Recieving information from a source

[SeaAndSky]

Hi John,


You are, indeed, moving into very exciting territory--both for yourself and for those of us who are following you.


From my standpoint, I think too many people are obsessing about the Bible passage in question. "Vengeance is mine" means to leave the whole matter in the hands of God--to work out as God wills. It moves on to speak of doing good to your enemies instead--which is self-explanatory. The observation that this will heap coals of fire on their head is obviously not meant literally (how would this have anything to do with doing good to them?). In my experience, this is always seen as figurative language, typically for making the folks who have injured you reconsider what/why they are doing what they do and hopefully become ashamed of themselves, and even more hopefully bringing them to repent of their treatment of the injured party.


There also seems to be a lot of "over-thinking" of the idea expressed in "Vengeance is mine"--which basically means to set aside your own idea of how to deal with the situation and give up the idea of proper response to God. It goes without saying that God's idea of what to do is not necessarily the same as ours. From what I can tell from various case reports, the idea of individual "karma" as a mechanical, mathematical balancing act is invalid. It appears that this is a system that works, and is applied by an administrative apparatus, to do whatever is necessarily to convince the individual wrong-doer of the wrong and make sure it is not repeated; it appears to be far more of a system for education than a tit-for-tat system of retribution (i.e., "soft karma" rather than "hard karma"). I do not know how it works on a societal (corporate) basis, but it may be more harsh (hard karma) there. In either case, God's idea of how to handle these situations is clearly far different from our often more emotional response. (BTW--I was interested to hear that "Let go and let God" was now "New Age"--this is an expression that--to the best of my recall--goes back many decades among Christians).


Anyhow, I'm not as interested in these matters as I am in others, particularly the religious balance and accommodation you seem to be striking between Christianity and Egyptian Gods, including seeking to harmonize various ideas of an impending "judgment" and aftermath, and working with both Bible passages and your individual (or source shared) insights/ideas.


Cordially,


S&S

 

[Blueheart]

I'm beginning to wonder and question how many times the pure spiritual me reincarnated into Ancient Egypt.. I'm now sure it was far more than once, just as those who believe in family reincarnation. Its very possible I went back time and time again

I would think so too. Predynastic, 5th dynasty pyramid age, and perhaps, based on the ba bird, Ptolemaic?


No thanks needed. I have been on an ancient Egypt kick for quite a while now. (Can you tell??) I love the chance to "talk" about it.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Blueheart,


I've been thinking for a while that the forum needed a "Mysteries of Egypt" thread. Maybe under "Scientific and Anecdotal" or maybe even better under the catch-all "Tea and Coffee". There are so many things to look at there, including the new discoveries of potential hidden rooms in the Great Pyramid. I'm extremely interested in the idea of Egypt as a legacy civilization having roots in a possible antediluvian civilization (Atlantis anyone?). However, even outside of my possible fanciful ideas, there is a huge amount to be interested in here, and a lot of folks who seem to have passed through Egypt in PLs.


I've been toying with the idea, but you're really the person better suited to the task. What do you think?


S&S

 

[Mere Dreamer]

Speaking of the idea of pre-Egyptian history, I am finally reading The Emerald Tablets of Thoth. You might find this interesting, John. I have no idea how far back it really goes, but it's a poetic take on one possible history, and it definitely has a lot of reference to reincarnation.

 

[John Tat]

Mere Dreamer


Thanks for tablets of troth I began to read them but will need to take my time and try and understand what is being said


For the first time I read your lives .. I found them very interesting and very relevant to this thread. Its interesting how we differ on how this happens. You appear to be living them in real time whereas I on the majority of times feel like I'm remembering and are being shown how things were and what I did. Very little of it is in real time .. for example I'm meditating and doing all I can to sort out and try to understand my vision of a time when I questioned the heritage of the gods, and I did, I now believe that.. It could be something like, thousands of years before the emergence of Ra ,Osiris, Seth and so on there were the original gods, the original gods of the Ancient Egyptians. There is little doubt in me the spiritual me that the known gods of Ancient Egypt were far from being the original gods of the Ancient Egyptians. I (the present physical me) has no knowledge or understanding were its believed these modern gods came from, but at some point long ago I did question their heritage, most likely because none of them came from the original gods .As a result things are now far more complicated for me. Once again this is the last thing I needed..I'm saying this Mere Dreamer to point out how things are different for us in how we remember. You see, I'm not remember lives I'm remembering events the pure spiritual me has lived, which is a big difference.


