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Vicky it is very frustrating when you can't be of much help. My grandson I think feels like somewhere there is his "other" family. The problem is we don't know where or even when. He asked his mom how she "caught" him. I think he was asking how he got here. We don't have any answers for him. We do reassure him that he is loved. It is like he is caught in time. I really believe he thinks Emmy is some other place and so is his other mother. He is to small to tell us much of anything. He thinks too much. Last night he told me if he closes his eyes he could see his mother. Then he said "I can't see her anymore." When his mom got home from work I told her and she asked him about it and he said he was thinking about her. I don't think she is the one he was talking about at the time.

I am going to google and see if I can find anything that may help him.
Thank you and I hope you find answers also.
 
Finally maybe some headway

My daughter was talking to a man where she works tonight. He knows German but since living in the south has not used it. He said the way my grandson rolls his l's is an older form of German dialect. I may spell the words the way they sound to me, but he said the sounds are different than english spelling.

When Kade said di yati he was hugging my new dog. I have a small black and tan mutt. James said diyati if he remembers right is a German Sheppard dog. Malingo how I spell it means valley. Scullamacull is a bird he said but not sure which one. Kallavall is also a German word, and what we were taking for cupboard may mean casket in German; culpert? He did say he is rusty but to the best of his ability he believes Kade is speaking an old form of German.

Everyone I knew in the late 50's had a television set. I do not know about Europe. Maybe he was a war victim. What puzzles me is the name Todd and Emmy. Could that be German? Sein or Scene may be German; or Jewish? If not could he have been a victim other than German?

The victim lists for WWII are online but there are millions of names and hundreds of town lists. I don't know where to start.
 
I'm sorry to disappoint you, Kitn, but those words don't sound German to me at all, not even in dialect. The German of the man you asked must really have been very rusty ;)

Just FYI, a German Shepherd would be called "Deutscher Schäferhund", "valley" is "Tal" and "casket" is "Sarg".

Good luck with your search, I hope you find out more soon!
 
Thanks Reynardine for letting me know. I am disappointed but glad to have found out that he was wrong before I googled myself blind. I thought maybe he could have been correct. I am glad there are others here helping.
 
About languages...

Hiya Kitn...

May I add something here...about languages. Reynardine has a good, valid point. However - I'm sure there were many different German dialects, depending on what part of Germany one lived in. Not all will sound the same and many words will be spoken differently. A couple of examples - Among the Sioux, there are 3 dialects - Dakota (Northern), Nakota (Central) and Lakhota (Southern.) Words spoken in Dakota, will not be spoken the same in Lakhota. Also, the dialects are different. Same with Japanese born and raised in Tokyo and Kyoto. Different dialects, etc.

Also, if your son was speaking in "Old German", then it would probably sound very different from the German that is spoken today.

I'm basing this on my own experience with Japanese and with my husband's experience, growing up in Scotland. I remember my husband telling me that there are parts of Scotland where the "Old Scottish" is still spoken and he can't understand a word they're saying. "Old Japanese" was very different from that Japanese standardly spoken today.

I hope this gives you some hope...don't give up on anything. Have your daughter speak with the gentleman again and find out what part of Germany he (or his ancestors) are from. You might still find a little gem in what he said. ;)
 
Jere, you're right about dialects, but not even in the remotest German dialect would the words sound like what Kitn's grandson said. Please don't think I want to be a smart***, that's not my intention at all! Similarly, old German already sounded a lot like modern German, at least from the 8th century or so on. Can't say anything about older versions of the language, though ;)

Jere, you're right, some dialect words sound very different from the "standard" ones, but any speaker of German would recognise them immediately.

Kitn, if you speak to that man again, as Jere suggested, please share it! I'd be interested in hearing what he says :)
 
Please don't think I want to be a smart***, that's not my intention at all
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Reynardine...not what I thought at all. Sorry if I made you feel that way. I was just theorising and going by what I have experienced. ;)

I guess this story has me so intrigued...and I love trying to solve mysteries. There's a saying, "Leave no stone unturned". I was thinking along these lines when I suggested Kitn ask his daughter to speak with the gentleman once more...you never know if something that might seem insignificant might actually be the key to solving this mystery. If Kitn's daughter decides to speak with the gentleman, I look forward to hearing what he had to say. ;)
 
Jere, don't worry, you didn't make me feel like that! I only realised that my post could come across as rude, so I wanted to make sure it didn't. And of course I'm also curious about what that gentleman might say if Kitn's daughter speaks to him again!
 
No Reynardine it did not sound rude at all. The only language I know is English. I welcome any help. We had an early Thanksgiving Saturday and my father was there. He knows a little German and he spoke it to Kade and the boy did not understand any of what he said. My father only knows a few sentences learned during WWII. He also knows some Polish and the boy did not understand that either.

I do not have a clue what the boy is saying. We were talking about when he was smaller. He would start to talk in English and then babble words, which we thought at the time was just baby talk. Now we wonder if it was a foreign language.

