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Question about fragmented souls

Charles Stuart said:
So then you think a psychopath needs no evolving? So the sightings of ghosts, spirits and hauntings that have been seen by so many and who are imprisoned within the physical realm are also a hoax? Certainly they are not the manifestations of "Higher Selves", but often of Soul-Spirits in dire and sad conditions. At what level are they? Certainly not at the level of a perfect "higher self". Please answer at least some of the many questions I have already asked which in my view disprove your argumentations if we are to continue this debate, instead of saying that you have "seen the light", because that reminds me of the doctrinations of the "official churches".
Believe me, it does sound to me as if you ARE kidding, and the more I think about it the more certain I am.
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Charles, I almost forgot what we were discussing originally - soul fragmentation. :laugh:


Actually, no. I don't think the psychopath needs evolving. That human being needs professional help from other human beings. The difference in our thinking may be that you see the psychopath as being a disturbed soul and I see the psychopath as being a disturbed human being. Really, when you think about it, the spiritual realms would just be absolutely bursting at the seams with disturbed souls if the conditions on the Earth are any reflection of the state of the spirit world. I wonder if you are able to see that the human being is just a host for the spirit and is not the spirit. Perhaps, you are too close to Spiritism to stand back and look at it objectively. Sometimes I envy your passion!


I am very skeptical of mediums because if the spirit world really wanted to contact humans, they would just appear before all of us and have a frank discussion with us; like "Look people this is the way it is." That has never happened. All we get is a human being that is having a personal internal experience and the "believers" are adamant that the experience of the medium is universal, that the message is truth that is meant for all humanity. That selective imparting of the "truth" should be a red flag - a warning - that there is no truth here. Well, maybe a little truth but mixed up with a whole lot of nonsense. The book you quote from is so detailed that I feel in my heart that it is just another cult - like any other organized religion. If the spirit world is so organized and together, they would have given us the "truth" thousands of years ago and they would have given it to us unambiguously and freely to every single one of us. Instead we are left with a plethora of religious beliefs that have fragmented humanity and caused much grief to many, many human beings.


I don't know if I can answer all of your questions because I am just a simple person with no great training in the ways of the world. I have only a few simple thoughts to guide me in this journey and my debating skills are very poor. However, if I were to come to your city, I would love to visit the Spirit Center and experience what it is that you have experienced. I hope that I would be welcome there.


As for ghosts, I don't know what they are. I have family that regularly see ghosts but I don't see them. So I don't want to comment too much on that except to say that it seems to me that they are having a personal internal experience.


Light and Love my friend.
 
Florence said:
Ideally...if you die, your whole soul goes into the light etc etc


Is it possible that suffering a terrible death that 9/10ths of your soul goes into the light and 1/10th stays injured and fearful in the astral....still connected to that tragic moment....maybe that is the ghost that just replays over and over....
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This I've wondered about also. I've wanted to visit the place were a friend I was with died but I don't know if that place would even still be around. That is if I could find it to start with. I'm almost sure there would have to at least be a residual haunting or be one of those places that has a 'bad feel' to it.
I think he'd be the kind of soul that would move on to the next world and stay there to help out. After I died I saw him again. But I feel some kind of energy had to have been left at that place.


I have to keep editing this stuff in. My little guy is busy today......When I refered to part of a soul being left behind I meant mine and not my friends, even though I didn't die there. I've wondered sometimes if that's why I can see it so well. Part of me is still there.
 
Hi Wednesday....(I was born on a Wednesay)


I too have a hard time not believing that a part of your soul can be left behind with a tragic past life personality, who experienced a violent death or whatever


Your then born into a new body, personality etc....but...have a nagging memory or a strange fear that you cannot account for.


as I said above....If a part of your soul is trapped in one of the layers of your souls life...is that what is meant by fragmented???


Your soul is still your own but it's separated to a degree.


I believe it was "Seth" who claimed that the soul could enlarge itself to be in two places at once but still be ONE soul. Is that what is happening??? Who knows...."Only the Shadow knows"


Ha Ha.....that's from a radio program in my childhood
 
Oh how strange Charles,


Here in America, the joke is "Trust a Brazilian to learn the realities of reincarnation and instantly they think they have a phone line to God"


(This is a joke Charlie my dear...but....it does have its point) Ha Ha couldn't resist......