I still have a long way to go on this, but somewhere there must evidence of these original gods and who they were

 

[Blueheart]

Hi SeaAndSky,


There have been some really interesting "teasers" coming out of Egypt lately, hasn't there? Unfortunately, such a topic tends to go into territory that makes me itch rather quickly. Fanciful, indeed.


Anyway . . . I really have no time for this today, but John, I think you are pitching this one right in my wheelhouse, so to speak. Do you know anything, anything at all about Akhenaten and what is now called the Amarna revolution?


He, a few years into his reign, pulled up stakes, and went searching for ground along the Nile that was not dedicated to any other god. As you can imagine, this was not an easy task, there are so many of them. Once he discovered the perfect spot, he founded a new city, dedicated it to The Aten, and declared that for as long as he lived, he would not set foot outside of the boundaries of the sun disk's new city. He basically turned his back on all the other gods that had gone before, highlighting instead a minor aspect of the sun god.


He, either directly or indirectly, put an end all of the rituals and processions that had been going on for centuries. Instead, he and his dedicated group of followers created new rituals that harked back to Zep Tepi, the first time, the moment of creation.

 

[John Tat]

Blueheart


No I have never heard anything about the Amarna revolution or Zep Tepi. But I understand that if his spiritual had reincarnated many times and had come from the original Ancient Egyptians and there gods he would have been almost honour bound to go back to what he knew was the truth


I will now research all of this... Thanks once again


Its all a bit scary isn't it?

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi John,


The Emerald Tablet material linked may be interesting, but there is no real proof of its ancientness or authenticity. (The background story reminds me a bit of Joseph Smith--founder of the Mormon's--and his tale of ancient golden tablets (from which he allegedly derived the Book of Mormon). Hence, it may be interesting and even full of ancient truths (I haven't read much of it myself), but I'm not sure it is what you're looking for. It seems to primarily be a format adopted by the author for discussing and promoting certain esoteric ideas. (Once again, I'm not knocking content, which I haven't read, I just don't think its ancientness and authenticity has been in any way established). BTW--The original "Emerald Tablet" disclosure is discussed here, and is far shorter:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tablet


This type of thing is related to Hermeticism, which does have ancient Greek/Egyptian origins. If you're interested in that, you might want to start by looking at the Wikipedia articles regarding same and its supposed founder Hermes Trismegistus (also called "Thoth").


Cordially,


S&S

 

[John Tat]

Hi once again Blueheart


I'm a little freaked out right now about something I remembered way back on your post #30. You talked about Amenemhat and I replied in post #32 that my source long ago talked about someone with a name something like that, who believed he had reincarnated from the long distant future.. But say I misunderstood, which I often do , and what was really communicated to me was, from the long distant past


I understand our imagination can play tricks with us, but its so close to what you talked about.. These things that come back time and time again and haunt the physical me is very scary

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Blueheart,


Just remember, if you don't start the thread someone with more enthusiasm (and credulity) like me will probably start it and make a hash of it. So give it some thought.


On Aten and Atenism . . . . very interesting. I was aware of the brief exaltation of a single deity in Egypt, but not a lot of the rest of the story (at least to the extent one can get it from reviewing the articles on Aten, Atenism and Akhenaten on Wikipedia). This makes me wonder whether John abandoned the multitude of gods for Aten, and whether he is coming back to Aten after wandering away from him (or back to the multitude after worshiping Aten?).


The single God concept would certainly fit in better with what he is saying about judgment for Christians, in which case I suppose Aten might be understood and worshiped in different ways by different religions, appearing in Egyptian guise to Egyptians and in Christian guise to Chistians, etc. In any case, I think this kind of thing would be of interest to him from the Wikipedia article on Atenism:


"Although idols were banned—even in people's homes—these were typically replaced by functionally equivalent representations of Akhenaten and his family venerating the Aten, and receiving the ankh (breath of life) from him." (Emphasis added).


