adamant about the fact that the physical is where it is at and what the process he has been involved in is directed towards. So, from that you can see that it is not oriented in the same direction as the normative rebirth process, which seems to be ultimately aimed at transcendence. Anyhow, just another one of those areas that raises a lot of questions, but with few ready answers.

Thank you, S&S. Only being here a few months there are still a lot of threads I haven't read much yet, for such background. So a genuine thank you for filling me in.
A lot there to think about.
Personally, I am doubtful that the light is a trap. The light feels good and right to me

 

[briski]

Thank you, S&S. Only being here a few months there are still a lot of threads I haven't read much yet, for such background. So a genuine thank you for filling me in.
A lot there to think about.
Personally, I am doubtful that the light is a trap. The light feels good and right to me

Its only a trap if you dont want to be reincarnated and just be a spirit.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Angie/Briski,

In the instructions John has been given the "light" is instrumental and very much a part of the process. However, it is merely something that is used to accomplish what his group wishes to accomplish. So, it doesn't seem to be as simple as that. Whatever usually happens upon "going" to the light is apparently not what necessarily happens. Seemingly it can be reprogrammed or utilized in different ways.

Hmm. A certain symmetry involving opposites seems inherent in the universe. From that standpoint, my tentative conclusions are that the main current--the center or middle path--is aimed at soul/spirit evolution through repeated incarnations in the physical until the entity grows to a point of transcending this process.

To one side of this, at least in terms of earthly philosophy, the Gnostics seek to short-circuit the process by avoiding further physical reincarnations, staying non-physical, and ascending to the highest heights via some form of hidden gnosis (knowledge). Whether they actually accomplish this I don't know, but I doubt it.

On the opposite side, it seems that the group that John/BB are part of specialize in short-circuiting the process by reincarnating as "themselves" in the physical, with a technology/esoteric knowledge and system that allows them to retain their memories and govern/dictate their serial reincarnation as "themselves" in the physical. From what John has said, they do succeed in this, and it is part of the ancient hidden knowledge and practice of (what I will refer to as) the adepts of ancient Egypt.

The Gnostic path seems to avoid the developmental process in one way--by simply dropping out of "school". The other side of the coin seems to avoid the process of growth in the other direction, by continuing as the same "person" in each reincarnation. (On this, you will note that BB apparently remains the same as he always has been). That is as much as I think I may have figured out, and much of it is pretty speculative. It seems that the latter might be possible. But I don't see how this would make them the "good guys". Non-conformists in rebellion against the "system" is pretty easy to understand. Outside of that . . . .

Cordially,
S&S

 

[briski]

Hi Angie/Briski,

In the instructions John has been given the "light" is instrumental and very much a part of the process. However, it is merely something that is used to accomplish what his group wishes to accomplish. So, it doesn't seem to be as simple as that. Whatever usually happens upon "going" to the light is apparently not what necessarily happens. Seemingly it can be reprogrammed or utilized in different ways.

Hmm. A certain symmetry involving opposites seems inherent in the universe. From that standpoint, my tentative conclusions are that the main current--the center or middle path--is aimed at soul/spirit evolution through repeated incarnations in the physical until the entity grows to a point of transcending this process.

To one side of this, at least in terms of earthly philosophy, the Gnostics seek to short-circuit the process by avoiding further physical reincarnations, staying non-physical, and ascending to the highest heights via some form of hidden gnosis (knowledge). Whether they actually accomplish this I don't know, but I doubt it.

On the opposite side, it seems that the group that John/BB are part of specialize in short-circuiting the process by reincarnating as "themselves" in the physical, with a technology/esoteric knowledge and system that allows them to retain their memories and govern/dictate their serial reincarnation as "themselves" in the physical. From what John has said, they do succeed in this, and it is part of the ancient hidden knowledge and practice of (what I will refer to as) the adepts of ancient Egypt.

The Gnostic path seems to avoid the developmental process in one way--by simply dropping out of "school". The other side of the coin seems to avoid the process of growth in the other direction, by continuing as the same "person" in each reincarnation. (On this, you will note that BB apparently remains the same as he always has been). That is as much as I think I may have figured out, and much of it is pretty speculative. It seems that the latter might be possible. But I don't see how this would make them the "good guys". Non-conformists in rebellion against the "system" is pretty easy to understand. Outside of that . . . .

