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I'm asking this question for my own understanding. I have never read any of these books in fact I have not even read any books about reincarnation. My knowledge and understandings comes from source. Are those of you who read these books looking for conformation about your beliefs or are you looking to gain knowledge and understanding from others? My understandings of what this is all about are not in books or anywhere else . It must come from a source including your deep spiritual self. I'm interested to know what things are you searching for by reading these books?
 
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Hi John,


We all depend on the witness of others for testimony on the things we haven’t seen, know or experienced for ourselves. The more “reliable” witnesses to a certain point, the more reliable the information is deemed to be. Plus, different witnesses bring different viewpoints, perspectives and insights to the same phenomena, just as you and I would if we went to the same event. When you put all your eggs in one basket, depending on only a limited number of “private” informants as you do, you are more subject to having reliability issues in terms of the information given and to being potentially misled. This seems especially true when the information you say you have been given doesn’t agree with many prior witnesses, living and dead, and to the overall consensus of these witnesses. I.e., you have a verification problem in the eyes of others and should consider this issue yourself.


Of course, to paraphrase the poet, you are entitled to follow the beat of your own drummer, no matter how measured and far away. And, you theoretically could be correct with everyone else being wrong. But we are also entitled to follow the beat of our own drummers as well. And, I think we are more likely to be correct in terms of both methodology and results.


Cordially,


S&S
 
Your answers gave a greater understanding of how all of this works for you. I'm glad I asked. I now understand I'm the one coming out of left field. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing. KenJ is right when he talked about ego. We cannot allow our egos to blur our thoughts and communications.


Sea and Sky's opinion about collaborating evidence by witness's is valid in the physical, when analysing physical events. I'm not so sure its valid in the spiritual. Others agreeing with you on spiritual issues and events and actual proof provided on physical issues and events by physical witness's are two very different things.


Different to books, films, videos and so on that outline a particular theory, event and happening on these issues that then gives possible explanations and reasons to them I'm often left with nothing as an explanation and reason for what is communicated. I often battle to even understand the concept of what has been communicated.


I have to earn everything. I'm never shown the way. I have to search and search then ask the proper questions off my source


Its something like when we were at school and we did not understand something that was being taught to us. That is actually a good analogy of what my partnership is like between the pure/spiritual me and my source


At present there are four concepts I'm really battling with. I will outline two to show there complexity


The first I have talked about before. The basic concept is ...You will always reincarnate back to the land. The land will be your only physical connection to all past and future incarnations and the universe. Everything will change and disappear but the land will always be there. You will from now on always reincarnate back to the land... the power of the land. Other than a very simple understanding of this I have no idea what it means. I also don't know if it only applies to me or to all of us


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continuing...


The second is difficult for me and far more complicated.


My source talks about the death of the pure/spiritual me. He talks as though it's imminent. I suppose that could be anything from 1-1000 years in physical terms.. I kept asking why?


because that would mean the total and complete end for me.


I searched and searched and could find nothing of any consequence to ask. As I said I must earn everything, nothing is given to me The times I'm at this dead end on something that is extremely important my source will throw out a clue. It's never a complete answer I must find that out for myself Its always a symbolic clue or an analogy. I understand my source knows and believes much of what is written and reported in the bible is symbolic of what is actually going on. Even though we both know there is no god.


His symbolic clues are just that nothing more. They are to give me an insight and/or the beginning of an understanding. So do not take offence at what the clue was.


He talked about the crucifixion of Jesus,, that is the clue. The symbolization of what will happen to me..Nothing to do with the actual event of Jesus being crucified. I immediately understood that I will die. So I began to ask questions


The very little I now do understand is.. When I go (the pure/spiritual me) into the process's after the death of this or some other physical body to be processed and reincarnated I will face a test. I must and will go through the agony and torture of some sort of spiritual death. My source told me if I call out for it to stop or for help everything will end for me


He went on... when you die it will appear you have gone to sleep. When you wake up you will no longer be in the process's and would have reincarnated back into the physical and will be occupying a physical body.. Everything will be real from the moment you wake up never forget that. You will always reincarnate back to the land


Again I have no real understanding of what this all means, and if it only applies to me but to all of us


In reference to this my source keeps saying... God created heaven and earth and man in his image.. I have absolutely no idea what significance that has to all of this. Maybe someone else does
 
John,


Some parts of what you are saying sound vaguely Mormon-ish. I'm not sure you're familiar with the Mormons, though they are world-wide at this point. Anyhow, I see some things that sound a bit like something that might jive with their approach, but others don't link up with anything I know.


