Skeptic's advocate.

[Marc Ross]

Hello,

Lately, I’ve empathized with the “skeptic’s advocate of sorts” -- dismissing the possibility of reincarnation.

First, if much of past-life recall is done through meditation exercises, than why is there very little in the way of discussions of meditative states experienced in a PL? Link to the post (Under the discussion of Meditation) ‘Memories of meditative-like states in a PL??’.

Second, why don’t the strong cases suggestive of reincarnation e.g., the Lenninger case tie-in to any of Dr. Ian Stevenson’s criteria found in worldwide case-studies comparing past and present lives; six-degrees of separation between past and present lives e.g., geographical regions, family relationships?

Many people view the concept of reincarnation as inconclusive. Yet, quite a few people (such as myself) also view reincarnation as inconclusive, yet gravitate towards “a proponent’s advocate” that reincarnation is a good possibility.

Later,
Marc

 

[usetawuz]

Hi Marc,


As for First...I am not sure I really understand the point...is it that since most pl experiences occur in a meditative state why aren't there more memories of pl-meditative experiences? For me, the events I observe in pl's have been significant to those lives and my current life. And those have mostly been brief vignettes and impressions with a high emotional content and meaningful messages. I seldom get any that provide extensive time involved in mundane activities or contemplation of any sort.


Second, it seems to me that Dr. Stevenson was able to produce a framework which enabled him to prove his theories and they may be true, but in all likelihood, are not the only way these things can be verified, or the sole way incarnation works. Conversely his theories may actually be more valid within his framework and we simply can't or haven't made the connections.


Along those lines, I have a very clear pl from the 1900's in which many current family members participated and with whom my current family is not connected now in any way, genetically or even within 6 degrees of separation. We were there then and here now. That prior lifetime's heirs have no connection whatsoever to my current family.


Another issue preventing such connections over lifetimes is that since that lifetime (I died in 1905) I have had two more deaths and am now in the third lifetime since then. I am aware that my grandmother from that 1905 lifetime was my grandmother in this lifetime, but again with no connection to that 1905 family.

 

[Marc Ross]

Cont...


Hello Usetawuz,


Yes, meditative experiences in PLs being evoked through present life meditative exercises was the point I was discussing.


In short, I'm inquiring why so many obvious facets regarding reincarnation have seldom been discussed.


Marc

 

[Totoro]

First, if much of past-life recall is done through meditation exercises, than why is there very little in the way of discussions of meditative states experienced in a PL?

I think, perhaps people would only have them if they were remembering a past life that involved meditation. A hippie from the '60s, someone in a religion that practiced meditation.


If I get what you're saying, that during meditation to focus on a past life, you're experiencing someone else in the past doing the same thing, I don't think that would be common.


My gut feeling is that most of this is a relatively new phenomenon (researching past lives) and given the many thousands of past lives people may have, the likely hood of having a meditation memory of someone having the same is extremely slim.


It's not impossible, but I wouldn't expect it to be common either.

 

[Marc Ross]

Totoro,


You raised an interesting point; that is previous generations


e.g., a hippie from the 1960s, religious beliefs involving meditation may be the only PLs recalled.


Meditative-like states also involve half-asleep/half-awake states that we all experience.


In my post (Under the discussion of Meditation) ‘Memories of meditative-like states in a PL??’: http://tinyurl.com/ck2w8zq provides further details. Half-asleep/half-awake states in a present life may evoke memories of the same in a past time; complete memories of vintage interior styles.

 

[deborah]

Marc,

First, if much of past-life recall is done through meditation exercises, than why is there very little in the way of discussions of meditative states experienced in a PL?

PL experiences are realized through dreams, exercise, meditation, regression and spontaneous triggers.


There actually has been a lot of research regarding meditative states and PL. Have you heard of Charles Richard's process Soul Journeys?

Soul Journeys?
The Soul Journeys process was designed to provide a glimpse in full- consciousness (without hypnosis) of the bigger picture of why we are here and how we can more easily navigate the dharma (higher purpose) of our life and relationships.