Cordially,
S&S

Thanks for that S&S I wonder what we use then outside those groups. If the drs cant fix me I maybe finding out. I have a well freaky issue with damage somewhere in my neck causing some crazy problems. Im still having tests but imo its not looking great. My spirit self is called JJ, although not as talkative as John/BB.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Briski,

I'm sorry to hear about your problem. I hope all works out OK. I have something I am worried about of a somewhat similar nature, but I am no longer young, which makes it different (I think). In any case, I don't know what to use outside of the groups (or paths) named. I don't really think the gnostics accomplish what they seek, even the Cathar variety (with which I am very sympathetic). Likewise, I'm not looking for serial lifetimes as myself--I'm not that in love with myself as I am. What I actually want is the kind of transformation that will make me worthy of life both in heaven and on earth. The middle path is based on developing this. However, it seems very slow for most.

OTOH, I do believe that you can expedite the normal process. Some merely drift along with the current = slow and gradual. However, some actually swim along with the current to make their progress faster. That is what ethical living, religion and spiritual practices are all about IMO. And, in that regard, there may be ways of progressing even faster than our own efforts and the current can take us. This is the hope that I pursue.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[briski]

Hi Briski,

I'm sorry to hear about your problem. I hope all works out OK. I have something I am worried about of a somewhat similar nature, but I am no longer young, which makes it different (I think). In any case, I don't know what to use outside of the groups (or paths) named. I don't really think the gnostics accomplish what they seek, even the Cathar variety (with which I am very sympathetic). Likewise, I'm not looking for serial lifetimes as myself--I'm not that in love with myself as I am. What I actually want is the kind of transformation that will make me worthy of life both in heaven and on earth. The middle path is based on developing this. However, it seems very slow for most.

OTOH, I do believe that you can expedite the normal process. Some merely drift along with the current = slow and gradual. However, some actually swim along with the current to make their progress faster. That is what ethical living, religion and spiritual practices are all about IMO. And, in that regard, there may be ways of progressing even faster than our own efforts and the current can take us. This is the hope that I pursue.

Cordially,
S&S

Hopefully the doctors can do something for me Sorry to hear your not in a good way yourself.
Myself personally as im in my 40's i would want to contain what i am if JJ can do that so another variant of me. Kind of like you explained John/BB. How thats done unsure..or even if I get a choice

 

[Angie Brown]

Its only a trap if you dont want to be reincarnated and just be a spirit.

Thank You, Briski. Ah, I don't want to come back again. Didn't want to this time. Maybe because I refused to go in an area where all spirits were individual yet merged - the best representation of it is the 'flower of life' pattern. I was told my two sons (from my previous life) were in there, but when I asked if we would recognise each other I was told 'No' and everyone who went in there forgets. So, I refused and stayed in a 'grey' area until I was told I have to come back and be in body again
It didn't look like the light I receive when in the 'Holy Spirit' though. Not as pure and bright, clean and re-assuring. I have learned a lot since becoming a 'born again Christian' in my teens and twenties, and have had some paradigm shifts since, but am still convinced of a beautiful, good, loving, Holy Spirit who our spirits originally came from.

I will have to read more about other peoples experiences of 'the light' they encountered. Maybe there is more than one 'light'.

Best wishes,

Angie

 

[John Tat]

The only knowledge about the light I feel comfortable sharing is... It is an intersection of countless paths we our spiritual selves can go down.. the trouble is none of you... your spiritual selves have any say in which path you take.. it is selected for you.. You have been controlled by the process since your time began

 

[Angie Brown]

Hi Angie/Briski,

In the instructions John has been given the "light" is instrumental and very much a part of the process. However, it is merely something that is used to accomplish what his group wishes to accomplish. So, it doesn't seem to be as simple as that. Whatever usually happens upon "going" to the light is apparently not what necessarily happens. Seemingly it can be reprogrammed or utilized in different ways.

Hmm. A certain symmetry involving opposites seems inherent in the universe. From that standpoint, my tentative conclusions are that the main current--the center or middle path--is aimed at soul/spirit evolution through repeated incarnations in the physical until the entity grows to a point of transcending this process.