S&S
 
Hi John Tat,


I have been reluctant to offer this the many, many times you have asked, because at the same time, you have said you are not really interested in researching and reading. You want your information to come just from your source, I think. Anyway, here you are in the scientific book section, asking yet again. I will ignore that this is probably not the right section to do this (perhaps the thread can be split??) and offer this to you.


Yes, I have heard what you are trying to express before. It sounds exactly like what the ancient Egyptians believed. This may blow your mind, though. To them, there were more than three parts to a person. To them, there were 7 or 8 - we think. As it is a dead language, our understanding of what they thought is not very clear. Your "soul" however, sounds like their "ba", which has been described as a spark plug of re-animation. And your "spirit" sounds a lot like their "ka," which, while incorporeal, was tied to the body so much it needed sustenance. Perhaps, this will help you.


The Egyptian view of body and soul
 
Hi Blueheart


Thank you so much for your reply.... thank you...thank you. I have been searching and searching this is my first clue I did a quick search on Ba and Ka. In Wikipedia there was a photo of a golden Ba amulet.... it sent a shiver down my spine.. I know I have seen that somewhere before... sometime long ago I know that deep down in my spiritual self... thank you


Regards John Tat
 
Hi blueheart


I do not want to get off the subject of this thread. My source has always calls me bb, does that mean anything to you?


because he will never answer me why he does that. Last night when I was meditating with him he said "your contact is a guardian and she will understand what I mean" I don't know if that is you he is referring to or not


Regards John Tat
 
Whether he meant me or not, you thought of me, so thank you. It was a kind thought.


Of course, the vowels you hear could change the meaning, but when I read BB, I read it as Brightest Blessing.
 
Hi John,


No claim to be a "guardian"--but it did occur to me that BB might be initials, such as the initials from your past life, a very significant life, and/or one where you knew your "guardian" or "source", or one which they think is most important in terms of your true identity. Given the Egyptian connection, it may even be a name or title that goes wa-a-a-a-a-ay back.


Cordially,


S&S
 
Hi S&S


Thanks for doing the research. It would be possible my source is saying bebi..... be bi and I'm hearing it as bb. We all want to be someone famous in a previous life not just a janitor so I don't know what to think


It's interesting in the hieroglyphs of his name The two boot like images I have seen in my mediations several times, but that also could relate to thousands of things


Deborah which of those two books would be best to read first, that would lead me to a greater understanding of the second?


regards


John Tat
 
John,


Interestingly enough, the "boot" image is the letter "b" in the Egyptian phonetic script:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration_of_Ancient_Egyptian#Uniliteral_signs


So, you have apparently been seeing the name "bb" in ancient Egyptian. That doesn't mean that you are the ancient official named, but it is an interesting correspondence between the "bb" you have been called by your source and what you have been envisioning in your meditations. It seems to be much more than a coincidence to me. (To me it seems like you have been shown your name as well as told/called by that name). Why this name, seemingly from ancient Egypt, relates to you and your experience is for you to answer; however, I must say that I am intrigued.


Cordially,


S&S


PS--the symbol that follows the two "boots" in the ancient Egyptian vizier's name (the letter that looks a bit like a feather) stands for the letter "i"--so maybe that is not a part of your name since it wasn't part of what you have seen in meditation.
 
John,


BTW--have you figured out how the Egyptian nomenclature--ba, ka, and etc.--relates to your division of the person? It seems a bit more complicated than what you have been talking about, but I am intrigued by that as well.


S&S
 
Sea and Sky


I'm just beginning to research Ba and Ka


From what I have found so far it is all very close to how my source has described these things to me


I have discovered there was four major parts Kha the physical body, Ka the spirit Ba the soul and Akh which was a transfigured spirit that survived death of the physical body and mingled with the gods. Following the death of Kha Ba and Ka were reunited to reanimate Akh That is very close to what my source has told me and I have said many times on this forum


Every site I go to reports the following.. The idea of a purely independently spiritual immaterial existence was completely foreign to Egyptian though and beliefs .. Again in alignment with what my source has told me and I have said many times on this forum that there is only physical life


I will continue to research but that is what I have found so far. I think its reasonably accurate, if not I would like to be told


I will get onto what physical entity I may have occupied in these times later Maybe this was the first


Regards John Tat
 
Hi John,


This is all very interesting. I think you would be surprised how closely this aligns with a lot of traditional Christian ideas about the make-up of man: physical body--kha, soul & spirit--ba and ka (though the relationship and separability of these two is somewhat disputed), and resurrection or "spiritual body"--akh after death (though many things about the what, who, and how of this "body" are disputed).


