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Spontaneous early childhood PL memories validated??

Isha

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I had spontaneous childhood memories/impressions/triggers of a PL. I've never tried to find out about any other PLs because the one I do have memories from is so bad. I've recently (3 weeks ago) found what could be possible validation of these memories. It was both a shock and a relief. The relief was because it explained all the problems/tragedy of this current life. I desperately wanted to talk to someone, but there was no one to talk to. Then I found this forum, but felt too hesitant to write about. It's all so overwhelming and personal (to me) and I'm afraid it will be trivialized. But, here goes.....


I'll try to put it in chronological order. (I haven't kept a journal/notebook).


Age 2 or 3: Have a spontaneous memory of looking out a window. I was on the second floor of an apartment building in a city (don't know where, some place in Europe). I was watching my husband as he walked down the cobblestone/brick street. He had just left the apartment and was going to work. I was age early 20s. My husband was wearing a suit, hat, nice overcoat and carrying a briefcase, so he must had had an office job. The only emotion attached to this is just feeling content and happy watching him. I don't know the time frame because men's fashions pretty much stayed the same from 1930s - 1950s, it was sometime then. (I was born in this life in 1955).


Also at age 2 or 3, I always had to go to sleep laying on my stomach because "it won't hurt so much if I get stabbed". I had a recurring impression of being "stabbed in the stomach" and for some reason thought it wouldn't be "as bad" if I got stabbed somewhere else. (I actually never thought about getting "stabbed" except in my "stomach"). I had an EXTREME fear of being stabbed in the stomach by a man.


This caused repeated continuous nightmares throughout my childhood and into adulthood. The nightmares were so bad that I dreaded night and was afraid to go to sleep at all for fear of the nightmares. I was also born with intestinal problems. My mother said the doctors were always changing my baby formula, but nothing really helped. Doctors couldn't find anything wrong, but I had intermittent severe doubling over knife-like intestinal pain throughout childhood. It recurred in adulthood when under stress.


Oddly, I wasn't particular afraid of knives, but was very cautious around them. With or without actually seeing a knife, I would get constant flashbacks of getting "stabbed". I would panic and immediately do whatever I could to stop the thought; vigorously shake my head, jump up and down, spin in circles, ANYTHING for distraction to NOT let that thought in my head. This continued until about the age of 12. At some point the image or word "bayonet" came in my head. But I honestly don't know if that was a "memory" or not.


My mother told me that as a baby (once I could crawl) I would get myself into the tiniest spaces. She was very frustrated by that, the spaces were so small she didn't know how I even managed it, and it was difficult for her to pull me out because the space was so tight.


I also had an EXTREME fear of having my bedroom door closed at night. EXTREME FEAR. This fear was much stronger than the fear of being stabbed. It would cause immediate terror and panic. Nightlights didn't help. My parents left my door open because of it, but as I got older I was terrified if THEIR bedroom door was closed. I asked them to keep it open but they said 'no' (which is understandable they needed privacy, but I was too young to know that. When their door was closed, I stayed awake all night shaking in fear too terrified to sleep. I didn't dare tell my parents I stayed awake all night). That was the last straw for them. They were already angry at me for having all the nightmares and considered me a "problem" and an "inconvenience". I didn't dare tell them about the 'stabbing' fear, they wouldn't have cared anyway. I desperately tried to please them so they wouldn't think I was such a "problem". I was an unnaturally obedient child, so much so that I always heard adults telling my parents they had never seen anything like it. So desperate to please and never do anything wrong. My mother just took it for granted and began neglecting me. My father was gone a lot with his job. I was completely taking care of myself by the age of 6 (getting myself off to school, cooking, etc). Naturally there was no one to turn to for comfort from the recurring fears and nightmares.


Age 7: I was outside and ran into the house to get something and then run back outside. The TV was on but no one was in the room (my mother usually watched her soap operas during the day). I glanced at the TV as I ran past and immediately froze. There was a (B&W) film of a woman walking slowly back and forth on a street in a city carrying a small baby. I started shaking VERY STRONGLY. The voice-over then said, "This woman had been carrying her dead baby for days". I kept shaking/trembling very strongly. I was gripped by shear terror. I couldn't move from the spot. I don't remember making any sound, but my mother flew into the room and started yelling at me to "stop it". She started very angrily yelling at me to "stop shaking!". I tried so hard to obey (knowing I would be in trouble if I didn't) but I couldn't stop standing, glued to the spot, and shaking. I had no idea what/where that film was about. My mother was angry at me and yelled, "oh great, now you're going to have one of your stupid nightmares again! Knock it off! That's about the Jews and it's not going to happen to you because you're not a Jew!" (Actually I am Jewish but didn't know about that until I was age 22). A few weeks later, the TV was on as I walked past. This time I saw helmets. Soldiers! I became overwhelmed with fear and terror. My mother (again upset with my reaction) said, "Oh stop it! Viet Nam is on the other side of the world! There's no war here! And stay away from the TV if you're going to act so ridiculous!"


After that, there were no further spontaneous memories or triggers. (Except looking in the mirror. I looked wrong. It wasn't me. Where was my black curly hair? Why was my hair straight and brown? That's not me). I also disliked cities. As far back as I can remember I always said I would live in the country because I hate cement and cities. Throughout the rest of my childhood I was just left with a constant fear of being stabbed in the stomach, the constant nightmares, and (because I was unloved and unwanted) a desperation to grow up and have a baby. I was obsessed with having a baby. The neglect that started when I was 6 turned into abuse by age 8 and I was also reduced to being a servant. My mother always called me "slave", and constantly said I was different and not one of "them" (the family). (I watched from the sideline as my younger brother and sister were loved, adored and pampered). I was horribly lonely and alone. I told myself that since I didn't have a family, and was unloved and unwanted, I would have a baby and make my own family when I grew up. I survived my childhood with the comfort (obsession) of having this baby when I grew up.