To one side of this, at least in terms of earthly philosophy, the Gnostics seek to short-circuit the process by avoiding further physical reincarnations, staying non-physical, and ascending to the highest heights via some form of hidden gnosis (knowledge). Whether they actually accomplish this I don't know, but I doubt it.

On the opposite side, it seems that the group that John/BB are part of specialize in short-circuiting the process by reincarnating as "themselves" in the physical, with a technology/esoteric knowledge and system that allows them to retain their memories and govern/dictate their serial reincarnation as "themselves" in the physical. From what John has said, they do succeed in this, and it is part of the ancient hidden knowledge and practice of (what I will refer to as) the adepts of ancient Egypt.

The Gnostic path seems to avoid the developmental process in one way--by simply dropping out of "school". The other side of the coin seems to avoid the process of growth in the other direction, by continuing as the same "person" in each reincarnation. (On this, you will note that BB apparently remains the same as he always has been). That is as much as I think I may have figured out, and much of it is pretty speculative. It seems that the latter might be possible. But I don't see how this would make them the "good guys". Non-conformists in rebellion against the "system" is pretty easy to understand. Outside of that . . . .

Cordially,
S&S

Thank you again, S&S. You and others here seem to understand a lot more than I, and all this is new to me so there is a lot to think on and to get my head around. Thus far, I remember bits and pieces of pl's and am sure that is due to having refused to join other spirits in what I think of as 'the great altogether'. Tbh, the impression I had of that place was that it was a 'processing and holding' area for re-incarnation but without memories. It was a 'memory wipe' centre, and I didn't like the look of it. I doubt we can learn anything and not repeat mistakes if our memories are wiped, so I shall refuse to go in there next time, too. That I am certain of.

Best wishes,

Angie

 

[Angie Brown]

The only knowledge about the light I feel comfortable sharing is... It is an intersection of countless paths we our spiritual selves can go down.. the trouble is none of you... your spiritual selves have any say in which path you take.. it is selected for you.. You have been controlled by the process since your time began

Thank you, John. That makes sense to me at least. I am sure i've been a rebel for refusing to accept the decisions relayed to me by spirit messengers/managers/guides whatever they are, in my last inbetween state.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Angie,

I am not sure that I "understand" more. I identify with the "geographer" in "The Little Prince". He has no personal knowledge of anything. He merely takes reports from the real explorers and uses them to fill in the blank spaces on his map. I'm not quite that, but close enough. I listen and try to figure out how to fit things together. Many others have a depth of personal memories and/or experiences that they can draw on that I totally lack. John, Tanguerra, Past Pilot (when he was here), . . . the list could go on. I merely listen to what they have to say, add in my own small store of knowledge, and try to fit it all together. Sometimes I succeed. Other times . . .

Cordially,
S&S

PS--The Geographer!

 

[Ophelia3]

I am not sure what you mean by 'construsive', and haven't been able to find a definition online.

I have read that there was some problems when sun worship only was brought in. Could it be due to that? An ambiguity maybe to do with torn loyalties? Or fear of physical, material, familial or spiritual punishment? Just a thought.

Oh yes, it would appear I made the word up! It's suppose to be construed. I don't want to construe anything that's not necessarily true.

Quite possibly and that's what I'm beginning to think or have thought for a while, especially when in the past I've opened up about this and I've suffered immediately afterwards with anxiety, guilt and nausea. I'm thinking spiritual punishment is probably at play.

Why would something present itself as if it wants to be approached and addressed and then punish you for doing just that? It's nonsensical to me! This is what I've endured for years!

 

[briski]

Thank You, Briski. Ah, I don't want to come back again. Didn't want to this time. Maybe because I refused to go in an area where all spirits were individual yet merged - the best representation of it is the 'flower of life' pattern. I was told my two sons (from my previous life) were in there, but when I asked if we would recognise each other I was told 'No' and everyone who went in there forgets. So, I refused and stayed in a 'grey' area until I was told I have to come back and be in body again
It didn't look like the light I receive when in the 'Holy Spirit' though. Not as pure and bright, clean and re-assuring. I have learned a lot since becoming a 'born again Christian' in my teens and twenties, and have had some paradigm shifts since, but am still convinced of a beautiful, good, loving, Holy Spirit who our spirits originally came from.