Cordially,


S&S

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi John,


Actually, my speculation fits better with the "old" god on the other side of the conflict with Aten: Amun or Amun-Ra. This god was of supreme importance through much of Egyptian history. Here are some excerpts from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun:


"Amun-Ra retained chief importance in the Egyptian pantheon throughout the New Kingdom (with the exception of the "Atenist heresy" under Akhenaten). Amun-Ra in this period (16th to 11th centuries BC) held the position of transcendental, self-created creator deity "par excellence", he was the champion of the poor or troubled and central to personal piety. His position as King of Gods developed to the point of virtual monotheism where other gods became manifestations of him. . . ."


"In the New Kingdom, Amun became successively identified with all other Egyptian deities, to the point of virtual monotheism (which was then attacked by means of the "counter-monotheism" of Atenism). Primarily, the god of wind Amun came to be identified with the solar god Ra and the god of fertility and creation Min, so that Amun-Ra had the main characteristic of a solar god, creator god and fertility god. . . . besides numerous other titles and aspects. . . ."


"In the Leiden hymns, Amun, Ptah, and Re are regarded as a trinity who are distinct gods but with unity in plurality. The three gods are one yet the Egyptian elsewhere insists on the separate identity of each of the three. This unity in plurality is expressed in one text: All gods are three: Amun, Re and Ptah, whom none equals. He who hides his name as Amun, he appears to the face as Re, his body is Ptah. . . ."


"The hidden aspect of Amun and his likely association with the wind caused Henri Frankfort to draw parallels with a passage from the Gospel of John: "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. . . ."


All of this is, as usual, very interesting stuff. It makes me wonder whether you were a priest of Amun, who abandoned him for Aten. Of course, there may have been a still older God or gods, which you seek. I'm just speculating.


Cordially,


S&S

 

[Mere Dreamer]

The Emerald Tablet material linked may be interesting, but there is no real proof of its ancientness or authenticity. (The background story reminds me a bit of Joseph Smith--founder of the Mormon's--and his tale of ancient golden tablets (from which he allegedly derived the Book of Mormon). Hence, it may be interesting and even full of ancient truths (I haven't read much of it myself), but I'm not sure it is what you're looking for. It seems to primarily be a format adopted by the author for discussing and promoting certain esoteric ideas. (Once again, I'm not knocking content, which I haven't read, I just don't think its ancientness and authenticity has been in any way established).
This type of thing is related to Hermeticism, which does have ancient Greek/Egyptian origins. If you're interested in that, you might want to start by looking at the Wikipedia articles regarding same and its supposed founder Hermes Trismegistus (also called "Thoth").

I sometimes wonder where these (ancient or not) "books of true truth" come from. It may very well be that the individuals who find or write them are remembering old beliefs or lives, and attempting to correct the world back to previous systems and cultures.


Given how realistic visions can feel, it wouldn't surprise me if they "found" their Scriptures as they claim, and copied them out of the (possible) spiritual memory dimension where they were found. Truth often has a lot more to do with context than content. And when a belief is out of context it can become warped. Warped truth is destructive or virtually impossible to apply, but the appropriate context will straighten it out again.


(^^^This idea is very much in process, so take it for the vapor of a theory that it is.)


John, your questions and memories often have a feel in them that this is something you've believed strongly (for many lifetimes?) restoring itself to your human consciousness at this point. Now that you're trying to find the remnants of that knowledge in modern times, you know when a perspective fits and when it doesn't quite match. That super-specific focal point sure can be hard to pin down for the rest of us, who don't have the same history for comparison, though.


I think my memories fit who I am, why I'm here, and how I live. The difference between our memories is a bit like comparing the processing style of various apps. You and I access past life information through different programs and extrapolate it into certain imagery for different purposes according to our lives, perspectives, and goals.


In the end, so long as we both gain wisdom and live our callings, I think that however it works is the way remembering is meant to work according to each individual's need.


I certainly need more than one tool to create art, even when I limit my perspective to the tangible. In a similar way, I can't imagine that the creativity of the universe is so restricted that there is no variety in how it works toward larger goals through various lives.

