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Reincarnation; Fact or Fantasy?

Charles, I understand where you are coming from. But the reason I feel Ailish is correct in her karma/memory statement is that we are influenced by our reaction to other's actions and comments. If someone insults me, but I disagree with or ignore their insult, it has no effect or influence in my life. My lack of reaction might be due to a healthy self image, or by the absurdity of their comment, but in any case, while they might suffer because of the negative energy of their action, it will have no bearing in or upon my life.

John
 
Hi Charles :)

I agree entirely, but to me the problem behind karma/memory is that which resides in our "subconscious memory", which affects us without our being "conscious" of the karmic process we are undergoing.
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I believe -- the soul never forgets. Our subconscious is a storehouse of memories, emotions, beliefs, patterns, habits and reactions. Our subconscious mind has memories of every event, thought, intent, word spoken, or action from every lifetime our souls have ever lived. It speaks to us in the language of symbols, feelings, intuition and dreams and is also our connection to inner wisdom, spiritual awareness and the collective unconscious.

I also believe that we are capable of breaking repetitive patterns that we may not be aware of on a conscious level – by closely examining our lives. We have to be willing to take a good look at ourselves and be completely honest with what we see, as well as to be willing to take responsibility for the situations we’ve created without harboring blame towards anyone else. When there is conflict in our life, the reasons can always be found within us. We need to have the courage to face the root causes whether they are something we’ve created in this life, or something we’ve drawn to ourselves by thoughts, feelings and emotions from a past life.

It is not a one-way process. It is not entirely and exclusively up to us, but also a consequence of the actions and thoughts of others upon us, which also reflects upon our lives and our "karmic issues".
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I agree that the free will choices of others can and do affect our lives to a certain extent – but it is how we choose to react to their thoughts and actions that dictates the future outcome or situation -- and our experience within it. We cannot be responsible for how others choose to act – and although it is good to give/receive forgiveness and healing from others for our past deeds (be it in this life or previous lives), the bottom line is that we’re the only ones that can change our lives. We create the “karma” we experience -- we are the creators of the events and actions in our lives. We are wholly responsible for what we choose to do - at all times NOW - not anyone else. We ultimately make the decisions, even if someone else incited us to act or think in a certain way -- therefore the responsibility falls solely upon us. ;)

When we are vibrating positively, with higher thoughts, we attract the higher and more clarified entities that also vibrate at higher levels. When we lower our mental vibratory frequency, we are more susceptible to the lower entities that vibrate at the same level.
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We can find similarities in our belief systems -- you see, what you've stated I would agree with, but I would interpret it differently. Instead of saying "entities" I would say "energies." Like energies attract. What you send out -- is reflected back at you. ;)

Another point is regarding what kind of energy is thought?
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In my opinion, it depends entirely upon what you are thinking -- and how you are choosing to think. Positive thoughts = positive energy. Negative thoughts = negative energy.


Ailish :D
 
Ailish said:
I believe -- the soul never forgets. Our subconscious is a storehouse of memories, emotions, beliefs, patterns, habits and reactions. Our subconscious mind has memories of every event, thought, intent, word spoken, or action from every lifetime our souls have ever lived. It speaks to us in the language of symbols, feelings, intuition and dreams and is also our connection to inner wisdom, spiritual awareness and the collective unconscious.
. . . although it is good to give/receive forgiveness and healing from others for our past deeds (be it in this life or previous lives), the bottom line is that we’re the only ones that can change our lives. We create the “karma” we experience -- we are the creators of the events and actions in our lives. We are wholly responsible for what we choose to do - at all times NOW - not anyone else. We ultimately make the decisions, even if someone else incited us to act or think in a certain way -- therefore the responsibility falls solely upon us. ;)
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Ailish this is such a good post. Even if sometimes I would prefer not to believe it, life really doesn't mean anything without free will. But this is also a reason why the traditional idea of salvation or damnation based on one life makes no sense to me.

There's a line from a song I heard, "Mine is the right to be wrong," which makes so much sense to me along these lines. Life is a learning process, and we must accept the errors, while trying to correct them, even as we celebrate the successes. Even more so as the soul accumulates wisdom through multiple incarnations, sometimes repeating errors multiple times before getting it right. Karma is a process, not a thing that punishes or rewards us for mistakes or successes.

Lonewolf
 
Hi to both of you, :)

I agree entirely. I just feel that the process works 50/50. Half of the process is determined by us, the other half by what I would call "other forces"... ;)
 
Deborah: I just read your pastlives stories in Achive. enjoy it.


have a question for you. we discussed choosing or just drawing to one life time before.That might bring the answer to the discussion.