Having said this, there are a tremendous number of differences between accompanying belief systems, but those are not really under discussion at the moment. Neither system, however, seems to take reincarnation into account. Still, very interesting.


Also interested to hear your thoughts on the name issue, which is just as interesting. I'm beginning to believe your sources--if not you yourself--have some kind of relation to Ancient Egypt.


Cordially,


S&S
 
I have done some more research. It continues to surprise me how close a lot of it is to what my source has told me and in many cases is documented on this forum long before I got the clue from Blueheart what to search for


I now know what a guardian was in Ancient Egypt A guardian was a higher level of Ka (spirit) that gained that status from knowledge learnt on earth.. So my source talking about a guardian was accurate which at the time I did not understand


Egyptians feared a second death far more than they did first


As I have reported on this forum my source talked about my second death... my spiritual death.. That is what the ancient Egyptians feared would happen to them. Yet my source has told me I will reincarnate back to the physical after this my second death.. So I don't know what to make of that


The only clue I have is... he often talks about "the others", who I think may be currently with him. He has never said that but that is what I feel


He tells me that I will join "the others" in the physical. For what purpose and/or reason I do not have any idea


It may be connected to when he told me... when you reincarnate after the death of the spiritual you... everything will be real in the physical... never forget that


Did Ancient Egyptians believe in reincarnation? there is plenty of discussion on that issue


I think they understood they could learn more from a succession of lifetimes. As I said they only believed in a physical life. To be able feel and touch and so on without a physical body was unacceptable to them. So they embalmed and mummified their physical bodies for use in other lifetimes


So their belief in reincarnation was not complete


This is the little I have learnt over the past day. As I said I'm intrigued how close it all is to what my source has told me
 
SeaAndSky said:
PS--the symbol that follows the two "boots" in the ancient Egyptian vizier's name (the letter that looks a bit like a feather) stands for the letter "i"
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Hi, SeaAndSky


I think you misunderstood the link you posted. Egyptian hieroglyphs do not work like an alphabet, but mostly as picture signs that instantly transmit concepts, rather than sounds. (Although, at times, they do represent "sounds-like" concepts. I will set that aside for now, as it is not relevant to the name you found.)


It is interesting to me, that we do not really know what vowel sounds they used, or how and when they used them. Their written language only gave the consonants. Most of what we know is an educated guess. This is why the god in Karnak temple can be found called Amun, Amon, Amen, etc.


So, John could actually have had that name, (whether he was the vizier or not) and he could be hearing it the way it was pronounced. The "e" and "i" might be wrong.


Now, I am by no means an expert, but I do feel compelled to point out that Egypt was and is a desert country. We have found examples of sandals and even shoes, but no boots that I know of. The symbol is actually two legs. Probably walking, I am not really sure.


The feather represents a concept that might be interesting to discuss. It is the feather of the goddess Maat, and it stands for truth, harmony, order, justice, and the correctness of things. To live a good life, was to live in accordance of the ways of Maat.
 
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Every site I go to reports the following.. The idea of a purely independently spiritual immaterial existence was completely foreign to Egyptian though and beliefs .. Again in alignment with what my source has told me and I have said many times on this forum that there is only physical life
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Ah . . . that is what I was afraid of. . . . I support you in your search, and you can, of course, believe anything you like, but that is not really an accurate statement. The link I posted really is the best, in my opinion. And, in all fairness, it is hard to sum up the metaphysical beliefs and nuances of a thousands-of-years culture that we only know of through fragments of their writing, on just a web page or two.


The key word, I think, in that statement is "purely." They did, in fact, believe in a spiritual existence some might recognize as heaven. They called it the Field of Reeds, and if one's heart was light and you lived in accordance to Maat, you could have hope of attaining a life there. It was a beautiful, abundant place, much like their home, but free of disease, droughts, and other dangers. Noblemen envisioned themselves hunting and fishing in the marshes, all the time, surrounded by their families. If their tomb was properly stocked, they would not have to perform any manual labor when the Pharaoh called on them. Oh, joy! Their little doubles of themselves could do it for them, hence the many statues found in their tombs.