 

[tanguerra]

In the end, so long as we both gain wisdom and live our callings, I think that however it works is the way remembering is meant to work according to each individual's need.

Wise words MD.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Mere,


I agree with what I take to be one of the primary premises of your post, namely that John cannot be bound by what is the currently accepted history/wisdom of the ancients (including Egypt) in seeking his original beliefs and history. Thus, trying to squeeze his story and PL beliefs into some currently know historic event may simply not work.


In the past, John has used various known facts (or premises) about Ancient Egypt, its writings, symbols and beliefs, as triggers and stepping-stones, subjecting them to a process of confirmation within himself and via his "source". But, now that I think about it, the material you have posted may be useful for the same purpose. I can't say that it is authentic, but maybe his own resources will affirm it as being authentic. If not, it still may act as some type of trigger or stepping-stone that leads him further down his path.


Cordially,


S&S

 

[Mere Dreamer]

But, now that I think about it, the material you have posted may be useful for the same purpose. I can't say that it is authentic, but maybe his own resources will affirm it as being authentic. If not, it still may act as some type of trigger or stepping-stone that leads him further down his path.

That's why I shared it. There is a chance that the source of this material is somehow related to what he needs to know. Even if it only triggers denial it can still be useful to clarify what doesn't fit his memory.

 

[John Tat]

I have done some research on Zep Tepi and found it was not a person but a period in time.. You have to be a little understanding of what is going on with me.. This is another example of my true situation. Me (the physical me) had no prior understanding or knowledge about Ancient Egypt and its history.. Everything I'm posting on this thread comes from both my source and the pure spiritual me.. I do make physical guess's and assumptions and physical searches for verification


of the communications . I have to stop myself from making speech's and statement's which I feel I made long ago, that contradicts many beliefs about Ancient Egypt, and would seen and make me look foolish. I could make a whole speech about how the tribes of the Nile through a spiritual occurrence became one bought together by the original gods and became "Egyptians" There is so much, so much that is not understood

 

[Mere Dreamer]

I could make a whole speech about how the tribes of the Nile through a spiritual occurrence became one bought together by the original gods and became "Egyptians" There is so much, so much that is not understood

Oh? That kind of scene is described from the perspective of the god-like being who is also the supposed writer of the emerald tablets. I find it interesting you would mention something similar to the event I read a few days ago.


I'll just excerpt that section and see if it sounds similar to what you've been discovering.


Scene: Atlantis is being destroyed and the remaining citizens are evacuated by the leader, who is telling this story:

Gathered I then my people and
entered the great ship of the Master.


Upward we rose into the morning.


Dark beneath us lay the Temple.


Suddenly over it rose the waters.


Vanished from Earth,


until the time appointed,


was the great Temple.


Fast we fled toward the sun of the morning,


until beneath us lay the land of the children of KHEM.


Raging, they came with cudgels and spears,


lifted in anger seeking to slay and utterly destroy the Sons of Atlantis.


Then raised I my staff and directed a ray of vibration,


striking them still in their tracks as fragments


of stone of the mountain.


Then spoke I to them in words calm and peaceful,


telling them of the might of Atlantis,


saying we were children of the Sun and its messengers.


Cowed I them by my display of magic-science,


until at my feet they groveled, when I released them.


Long dwelt we in the land of KHEM,


long and yet long again.

He goes on to speak of building pyramids there...


If it's not at all the same, then who knows whether the rest of it will seem relevant. It's interesting to think about either way.

 

[John Tat]

Mere Dreamer


The quote from the emerald tablet is very interesting.. I will explain how this works some of the time for me. What I said about the tribes of the Nile is a good example. After mediating several weeks' ago I was lying in bed and said to myself there were originally tribes living along the Nile.. These ideas after meditating must come from my source because I have never considered or known anything about almost all of them


The next day I googled to see if in fact there were tribes living along the Nile thousands of years ago, and I found there was. These things no longer surprise me in fact I would have been surprised if there had been none. The next night when I was meditating I asked my source what all this about the tribes of the Nile. That's how I talk to him now. If he thinks I'm ready to know he well tell if not there is no reply, complete silence


He told me about the tribes of the Nile, and how they lived in individual groups as tribes. He told me in great detail how it was and I began to cry, that's how attached I was to what he was saying. He said BB of course you remember. Then I said we became one, we became Egyptian's.. He said yes BB the original gods guided us and we become one.. I said there is no such thing as missing links is there? He said no BB there is not, there was and is only the original gods, (always more than one)


These original tribes of the Nile became one they became Egyptians. They marched into history and created the greatest civilisation the world has ever seen. What a magnificent monument Ancient Egypt is to these people, the tribes of the Nile..

