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Carnivore diet and stone age stuff

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Hi folks. I started with something called "the carnivore diet" today. Since this is the non-serious or free part of the forum, I thought I would post it here. Been eating ketogenic diets before, and they have worked when I kept it very simple. I am now basically going to eat mostly red meat, but also eggs, fish, poultry, butter and cheese, plus salt and water. I.e. extremely simple food. This is it, basically:


Been lifting weights for 4 years without pause, so my muscle mass is pretty good at a pessimistic estimation of 85 kg Lean Mass. Hence my weight is also on the high side, but at 111 kg (244 lbs) total weight, it is not 'all muscle', even if I look strong rather than fat. If I get down to 95 kg total, it would approach a bodybuilder's offseason look. This is an attempt both to improve digestive health as well as getting rid of the bit of a powerlifter belly i have gotten from "bulking" for a long time and mostly eating whatever I wanted. I.e. getting unbloated and de facto leaner. I am also attempting it to get a hold on a couple of minor inflammations that bother me little a bit. I suspect I might lose muscle volume due to glucose being gone from the system (muscles utilize glucose for energy, normally, but not while the body is in ketosis, i.e. running on fat/ketones), so an ideal weight later on down the line may well fall closer to 85 or even 80. Anyway, I also do it because I love food and cooking too much. Reducing food to the very basics will have to improve character or fail, which is not an option.

Are there any of you who are trying this also? Or thinking about it?
It is getting to be a bit of a fad, apparently. Me and my best friend are going to try this together, in order to stay motivated. First a one month trial until New Year's Eve, then evaluate and decide course for the coming year. Only meat, fish and cheese for Yule, which most call Christmas.
 
briski said:
Its kinder like the atkins diet then meat / eggs and dairy if i remember rightly
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In many ways, yes. But Atkins has stages and is only very restrictive at first, if I remember it right. Or if it was at the last stage, perhaps. This is very restricted all the time. Literally 'eat meat and drink water'. No plant food whatsoever, only animal meat, eggs and cheese. Very interesting. I am going to have a bad week during acklimatization, but I expect it to work just fine. I will get vitamin C from chicken and beef liver, and intake is more efficient when it does not compete with carbs for uptake. Human beings apparently do well on just meat. I am a little skeptic, still, but hence the trial run. If at any point, there would be health issues, I will abort mission and ease off into a more conventional Low Carb diet which includes vegetables.
 
As I am a vegetarian, this diet is not for me. Could be something for my husband, though. I will have to have a closer look to see what kinds of foods are "allowed" and what you should avoid. Would be great if we could find a way how my husband can loose some pounds while still eating stuff he loves to eat (like meat, dairy products...).
Thanks a lot for sharing!
 
SeekerOfKnowledge said:
As I am a vegetarian, this diet is not for me. Could be something for my husband, though. I will have to have a closer look to see what kinds of foods are "allowed" and what you should avoid. Would be great if we could find a way how my husband can loose some pounds while still eating stuff he loves to eat (like meat, dairy products...).
Thanks a lot for sharing!
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Well, then this is pretty much good. I am also a bonafide meat lover. I have eaten vegetarian and pescetarian for long periofs of time, and been a vegan for three months to evaluate. Pescetarian works, I guess. But not for weight loss purposes or healing the digestive tract, much. Veganism was hell for me. I became increasingly docile and weak-willed. Being a fairly forceful person normally, it was really strange to almost become as if I was slightly high on cannabis sativa all the time. It annoyed the crap out of my wife, who told me to stop it and eat normally again. I lost muscle mass and was bloated like a blowfish from all the beans and lentils, despite soaking. Not every day, but most. Did the whole raw food thing, at the end there.