John, I think that much of what you believe aligns with what we think we know of what they thought. I also can imagine you might have had a past life as an Egyptian priest, since they are the only ones who really would have had time to theorize about such things and access to it, and the ability to read. However, their thoughts about the afterlife, I think, were way more sophisticated and nuanced than ours is today. While they most definitely DID place emphasis on the physical body and recognized spiritual elements we, perhaps, do not, that does not mean they did not believe in a spiritual existence separate from earthly life. They believed in that too.
 
SeaAndSky said:
Neither system, however, seems to take reincarnation into account.
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Like in Christianity, there are hints that it might have been there, passed on as secret knowledge that was only taught to a select few. There are passages in the Book of the Dead that seem to show it. Also, I recall two frescos that seemed to show the Ba leaving a dying man and flitting off to re-animate a newborn baby. Unfortunately, I can not remember the tomb at the moment, so take the above with a huge grain of salt.
 
Hi Blueheart


Thanks for the clarification. What I actually thought was they believed in a spiritual afterlife but needed to experience through a physical body. Hence physical life. I really want to understand Your link gave me plenty of information.. I'm a little confused about this particular point. Your link said .... This afterlife was a continuation of the life in the hear and now. It went on to say their tombs were left with food and so on and they were also given servants in the form of little statuettes


If it is possible I need to understand how this physical side including the mummification of their physical bodies worked for them in the spiritual. Is it true what I found on another site? That it was unacceptable to them that they could feel and touch without a physical body?.. I really need to put this all together and understand


Regards
 
John Tat said:
I need to understand how this physical side including the mummification of their physical bodies worked for them in the spiritual. Is it true what I found on another site?
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I found this:

The ancient Egyptians believed that when someone died, their soul left their body. The soul would then return and be reunited with the body after it was buried. However, the soul needed to be able to find and recognise the body in order to live forever.
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And this:

The Egyptians believed that it was possible to live again after death, but this could only happen if the body was preserved in a lifelike form that the spirits known as the ba (personality) and the ka (life-force) could recognise. The body could then act as a bridge between the spirits of the deceased and the offerings provided by the living.
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I read "Initiation" recently and learned quite a few things about the early Egyptians; I liked the book.
 
Hi Blueheart:


I agree that the Egyptians used hieroglyphics as hieroglyphics, but according to the article section linked, they also used certain hieroglyphic symbols (glyphs) to represent consonants (what the article refers to as unilateral signs). This was something I didn't know and found interesting. So, any word they represented in this way is generally going to present the same problem as ancient Hebrew--vowel guess-work.


The feather looking symbol shown in the ancient vizier's name is identified in the article as the glyph for flowering reed and is said to be used as an initial or final vowel (though sometimes it can be "j") which I suppose is one of the reasons why they can include it in a list that supposedly only includes consonants. It may also represent the feather of Maat for all I know. I don't know enough about Egyptian symbols to say--it certainly looks more like a feather than a flowering reed to me. I'm just going by what's in the Wikipedia article linked.


I definitely agree with you about "reincarnation" in the ancient Western religions, including the Abrahamic ones. So, I wouldn't be surprised to find this as a hidden or secret doctrine underlying the religion of ancient Egypt as well. One of the things that interests me about John's sources is that they seem to be telling him that he will need to go through the "second death" before he can reincarnate. The "second death" is terminology that is used in certain Western occult circles to indicate the death/dissipation of the current identity, which persists after the the death of the physical body in the form of the astral body (and perhaps other even more refined bodies) in order to take on the continuing or real identity of the soul or ____ (insert preferred terminology).


Also, I am fascinated (especially as something of a Michael Newton fan) by the possible correspondence between the Ankh (Spiritual Body) and what Newton refers to as the "SOUL"--which never actually leaves its particular domain, but merely projects a portion of itself (ba/ka; soul/spirit) during incarnation. So, interesting stuff.


Cordially,


S&S
 
Some can communicate their higher self's knowledge better than others...also this information, as ANY is nothing new. There is nothing new under the Sun! We know know far less than our ancestors ever knew during the time of Atlantis.


The fellow(Jhani) who wrote a book I hold high esteem had a Guru in the 70's and he has kept in touch with him during his lifetime and AFTER! He wrote a book and I take his word pretty much as high as I would any other Indian author or esoteric fellow of high regard. (Actually, my former-teacher had the same guru) He did not say he was channeling his guru but the bond between guru and disciple are so strong that they can keep in touch in dreams. Now you might ask me what the difference is between him and other so called experts who channeled ancient spirits or entities for their knowledge, I'd say I knew the Guru and he was a real person who had extraordinary abilities?...I also have 2 of his books that were transcribed from his audio lectures! I cannot say this for the others, of course.