If you could "go back to time" and "choose", would you still choose to experience the most difficult time you experienced?
 
Hi wavesj,

...have a question for you. we discussed choosing or just drawing to one life time before.That might bring the answer to the discussion.
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I think you might be referring to what Carol presented in her book Return From Heaven - I agree with her. ;) :

“The Tibetan Buddhists agree that the more aware and conscious a soul is, the better its choices will be for the coming life. They say a spiritually evolved soul can direct its incarnation and choose the place and family of its birth. Otherwise, they say, Karma will dictate the choice, and the soul will be drawn, as a magnet, into whatever womb resonates with all its past experiences.”
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To me, we are each unique, and aware or not - we create our realities.


As to your other question; I think I'll sleep on that one and get back to you this weekend. : angel
 
Thanks Deborah


For other question, Maybe I truly want to ask is:

Do you think hardship have good value to sharp a person's character?
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Sometimes I think if I could go back to some period of my life, and choose the same situation, the outcome would be very different, because I am in different level of awareness.


A butterfly can’t re-experience the life of a little worm, however, the little worm’s experience or hardship make up the path of becoming a butterfly. although the little worm might attract( or draw to) the hardship...


That might be a little bit similar with the way we grow spiritually : angel
 
People work very hard to overcome difficulties and darkness. But the law's of energy explain it is part of our process. Understanding the process allows for spiritual growth; we just have to remember that ENERGY FOLLOWS ATTENTION.


The key according to Gregg Braden seems to be that while we choose light, we have to also compassionately allow for lights opposite expression. This will lead us to mastering compassion. With it comes responsibilities and yet personal power. We live in a world of polarities and it is the darkness that enables us to know -- the light. So to answer your question - yes.

....Do you think hardship have good value to sharp a person's character.
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I read Nell's article, "Reincarnation: Fact or Fantasy?" with great interest and felt strongly that it is on the right track. Of course, that's just a subjective personal feeling, based on everything I've read. It is also quite true that Reincarnation can be supported by concepts and axioms drawn from Physics (information is never lost). However, I find it interesting that Reincarnation can also be supported by theories and evidence drawn from Quantum Physics, which in some ways, totally contradict Standard Physics.


This is not meant as a critique, but only an interesting observation, that two distinct branches of Physics both support the existence not only of reincarnation, but other parapsychological phenomenon; while each branch of Physics often contradict each other. Or, as some academics would say that one branch is true for micro matter, while the other is true for macro matter.


So, it seems, while information is never lost, it can appear out of nothing.
 
Deborah said:
Nell Gavin wrote a nice piece on the internet. She is the author of the book Threads and use to visit this site.
Reincarnation; Fact or Fantasy?


Has anyone read her book? What do you think of her link regarding Fact or Fantasy?
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Have'nt read the book.


But please, think for a moment. If you fantasize about something. Are you likely to interpret data differently than if you were not fantasizing about the results? People that are highly suggestable will lose all/some sense of critical thinking and criticism.


In at least a couple of methods I am aware of, one party WANTS results and the other party WANTS money.


on the other hand, children and others who spontaniously remember, if that is possible, did not WANT it and didnt need any help getting there.
 
Deborah said:
Has anyone read her book? What do you think of her link regarding Fact or Fantasy?
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I haven't read the book, but I followed the link, and while I agree in general with the 'Belief' section (although I think she's too pessimistic about testing belief against science), I think her use of physics in the following sections is seriously flawed. I'm not qualified to comment on the rest, but I'm happy explain why I think the use of physics is flawed, if anyone would like to know.
 
Bumping-up a discussion thread that "asks the obvious":


Reincarnation: Fact or Fantasy?


http://www.nellgavin.net/reincarnation.htm


With all of the thoughtful perspectives on reincarnation e.g, strong case-studies, the late Ian Stevenson's work, the growth of Internet media allowing important discussions (amongst skeptics, proponents, and anyone "in-between"), and of course 'The Past Life Forum', the sentiment as to whether or not reincarnation actually happens, largely remains inconclusive!


Possible experiences of past-lives are usually personal experiences we can only prove to ourselves.


It can be asked, "can immersing ourselves in content on thoughtful perspectives on reincarnation serve as yet another possible 'Trigger' of past life memories experienced in PL regression through mediation?


Marc
 
I see two possibilities: 1) It's a fact. or 2) People who claim past life memories, including children, are tapping into some kind of "cosmic consciousness" somewhere and these facts can be validated. But that doesn't explain the physical resemblance or the birthmarks.
 
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