Meat has the opposite effect, it seems. It is not my first time doing a dietary experiment and I like to keep a close check on how things work. When I did a very restrictive ketogenic diet that almost approaches this, I noticed what I consider to be positive behavioral changes, apart from no bloating whatsoever, generally even sense of well-being, reduced hunger and a big initial weight loss (the weight loss evened out at my ideal weight when I reached it after three months out of the six I did in total). The behavioral change was that I worried less, was less nervous, more self-assured, direct and in charge. Clear-headed. Not subject to any mood swings whatsoever. Externally, it seldom shows, but I worry about things constantly otherwise and devise/implement plans to keep things good. I have a hard time letting go and going to sleep when I should. That is something I look forward to. Being able to just let go of things, going early to bed and sleeping in a couple of minutes. It translates to rising earlier and getting more done.

If only burgers, pancakes, pizzas, wienerschnitzel, pastas and deep fried stuff were not my favorite foods... :confused:

Tell your husband to look into it. Either carnivore diet or a very restrictive ketogenic diet. It's basically alike, but differs in use of plant oils, low carb fruits and vegetables like cabbage and avocados etc. The keto uses it, the carnivore diet does not. It works fine, though, until one starts baking weird things with almond flower and other "Liberal LCHF" foods (not liberal in the political sense).

If you are american, especially, stay away from GMO grain-fed industrial meat. It does not have the nutrients to do this properly or safely. If I lived there, I would exclusively hunt or raise my own meat animals, or buy organic only, or buy meat from someone who hunts. Or perhaps go vegan. The FDA really hates public health for some (lobbyist) reason. I am lucky that meat over here generally speaking nearly holds organic quality, or thereabout, even when it is not organic-certified. I mostly buy organic anyway, but have no need to worry when I do not. You do. All that grain fodder screws up the omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acid balance in favor of omega-6. The fatty acid imbalance causes inflammations and chronic diseases. Cattle should eat grass, not corn, soy and antibiotics. Just saying it because I don't want to recommend something that might make your husband sick and not warn about this local hazard. Modern food industrial complex meat really can make people sick.
 
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I tried veganism myself. Was not Hell at all, but I seemed to catch a cold more often during that phase, despite taking care of taking in enough vitamins. I had zero problems with digestion during that time, though. And a grew a few pounds. Gave it up because it was too much thinking for my taste. How will I make sure to get enough of this and that vitamin? And so on...

"If only burgers, pancakes, pizzas, wienerschnitzel, pastas and deep fried stuff were not my favorite foods"
My husband definitely can relate to that. And I love pizza myself.

Avocados I ate a lot during my vegan phase... "not liberal in the political sense", LOL...thumbs up for that. Made me laugh so hard.

We are living in Germany. The best "diet" for myself probably it not caring at all. Threw away my scale some years ago. As long as my clothes still fit, there is no need to worry. I was close to anorexia several times in my life, so... yeah. I am not too skinny either. And when I crave for chocolate, I eat chocolate. Or potato chips. A whole package if I must... and afterwards, I probably suffer for my "sin" with a stomach ache, lol...
As for my husband, overweight, high blood pressure, diabetes and such is in his genes. It would benefit his health to get under 100 kilograms... I am not much of a cook, and I somehow find it hard to deny him anything he loves... similar to how I treat my cat. Just that the cat still is slender. Anyway, I am a bit worried. My mother-in-law died during a standard surgery, because overweight, diabetes and high blood pressure had made her veins porose. I'd like to have my husband around for a little longer...
 
Hi Ritter,

Interesting. I had my best weight loss doing something a bit Adkinesque some time back. It is called the Blood Type Diet by Peter D'Adamo. The author backs up his premise that diet should be tuned to blood type by throwing in some evolutionary type arguments/history related to the supposed origin of different blood types (garnering a pseudo-science label from some), but aside from this caveat, I had no problem with it and had good results. Here is a quick summary:

Type O blood: A high-protein diet heavy on lean meat, poultry, fish, and vegetables, and light on grains, beans, and dairy. D'Adamo also recommends various supplements to help with tummy troubles and other issues he says people with type O tend to have.

