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Change in gender-wish PL related?

Hi Lawyer Daggett,

A child with gender issues does not any more 'deserve' the depression that their condition may bring, any more so than a war veteran 'deserves' the suffering that their service has wrought upon him or her, or for that matter anyone else deserves their suffering.
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Excuse me for pointing this out, but being this a reincarnation forum I feel I must emphasize something that is intrinsically connected to it: the karmic process. This is, I believe/know, very much a part of the process. There are always underlying past issues in everything we undergo in our destinies/fates in each incarnation/lifetime. How we deal with each situation, be it whatever it may be, is what is truly important in our growth process. What truly matters are our decisions "in the now", and naturally, each one has the right to seek one's own happiness - be it in whichever way they might judge it to be - just as long as, in doing so, one is not inflicting any greater pain or suffering upon another...
 
Good conversation here :thumbsup:


I get your point Nightrain and I too think operations out of vanity is an example of the less essential 'pains'. But I think the comparison that has been made isn't really a good one. I think the pains we talk about here are different. I know a person that underwent gender changing surgery who is now very relieved after experiencing "many many problems". A problem is there to be solved. I don't think we should look at people who struggle with great problems like the Vietnam veterans to deny our own 'essential' problems. But these cases can function as a great example that we all should be satisfied with our situations as long as we are dealing with minor issues. And yes it should make us feel very humble when we look at people who have experienced these atrocities and still shine with positivism.


Truthseeker about "rather the body itself that has the biggest influence in sexual orientation", I want to note also that in nature, in the animal world, homosexualism does occur.


Charles do you know of or can you give an example of the karmic process that could be behind a wish for gender change?
 
I'm pretty stunned here that there is any comparison between the needs of combat veterans vs people who feel they are trapped in the wrong body.


I don't see how the body you happen to be in, male or female, is holding anyone back from being who they are. There are plenty people of either sex in 'non-traditional' jobs these days, and acceptance to go outside the typical gender roles.


At the risk of being flamed here, I just think that if you believe that the male parts or female parts you happen to have are the root of all your problems that you need more real problems. If that person who always felt they were in the wrong body were suddenly in an accident and lost an arm or leg or part of their face and they only could have one surgery, which surgery would they choose?


Editing this in.


I can see how a person may have issues if formerly they were female and very girlie and suddenly got stuck in a male body that looked like a pro wrestler or vice versa but if that body is what fate handed you I think there would be a reason for it. This is assuming that the body in question is in perfectly reasonable health.
 
Charles do you know of or can you give an example of the karmic process that could be behind a wish for gender change?
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Hi Overseas,


In fact I don't personally, no... But I do firmly believe that all things happen for a reason, and that we are usually where we have chosen or at least where we are supposed to be. There is no such thing as a "coincidence", and everything in our lives is based on our choices. Quite certainly this must also apply to gender choices...


I believe that certainly the implications that bring people together, in involvementes whether male/female or not, more often than not bring behind them issues from the past. Involvements such as, just as an example, the two men in "The kiss of the spiderwoman", are grounded on unresolved issues which have brought them together for a purpose. I believe this must certainly apply to relationships in general, whether heterossexual or not...
 
Overseas said:
Truthseeker about "rather the body itself that has the biggest influence in sexual orientation", I want to note also that in nature, in the animal world, homosexualism does occur.
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I think we can all agree that human beings' brains are more complex than animals. But we can also all agree that homosexuality is not evolutionarily suited for species survival. The idea that I put out there is not necessarily that humans are naturally gay, but rather it could be a something that was determined prior to birth as part of the souls experience and growth opportunity in that life.


I'm not stating whether I agree with it or not. Point blank - I don't know. I'm just putting things out there for the sake of discussion.
 
Here we run the risk of getting into 'what is a war veteran' and the validity of some claims. In an army today,contrary to popular opinion, only 10% are involved in actual combat, the rest are what combatant soldiers condescendingly regard as REMFS (rear echelon mother f######'- a soldiers word, not mine.).


A disproportionate number of veteran's dissability claims come from REMFS. I am not saying their claims are un worthy, but most in my experience have experienced far less 'Combat' than my grandma did when Germany was fire bombing Coventry and the English midlands.


One vet I have represented a decade or so ago is a good example, he was the uncle of my then partner. He did not have actual combat in WW2 but endured four years of racist anti semitic bastardisation by a sadistic and Sgt who controlled every detail of my clients life for four years. Is his anxiety claim somehow un worthy because it is the result of bullying and not actual combat? I think not.


Each individual has a different capacity to handle stress- this may be genetically loaded, result from your up bringing, or as I increasingly appreciate and believe be from past life baggage (or a need to work out Karma), that like your childhood 'stuff' just keeps percolating up.


My point is that I do not think it is the job of any of us to prioritise or judge the degree of 'pain' that others suffer. It is as I say like beauty and all in the eye of the beholder.


I stress Nighttrain, that while we may disagree on this issue, I have the greatest respect for a man who assists Vets ( or any other needy group), and if you are ever in my neck of the woods or if I ever find myself in yours would love to shake your hand and buy you a beer.
 
Lawyer Daggett said:
My point is that I do not think it is the job of any of us to prioritise or judge the degree of 'pain' that others suffer. It is as I say like beauty and all in the eye of the beholder.


I stress Nighttrain, that while we may disagree on this issue, I have the greatest respect for a man who assists Vets ( or any other needy group), and if you are ever in my neck of the woods or if I ever find myself in yours would love to shake your hand and buy you a beer.
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I'll buy you a CASE of beer! What's your "poison"?


When I was involved in a number of Veterans' organizations, I encountered many levels of self-depreciation among men, who felt, that they didn't do enough. Those, who were Stateside or at peaceful stations, would either publicly demean themselves or they would outright lie, because they felt they didn't do enough. Those who were rear echelon were embarrassed for having not been in combat. Those who were in combat were down in the mouth about not being in one of the elite units like; S.O.G., Special Ops, Special Forces, Rangers or Navy Seals. And, many of them were suicidal, because they just felt that they didn't do enough, period.


The only way that we could deal with everyone's mutual sadness was to help each other understand, that there is no such thing as a small firefight. None of us looked down on anyone for not doing "enough". And we didn't care what medals were earned or battles were fought. We could spot the fakes whenever they looked down on someone else. Of course, there is always the exception, when we cajole good-naturedly about the various differences between Marines, Army, Navy, Airforce and National Guard.


Everybody does their part in life, and respect should not be limited just to those who served. Like you said, suffering is really quite relative; and, what seems overly simple to some people, really can be total misery for someone else.


-Nightrain
 
Nightrain 1- my poison is good American Bourbon or Irish Whiskey (not scottish)!
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Having been born in Scotland, I should in principle take offense and consider this statement an appalling lack of good taste, but in truth I cannot say I can... :D Cannot drink any of this stuff myself. I am far more a beer and wine man.


As well as the risk of a "carryover", seeing as I was an alcoholic in at least one of my past lives, on the only occasion I tried to drink Drambuie, which is a whisky liqueur known as "Prince Charles Edward Stuart's Liqueur", the darned thing got stuck half way down my throat and almost choked me to death... :eek: :butbut:
 
Charles, Bourbon and Irish Whiskey is made by a different means than that used for Scottish Whiskey.


I find the former smoother. Matter of personal taste and no offence was meant.
 
Lawyer Daggett said:
Charles, Bourbon and Irish Whiskey is made by a different means than that used for Scottish Whiskey. I find the former smoother. Matter of personal taste and no offence was meant.
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Bonnie Prince Charley is just pulling your chain. It's all in good fun.


-Nightrain
 
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