I will have to read more about other peoples experiences of 'the light' they encountered. Maybe there is more than one 'light'.

Best wishes,

Angie

I dont have any memories like this unfortunately at all. I wish I did.

 

[Angie Brown]

Hi Angie,

I am not sure that I "understand" more. I identify with the "geographer" in "The Little Prince". He has no personal knowledge of anything. He merely takes reports from the real explorers and uses them to fill in the blank spaces on his map. I'm not quite that, but close enough. I listen and try to figure out how to fit things together. Many others have a depth of personal memories and/or experiences that they can draw on that I totally lack. John, Tanguerra, Past Pilot (when he was here), . . . the list could go on. I merely listen to what they have to say, add in my own small store of knowledge, and try to fit it all together. Sometimes I succeed. Other times . . .

Cordially,
S&S

PS--The Geographer!

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You seem much like me, trying to fill in the blanks where I lack personal knowledge. With me, it's trying to be prepared and to have an idea what to expect - and to avoid, when I cross over this time. Not sure i'm any the wiser than I was yet though. Perhaps what I learn will 'fall into place' when I am closer to my end.

Best wishes,

Angie

 

[Angie Brown]

Oh yes, it would appear I made the word up! It's suppose to be construed. I don't want to construe anything that's not necessarily true.

Quite possibly and that's what I'm beginning to think or have thought for a while, especially when in the past I've opened up about this and I've suffered immediately afterwards with anxiety, guilt and nausea. I'm thinking spiritual punishment is probably at play.

Why would something present itself as if it wants to be approached and addressed and then punish you for doing just that? It's nonsensical to me! This is what I've endured for years!

I often 'make up' words too by misspelling. Thankfully, this phone has spellcheck but being based upon much American English that also can be different. The AI tries but like us sometimes gets it wrong. Lol.

Best wishes,

Angie

 

[Angie Brown]

I dont have any memories like this unfortunately at all. I wish I did.

Maybe you don't need to have memories of being in-between. Perhaps you did things right.

Best wishes,

Angela

 

[briski]

Maybe you don't need to have memories of being in-between. Perhaps you did things right.

Best wishes,

Angela

JJ/myself has learnt a lot spiritually this lifetime, maybe more than others, I suspect next time things maybe different. The Gnostic idea seems to fit well with where I'm currently thinking spiritually. I dont think thats ever happened previously which in itself is interesting.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Briski,

I am also drawn to certain Gnostic ideas (though repelled by others). Mostly, I am attracted to the idea of transcending/ascending, which is at the heart of most religion (in one form or another). The Cathars, particularly in their more moderate (less Gnostic) form are of particular interest to me. To finally be free from "The Wheel", ascend into a heavenly existence of infinite light and love, and be restored to oneness with the divine (as the Cathars aspired to do) seems like a wonderful goal!

Cordially,
S&S

 

[Angie Brown]

Hi Briski,

I am also drawn to certain Gnostic ideas (though repelled by others). Mostly, I am attracted to the idea of transcending/ascending, which is at the heart of most religion (in one form or another). The Cathars, particularly in their more moderate (less Gnostic) form are of particular interest to me. To finally be free from "The Wheel", ascend into a heavenly existence of infinite light and love, and be restored to oneness with the divine (as the Cathars aspired to do) seems like a wonderful goal!

Cordially,
S&S

Yes, I believe so too

Best wishes,

Angie

 

[John Tat]

Hi Angie.. When Ophelia 3 questioned you about your comments on scientists and you gave examples of those areas of science that has been proven scientists knowing did make false statements.. what I think she was trying to say.. and I agree.. your comments were off subject to what was being discussed..We were talking about the credibility of the scientists who have conducted carbon dating on the pyramids and there credibility... which as far as I know has never been questioned

 

[Sea Change]

Why would something present itself as if it wants to be approached and addressed and then punish you for doing just that? It's nonsensical to me! This is what I've endured for years!

Ask yourself. You create the physical reality that you prefer. The fact that you 'think' you are being punished ias a POV that you have chosen for your experience. If you don't like that experience, change it.

ITMT, you could, while the change is being made (at any rate you desire), you could take the opportunity to check-in w/ your conscious, subconscious and unconscious negative beliefs and examine what beliefs you hold that drive the thoughts and emotions that you have.

Fun time!