Soul Journey therapy is systematic and allows clients to recall and heal the invisible emotional wounds of the present and past-lives, prenatal, and the birth experience................In a state of full-consciousness clients may venture into realms where people who have had near-death experiences vividly describe.

I liked his premise because it sounds similar to a process I am familiar with called Selective Awareness.


Several other things to take into consideration:


Hypnosis stems from a Greek word meaning to go to sleep, or to loose consciousness. Indeed the term alone carries with it a stigma of control and manipulation.


A regression includes inductions, and simple suggestions, leading a person to find understanding in an altered state through the subconscious mind.


Selective awareness is an altered state of mind that is natural and happens for everyone. The mind is alert and concentrated on a particular focus. This can be a focus in physical waking life, like jogging, or washing dishes. Or a deeper focus in meditation which includes the surfacing of inner thoughts, feelings and emotions regarding events in the past, even in past lives.


Hope this helps.

 

[Totoro]

And answer to you question may also be that ceilings, lights and other things are secondary details that someone may not think are important, so they aren't remembered.


Perhaps people are over focusing their memories on if they are male or female, their clothing or more immediate or more obvious things like furniture or kitchen appliances?


I had a distinct memory in which I was laying on my back in bed, but I don't know if it was dark or what the reason was, but I had almost tunnel vision and could only see the end of the bed and a woman standing at a wardobe in front of me.


Perhaps maybe that's why people don't remember things like that? To me it was sort of like looking through a jar out the bottom, everything else was dark or too fuzzy to see.

 

[cmazumdar]

How it feels being a skeptic


Ahh.. well.. I joined today and it seems I got a huge vent to flush out what there always was on my mind.


I have my friends who do not believe in past lives. Here is what most of them say -


1. Most of the stories on the internet are fabricated


2. The information presented was a result of the knowledge acquired by the sub-conscious which the conscious could have conveniently ignored.


3. The mind is powerful and can hallucinate when subjected to certain environmental conditions.


4. Thoughts can be limitless and when the mind is allowed to be free, it can imagine whatever it wishes to.


I have tried self regression myself though am no professional. Here is a link to what I came up with in my second attempt. http://www.chiranjibmazumdar.blogspot.com/2012/02/my-experiments-with-past-life.html


I do believe that this is not my first incarnation on earth and I have been here before. But I am never sure where and how. That article I wrote discusses one life time. There could be more. There is this immense thirst in me to know about my last incarnations... and I hope some day I may know more about myself than what I know at this moment...


Thanks for this awesome forum though... as I said, it provides a good vent to my thoughts...

 

[usetawuz]

And answer to you question may also be that ceilings, lights and other things are secondary details that someone may not think are important, so they aren't remembered.

This is kind of my point...instead of there being the sense of seeing extensive views of living former lives, my experience has been to see the more meaningful aspects...not necessarily the tragic aspects, but certainly those points in the lifetime in which positive or influential matters have occurred. the few vignettes I have gotten of mundane issues were from times when things were happening beyond me, but I was conscious of those minor details...I never get views of just meditation or the lighting, or idle chitchat with others...the sole aspect that seems resonant to counter my previous statement was an occasion I viewed wherein I used my left hand to unbutton a cod-piece from the bottom up on the left side to relieve myself...though this included the soon to be realized role I was to play in an upcoming stage production...there are very few times I get mundane revelations without significant issues going on also.

 

[Shiftkitty]

I have my friends who do not believe in past lives. Here is what most of them say -

I have friends who do not believe in reincarnation as well. Some are religiously fanatic against it. I simply don't discuss the matter with them. I'd rather keep the peace.


I hope you are able to discover more lives. It can be a wonderful journey.