Type A blood: A meat-free diet based on fruits and vegetables, beans and legumes, and whole grains -- ideally, organic and fresh, because D'Adamo says people with type A blood have a sensitive immune system.

Type B blood: Avoid corn, wheat, buckwheat, lentils, tomatoes, peanuts, and sesame seeds. Chicken is also problematic, D'Adamo says. He encourages eating green vegetables, eggs, certain meats, and low-fat dairy.

Type AB blood: Foods to focus on include tofu, seafood, dairy, and green vegetables. He says people with type AB blood tend to have low stomachacid. Avoid caffeine, alcohol, and smoked or cured meats.

My wife is AB and I am O, she loved the Macrobiotic diet that was in vogue many years ago (I hated it). She can go vegetarian or light on meat if need by, I have got to have animal protein. Anyhow, type O is supposedly the oldest blood type (if I am remembering correctly) and does best on hunter/gatherer foods. So, heavy on meat/fish/eggs, etc. plus veggies and fruits. Light on items that were the result of the development of agriculture and the domestication of cows, etc. such as beans, grains and dairy. So, plenty of animal protein, veggies and fruits and avoid the rest. Hmmm. Maybe I need to do this again. I need to lose about 30 lbs.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--My initial reservation about the Carnivore diet is that you better be prepared for constipation unless you can slip in some roughage somehow.

PPS--Just for curiosity sake, I'd be interested to hear from people who have different blood types in terms of their success (or lack thereof) in terms of vegetarianism, etc.
 
Many years ago I've tried Atkins. Easy to do, effective for a while, then I started to put the weight back, and more.

Then I discovered that weight is regulated by the balance calories intake less calories spent by the body. On a calorie restricted balanced diet (~1,400 calories /day), I lost in about a year 135 lb, reaching a normal weight. I've maintained my healthy weight over last 15 years, on a 2,000 - 2,400 calorie balanced diet. As exercise I do a daily program of ~25 min (warm-up, 10-15 min dumbbell / body weight exercises, stretches), walking 3-7 days a week, daily a 5 minute high intensity routine.

Excess protein diets seem to be carcinogenic.

I recommend this ketogenic diet introduction (I don't do, and never did a ketogenic diet).
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Ritter,

Interesting. I had my best weight loss doing something a bit Adkinesque some time back. It is called the Blood Type Diet by Peter D'Adamo. The author backs up his premise that diet should be tuned to blood type by throwing in some evolutionary type arguments/history related to the supposed origin of different blood types (garnering a pseudo-science label from some), but aside from this caveat, I had no problem with it and had good results. Here is a quick summary:

Type O blood: A high-protein diet heavy on lean meat, poultry, fish, and vegetables, and light on grains, beans, and dairy. D'Adamo also recommends various supplements to help with tummy troubles and other issues he says people with type O tend to have.

Type A blood: A meat-free diet based on fruits and vegetables, beans and legumes, and whole grains -- ideally, organic and fresh, because D'Adamo says people with type A blood have a sensitive immune system.

Type B blood: Avoid corn, wheat, buckwheat, lentils, tomatoes, peanuts, and sesame seeds. Chicken is also problematic, D'Adamo says. He encourages eating green vegetables, eggs, certain meats, and low-fat dairy.

Type AB blood: Foods to focus on include tofu, seafood, dairy, and green vegetables. He says people with type AB blood tend to have low stomachacid. Avoid caffeine, alcohol, and smoked or cured meats.

My wife is AB and I am O, she loved the Macrobiotic diet that was in vogue many years ago (I hated it). She can go vegetarian or light on meat if need by, I have got to have animal protein. Anyhow, type O is supposedly the oldest blood type (if I am remembering correctly) and does best on hunter/gatherer foods. So, heavy on meat/fish/eggs, etc. plus veggies and fruits. Light on items that were the result of the development of agriculture and the domestication of cows, etc. such as beans, grains and dairy. So, plenty of animal protein, veggies and fruits and avoid the rest. Hmmm. Maybe I need to do this again. I need to lose about 30 lbs.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--My initial reservation about the Carnivore diet is that you better be prepared for constipation unless you can slip in some roughage somehow.

