Emotions matter

[deborah]

Hi Sunday,


I look forward to your examples.

....our thoughts create it...much as the book "The Secret" proposed. I know people who believe that theory, yet they don't have the kind of life they wished they did.

A new thread would be awesome.

"To all who believe we choose our own parents, I believe we do. But I'm not certain all souls always make the best choices...."

In Stevenson’s research, he suggests that although we are the creators of our own lives and to a certain extent, our own bodies, our participation in this process is so passive as to be almost involuntary. We are creating our lives -but we are caught in chaos -disharmony and sometimes in abusive and hurtful relationships because we are not making conscious transitions from life to death and visa versa.


Also in the book OLD SOULS, which is about Ian Stevenson's work; On page 120, the author brings up an interesting study that Stevenson did about Burma Children who remember being Japanese soldiers in 1945. The Burma HATE the Japanese. Some of these children have even been killed for believing they were once Japanese. The souls of Japanese soldiers - in their next life -became Burma. Was it a choice?


Hate is an emotion filled with thoughts. So to me hate too - creates; seems like we are drawn to -that which we focus our attention on.


I think Carol presented it beautifully in her book Return From Heaven, while making reference to the Tibetan Buddhists:

“The Tibetan Buddhists agree that the more aware and conscious a soul is, the better its choices will be for the coming life. They say a spiritually evolved soul can direct its incarnation and choose the place and family of its birth. Otherwise, they say, Karma will dictate the choice, and the soul will be drawn, as a magnet, into whatever womb resonates with all its past experiences.”

I'll try to post a few examples from my experiences later this weekend. Very thoughtful replies - everyone. I am enjoying the conversation.

 

[Cloacina]

I went from being soldier fighting against the Americans to being an anti-war American. I don't think that was a coincidence. It makes me wonder how many of the war protesters during Vietnam were reincarnated WWII casualties.

I thought it was interesting when you said you believe you were in WWII, then lived as a hippy during the 60's, and that both of these were past lives. I have said many times on here that I am not sure if reincarnation is real and have no strong memories- only possible memories and suspected possible connections. Yet, when I list who I thought I might have been, where and when I might have lived, etc., I suspect I might have been a spy during WWII (working for the Americans or allies), and a hippy during the 60's, and that those were my last two lives. I was born in this life in the early 80's. It seems like I must have came back quickly after WWII, and after the 60's life. Anyway, it was very interesting for me to see your post because of this.


What seems weird to me, though, is I had a dream as a kid of becoming a king (or royal person) and dying in a fencing duel. If all of these were past lives, I wonder why I drempt of a less recent one.

 

[Truthseeker]

Actually, in the 60's I was still pretty young, but the US wasn't completely out until 1975. I don't have any memories of actively participating in any public protests myself. I do remember when my best friend's older brother came home from Vietnam. I could tell that the war effected him mentally. He just wasn't the same after that.

 

[SundayAtDusk]

I'm curious, to those of you who believe you were hippies in the 1960's, how do you believe you died in that lifetime? And why do you believe you died young in that lifetime?


Karoliina, I'm glad you have a much easier, "charmed" life this time. I'm sure your parents, sisters and children are grateful you have such a life this time, too...and that you know, from past life experience, how to appreciate and enjoy a happy type of live.$$


Oh, Deborah, thanks so much for the quotes from Carol's and Dr. Stevenson's work. There's a maxim: Choose your enemies well, because you'll eventually become just like them. Maybe it should be changed to: Choose your enemies well, because you'll eventually become them in a future lifetime. It certainly makes sense that one could be born into an ethnic group that one hated, so one can develop an understanding and love for the group they hated. Yet, wasn't one of the cases in Old Souls about a man who absolutely refused to accept who he was in his current lifetime, and was doing everything possible to get back to his past life ethnic group? Obviously, past life hatred has some very strong pull in one's soul. I personally think, one reason many people refuse to even consider the possibility of reincarnation, is because they so fear and detest the idea of coming back as a member of a race they hate. And, of course, it has been proposed that self-hatred, where the matter of race is concerned, may actually be more rooted in a past life, than in the current lifetime.


Although I don't particularly like the ideas of "passive involvement" in choosing the next lifetime, or in karma dictating it...at this point in life, at this point in my metaphysical studies, I believe those two ideas are probably more truthful and real than so many of the New Age beliefs; particularly, that we're all in some blissful, all-knowing sort of state in the spirit world, with some wonderful guide, choosing EXACTLY the life we need this time. I simply do not believe that sort of thing any longer. I once did. But no more. I also believe there is a great possibility that what is most important to so many souls is WHO or WHOM they incarnate with next time. I could easily see a soul just wanting to be back with another soul, or a group of souls, on the Earth...just taking whatever comes along in that lifetime...just so they can be with another soul or souls who they dearly love. Maybe you just jump on the train, as it departs from the Heavenly Gates, because someone is calling: "Come on! We're going back!" And maybe you run and jump on the train, happily sit down next to that soul and say: "Where exactly are we going this time?"