 

[firebird]

NONE of my past lives have been recalled via meditation, but rather in a fully conscious state through everyday life triggers and from meeting other people. Therefore I am not the norm if most past-life recall is done through meditation exercises. I would not be able to contribute to any discussion on the topic of meditative states myself. In any case I believe that while meditation can provide a possible indicator of a past life, there must be other ‘evidence’ to support the memory to ‘prove’ the case to others.


You mention Dr. Ian Stevenson. He was a pioneer in his field, but research into past lives does not end with his research, nor with anyone else’s. Stevenson’s criteria is just that, HIS criteria. What if OTHER criteria - either not widely discussed, or currently not considered remotely pertinent – turns out to better support a case of reincarnation, or adds MORE significantly to the body of evidence that we now consider all that is relevant on this subject?


Not all cases of reincarnation that I know of have been documented publicly like that of Dr. Stevenson’s research. That means there are a lot of cases out there that people don’t know about. A lot of people who believe they have recalled a genuine past life memory have no desire or need to submit their years of painstaking researched case for scientific scrutiny, and especially not for general scrutiny on the internet. (The cases I have researched, of which there are ‘a few’ – and I’m being modest - have not been discussed openly .... and may never see the light of day). Neither do many people with personal past life memories work in the field of science that they begin their research using a strict laboratorial, statistical, oriented approach. This is an approach that some think is the only proper, professional scientific way to research a case, and in the absence of this protocol any evidence gathered is considered contaminated by confirmation bias. I find this thinking narrow-minded and even pretentious, because, for me, ‘the evidence’ provided in each individual case – when genuine - should speak for itself (and often does).


The work of Dr. Stevenson - with a science background - was himself not supported by some of his peers, and is still today seen by some scientists as fantasy and pseudoscience. Even believers of reincarnation, such as yourself, by your own admission, say you can only view reincarnation as inconclusive but with a ‘possibility’ it is real. Stevenson researched approx. 3000 children’s cases of reincarnation .... some cases are of course better than others, but if none can offer you and others sufficient proof that reincarnation is a reality, and not just a possibility, then it would seem to indicate to me that it’s time to move beyond what Stevenson researched and into newer territory. It’s not impossible.


I do believe there exists degrees of separation between past and present lives, having seen this in my own case and in that of others. It is my view this is more easily seen when there is an awareness/knowledge of multiple past lives rather than just the one.


Whatever Dr. Stevenson’s criteria used to research his “world-wide”, published case studies, every individual soul has THEIR OWN HISTORY (STORY).


The Leininger case is but ONE soul’s story and IT IS a strong case of reincarnation. Six degrees of separation is evident – I believe some of the people who are currently an integral part of James' life today, are souls he interacted with in other lifetimes unrelated to his life as the fighter pilot James Huston. The connections that exist between us and other souls, and throughout the multiple lifetimes (that I know many of us have experienced), are very complex and are not always seen when analysing the one past life.


Those who believe the concept of reincarnation is inconclusive cannot dismiss the current volume of public evidence that suggests something is occurring. However, many find it impossible to even acknowledge that, and at best can only suggest it is a fantastical imagination. On the other hand, it is a necessary process that believers of reincarnation always CONSIDER the skeptic’s view (sometimes ignorant, unread skeptics too). This is the only way of bettering how we might gather evidence, but more so how we can rethink the relevance of other data to make for a stronger, bullet proof, case of reincarnation.


For me, reincarnation is more than just ‘a good possibility’, but I have come to this conclusion not just from reading some other people’s research, but by doing my own extensive research, and talking to people who have been kind enough to share with me and trust me with the finer details of their personal stories.

 

[deborah]

Great reply firebird. Thank you for posting.

 

[Marc Ross]

'Skeptic's Advocate' thread / JFK news coverage.


Hello,


With all of the news-coverage of JFK lately, why have we yet to have a discussion thread devoted to possible "deja-vu like" memories of events fifty-years ago?


Possible PL memories of key events in history esp. with radio and television have been discussed; yet why so little in the way of events five decades ago?