Hey kiddo, if "Seth" is correct and souls can enlarge....maybe I will see my mother and Jan


I don't know about you guys but I think this discussion is very interesting and fun....much food for thought


Charles, have you researched what Mr. Kardec had to say about the possibility that souls may enlarge or fragment themselves in some fashion. I too have pondered Charles, and still am. Also since I was 15


Maybe that's the age of religious independence.
 
Hello Florence, in my life I have always felt like I was still tied to that one. It may have been because I remember it somewhat well, especially that death I mentioned above. I haven't had many days in this life were I didn't think of that memory. One of my wishes in this life is to find that place and visit it, to reconnect and reclaim whatever was lost there.


This is a note to anyone who's curious about psychopaths, then you can draw your own conclusions: There is a series that's on You Tube now called " I, Psychopath", they are following and interviewing Sam Vaknin who is a self proclaimed (and since verified) psychopath. Sam Vaknin is also in a series about Narcissism, I'll edit in the title of that series, I have to go check to see what it was called.......I checked it's called 'Egomania', it was a documentary, there are 5 segments to that series.


It's interesting stuff. This guy comes across somewhat different than the ones I've dealt with and seems like he'd be a lot easier to get along with, but he is also what he claims is a self aware narcissist and psychopath. The ones I knew and know seem completely oblivious. Sam Vaknin is also not violent unlike the ones I know so that is probably showing through also.
 
I'm sure Wednesday that you have heard or read about people getting a transplant of another person's organ. There have been several cases but the one that sticks in my mind is the woman who received a heart from a young man. The young man had been killed while riding his motorcycle.


After a period of time the woman noticed she had developed a desire for fast food that she never cared about in the past. She started stopping and buying hamburgers and fries very often.


Eventually she was introduced to the young man's parents. Some how in the conversation she mentioned her new habit and diet.


It turned out the young man was a fast food addict and actually had a small bag of french fries in his jacket pocket when he was killed.


This was not the only case of memories being stored in a body part...so why not bad memories being stored in the soul and passing on into the new body....but....is a part of the soul left behind as well. I don't know.....


Wednesday....I would say prayers about that life and ask God to take away those lingering bad feelings. Everything is brand new now....It's a new beginning.... I have asked God not to let me see terrible accidents where people are killed after seeing a horrific scene where 6 young people died. I have never seen another in many many years. The car is smashed but the driver is up talking to the police....God is good and he/she will help you....
 
Hello Florence, that's one of the strange things about that memory. I really don't want to forget it. I remember clearly swearing that I wouldn't forget someone there and I still don't want to. I guess it's more to come to terms emotionally with it.


The closest thing I can compare it to is one time I was walking my older son, who was 5 at the time, to the ice cream shop. We were walking down an alley behind some houses (small town alley, not big city one) and some kid decided to play Russian Roulette using my head instead of his own (the window of this house was RIGHT by the alleyway). I remember thinking that I could've died and wouldn't have even realized it when it happened. That memory took awhile to work it's way into some compartment in my brain. Up until then it just sat there, like it was outside of me, trying to find some catagory in my head that I could file it under (sorry this is the best way I can describe it). I could almost physically feel it outside of me until I found something in me that could accept it.


This past life memory is kind of the same thing. I don't want to forget, ever, I just need a place inside to put it, I guess.
 
Only dwell on the good memories. Everything that is bad or depressing ask God to take away. If you find a depressing thought creeping up on you....toss it out and think about the kids instead and the funny things they do


Make this a good lfe....a happy life.


Whoever that soul was....you will see them again...maybe already have...There is a strong connection there. Tell yourself that and then let it go....What will be.....will be... If you worry over it you will make it a stressful memory...and you don't want to do that
 
The thing we call "soul" was first written about in the Hindu Vedic scriptures; and, the authors clearly taught that the soul could be fragmented, destroyed, and bound to another person. They also taught that the soul resides in the heart. Then came the Dharmic scriptures of Buddhism, which taught that the soul is an illusion, which is really a person's total karma. Common ground between the two systems of thought was found by later scriptures which taught that one's soul is the karma that wraps one's spirit and prevents or alters the qualities of the spirit in the physical plane. The objective was said to be the gradual elimination of karma through repeated reincarnations until nothing would be left to differentiate ourselves from our pure spirit.


