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Hi Wizard and Kitn,
I contacted the library in Virginia, MN and asked them about the case. The librarian looked and found out that their older files had been in a fire and were destroyed last April. The librarian referred my questions to the local police department and there is a police officer looking up the old cases to see if there is a match. I did not tell any of them why I was asking.
I gave the years 1957-the 1960's based on what you said about the Moon Tag game coming out in 1957.
I don't know how to find any more information through the internet but I did look up Virginia, MN on line. I found out that they mine iron ore there and that the minors each brought back a rock every day at the end of their shift and these rocks were the foundation for the Kalevala Hall.
Vicky
 
Thank you all for the help and the great links! Vicky, I hope the police won't suspect you of knowing something, lol. I know if you told them why you were asking they would think-nut case. That is why I don't discuss this with very many people. I had emailed a woman in upper Michigan and when I told her why she never answered me, lol.

I believe the late fifties would be the time to search. I have searched online, but found so many I can not go through them all. Furthermore, Kade may have the names wrong. As someone had said Todd could have been a last name or someone elses name and he is confused; although he is consistent.

I will continue to search old murders. But what if it was in a another country? It is like looking for a needle in a haystack. I have not heard anything from Hasbro yet.

Again, thanks everyone for your help.
 
If you have to ask for help from librarians, police, etcetera, and they want to know why, just tell them you are investigating a family story. Imply that you are doing genealogy research. They are often very helpful then. :)

If you think you've got a spot it might have occured, ask at the local genealogy society. They are often very knowledgable and helpful in finding informaion. Plus they are used to people being uncertain of names and dates when searching on their familes. It's pretty common and they have experience in working with that. ;)
 
Kalevala etc.

I think Kade had said that you could dance at Kalevala, Those festivals that I mentioned also had old fashioned country dances. I think kade also said there
were horses at the Kalevala festival, the festivals I mentioned had things like hay rides, I supose in the winter they may have had sleigh rides, so maybe this is where the horses fit it. I found that on the internet when I was searching for information about basket socials there many pages telling about
how people brought baskets full of goodies to those socials. and "goodies"
was the exact word they were using. The goodies that were in those basket
also included cookies and other baked goods.
I think Kade said that people brought furs to Kalevala festival, I read about
how people brought clothing that they had made to festivals to sell, so maybe the furs that were brought to Kalevala were brought there by fur trappers so they could try to sell them. Being that they brought furs to the Kalevala festival kade is talking about, the festival may have even been in Canada.

The Kalavala festival Kade is talking about seems to resemble an old fashioned
agricultural fair, but I think those fairs were usualy held near the end of summer.

Wizard
 
Wizard, you are so right. I saw a site with lots of pictures of the Kaleval festival. There are horses, dancers, music and a grand parade. The dancers are wearing bright colored skirts which they flare as they dance down the street. It is a big festival with lots of entertainment. I suppose one would go inside somewhere to eat the goodies. Possibly there were many baked goods for sale.

I am still searching in Minnesota since that seems the most likely place.

One thing I try to remember is at his age he may get the seasons wrong. There may have been snow there but not during the festival. I am sure he gets somethings mixed up.

Again, thanks everyone. Vicky I am anxiously awaiting an answer from the police. I hope they find something....
 
I hope I hear something soon. I e-mailed the police officer after the librarian told me she forwarded my 'case' on to the police dept. She gave me his name and I e-mailed him. I'm glad that Chelle posted the ideas about what to say because I think I will say that I'm looking into a family story. (which is true even though its Kitn's family, not mine.
If I haven't heard anything by next week, I'll e-mail the librarian because she told me that everyone there is really interested in finding out if we find out. I think she really wanted to know why I want to know but she didn't ask. The universe must have heard my prayers during that conversation.
Vicky
 
I wonder if Kade could be asked if he new anybody who spoke Finnish? If he says "no" then he might mention another language that people spoke.

Wizard
 
Wizard, he is only three and I do not think he understands there are different languages yet.

He spent last night with me and we talked a little, but he does not say much anymore. He did tell me he was shot and it hurt very, very, very bad, and then he died. He did say he lived where there were no other houses. I asked out in the country? He said yes, but I don't know if he knows for sure the difference. He may, as I live in the country and he used to live in the country but now they live in town. He also says he remember things, but only little bits of remembering.

I asked him if he would like to talk to someone about what happened when he was the other little boy. He asked "why do they know what happened to me, were they there, did they see the hitter?" I said no but it might help to talk to someone about it. He said he did not want to talk to anyone about it. (the hitter is something the man held and beat him with-I don't know what it is just that he used the hitter on him)
 
Gosh that just breaks my heart! (the hitter thing) It's one thing to die a traumatic death as an adult where you have a concept of what happened, but he was only a young child.
 