PPS--Just for curiosity sake, I'd be interested to hear from people who have different blood types in terms of their success (or lack thereof) in terms of vegetarianism, etc.
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I am O+, and I have tried the blood type diet extensively. It is still in the back of my mind when I shop for food, to be honest. What I am doing now takes it into regard.

As for constipation, it gets to be an issue if I would eat too little fat and too much lean meat. If I eat fatty or non-stringy meats like bacon, liver, fatty pieces of chicken, spare ribs and entrecôte (no idea what the equivalent cut is in American nomenclature)... Not a problem. And then the stomach adapts to produce more acid in pretty short order. My main problem with the first week leading to ketosis adaption is irritability and cravings. My body wants to run on fat, so it sometimes only takes three-four days or so to get over the brain fog, irritability, cravings etc. A strange trick to get over it is to eat MORE fatty meat, butter etc. Crave something sugary? More meat of some appropriate kind. Serves both to get the nutrients wanted - cravings stop when enough nutrients are consumed and absorbed by the body - and as a slight psychological punishment. Kind of like forcing yourself to do pushups every time you even think about some bad habit you are trying to quit, like smoking. Food stops being entertainment and you no longer have a smörgåsbord of choices.

Food shouldn't be entertainment, it is fuel. It is too sensual and detracts from character. I do love food and I am a trained gourmet chef. So it is one of my big innate weaknesses. Even had an interest for it last time around. But it will have to be for sometimes. It is not healthy. When food is reduced to basic nutrition twice daily, it makes you focus elsewhere. I will never be a total ascetic, but it is good for discipline to aim high and get rid of bad habits. Basically hedonistic behaviors. Smoking, drinking, gluttony, laziness and so on.

The why of it? The men do not respect weakness in a leader. A common soldier can be allowed more leeway for weaknesses and childishness, but an underofficer or commissioned officer must be strong of character. An officer can have humor, but not be the laughing stock or one who inspires disgust in soldiers. As for modern people, I do not care for their sensibilities and do my own thing. If he is not superior in every way, an officer is not respected. If he is not superior, the men will not trust his judgement. An officer can never be seen drunken, whoring, delirious, puking, crying or the like. In the company of family and very close friends... Perhaps, and very seldom. Not the whoring part, though. Human weakness is not wanted in a leader. I like alcohol and smoking cigars, but I only do so once a year, with one or two friends. We drink and listen to or sing Soldatenlieder. Soldier's songs. They are like me, too. Reborn. One of them were with my old friend Meyer, whom I miss. Emil Wawrzinek. One cuban cigar (Cohiba), honey mead, great craft beer and a good dose of the schnaps. Plus enough meat to feed a large bear. From afternoon until sunrise. Preferably in the forest. Then another year.

This attempted control of character - 99.5% of the time - when it comes to the everyday things, does translate into ability to remain in control while in much worse situations. Combat and aftermath, or captivity, for instance. Sometimes not even that is enough. But it always helps. Everyone has weak moments, but your level of control determines how badly you screw up. Practice makes perfect. Übung macht den Meister. Probably my favorite saying. In German, not in English. "Practice makes the master" is a wiser saying, because no one is perfect but God. Though, aiming high is conducive to personal improvement. I think Marcus Aurelius would agree. Fundamentally, this is a stoic and Roman thing. It very much separates Patrician from Plebeian.
 