 

[SeaAndSky]

John,


Regarding your statement: "I have to stop myself from making speech's and statement's which I feel I made long ago, that contradicts many beliefs about Ancient Egypt, and would seen and make me look foolish. I could make a whole speech about how the tribes of the Nile through a spiritual occurrence became one bought together by the original gods and became "Egyptians" There is so much, so much that is not understood"


Please do not hesitate to put forth anything you have received, either from your pure spiritual self or source. You may have been "back then" when the events you mention occurred, or you may have been in Egypt during later periods of recorded history but still have knowledge that was preserved and known by those who retained such knowledge. I think "civilization" is far older than most realize, e.g.--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe.


I am very eager to hear what you have to say on these matters, and I think others here would join me in that.


Cordially,


S&S

 

[Mere Dreamer]

After mediating several weeks' ago I was lying in bed and said to myself there were originally tribes living along the Nile.. These ideas after meditating must come from my source because I have never considered or known anything about almost all of them
The next day I googled to see if in fact there were tribes living along the Nile thousands of years ago, and I found there was. These things no longer surprise me in fact I would have been surprised if there had been none. The next night when I was meditating I asked my source what all this about the tribes of the Nile. That's how I talk to him now. If he thinks I'm ready to know he well tell if not there is no reply, complete silence


He told me about the tribes of the Nile, and how they lived in individual groups as tribes. He told me in great detail how it was and I began to cry, that's how attached I was to what he was saying. He said BB of course you remember. ...

This sounds a lot like what happens for me when I'm not having an actual vision of something. It's like receiving a report on the events.

He said yes BB the original gods guided us and we become one.. I said there is no such thing as missing links is there? He said no BB there is not, there was and is only the original gods, (always more than one)

Interesting. This fits with a common theme among those who meditate. They may not always use the term "gods" (though one could argue the other words have similar meanings) but the beings who demonstrate exceptional and overwhelming powers are generally plural.


Like S&S I'm also interested in the details you learned from your source. You may find that some individuals who study less commonly acknowledged history may actually have evidence that lines up with what you've heard. And even if nobody can confirm what you've learned it will be interesting to hear your perspective on this, if you're willing to share it.

 

[John Tat]

Blueheart'..... After mediating last night something came to me about you. Some of these thoughts after meditating can be very significant. I was taken back to you post, post #42 on this thread, when you were talking about the circle with motion I had been seeing since a child. You said you could swear you had seen that somewhere, you thought it may have been a movie and you asked your husbands advise, but he has never seen it.. I believe you must try and find where you have seen what I have seen, many times it could be of immense importance to you. You see, these are things that have happened to me all of my life which up until recently I thought little about them, I just said to myself, this is my imagination and I must have seen that and cannot remember... Why are you so drawn to Ancient Egypt?


You talked about Akhenaten.. I researched him and read plenty about him It was very interesting, but I could have never been him or had anything to do with him. I understand a little more now about this, why I questioned the heritage of the gods


Its all very complicated and interwoven with Ancient Egyptian society, culture and the gods. Different to what is believed its now my belief Egyptians did not have a universal view and understanding about the gods. This went through all of the levels of there society all the way through to the priests, high priests and the pharaohs. I could write pages and pages why this was the case, but at this point it is not relevant


If what I now believe is true and I go back to the tribes of the Nile and reincarnated time and time again into Ancient Egypt, I feel it was extremely important to me to keep reminding the people where we had come from, and the original gods who helped us make it happen. For that reason I did query over and over again why the original gods were not part of the heritage of the gods.. I believe I challenged with everything I had the legacy that was being recorded for future generations of Egyptians to see, and turned out in the end to be a legacy for the world to see, a narrow view not only of Egyptian spiritual issues but Egyptian society in general by those educated enough and with the influence to record their narrow views of how they wanted it to be.. That is what the Egyptian scholars of today study... That's enough.....That's enough....Stop

 

[Blueheart]

Why are you so drawn to Ancient Egypt?