Hi Kitn

I was wondering too if he would understand what other languages meant. I
think the Idea of showing him pictures worked good (like picture of the Moon Tag box.) and you would'nt need to ask him questions that might upset him when showing him pictures of things that he might remember. When I first found that picture of the Moon Tag Box I had a feeling he would recognize it. For some reason I feel that that one of the dresses that his other Mother wore had a daisy flower design on it, so I found a picture on the internet of a dress like that, and I'm going to try to attach a picture of it here, if you show him it maybe he will remember a dress like that. Sometimes I seem to have what may be phychic abillities and I'll list somethings that I feel apply to Kade's other life. It would interesting to see if anyone of these things come true.

These are some of the phychic? things feel about Kade's other life:

1.They lived near Michigan or a place refered to something like "the upper part".

2.There was a farm not to far away from where they lived.

3. Kade's other mother was a mixture of French and about one eight Finnish

4. Tod was a stepfather, he was "Tod senior" and he had a son "Tod Junior"

5. Kade's other Mother wore dresses with flower designs on them and one of them was a dress that had daisies on them and and that dress was a yellow color. She also may have worn a carnation that she pinned on a dress.

I don't know of any of these will come true but it seemed to work for the Moon Tag box.

See the attached pictures of daisy type of dresses.

Wizarddress1.jpg

daisydresses.jpg
 
Wizard, thanks for the pictures. I will show them to him. Those look like Brady Bunch clothes, lol. When you said that, I remembered him saying his mother wore flowers. I don't remember if it was a dress or in her hair, or both. She did wear dresses. I do remember that. We were riding the golf cart near the woods at the end of the property when we talked about that. He was showing me "*****ly" vines like the ones his other mother told him to stay away from.

She must have had a garden or farmed because he knew how to hoe and plant seeds. He also answered when we asked where we could find his other mother "in the garden I guess." She must have worked one.

Yes MoonDansyer it is sad. This child has acted out how he was treated and it is terrible. He has shown me how the man put his hands on his throat hard, punched him and used the hitter. He does not act out much anymore. I think he just wanted me to know the things that happened and now that I know he does not talk much of it.

My husband was an abused child; in all ways. His mother marched him, at four years old, naked to an apple tree with all the other kids in tow. She put him on a box, tied a rope around his head and kicked the box out from under him. His grandmother lived on the farm and saw this and came running and saved him. His mother was mentally ill. This is written in a book about a judge in TN. The author did not give names, but the family he talks about was my husbands. I know the affects the abuse had on my husband throughout his life. It is pain that is never forgotten. It affects everyone who lives or loves the abused person.

Back in those days, abuse was not talked about. It was something kept quiet. My husband confided in his pastor and the pastor called him a liar and then told his mother; this made it worse. He told a teacher at school and she called the mother in and told her of "the lies" the child told her. He was just a little boy looking for help, but no one cared enough to invesitage the home situation. Nowadays, we have child protective services and school counselors. Abused children have people to confide in, if they feel safe.

I believe this is why I want to find out exactly what happened to that other little boy. I just want to be sure Todd was caught and punished before he hurt anyone else.
 
I understand that people get the chance to start a new life when they reincarnate and learn from their past mistakes BUT if Todd is alive and we find him, ( i don't care if he is 80), and he did not pay for these crimes, then I will spend every spare minute, making sure it happens in this life.
Vicky
 
Hi everyone, Hi Kitn.

I have two new ideas, also I want try to put more of my ideas into a one post when I make a posting in this forum so that I don't make excessive seperate postings and take up a lot room in this forum.

Here are my ideas.

I think Kade said something about seeing Casey in heaven, if this is the case then you could take the date Casey died and calculate that the boy Kade was in the other life was heaven after that date (in order to see Casey in heaven).

My other Idea is that when Kade was talking about the kitchen untensil
he called it something like a "koje", maybe someone in that other life had a
English/Finnish dictionary and saw the word "koje" and miss-prounounced it,
(pronouncing the word in English) when it actually should have pronounced as
like "koye" (Finnish pronunciation of the word).

Wizard
 
I never thought of that Wizard. Casey was killed the day before Mother's Day, May 9th, 1998. Kade was born in 2002. The game he knew was made in 1957, but it could have been a game kept for a few years. I still think this must have happened somewhere in the late fifties or early sixities. What do you think?

What is a koye? Is is a kitchen utensil? Diyati (sounds like) is the word I would like to know what it means. He called my little black dog a diyati. I asked him if the brown dogs were diyatis and he said no. He only calls the black dog diyati. He was very excited the first time he saw her and hugged her and said "diyati, diyati." Maybe he had a small black dog named diyati?? What kind of name is Diyati?

He said his house was blue and if you sawed a hole in the floor you would fall through. This makes no sense to me. Who would saw a hole in the floor and for what purpose? I have seen in old western movies where there were root cellers under the house. They had trap doors in the floors. In the movies people hid in there from the Indians. I wonder if this is what he meant. Maybe the house was a very old house. Again, that may be just a Hollywood idea. I have never seen a house like that.
 