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Hi Ritter,

Anything having to do with dieting seems to inevitably get to the subject of self-discipline across the board. I can remember when the types of standards, self-discipline and goals you mention used to be more common in men who aspired to something higher in life. Likewise, there was a somewhat different, but generally parallel list of disciplines practiced by those who aspired to something higher among the fairer sex. Unfortunately, most of this has been swept away in the tsunami of crass vulgarity and general trashiness that constitutes the modern sensibility and the bulk of modern culture. I think people on this forum are more likely to understand what I mean than the general populace. It is one of the benefits as well as one of the curses of having a "longer" perspective on things.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Alright. So I am currently five days without anything but meat and water. Strangely, I have not felt any huge amounts of fatigue or brain fog in the transition from carbs to ketosis. The light inflammations I had in my knees, wrists, achilles tendons, ribs and shoulderblades are now seemingly gone. I can still physically feel the absence of it, like it is almost but not quite healed. But there is no real pain. My stomach is notably flatter and calmer without all the plant matter I ate up until dinner time on wednesday, when I made my switch. No problems with constipation whatsoever. I had brain fog and fatigue one day, but simply ate more meat and drank water. It passed away quickly. I have basically eaten a steak, fish or chicken twice daily. Sometimes a snack in between or in the evening. Some say cheese is okay, so I have had a little haloumi and Russian smoked cheese.

Over all, I feel great. Very even energy levels, the GI tract feels awesome and my aches and pains are gone. I basically feel like a teenager and not a well-worn 30-something.

Out of all the diets I have tried so far, this has had the biggest effect on the body.
 
Hi Ritter,

What are you using as your basic "source" on this diet? I.e., book(s), website(s), etc.

Also, any info/clue in terms of differences between type O on this diet and other blood types?

Keep us posted!

Cordially,
S&S
 
No info on blood types yet.

As far a sources, I have been watching lots of videos on youtube from various people and especially dr. Shawn Baker who got this trend going. I first heard of it in a video from Jordan Peterson, the guy who criticizes feminism. When he was on the Joe Rogan show.

It is mostly anecdotal, but there are studies as well. I figured I should give it a shot. We will see how I feel at new years. If it does not work, it should be evident by then. If I start to get scurvy, it will be pretty obvious.
 
Had a bit of a crash and had a hard time getting up out of bed earlier. Unusual. Willed myself to do so after a half hour of headache. Some coffee and a steak, and things are fine again. Think I ate too little yesterday. Did not eat in the evening.

On another note, I am literally feeling little aches and pains going away. Expect i'll be good as new in a few weeks of this. I was never incapacitated or handicapped, just felt a bit worn. Skin quality has notably increased. It looks smoother and matte.

Although that could be because I just made a superb batch of organic hempseed beard oil with a high concentration of essential oils. And yeah, I am a bit of a DIY hipster. Although, the argument against it being *just* the oil is that skin seems to be improving all over. And I just use the oil to feed/tame my footlong beard.

Speaking of which. I'll post the recipe, since it was a particularly good batch. Somewhat pricey and large, but hey.

Beard oil recipe "hippie mountain monastery"

1 liter (2 pints, basically) organic hempseed oil.
30 ml grapeseed oil
30 ml active abyssinian seed oil
15 ml castor oil

Essential oils:
10 ml sandalwood essential oil
10 ml lemon essential oil
10 ml geranium essential oil
10 ml frankincense essential oil
10 ml clary sage essential oil

Mix in glass container using some form of clean utensil. Divvy up into glass bottles of appropriate size, like 30 or 60 ml.

I was after the effects of the oils on skin and hair, not particularly the smells. But it is rather pleasant. Kind of like a monastery herb garden, with some leather workshop thrown in. Set me back 140$ or thereabout to buy the ingredients, but I sell it at cost to friends and acquaintances IRL. So I won't have to go through over a liter of the stuff before it goes bad. I use about 30 ml/month. This is not an ad, btw. Just some DIY stuff. One of a thousand hobbies. Can't be bothered to send anything for any amount of money. I charge anything at all because it would get too pricey to buy ingredients experiment otherwise.

Caution! Do beware that pregnant women should not use clary sage at all, though. It may induce contractions. Always read up on any essential oil before use. Like how men should stay the hell away from lavender.
 