Well, I was brought up with a love of history. It was one of my majors. That said, you are not wrong. I have at least one brief memory full of sun, dust, and a lot of noise.


I brought up Akhenaten, not because I thought you were him, but because I do suspect you were a part of what was going on there. (Keep in mind, much of what you can find on the Internet is biased or incomplete. Lots of people use Akhenaten and ancient Egypt in general to push various agendas, in my opinion.)This is why I pointed him out to you.


1. You are, if I may characterize it this way, a bit disgusted with what the ancient Egyptian gods have become and how they are being used, both now, and then. You have concluded they are not what they were supposed to be. Akhenaten, most likely, was too. He broke off with all the other gods, perhaps for this reason. When I say this, I mean the kingship / priesthood age-old relationship was broken off. What the vast majority of Egyptians believed was an entirely different matter.


2. Akhenaten tried to go back to the beginning, to the moment of creation, before the main gods (the Ennead. There were 9) were brought into the word and re-create it all over again. You have turned your thoughts lately to the "heritage" of the gods. So did he and the "true believers" who went with him.


3. There is a connection between something Akhenaten, himself, wrote and Psalm 104. You, also, have a connection to Christianity and the bible.


4. You expressed a desire to find some proof. Well, the 18th dynasty is light years away from pre-history, but there is plenty of real, tangible proof available there, of people who seem to have walked a parallel path to your current (and possibly past) path.

 

[Blueheart]

Different to what is believed its now my belief Egyptians did not have a universal view and understanding about the gods. This went through all of the levels of there society all the way through to the priests, high priests and the pharaohs.

Ok. Just so you know, this is not a view from left field. The scholars believe this too. Things can become muddled from a quick overview online.


At the bottom of the social ladder you would have the slaves, farmers, and other commoners. They would never, I repeat, never be allowed into a temple to pray. The best they could hope for would be to touch the walls on the outside, and see a procession on a festival day. Maybe, they could get into the forecourt of a temple, or if they knew someone on the inside, bribe them to put a word in for them. As a result, the gods the common people turned to were not ones that would come up on top of a Google search. Bes pops to mind. He helped women in childbirth, but has no temples, as far as I know.


Each village would have their own god / goddess or two. When the local boy made good, so to speak, he would "elevate" his choice by founding a temple. For instance, soldier goes off to war and does not die. Soldier does great things in battle that are witnessed by the king. He attributes his life and success to the favor of the god of his hometown, and the locals think, this god is "greater" than the rest. Local boy goes home with his winnings and founds a temple to said hometown god. (Example: Horemheb, elevating Horus of Hansu) So, what you see is certain cities would grow an affinity for one god vs. another.


Now, as different kings came to the throne, they would bring their hometown gods to the Capitol with them. Hometown god was now a state god, and would get bigger temples and more of the spoils when they came back from war. In such a way, all of the gods and goddesses and their symbols became intricately woven into the kingship; Ra from the delta area, Ptah from Memphis, Amun from Thebes etc. etc.


Now . . . Climbing the social ladder . . . You have the scribes, priests, noblemen, at the very top. Only a small percent of the population could read and write, something like 1 to 10%. To be a lector priest, one of the lower levels in the hierarchy of priests, you would have to be able to read. Your whole livelihood would depend on the king continuing to support your temple with gifts. You would do anything and everything in your power to ensure your god stayed on top of the hierarchy, and so, got a bigger slice of the pie. Fights did break out over who's god was the best and so on. It is said that Amun's sacred geese were roasted in the heart of his temple and eaten by his enemies. These enemies, remember, were on the very tipy top of the society, and it was all connected. Politics was religion, and vice versa.


So, no, there was not one united view of the gods, although attempts were made to unite a few. Most common people probably had nothing to do with anything we would think of as religious today. Their outlook was more magical, if anything.


Most kings, would try to integrate the gods and the different factions, in their very divine person. Of course, their favorite gods would have a slight edge, but that was about it.