Personally, I felt my PL was alive during JFK's first year in office (based on a 1961 model year car I recalled during one meditation); yet my PL probably didn't have television which may explain why no visual images of JFKs first years have been recalled.


Anyway's, the "skeptic's advocate" mindset can become a discussion in itself.


For starters, "deja-vu like" memories of interest to PL recall may not be fully be acknowledged; hence an overall assesment of reincarnation seems to become more elusive.


To try to comprehend reincarnation without a full understanding of deja-vu's potential value can be akin to "putting the cart before the horse!"


Thank-you

 

[kmatjhwy]

Now as for skeptics and reincarnation, I also have some friends who don't believe in such. Thru time anymore how much have I learned to keep my mouth shut and my thoughts to myself many a time on so many various subjects besides just reincarnation and past lives. It is only here on this forum most of the time that I might dicuss some of my past lives and such.


Now have learned thru the years, that if you open your mouth and say something which someone else does not agree with you on with concerning many a subject nowdays. Then you are allowing yourself to be severely crticized and dragged thru the mud for this has happened to me on so many occasions for how many various different reasons. Now onetime for instance I was severely criticized by some good friends on my use of the edible and medicinal plants in the wilds in that I was killing plants. They were PETA type of minded individuals. This modern day society and many people are not as loving as they would like to think they are in my opinion. And indeed how many it seems want to keep people in their boxes that they create for themselves and for others. So like I have stated above, there are quite a few areas in my life in which I have learned to keep my mouth shut anymore for good reasons. Just my personal opinion.


And as for myself with regards to 1963 and the JFK assassination, I was alive at that time in this present life. I came home from Preschool up the street and my mother was in front of the TV crying. It is something that I will not forget as for this present life it seems.


How much anymore am like Shiftkitty above and just want to keep the peace. Wishing Everyone the Best!

 

[usetawuz]

Possible PL memories of key events in history esp. with radio and television have been discussed; yet why so little in the way of events five decades ago?

I was alive in 1963, thus pl memories from then are not applicable...for my incarnation anyway.

 

[argonne1918]

Personally, I felt my PL was alive during JFK's first year in office (based on a 1961 model year car I recalled during one meditation); yet my PL probably didn't have television which may explain why no visual images of JFKs first years have not been recalled.
Thank-you

In 1963 I was 13 in the CURRENT life. I was sitting in 4th period Algebra when we got the news about Kennedy. That day (and weekend) was like 9-11 for the younger people and December 7 for our parents and grandparents generation. And like 9-11, many people did have premonition dreams. Some even tried to warn the White House. A young psychic named Jeanne Dixon tried to convince Kennedy not to go. But in hind sight if he had lived we may not have Medicare or the Civil Rights Act today. Congress was just as divided then as it is today. Lyndon Johnson had been in Congress since the 30's and knew how to get things done. And many politicians owed him favors. It was time to cash them in.

 

[Gypsy8]

I remember the day FDR died as clearly as I remember the day JFK died. I was seven then.


As for deja-vu episodes, I was talking with my son last night, and our conversation took a turn I never expected. When he calls again tomorrow, I'll be asking him question that might bring forth more details. He has yet to form any belief in the afterlife, but now in his fifties, he's giving it some thought.


He was telling me about how he'd stopped at an intersection in Sacramento one day, and began to have flashes of how the intersection had looked at various periods of time. He'd thought the experience was strange, but didn't think much about it then.


But something he has thought a lot about is a building he remembers, one like none he's seen for real, or on TV, and he's been wondering where it is and when he'd seen it. He's an artist, so I'm going to ask him to draw me a picture of it.


I guess these could be considered deja-vu.

 

[argonne1918]

I guess these could be considered deja-vu.

I think they may be past life memories. I have had a mental image of a building as far back as I can remember. Not anything I have seen in person or TV, movie, photo, etc.