Many scholars have compared these scriptures with original and current Christian scriptures and have found that they drew heavily from the Vedic and Dharmic scriptures, which describe the soul as karma. Of course, karma was virtually eliminated from the New Testament during the time of Constantine, but residual descriptions of the soul remained; which, like the Vedic scriptures taught that the soul could be fragmented, destroyed, and bound to another person.


None of this information is meant to imply any kind of truth, nor does it adequately describe the whole history of wisdom teachings. But, when compared to recent quantum theory experiments and Talbot's theory of a holographic paradigm, the concept of being karmically attached to a person who died or to the place of death seems possible. And, stories describing character changes in heart transplant recipients might make sense.
 
This post might stray off topic a bit but it's a continuation of my earlier posts.


One of the reasons that I don't want to forget ever is that sometimes there are huge things that you can learn from tragic moments. The way I handle, or probably more often, wish I had handled, things like stress, pain, fear, and bravery all stem directly back to my friend. It's on my mind when I want to complain about little things and definitely on my mind when others complain of little things. I looked up to him in that life and he gave the ultimate show of bravery and I don't want to forget that.


This may not be fair but in this life I've gotten angry with a few men who have strutted around like they were tough guys but then they step on a lego and scream like a (fill in the blank here with your idea of wimpiness) and start yelling at everyone. That would not have been acceptable back then. Now I realize from having stepped on those things myself it's painful but seriously.......


That life taught me to stand my ground for what I believe in through thick and thin. It taught me what a real problem was vs. a perceived problem. I learned that dying with your conscience is better than living without it. I have very few regrets from that life, this life I'd probably have to make a list to remember them......I don't want to forget that life, I want to remember more of it, even the bad parts. There is a lot I can benefit from. I feel that if I came into this world remembering it that there must be a reason. That moment acts as a link to it in a way. It was emotionally charged in probably the biggest way but that's when hero's show themselves and he was a hero to me. I just need a place in my mind to file that memory. Maybe I'm not supposed to. I still want to visit that place again though if it's still standing.
 
wednesday said:
One of the reasons that I don't want to forget ever is that sometimes there are huge things that you can learn from tragic moments. The way I handle, or probably more often, wish I had handled, things like stress, pain, fear, and bravery all stem directly back to my friend. It's on my mind when I want to complain about little things and definitely on my mind when others complain of little things. I looked up to him in that life and he gave the ultimate show of bravery and I don't want to forget that.
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My heart goes out to you, Wednesday, along with some regret for not having discovered such heroes in this life to compare with your past life friend. Remembering such things in the past may actually be a part of our purpose for being here, and you now have a necessary experience to serve as a benchmark for future evaluation.


Although there seem to be few heroes in your present life, we both know that they are out there. However, as you have learned, one must become the hero at times when there are no others to stand up for you, or for a cause you believe in. Sometimes, one needs the example of another hero to face things by ourselves. That is the karma that makes up your soul right now.


Sometime in a future life, however, you may no longer need that memory to stand courageous and alone in the face of life's fearsome beasts; because you will have eliminated that part of your karma. But, ridding oneself of karma does not mean that it is bad, or that your memories are wrong to hold close to you. Karma is neither bad nor good. It is simply who we are and where we are headed. It is formed by our past, and is the only thing that separates us from pure spirit. But, being separated from pure spirit is not bad, if we are still on the learning path.


There is often more joy and satisfaction in being a student. As students, we look forward to much of what life has to offer on this plane. There is nothing wrong with just being a student, even if we know that we have not yet "graduated". Graduation in itself would be anti-climactic after going through what is necessary. Ask any gold-medal olympian. They will often value the experience of reaching for the reward much more than the reward itself. So, your memories are a part of you as a student, and, therefore, part of your karma. If you find yourself alone with your problems (your karma) seek out people of like mind as you are now. There is great comfort in being able to share in a place like this.
 
Florence said:
I found an article on "Soul Fragmentation" by a Dr. Michael G. Millet. He deals with it often in his practice. Evidently your soul can do more than I ever imagined.
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Thanks Flo!


I wish my soul could do great things, but I seem to fit Dr. Millet's definition of a fractured soul. No matter how hard I meditate, there are very few childhood memories before 5 years old.
 