Speaking of which. I learned that entrecôte is basically ribeye steak. That's my basic staple. 300g at least/day. For the two other meals, other meats. Or more ribeye...
 
Day 8. Feeling pretty nice and calm, almost serene. Been dreaming a lot. Going to the range tonight for some quality Glock time, will see if it has impacted performance positively or negatively. As all things do. Ketosis is good in that it creates an even normal level at all times. Even when hungry, you don't crash like it does when the body runs on glucose.

Dairy in high moderation is apparently okay, so I had a cup of high fat yoghurt earlier. Not reacting badly to it, it seems. Might eat some as a snack occasionally. When it is far enough removed from my meat so that it doesn't collide with nutrient uptake from the meat.
 
Thanks, Tinkerman. Much appreciated.

Day 8 update #2.

As for range/concentration performance, it went well. Scored tight groupings. Definitely no problems. Precision 25 meters, one hand. .22 LR and 9 mm. It was -6 degrees Celsius outside and I was shooting without gloves. Went really well for an hour or so until my fingers were frozen stiff. But I was the last to leave, anyway, at just over two hours. Shook less than usual. Probably due to less/no inflammation in my shoulder blades. Tested out two guns previously unknown to me (of the very expensive kind, a heavily modified Sig and a Tanfoglio) so it was a good day. So far I am liking this carnivore thing almost too much. Now I will go and have some pork collar.
 
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saw my post was deleted...how can i be respectful when you are torturing animals for 10 minutes of pleasure? And once again i will say Atkins diet killed him...
 
Hi Cat,

You seem to be a very nice lady (and I really like your avatar, which is probably reflective or your personality). However, Ritter is by no means the only meat eater on this board. Most of the people on this board (like most of the people on this planet) are meat eaters. Do you really think it is necessary to keep trying to start an argument about eating meat? What's the point of disrupting this thread in such a manner? If you really want to extol the virtues of vegetarianism I'm all for it, but why not start another thread of your own?

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi Sea..i really do not want to start an argument. I am a peace-maker....I just don't understand how people can kill a live being for meat when there are so many other protein sources available. I will never understand why humans are not disciplined. And i will leave with this quoted material

"Ancient Greek philosophers made their arguments based on the moral status of animals themselves. Greek mathematician and philosopher Pythagoras made the case against eating animals on grounds of their having souls like humans.

Philosopher Plato, in Book 2 of the “The Republic,” thought of meat as a luxury that would lead to an unsustainable society, filled with strife and inequality, requiring more land and wars to acquire it.

Two thousand years later, in 1789, Jeremy Bentham, father of the theory of utilitarianism, pointed to the animal suffering as morally concerning and therefore implicated meat consumption.

He asked:

“The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer? Why should the law refuse its protection to any sensitive being? … The time will come when humanity will extend its mantle over everything which breathes … ”
 
briski said:
Interesting article on the subject of whats worse for the environment cultivating land for non meats harming animals etc.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...edods-protein-crops-jack-monroe-a8177541.html
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Interesting perspective. One of several counter-arguments. Personally, I mostly care about finding an optimal diet which is conducive to health and well-being. Lectins, gluten, phyto-estrogens, fiber and all sorts of things found in plant foods make them less appealing to me. I buy quality meat from right here. Quinoa or avocados or beans don't grow where I live. My ancestors never ate them. Didn't even eat much wheat until less than a thousand years ago. A blink of an eye, evolutionary speaking. I think that is a rational enough take on it. Eating mostly meat, dairy and sometimes local greenery with no or little lectins in them seems smarter.