 

[DaveUK]

NONE of my past lives have been recalled via meditation, but rather in a fully conscious state through everyday life triggers and from meeting other people. Therefore I am not the norm if most past-life recall is done through meditation exercises. I would not be able to contribute to any discussion on the topic of meditative states myself. In any case I believe that while meditation can provide a possible indicator of a past life, there must be other ‘evidence’ to support the memory to ‘prove’ the case to others.

I am in complete agreement since my own experience is identical to yours. My past life recollection is based upon life long memories and triggers in day to day life. I have tried meditation for various reasons over the years such as relaxation and stress management, none of them in any way connected to past life regression, and it never worked. Meditation has proven to be quite unhelpful for me really. Maybe I was doing it wrong. I have never tried hypnosis either. Yet I am as certain of my life 70 odd years ago as I am about last week.

 

[Marc Ross]

Esoteric topics...


Hello,


More and more esoteric discussion topics (some quite fascinating) have been noted.


Yet, proponents, people who feel that reincarantion is inconclusive, and even skeptics are left yearning for discusions on strong-cases suggestive of reincarnation.


Thank-you

 

[usetawuz]

I don't expect there are going to be conclusive proofs available to satisfy firm skeptics. And the proof available explained by those who have experienced it will sway no one. The current level of scientific capability can only quantify what can be observed and repeated...as yet there is no evaluation process for energetic consciousness, outside of the individual's personal experience. It is my belief each of us come to the truth at some point in our series of lives...and it occurs when their greater soul has chosen. Time used to debate the topic is as wasted as trying to convince someone to change what is in their hearts and minds along the lines of religion and politics...sound reasons to leave them out of polite conversation. With that said, what cases among all those described on this forum would you wish to investigate? I can assure you mine are as real to me as the fact the Empire State Building sits in New York City...though that level of assurance isn't likely to satisfy those seeking conclusive proof...it all comes back to the idea that there are things answered through reincarnation which make no sense otherwise...and the emotional impact felt in reviewing ones previous lives cannot be conveyed to anyone skeptical enough to require convincing...

 

[dking777]

NONE of my past lives have been recalled via meditation, but rather in a fully conscious state through everyday life triggers and from meeting other people.

Ditto for my own self as well. As a child, it was one thing, and as an adult it is another - but never through any type of hypnosis, meditation, regression or any type of therapy. As a child, I didn't even have a curious mind for it. I really didn't care for it - at the time. I wanted it to stop - and not increase. If there was a 'switch' involved - I spent the majority of time in childhood - trying to 'turn it off.'


As an adult, I lost sight of the memories and had a slight curious mind about 'hidden files' stored away in the unconscious part of my mind. I had 'spiritual guides' that came to me in dreams during that stage and I was 'given' dire warnings (for myself) about using hypnosis - or an outside source to unlock the 'hidden files.' (I don't think this warning applied to everyone --- just me, due to my medical history.)


I can not count the times between 1980 and 2010 - when I found myself standing next to a person and said,


"I don't why or how I know this - but I know it inside of me somewhere - that our souls know one another from another time. I don't know the details of it - but - I know my soul knows the whole story. Just not letting me in on the secret."


Each time, I would get a reply that they had felt the same way since our initial meeting - yet - we never discussed it beyond acknowledging our feelings about it. For me, if the details were meant to break the surface and come to the conscious awareness - then it would happen whether I wanted it or not. Now that I do have memories of the times it broke the surface as an adult - it was like a dang tidal wave that would knock me down and knock the socks off my feet.


That is why is hard for me to relate to 'regression' stories - or hypnosis. I didn't go through that process - and I find myself my own skeptic when it comes hearing others tell of such tales through that process because of my own lack of experience with that sort of path.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[Marc Ross]

Skeptic's Advocate - further discussions


Hello,


Thank-you to the people who've posted in the 'Skeptic's Advocate' thread!


After reassessing the 'Skeptic's Advocate' thread, it's time to 'bump-up' this thread!


Marc

 

[Marc Ross]

Hello,
Lately, I’ve empathized with the “skeptic’s advocate of sorts” -- dismissing the possibility of reincarnation.