As for Egyptians; as far as I understand; they did not believe in reincarnation and I have asked this from people who studied the subject in depth.

John Tat said:
I'm asking this question for my own understanding. I have never read any of these books in fact I have not even read any books about reincarnation. My knowledge and understandings comes from source. Are those of you who read these books looking for conformation about your beliefs or are you looking to gain knowledge and understanding from others? My understandings of what this is all about are not in books or anywhere else . It must come from a source including your deep spiritual self. I'm interested to know what things are you searching for by reading these books?
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John,


Nobody can tell you what your "source" means! Only you, can figure that out. However it seems that the message is not very clear and a bit confusing...I think, perhaps it would be wise to seek knowledge/advice from other venues too, just MHO...


Cheers!
 
Receiving information from a source.. What does that mean and how do you know when a source has contacted you?


First of all you must be very confident in both your physical and pure spiritual self


It is also very important to trust you spiritual self, and not allow your physical imagination to run wild.


You must have complete faith in the spiritual you because a source contacts the spiritual you not the physical you


One of the first things my source did was to educate me on how to trust the pure spiritual me that allowed me, the pure me to understand the contact that had been made


To begin I always meditate to contact the pure spiritual me.


I believe most can do that. You just allow yourself to drift and have an image of what you want the pure spiritual you to look like, then start to chat to him/her. It could take a short time (weeks) or a long time (months) before contact is made. When you do make contact you will know, believe me


After I have made contact with the pure spiritual me which can be anything from almost immediately to several minutes, I then if I want to from deep down in the pure spiritual me ask if my source is there. Sometimes my source is there waiting for me


I cannot explain the difference between physical imagination and actual contact with a source It is profound and you need to experience to understand. But if it happens to you, you will know


The frustrating part about all of this is.. when you have made a direct contact with the pure spiritual you and also a source if you have one the flood gates do not open.. You must earn everything.. that is one way you know it's not your imagination


You always have a massive amount of questions with very few answers. You have all of these questions because of the contacts and what they talk about.. Learning and understandings goes in levels.. Something you thought you understood goes to a higher level of understanding months later


I could write hundreds of pages about all of this but that is enough to give an idea of what contacting a source is about
 
John Tat said:
I need to understand how this physical side including the mummification of their physical bodies worked for them in the spiritual. Is it true what I found on another site? That it was unacceptable to them that they could feel and touch without a physical body?
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I think that was the goal, actually. To continue to exist , to have a pleasurable life, after their physical bodies had failed. There was a ceremony, called the opening of the mouth and eyes ceremony that was performed after the 70 day process of desiccation and mummification. It was supposed to re-animate the person. Not the body, obviously, but the Ka. (I think it was the Ka. I'll try and look it up to be more certain next time.)


I keep meaning to get back to this thread and write more, but once again, I have run out of time. Soon, I hope.
 
Hi Blueheart


Thanks for the reply... Maybe you are the guardian my source was referring to. Something I know is important is...my source talks about the symbol of the Ankh and the connection it has to the Christian religion. I have done some research and have seen the emblem is very close to the Christian cross and that there was some type of cross over between the two. But I need to understand much more than that... can you help.. because my source use's the symbolisations in the bible to help me, which I believe he does because that is the easiest for me to understand


Regards
 
John Tat said:
...my source talks about the symbol of the Ankh and the connection it has to the Christian religion. I have done some research and have seen the emblem is very close to the Christian cross and that there was some type of cross over between the two. But I need to understand much more than that... can you help.. because my source use's the symbolisations in the bible to help me, which I believe he does because that is the easiest for me to understand
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Both Christianity and ancient Egyptian beliefs place an emphasis on 'resurrection' and an eventual 'eternal life'. They have other commonalities in the worship of a 'sun God' (Ra) who's 'son' (Osiris) came to Earth, died and was resurrected. But then, most of the world's religions have lots of elements in common. Some matriarchal and some patriarchal threads have persisted since time immemorial. Some of their origins have been lost in the mists of time. A lot of them are about worshipping the natural cycles of the Earth and the heavens.


This is no coincidence, because as Christianity spread around the world it picked up ideas and elements from earlier religions and they all got incorporated into the 'narrative'. You might find this interesting. It traces some of the connections.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ_in_comparative_mythology
 
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