 

[Truthseeker]

I'm curious, to those of you who believe you were hippies in the 1960's, how do you believe you died in that lifetime? And why do you believe you died young in that lifetime?

I died in an accident, I believe, during the mid 70's in my early 20's. The reason why I don't know. Karmic consiquence or bad luck, I don't know.

I could easily see a soul just wanting to be back with another soul, or a group of souls, on the Earth...just taking whatever comes along in that lifetime...just so they can be with another soul or souls who they dearly love. Maybe you just jump on the train, as it departs from the Heavenly Gates, because someone is calling: "Come on! We're going back!" And maybe you run and jump on the train, happily sit down next to that soul and say: "Where exactly are we going this time?"

What has made you arrive at this conclusion? It almost sounds like a random free-for-all driven by impulse. I have to believe there's a little more to it than that. I would care a little more about what lies ahead of me than to just jump aboard and find out when I get there.

 

[Karoliina]

I also believe karma is a very powerful thing. Yes, drawing us like a magnet to certain people and situations. So I believe it is one of the things that can interfere with the plans we've made pre-birth, and change them.


Btw, I was also sort of a hippie in the 1960's, but I was very young and mostly just imitating my brother, who was my idol. The phase passed as my life changed with my brother disappearing from my life, and I died violently around mid-1970's having gone through a lot in my last years.


Karoliina

 

[SundayAtDusk]

Truthseeker, after you've been thinking about certain metaphysical things for a couple of decades, all sorts of ideas enter your mind. The "jump on the train" theory was actually more of a joke...but yet, why not? As long as you accept responsibility for where you end up, because you simply chose to follow another soul or souls, why not? (Personally, I doubt incarnating would be that easy.)


Thanks to you and Karoliina for your past life hippie memories. I was wondering if people who thought they lived during the '60's actually had some type of past life memory...or if they just had a hunch they lived then. The 1960's was an exciting time, and many wish they had lived during that time...so, I always think the wishing may be what creates the past life "hunch" in the minds of some people. Also, if they didn't die in the Vietnam War, I was wondering how everyone thought they died, and why they thought they died so young.


And Deborah, I have not forgotten the "assignment" here in this thread. I'm just trying to remember what I use to think about the matter, because it has been so long since I thought about it. Are all the old threads gone from this forum that aren't visible some place here on the board? I know Kelly kept them all, I believe, but she had a major PC crash at one time, and I think she lost everything.icon_cry.gif

 

[Truthseeker]

Truthseeker, after you've been thinking about certain metaphysical things for a couple of decades, all sorts of ideas enter your mind. The "jump on the train" theory was actually more of a joke...but yet, why not? As long as you accept responsibility for where you end up, because you simply chose to follow another soul or souls, why not? (Personally, I doubt incarnating would be that easy.)

I know the train is a metaphor. I'm sorry if it looks like I'm taking it too seriously. I was just curious if something in particular lead you to this conclusion or if it was a hunch.

I was wondering if people who thought they lived during the '60's actually had some type of past life memory...or if they just had a hunch they lived then. The 1960's was an exciting time, and many wish they had lived during that time...so, I always think the wishing may be what creates the past life "hunch" in the minds of some people.

My memories revolve around the 70's more than the 60's. It was the first past life that I remembered, and it has involved some very detailed memories. My memories are centered around everyday life, not historical events.

 

[SundayAtDusk]

Truthseeker, I think I was thinking along the lines of the idea that, as Deborah stated, "maybe there are no rules". Maybe there are those who plan very little for the next lifetime...they prefer an element of surprise...they prefer to just live life and learn about it as it comes...however it comes.That includes dealing with any karma that comes along.


And that sort of thing would be for souls far braver than me! (The only thing I don't like about the idea of simply following another soul you love into a next lifetime, is that it sounds a bit like following one's boyfriend or girlfriend to college!:laugh


Oh, the '7's were nowhere near as exciting as the '6$P$'s--it's probably a real past life memory!

 

[Truthseeker]

And that sort of thing would be for souls far braver than me! (The only thing I don't like about the idea of simply following another soul you love into a next lifetime, is that it sounds a bit like following one's boyfriend or girlfriend to college!:laugh

I completely agree.

Oh, the '7's were nowhere near as exciting as the '6$P$'s--it's probably a real past life memory!

:laugh: No, my memories aren't anything too exciting. The truth is I mostly remember going to school and having fun with friends on the weekend. : angel