First, if much of past-life recall is done through meditation exercises, than why is there very little in the way of discussions of meditative states experienced in a PL? Link to the post (Under the discussion of Meditation) ‘Memories of meditative-like states in a PL??’: http://tinyurl.com/ck2w8zq .


Second, why don’t the strong cases suggestive of reincarnation e.g., the Lenninger case tie-in to any of Dr. Ian Stevenson’s criteria found in worldwide case-studies comparing past and present lives; six-degrees of separation between past and present lives e.g., geographical regions, family relationships?


Many people view the concept of reincarnation as inconclusive. Yet, quite a few people (such as myself) also view reincarnation as inconclusive, yet gravitate towards “a proponent’s advocate” that reincarnation is a good possibility.


Later,


Marc

UPDATE


Hello,


Thank-you to the people who've posted in the 'Skeptic's Advocate' thread!


After reassessing the 'Skeptic's Advocate' thread, it's time to 'bump-up' this thread!


Marc

 

[Phthalo]

I understand what you mean. I believe in reincarnation but I'm a skeptic at the same time because I don't think I have all the answers to everything, in subjects like these, all I have are my personal opinions and beliefs.


My answers to your questions are just theory and speculation on my part for that reason.

First, if much of past-life recall is done through meditation exercises, than why is there very little in the way of discussions of meditative states experienced in a PL? Link to the post (Under the discussion of Meditation) ‘Memories of meditative-like states in a PL??’: http://tinyurl.com/ck2w8zq .

My theory is that maybe people didn't meditate in their past lives or that it's just not part of the memories that stuck with them. We all eat but not everyone has memories about what they ate in their past lives. Some people describe memories that are normal daily things and other have memories of big life events. Maybe many people didn't meditate for cultural reasons or were so used to it that it's not a part of the things that stood out to them. I wonder if people who meditated in PLs also ended up having memories of other PLs while meditating, and as a result they could remember the older PL instead of remembering that they had those memories while meditating.

Second, why don’t the strong cases suggestive of reincarnation e.g., the Lenninger case tie-in to any of Dr. Ian Stevenson’s criteria found in worldwide case-studies comparing past and present lives; six-degrees of separation between past and present lives e.g., geographical regions, family relationships?

This is a great question :thumbsup:


I don't think any of us have all the answers to reincarnation, so while I'm interested in theories about how it happens, I don't believe that we can formulate universal ones yet. It could be that those criteria apply to many cases but not all or that it applies through some lives. For example, maybe you could keep moving through the six-degrees connections until you end up with a life that doesn't seem closely connected to the one you had a long time ago.


I wish I knew too!

 

[Mere Dreamer]

First, if much of past-life recall is done through meditation exercises, than why is there very little in the way of discussions of meditative states experienced in a PL? Link to the post (Under the discussion of Meditation) ‘Memories of meditative-like states in a PL??’:

I don't remember meditating, specifically, but I did remember a state of intense emotion in one life that had me completely fixated while working. I was a scribe, writing something in a dim room with a high window and a candle, but all he was thinking about was how lonely he felt. It was quite boring, and I jumped forward once I realized that nothing else was going to happen.


I also distinctly remember details my "goddess" (a reincarnated Buddhist/Hindu? spiritual leader, seen as a goddess by some) PL knew from her visions and meditations, though I don't remember her moment of realization.


She knew she was reincarnated, for instance, including who she had been. Though I didn't pick up on that detail (and haven't regressed to that life myself) I could feel her strong sense of identity.


She also relied on spiritual guidance. I do have a specific memory of her standing in a temple, interacting with a statue of (apparently) Shiva as an equal. I suppose what she was doing could be called prayer, though she really didn't treat the situation any differently than one would when faced with a visible person, conversing.


She had her own strong opinions of rituals (only useful to help the spiritually blind practice belief) and spiritual truth, based on those experiences.