We also discussed maybe the boy has a vivid imagination or an invisible friend. We do not think that the boy would invent a friend who would shoot his mother and himself. I had a niece who had an invisible friend named Karen, but Karen was always with her and played with her and was good. Sometimes Karen would get blamed for things my niece would do. Kade does not do this.

I am still not sure if he was "Todd" or if Todd was the shooter. He said the man who "shooted" his mother was a bad man and he was a big man; a grown up. He did see a picture of a long rifle barrell on a game John had on his lap top. Kade said the gun was like that. You could not see the stock, just the barrell.

We are tempted to find a professional who could help the boy. We live between Memphis and Nashville, TN. I don't even know if there is someone near here who would treat him. Maybe we should wait until he is a little older and more verbal. Whatever happened to him before must have been very traumatic.

Again, thank you for all the input and any suggestion or information is always welcome.
 
Kitn,
Have you contacted Carol Bowman yet? Perhaps it would be a good idea. She can recommend someone to help your grandson... ;)
 
I emailed her and she answered promptly. She did not know anyone in this area. She did say she would help by email if she could. She mentioned past life regression. Is that hypnotism?

He made another statement. He was sitting in the car seat and his dad went into the store. He said "my other dad used to bring me chocolate, but this time I don't like chocolate." He does not like sweets much at all. He does enjoy suckers, gum and fruit snacks. He does not even like frosting on cake.

I feel he knows the man who shot his mother and the other boy. When he speaks about it I ask him if he knew the bad man and he says yes. When I ask do you remember his big name he says "I don't want to talk about it." He still says he lived in Kalevale.
 
Hi Kitn,

It's probably important to say that all hypnotism is, is an altered state of consciousness. It's a naturally occurring state of mind that we dip in and out of every day such as when we're driving a regularly-travelled route or daydreaming out of the window. This is why many children recount past life experiences whilst being driven around in a car, because the hum of the engine, the gentle rocking and tendency to stare out of the window induces them into a more relaxed state where past life memories can more easily surface. I've noticed that Kade has made many past life statements whilst in his car seat.

Formal hypnosis simply allows a person to go that little bit deeper and to be guided through thoughts and memories in a more structured way. So, what I'm trying to say is that children are naturally in and out of hypnosis all the time and it's possible to recognise or induce these times to pay particular attention to what Kade is saying.

Along with paying particular attention to him in the car, the sleepy time just before he goes to sleep is also a hypnotic state. Many children (and adults) find that a gentle downwards stroking motion with one finger between the eyebrows is very inducive to creating a more relaxed state of consciousness.

I hope that helps, I just felt that the word 'hypnotism' especially with children can sometimes sound a little startling to parents/grandparents. Let me know if I can be of further help. I am currently training to be a clinical hypnotherapist and would be happy to answer any queries you may have.
 
Klarry thank you for the information. You are right about my grandson talking or remembering more while in the car seat and before bed. He also gets very involved with puppets. He talks to them as if they are real people; especially Mr Ducky. He has loved yellow ducks since he was an infant.

I was hoping to find a professional who uses play therapy. However, being relaxed to a point of remembering would be a good way also. I just did not know much about it.

I guess I remembered the movie "Audrey Rose" from years ago and it scared me to think something like that may happen to my boy.

I am going to keep him Friday night so we can bake Christmas Cookies. I will listen when we go to bed. He loves to cook and his dad says that is girl stuff. My cousin is a chef and owned restaurants in Maine, California and Memphis. He also made enough publishing 3 cookbooks to retire at an early age. I don't think that is "girl" stuff! Lord, everyone has to eat...

Happy Thanksgiving to all.
 
Happy to help Kitn - I'm very interested in Kade's memories. I can understand how films like Audrey Rose can unnerve you about past life regression but the reality of the process is nothing like Hollywood's portrayal.

The subconscious mind is very sophisticated and Kade will only let himself remember what he knows he can emotionally cope with at the time. On a more spiritual level too, research has shown that our guides simply will not let us remember something that would be harmful or devastating to know. A renowned doctor called Dr Michael Newton has found that even in deep formalised hypnotic states, a person's spirit guides will not allow certain information to be known. So, in between the safety barriers of the physical subconscious and the spiritual protection we have from our guides, past life regression is a very safe process.

It is an even more gentle process if - as I said in my last post - you simply recognise the times when Kade naturally dips into a deeper state of relaxation and see what information he voluntarily offers. Then, you can proceed with non-leading questions that you have already been asking beautifully and with great sensitivity.

Play is definitely another time when children can dip into hypnosis and for Kade, it seems like puppets are key in getting to that point of relaxation. Hypnosis is a very idiosyncratic and personal thing and what may be the switch for one person may not suit another. It's great that you're already noticing what times, and activities induce Kade to remember.