What is and what is not ideal diet may differ between people and peoples, of course. It stands to reason that people who descend from populations that lived through multiple ice ages are sorta... Hunters. Primarily speaking. Many Inuits still live like that. Those who do are healthy, more so than those who eat like westerners. Those tend to get fat and diabetic. Traditional inuit diet is about a hundred percent animal. Stands to reason that Asians and a lot of Europeans would do well on such a diet. We have lived through multiple ice ages and it has mostly been cold up here. Which is why I am trying it out. So far it is to my liking. Especially the lack of bloating and the sudden disappearence of inflammations. I tried the vegetarian and vegan ways before doing this. Food ethics are no good if they destroy your health. I am built for either low carb paleo or this carnivore thing. So far, carnivore feels better than paleo ever did. And I don't even have any real food allergies or intolerances.
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Ritter,

Interesting. I had my best weight loss doing something a bit Adkinesque some time back. It is called the Blood Type Diet by Peter D'Adamo. The author backs up his premise that diet should be tuned to blood type by throwing in some evolutionary type arguments/history related to the supposed origin of different blood types (garnering a pseudo-science label from some), but aside from this caveat, I had no problem with it and had good results. Here is a quick summary:

Type O blood: A high-protein diet heavy on lean meat, poultry, fish, and vegetables, and light on grains, beans, and dairy. D'Adamo also recommends various supplements to help with tummy troubles and other issues he says people with type O tend to have.

Type A blood: A meat-free diet based on fruits and vegetables, beans and legumes, and whole grains -- ideally, organic and fresh, because D'Adamo says people with type A blood have a sensitive immune system.

Type B blood: Avoid corn, wheat, buckwheat, lentils, tomatoes, peanuts, and sesame seeds. Chicken is also problematic, D'Adamo says. He encourages eating green vegetables, eggs, certain meats, and low-fat dairy.

Type AB blood: Foods to focus on include tofu, seafood, dairy, and green vegetables. He says people with type AB blood tend to have low stomachacid. Avoid caffeine, alcohol, and smoked or cured meats.

My wife is AB and I am O, she loved the Macrobiotic diet that was in vogue many years ago (I hated it). She can go vegetarian or light on meat if need by, I have got to have animal protein. Anyhow, type O is supposedly the oldest blood type (if I am remembering correctly) and does best on hunter/gatherer foods. So, heavy on meat/fish/eggs, etc. plus veggies and fruits. Light on items that were the result of the development of agriculture and the domestication of cows, etc. such as beans, grains and dairy. So, plenty of animal protein, veggies and fruits and avoid the rest. Hmmm. Maybe I need to do this again. I need to lose about 30 lbs.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--My initial reservation about the Carnivore diet is that you better be prepared for constipation unless you can slip in some roughage somehow.

PPS--Just for curiosity sake, I'd be interested to hear from people who have different blood types in terms of their success (or lack thereof) in terms of vegetarianism, etc.
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Hello SeaAndSky, thank you for the interesting post.

I have never heard of the work of d'Adamo, it is interesting as it fits my current conclusion regarding what diet fits me the most: I am A+, and have found after many years of trials and errors that a plant-based diet, with mainly vegetables, grains and fruits, is what is making me feel the most energetic, if I add in the mix mushrooms and tofu, which is widely available in China. I eat white meat, usually chicken, about 3 or 4 times a week, and have completely dismissed red meat from my diet. I found that after getting rid of red meat and pork, frequency of nightmares greatly diminished, along with ease of digestion, skin aspect and inflamations got much better, and felt a much stronger immune system. Funny enough, I have realized that I need on average about 90 minutes less sleep per night to feel well-rested.

Thank you Ritter for your report, it is very interesting to read such a detailed account of your experience, although I do not feel that a diet based mostly on meat is suited for my metabolism. I have heard the same tale of experience from a friend who is from Kamchatka, and they have traditionally a mostly meat-based diet and this is how she found her balance aswell. Fascinating to see how "plastic" our metabolism can be, depending on our ancestry, considering that our digestive system is almost similar to our cousins the great apes, who have exclusively fruit eaters.
 
I had a rather nice full english today, sausages, baked beans, bacon, eggs, mushrooms. All inspired because of this thread, more so @Jim78 's post about a full irish which is very simliar
 
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