That was an interesting link Florence. It brings up the issue of attachments too which I've wondered about at times, not for me personally though ( I read too many ghost stories, lol, another interest of mine).


One thing about my memories is that I can remember back until I was around 4 months I think...not much to measure time with back then but I know I wasn't crawling. My memory from about 2 years and on is extremely good. I can remember the moon landing and I would have been just over 2 years then, actually it was the conversation between my parents during the moon landing that I remember, lol, it was a classic.


Thanks for that response Nightrain. It makes sense. I wonder that if it is true that a person chooses their life then maybe I knew I was in for a doozey and needed that memory, and yes, there have been very few people in this life that I could look up to. I have met some very good people that do all they can to help others though and they are good role models. I haven't lost faith in people, I just learned that there are some pretty nasty people out there also and some of them are really good at disguising themselves as normal people.


Somehow I think some things in this life are in preparation for the next one. It's just a feeling in the background. I still think that most things happen for a purpose even if we don't know what it is. Some things that happen in this life may benefit greatly in another.


Back to splintered souls. I wondered about childhood abuse in two of the sociopaths I knew/know. They both were adopted out or in foster care early but I don't think the reason was anything other than poverty. I'm wondering if it had more to do with no attachment or broken attachment to someone at that age along with biology working against them. The third had never been taken away but his mom had other issues and her kids weren't her priority. They seem to have abandoned any kind of hope to connect emotionally and instead focused their attention on using people to get their way. The third one, which was my ex, seemed to have vacated all but his most basic self which may have explained the 'nothing ' I saw that time. Some of the sources I've seen or read though mentioned that there really isn't much of a connection of abuse to sociopathy so who knows. I know lots of people who had it worse than any of these three and grew up to be very good people so maybe there is something in the soul that's the cause.
 
Florence said:
Do you believe it is possible to reincarnate with a portion of your soul remaining in the astral as a ghost?
I'm asking this because I watched a TV program where they were thinking they contacted the soul of Hitler and, I believe, after all of these years he has probably reincarnated. I think one of the older members on this forum spoke of having seen him. A member who knew him quite well in a past life and a person who I tend to believe


Some time ago I also watched another program where a woman claimed to be haunted, to do with a very old house in the Southern USA. I was supposed to be a true story. It turned out that the ghost was a fragment of her former self with a message....


Has anyone ever come across this or read about this possibility????


It makes me wonder, if in some of our members cases of dramatic and violent deaths, whether a part of their soul has been left behind in the astral and if in remembering they reclaim it. Maybe that is why those lives seem to be more easily remembered because a part of their soul is missing in THIS life.....Sound crazy???
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i quoted you so i can refer to what you had written.


first i will answer your last question, the lives that are easiest to remember are those in which our bodies are still on the earth, either buried in a coffin or in a tomb somewhere. When the body stays, the vibration is stronger. when it is burned up or decomposes, the energy is released to a greater degree from the earth. So, more recent lives, or ancient lives where the body was intentionally preserved, such as the egyptians carried out, those will have more bearing, exert more pressure upon us.


as for the fragmented soul, yes the soul fragments itself with each successive incarnation that deviates from truth/reality. As we create karma, we do this, and this is what karma is. not an easy thing to explain, but another thing i can say about it is - some incarnations deviate from the soul very far, and they get stuck somewhere, and they will make up a block of karmas, a chunk of the self is missing somewhere, basically residing in the stuck portion of self.
 
freebird4747 said:
the lives that are easiest to remember are those in which our bodies are still on the earth, either buried in a coffin or in a tomb somewhere. When the body stays, the vibration is stronger. when it is burned up or decomposes, the energy is released to a greater degree from the earth.
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Hello Freebird. Welcome to the Forum.


I would be interested in finding out if you read this somewhere? Or, is it your own theory?
 
Being on the Earthly plane I don't think we can get 100%.
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Florence, with all the different views expressed on this interesting thread, I think that's the one thing we could agree on 100% ;D


Nighttrain, on what freebird wrote about cremation releasing the soul energy from the body:


That is taught in the Hindu religion, where cremation is the rite that reconnects the individual spirit with the universal soul. With no body left to feel attached to, the spirit is supposed to be free to go.
 
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