And so, you see, what you write here is in line with what is known in history.

I believe I challenged with everything I had the legacy that was being recorded for future generations of Egyptians to see

 

[Blueheart]

Just one more quick note. If what I wrote above is too much to digest right now, or you want to look at Egypt's pre-history instead, I get it. And, yes, it is scary when it stops being theoretical and starts being real. Slow down, if it is too much. If it is not as exciting and compelling as it is scary, then stop. You really do have . . . all the time in the world.

 

[John Tat]

Blueheart


Thanks for all the information you post for me. It really is very helpful. I'm beginning to look up and read about the 18th dynasty. There is plenty out there from all over the place. I'm going to have to try and put it in some sort of order.


I'm keen to learn more about the original tribes. The little I have found so far does not sit well with me. To me it doesn't add up or make sense to me, so I don't know what to make of that. I will continue looking..When I read most of it, deep inside the spiritual me I know that its not right. It just wasn't like that. I'm searching inside the spiritual me about Akhenaten. Again this does not sit well with me. I'm confused because maybe Raser was called upon to end the chaos caused by Akhenaten and restore balance. It looks to me like Raser destroyed everything he could that was connected to Akhenaten, which is what he does to restore balance . Maybe that's my imagination but maybe its not, I don't know, but at the same time it goes against my belief's about the original gods, that Raser would do that, so I just don't know what to think

 

[SeaAndSky]

John,


I think it would be helpful if you summarized everything you know or think you know about the gods, the after-life, reincarnation, yourself, etc. There has been so much over a long period, some of which you may now be reconsidering, that it is hard to keep up. And, I do want to keep up.


Cordially,


S&S


PS--I agree with your central premise. It does not seem to me that your experiences really fit into historical and cultural template (as currently known). This is especially true as to the "gods" and their nature.

 

[John Tat]

While mediating with my spiritual self last night not my source this is what he told, I would think because of the confusion the physical me is having over chaos.. He said the chaos itself did not concern us, it was the source and the reasons for the chaos that was of concern to us ,and that must be rectified


This is very likely different to what is believed about chaos in Ancient Egypt.. Rising from the seas of chaos was the solution to ending chaos. The chaos itself was secondary.


Maybe the Egyptian scholars understood this about chaos, but I didn't until now

 

[John Tat]

SeaAndSky


To do that is not possible. Its far two interwoven and connected that it would take a book to explain it all. To pick out bits and pieces out of context would be no good. I'm sure that is the reason that what I say many times makes no sense or offends because it is not complete


I believe for it all to work as I have told you before you have to be very clear about who and what you are. You must have complete faith and trust in the pure spiritual you, and always turn to him which I understand is difficult for you because of your religious beliefs


You are right, as I understand and learn more my beliefs do not actually change but they go to a higher level of understanding


A good example is the most recent one. I now believe the pure spiritual me does go back to the original tribes of the Nile and the original gods. To fully comprehend how long ago that was I had to say to myself how will the world be between 8015 and 10015 in the future? thousands and thousands of years before the established religions of today including Moses and the birth of Jesus, the original gods came to the tribes of the Nile.. I'm beginning to believe it was they who taught us amongst many other things that the spirit within each of us the pure spiritual us is what it is all about, and that is why I now understand why I have always believed that and said so many times on this forum. That is just one example how my understandings of what is going on grows and grows, and because there are so many of them all interwoven and connected it would not be possible to do what you ask


Regards

 

[John Tat]

Blueheart


After mediating last night I was thinking about the vision I had a while back when connected to my source of a pyramid rising out of the seas of chaos with Ba on top of the pyramid pointing at me, how the significance of that changes now I have been told rising from the seas of chaos is the solution and the chaos itself is secondary. My physical imagination could run wild with that, so I have to find out more from the pure spiritual me and my source..

 

[Blueheart]

There were those who did do everything they could to destroy evidence of Akhenaten and what he did, after the fact. Previous to that, it seems there were those who followed Akhenaten, who did everything they could to erase evidence of the other gods.


That said, the pyramid / Ba image seems to be a touchstone for you. It certainly could not hurt to explore it some more.