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Reincarnation in Western thought

Merlin

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There are many comments on this board about reincarnation not being an accepted normality. It is only the Western world that holds this view, and this is directly attributable to the “purveyors of religion”, as Nightrain1 calls them.

“Dr. Leslie D. Weatherhead, the highly respected theologian of City Temple, London, has stated that “ the early Christian Church accepted it (reincarnation) until the Council of Constantinople in A.D. 553, and then discarded it by a vote of 3 to 2.* Even Origin, St. Augustine and St. Francis of Assissi accepted it.”* Origin (A.D. 185-254), one of the leading, early Christian scholars, was among those excommunicated for his views on the immortality of the soul.* They were victims of the many Anathemas of the day.

The supposition that each birth into the earth plane is a new, special creation is man-made.* The single-life idea is, therefore, a direct result of the diluted version of Christianity.* There is little to support the notion in nature, in the Bible, or in human life itself.* Nature constantly displays the continuity of life, e.g., trees “die” in the fall and come “alive” in the spring; the cycle of rainfall repeats itself, new days are “born.”
When Christianity was popularized by the church fathers in the early centuries, several sources claim the doctrine of reincarnation was dropped.* Only the Cabala, the secret religion of the Jews and the bible of the Gnostics, retained it, for the Essenes by then were extinct.* Since few were aware of it, it would die out with the priesthood.* Its knowledge was not considered desirable for the common people. Too, the burden of responsibility was shifted from the individual to Jesus to allow for an easy religion, attractive to the masses.* Christianity was formalized and dogmatized – toned down to fit man as a religious system because man was not up to fitting it spiritually.
Their reasoning was sound if not ethical.* Materialistic as man was, he would tend to say, “Why worry about this life – there are other lives to live,” overlooking the consequences of karma – the law of cause and effect, of retributive justice.* He would use it as an excuse for his shortcomings.* Moreover, reincarnation would weaken the priesthood’s ecclesiastical position of power and authority, and there would not be the same force behind the doctrine of submission.* It was therefore deleted, and perhaps wisely for that day and age. “
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Merlin6
 
Thank you Merlin for your post. Could I ask you to site the source of your quote? Where did Weatherhead make the statement? This area of reincarnation is of particular interest to me. Thank you.
 
Sorry Tinkerman,


I did look for the reference but couldnt find it.


I have so many books I have read over decades and made notes of that I'm literally 'buried' in them.


However, if you do a google on "Council of constantinople 553"


it does make interesting reading.


Regards


Merlin6
 
Tinkerman,


found another reference which you may be interested in.


Try "Reincarnation, The Second Chance" by Sybil Leek.


Chapter 10. It deals with the first council of Nicea under the emporer Constantine.


Regards


Merlin6
 
There are various references to reincarnation in The Bible. I have read that it was removed from doctrine as it was thought people would not be 'good' (or obey the teachings of the Church) without the fear or hell or the promise of heaven.


This is quite a good summary of the idea as it appeared in early Christianity and early western philosophy -


http://www.inplainsite.org/html/reincarnation_and_christianity.html


The most "convincing" texts of this kind are the following:


1) Matthew 11,14 and 17,12-13, concerning the identity of John the Baptist;



2) John 9,2, "Who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?";



3) John 3,3, "No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again";



4) James 3,6, "the wheel of nature";



5) Galatians 6,7, "A man reaps what he sows".



6) Matthew 26,52, ”all who draw the sword will die by the sword”.



7) Revelation 13,10, ”If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed.”
 
Hello Tanguerra,


You've obviously been doing a bit of homework.


I've had a look at your link and am in two minds about some of it. Some parts I agree with, but others I am totally opposed to.


In the final analysis I have chosen to quote this particular piece from what is presented:


"As a result, no matter how many attempts are made today to find texts in the Bible or in the history of the Church that would allegedly teach reincarnation, they are all doomed to remain pure speculations. "


As Cayce once said: "I can read reincarnation into the bible, and somebody else can read it right out again."


I am currently attempting to pen a 'nutshell' version of the Doctrine of Reincarnation to put before the members of this forum, but the biggest problem is keeping it small enough to be accepted as a post without getting wiped. (as was one previous attempt to explain something at length.): angel


I have never seen anything which purports to be 'The Doctrine of Reincarnation' as a written thesis. It is so huge and all encompassing, yet at the same time so simple in its message that it is difficult, given the restrictions of the forum, to include many related aspects which do not conform strictly to the discussion of 'reincarnation'.


Regards


Merlin
 
Periodically over the past few years, I've been drawn into the debate regarding Biblical evidence of Reincarnation; and for every theologian who has found such evidence, there have been at least ten, who have protested indignantly that the evidence has been misinterpreted. Although my money is with the evidence for Reincarnation, I have often wondered how important or critical such evidence is compared to the thousands of documented cases of children remembering their past lives.


I have read extensively on the subject regarding various translations as well as the many obvious efforts of the powerful kings and church "fathers" to expel various ideas from church doctrine. Some of those ideas were purely from left field, and would have been rejected on the basis of common sense. However, too many ideas were anathematized which I have found profoundly strong and characteristic of the Dharmic scriptures that were available at the time. In fact, there is much of Jeshua's philosophy, which is significantly different from Judaism in much the same ways as Buddhism, which had already been spreading for 500 years. However, Biblical scholars usually roll their eyes and dismiss this theory out of hand.


So, this leaves us with a seemingly endless debate with no resolution, which can be a real turn-off for Western society, whose foundation for existence is already divided into two distinct camps of traditional Scientism and traditional Christianity.


However, I see the barriers between traditional beliefs and secular spiritism slowly being eroded as more people allow themselves to curiously and secretively google topics involving psi, reincarnation, consciousness, and quantum biology. It has been said by a number of parapsychologists, that a number of their fellow scientists have already secretly confided that they believe in such things, and that they have quietly investigated much of the research. I would be willing to bet that a large number of theologians may also be questioning traditional doctrines in the same way. However, it may be a while before many of them put their careers at risk by publicly admitting any of this.
 
Over a decade ago - the memories started flooding back of about the 'reincarnation' theme. I had put the subject away many moons ago - because of the controversy with religion. So - I started praying for answers and this verse came to me in a dream. I was told in a dream to look in Job - Chapter 33 for the answer I was looking for.


Job 33:21, "His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out."


Job 33:25, "His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:"


Job 33:30, "To bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living."


07375 ruwtaphash {roo-taf-ash'}AV - fresher 1; 1


1) (Niphal) to grow fresh, be grown fresh


The English adds "than" to the sentence. So - it actual reads 'flesh of a child - grown anew."


Any way - that was what I found after I had a voice come to me in a dream instructing me to look there for indication that it (reincarnation) was a part of scripture.


DK
 
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