While I accept reincarnation as the most plausible of the options I know of at this point, I'm also not fixated on proving this to anyone. For me, my memories are too vivid and inexplicable to disregard, and the belief structure of reincarnation gives me a way to respect these experiences as I analyse their effect on my life.

 

[Marc Ross]

I don't remember meditating, specifically, but I did remember a state of intense emotion in one life that had me completely fixated while working. I was a scribe, writing something in a dim room with a high window and a candle, but all he was thinking about was how lonely he felt. It was quite boring, and I jumped forward once I realized that nothing else was going to happen.
I also distinctly remember details my "goddess" (a reincarnated Buddhist/Hindu? spiritual leader, seen as a goddess by some) PL knew from her visions and meditations, though I don't remember her moment of realization.


She knew she was reincarnated, for instance, including who she had been. Though I didn't pick up on that detail (and haven't regressed to that life myself) I could feel her strong sense of identity.


She also relied on spiritual guidance. I do have a specific memory of her standing in a temple, interacting with a statue of (apparently) Shiva as an equal. I suppose what she was doing could be called prayer, though she really didn't treat the situation any differently than one would when faced with a visible person, conversing.


She had her own strong opinions of rituals (only useful to help the spiritually blind practice belief) and spiritual truth, based on those experiences.


While I accept reincarnation as the most plausible of the options I know of at this point, I'm also not fixated on proving this to anyone. For me, my memories are too vivid and inexplicable to disregard, and the belief structure of reincarnation gives me a way to respect these experiences as I analyse their effect on my life.

Thank-you for your responses Phthalo, and MereDreamer.


To expand on meditative experiences in possible PLs; that half-awake/half-asleep state (we all experience) when we awaken in the morning can sometimes seem like a meditative state.


Hence, as we awaken in the morning, the first things we observe in that half-awake/half-asleep state are usually ceilings/light-fixtures.


Can it be asked, can that half-awake/half-asleep state act as a "trigger of sorts" to possible PL memories of awaking in the morning; with memories of ceiling-styles of the past e.g, ceiling tiles, vintage light-fixtures?


Marc

 

[Mere Dreamer]

To expand on meditative experiences in possible PLs; that half-awake/half-asleep state (we all experience) when we awaken in the morning can sometimes seem like a meditative state.
Hence, as we awaken in the morning, the first things we observe in that half-awake/half-asleep state are usually ceilings/light-fixtures.


Can it be asked, can that half-awake/half-asleep state act as a "trigger of sorts" to possible PL memories of awaking in the morning; with memories of ceiling-styles of the past e.g, ceiling tiles, vintage light-fixtures?

I'm wondering what value you think you would receive from ceilings and light fixtures. I remember all sorts of peripheral details from my regressions. Some contain very specific room layouts, furniture, and decorations, usually when my PL avatar was paying attention to such things in a new environment. I don't need to focus on meditation states in a past life to get that info.


It's also not that useful for research a lot of the time. Maybe to narrow down the era or location a little, but that's it.


What do you think you'd learn from such a memory?

 

[Marc Ross]

I'm wondering what value you think you would receive from ceilings and light fixtures. I remember all sorts of peripheral details from my regressions. Some contain very specific room layouts, furniture, and decorations, usually when my PL avatar was paying attention to such things in a new environment. I don't need to focus on meditation states in a past life to get that info.
It's also not that useful for research a lot of the time. Maybe to narrow down the era or location a little, but that's it.


What do you think you'd learn from such a memory?

Such memories might only just "narrow down" the time period past; yet if memories include photographs of family members e.g., on the wall, on a night-stand, then it may be possible to further narrow-down the time period to specific family members.

 

[tanguerra]

It's possible in theory of course, but time after time I've found that people tend to remember the important moments from their previous lives, rather than the trivia.


But, staring at the ceiling and seeing an interesting crack in the ceiling/ light fitting, etc. that reminded you of a previous life might somehow jog someone's memory I guess?