Good work Wizard!!!
Kitn, have you tried asking Karoliina if she knows the words diyati and koye? She is Finnish. I would keep in mind though that if Kade's former family was Finnish/Americans that they may pronounce some of the words a little differently as I think languages can get a little diluted when not spoken in the native country.
Vicky
 
Koje

Hi,
I just want to add a little more at this time, I don't have much time to work on this today. Here is what I found: In my Webster's English dictionary a utensil is also called a tool, in the Finnish dictionary a "tool" is called a koje.
In Finnish the letter "j" in the Finnish word "koje" is pronounced like a "y",
so therefore it is pronounced like "koye". Maybe Kade's other mother did'nt
understand much about Finnish so she prounounced it as "koje", and thats where Kade learned the word "koje" from in his other life.

Wizard
 
We talked about this word "koje" in the earlier thread. It indeed is Finnish and means a gadget, but even though it's spelled like that in Finnish, you pronounce it pretty much like "koye" (using the English spelling).

Diyati doesn't mean anything in Finnish.

Karoliina
 
Hi Kitn,
I heard back from the detective that was looking for the murder case. He said that he didn't find anything but that if we find out any more details to contact him again. I wrote back and thanked him for his help. I also let him know that it might not have happened in Virginia, Minnesota so maybe if he ever hears about it happening elsewhere, he'll remember us.
Sorry, there wasn't anything more conclusive.
Vicky
 
Thanks for trying Vicky. I have a nephew who is on a state police force in another state. I am going to write my aunt and explain about Kade. I am sure Rick has access to the NCIC files. He is a trooper and also transports prisoners in small planes; he is a pilot. Maybe he, or one of his buddies, can help search all states. I will have Kade tonight and maybe he will bring something up.
 
Here is a thought. Someone told me Kade may not be remembering a past life and he may instead be a medium who does not understand messages. What do you think?
 
I think if he was a medium, he wouldn't be afraid but I don't know very much about this kind of thing either.
Vicky
 
Seeker, I asked him about a sauna and he did not know.

I don't know much about mediums either. He also is very consistent on what he says. He did not say anything last night except his sisters name-Emmy. We were watching something and there was a sister. He said he remembers his sister and I said "you do what was her name?" He replied "Emmy."
 
Kade has not said anything since my last post. Maybe he has worked through his memories, or maybe he is forgetting. If he says anything I will post it. I will also post when I hear from my aunts son. That may take awhile. I still search the internet, but find nothing about a murder such as he speaks of.

He has a birthday next month-he will be four! The number he always speaks of is 5. He says he does not want to be five years old. He wants to be four, but not five. I am thinking maybe he was five in his other life; and that scares him.
 
Hi Kitn! :)

It's good to hear from you again!
It's possible that Kade's memories are starting to fade...
Keep us posted!
 
I spoke too soon. My daughter said Kade was eating today and came out with "my other mother used to put applesauce on my toast." My daughter told me she thinks that sounds gross, lol. Has anyone ever eaten this? My brother-in-law and nephew like peanut butter on toast. I like applesauce on pancakes, but never heard of it being served on toast.
 
Hi Kitn,
Good to hear from you. Glad Kade is feeling better. We are battling strep over here too.
Well, that's another piece of the puzzle. I'm willing to bet that there is some culture of folks, even if it is a culture within the American Culture that eats applesauce on toast and that someone on this forum will know about it.
I'd be curious to know if Finnish Americans living in Minnesota eat applesauce on toast.
Vicky
 
As a Finn I don't recall anyone putting applesauce on toast, but I don't find it gross or impossible either. We have that sometimes on pancakes too, but strawberry jam or somethig similar is more popular.

I always think about my late grandma when I eat applesauce. She would make loads of it every autumn, but we didn't like it that much as children because she wouldn't put very much sugar in it - so it was a bit sour.

Karoliina
 
I found recipes online when I was searching for ethnic traditions. Most say put applesauce, sprinkle with nutmeg and cinnamon and top with a slice of cheese. You put it in the oven and bake. Sounds good to me. Some recipes stated it was Danish.
 
Applesuace

Hi,
I remember that as a child that I use to put what was called "Applebutter"
on my toast. "Applebutter" is basicaly Applesauce that was made for spreading on toast or whatever else you wanted to put it on. Even though it was called "Applebutter" it contained no butter. I remember that you could buy it in the grocery stores. I have'nt seen Applebutter in grocery stores for a long time,I think that its popularity kind of faded out, but I think it was still in existance in the 1960's and 1970's. You can search for "Applebutter" on Google and you can see that it is still made. I think that one could easily put Applesauce on toast instead of Applebutter because its about the same thing.

Wizard
 
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