I hope you and Kade have a wonderful time baking cookies together tomorrow night and have a great Thanksgiving. :)
 
I just wanted to say goodluck Kitn , because I am so interested in your grandson's story about all of this and I am so glad that you are taking all of his thoughts and statements seriously because some people in your case might just ignore him and think it's just something silly that a toddler would do while growing up, but he is so lucky to have a grandma like you that actually listens to him and believes him that he is not just making things up. Again good luck and I will be reading up on your story and trying to help with it to the best of my knowledge!But good work so far! :laugh:
Kate
 
Domestic Violence?

Yesterday I was getting something out of the cabinet under the kitchen sink. I saw tucked into the corner one of Kade's play men. Later when he came over I asked him why he put him in there. He said he was hiding.

Last night we were playing men and he said one was Todd the bad man. He said Todd drinks beer and then is mean to his mother. He made a fist and said he punches her like this and kicks her. He said he tried to kick Todd back when he hurt his mother and Todd beat him up and kicked him hard all over. He also said Todd hurt Emmy. He said Todd killed Emmy. I asked if his other mother drank beer and he said yes and then she is mean to him.

He has said before that his mother was pretty, but she was mean. This kind of falls into place. He remembers good things about his mother too; such as working in the garden and pressing leaves with him.

He said his other Dad would take him riding in the hills, and that he brought him chocolate. He never talked of his Dad being there in the house. Maybe they were divorced or separated and Todd was his other mother's boyfriend or second husband.

This morning out of the blue he asked "Grammy will you try to find my other mother?" I told him I do not know her name so I cannot find her. He said "please don't find Todd."

Now back to googling, looking for Todd and domestic violence.
 
Yummy Stick

I don't remember if said this before. I know when I fed my kids when they were small I would pretend the spoon was an airplane and made sounds like one to get the little ones to take a bite.

Kade wanted a pickle. He put the pickle on the fork and said this was a yummy stick. I asked him what is a yummy stick. He said his other mother put food on the fork and called it a yummy stick. Has anyone ever heard of this before? I am hoping it is a regional saying.
 
HI Kitn,

Thank you for continuing to share your grandson's story. If you would like to start a new thread/post - please feel free to do so. When and if you post a new one - I will place a link to this thread in your post so that it will be easy for people to find and review. And easy for you.

I also suggest that you not only journal this - but make check lists. Make a list with catagories -and record verifications next to each item listed. Make notes on items that he could have seen on TV -heard from other kids or parents etc. Seperate the evidence from the possible influences heard or experienced in this life. Document everything! :thumbsup:

So far, your story is one of the most fascinating to come through in a while. :)
 
Your grandson seems to remember alot. Youve gotten alot of great advice on here. I would like to say tho, when searching for this Tod guy, could it be a surname and not a first name? Or maybe Emmy's lastname could be Todd?? im sure youve already thought of it, but i thought id just throw it out there. Im very interested in this. My now 7 yr old used to talk about "being big" or "when i was big" but i never paid any attention to her talking, she was a very imaginative little girl then. My 2 almost 3 yr old talks to things i cant see, and sees things i cant see. I know now to keep a note of everything that is said and seen. Good Luck in your search to this mystery.
 
Hi kitn. Did you take note of this?

"The St. Patrick's Day event seems a bit of a stretch (suffering, perhaps, from a dose of the blarney, is it now?), as the parade route demonstrates. Marchers in their green snowsuits will travel by restaurants called "Kaleva" and "Gemignani's," not to mention the Finnish Mutual Life building and a florist called Kukkakauppa. It ends at Gino's. Maybe his last name was O'Toole, but I doubt it."



Kade mentions going inside at this thing. Maybe he means Kaleva and would bring the "goodies" inside. Just a suggetion. Sorry if it has already been mentioned.
 
I think the below statement you made previously may be quiet close to the real story. Have you looked into what area this took place in? It sounds to me that Kade is mixing quite a few lives together. For instance Kalevel I believe is the place you found with the snow and hills and river (stated below) but then he says he went inside wich could be from another life time. He mentions his mother dying and a garden, his dad dying but then in the new thread you posted after this thread, he says Todd killed him. I think he's combining many memories of things that made huge impressions on his soal.

maybe......maybe not. Very interesting story hun and I hope there will be closure for him, you and the family soon.


This is what I found. I do not know if any of this fits. There was a shooting in Nepal of a whole family. Most of the family was shot in the billiard room, the youngest boy was 22 and he followed his mother into the garden where she was shot in the head. The shooter came out of a "cupboard." The shooter was the older brother and there was a sister. The father was shot in the billiard room. There was a total of 10 shot that night. I found a map of the building but lost it searching. The billiard room opened out to the "garden" which I would call a backyard or patio area. This was June 1, 2001. He was born March 28, 2002.

The family was all cremated which does not fit. The blonde hair does not fit, but his mommy now has blonde hair. It is near the Kahli Valley and there is a river and snow covered mountains. Hilly area fits. Did the boy see his father shot? I will look further. Some things sound like it could be and yet much tends to say no.

It did say the boy was good at sports. My grandson has been able to throw a straight ball since he was two. He also was interested in animals, but arn't all children?
 
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