I never knew why the nightmares, fear of being stabbed, and fear of having the door closed was always a constant. I just had to live with it. I left home at 18 and my family has nothing to do with me to this day. They said I'm not "one of them".


I grew up and married young to the first man that came along because I was desperate/obsessed with having a baby. I didn't love him and he was abusive (which I assumed was "normal" since it was all I'd ever known) but I married him for the sole purpose of having a baby. We later divorced.


As a single parent, I took my baby and moved to Scotland (partly to escape the threats from by abusive ex). My 20s were mostly happy but it was always a struggle with one uphill battle after another. At 30 I moved back to America and remarried. He was also abusive. By 35 I was divorced again.


During the divorce I made an appt. with my rabbi to talk about it. (I never attended synagogue but I sent my son to Hebrew school every week. I had politely chatted with the rabbi when dropping off/picking up my son). While talking with the rabbi (during the divorce counseling) I don't remember how we got on the subject, but I brought up the recurrent nightmares/fear of stabbing. He asked about any other fears. I told him about the "weird" reaction I had at seeing the woman on TV when I was 7 and it bother me why/how that had happened. He asked about details. I said I was so focused on the woman/baby that I didn't remember anything else except she was in a city. I told him I REALLY wish I could see it again to look for details and maybe learn more why it affected me so badly. But it was impossible to find that film again. (This was in the 80s before computers). He said it was possible that the film was in the Holocaust archives. I was shocked. What did any of this have to do with the Holocaust? He said it could have been a PL trigger. I had never thought of that. He said he would take me to the archives in San Francisco (a couple hours away) to see if we could find the footage. We went, but unfortunately didn't call ahead, and the archives were closed that day. He said he would make an appt and we would go back again. But, then there were death threats from my husband that I was divorcing and I had to leave out of state and go into hiding. Obviously, we never went back to the archives.


My 30s were rough. The death threats from my ex were intended to scared me away so he would take all our assets in the divorce. It worked. He got everything and I was left penniless and a struggling single parent again. This time with a rebellious teenager. My son hated me with a passion for leaving behind the money. He never forgave me (even though the main reason I left was because his step-father was physically abusive to him. I would take the abuse to me, but I wouldn't tolerate abuse to my son). My son didn't care. He said he could fight back and take care of himself, but me leaving behind the money was unforgivable. I was so heartbroken and overwhelmed, I didn't have time for any more thoughts of reincarnation.


My son spent his gap year traveling around the world. I literally went without food and starved myself to come up with the money and make it happen for him (although he worked while he traveled). He didn't care, he still hated me. That was the last straw. After a lifetime of abandonment, neglect, abuse and being unloved, my son's hatred was more than I could take. The baby I had so desperately wanted, and had devoted myself to now hated me.


I started drinking. For more than 10 years. I drank at home alone. I would black out, before passing out. During these blackouts I filled notebook after notebook. In the morning,(not remembering anything) I would find them. All boiled down to the same thing. Page after page of "Alone!", "horribly alone!", "human garbage", "not human, just garbage", etc., etc. I hated the Universe. Why me? Why, why, why?! NO answers. I started reading books about reincarnation. The books were always droning on and on about 'karma'. Great. That's just great. So, I OBVIOUSLY was a REALLY, REALLY HORRIBLE person in my last life to deserve this life. I just wanted to die. Every night I hoped I would go to sleep and not wake up. I was so depressed every morning to find I was still alive. I didn't dare commit suicide because the "Universe"/"Source"/"God" was so unbelievably cruel, that "it" wouldn't allow me to escape without further punishment ('karma', according to the books). This was all a "lesson" I was supposed to be learning. What "lesson" was I supposed to be learning? No clue? No hint? Thanks "Universe"! Thanks for nothing!! I got online to look for answers. There were none. One day (about 10 years ago) I decided to look on YouTube for the film footage of that woman with the baby. Since the rabbi (way back in the 80s) thought it might be Holocaust related, I searched for Holocaust uploads. I found it! It was in the Warsaw ghetto. It was eerie to see again something that had had such a powerful effect on me as a child. I was glad I found it, but I felt numb this time. Just numb.


I gave up. The "Universe" was obviously not going to give me any answers. Since suicide was not an option (the "Universe" refuses to help and give answers, but he/she/it/they sure are big on dishing out punishment (karma), so to avoid that, I have to stick it out. I quit drinking. Cold turkey. And decided to get on with life. As miserable and lonely as it was. I kept busy with work, hobbies and volunteering but the loneliness was unbearable. I don't mean loneliness from living alone (I've gotten used to that and it's okay). I mean the loneliness of really being ALONE. People come and go in my life, but there's no family, no "best" friend, no "significant other" (obviously), and the biggest heartbreak of all, my son's hatred and not wanting to be in my life. (According to the books, my "soul group" is not around). But there's also not being able to get help. THAT has been a constant. For no explainable reason. I help others, but they don't help back. There's no one I can depend on. When I ask people why they'll help others but not me, they don't even know why! An example; The local mechanic LOVES working on cars. He works on everyone's car. Rich, poor, old, new, doesn't matter. He loves working on cars. Except mine. He wouldn't work on mine. It broke down and was towed away. It was years before I could afford another (used) car. I asked him why he didn't work on my car? He looked blank. Said he had no idea why. And that's the way life has been.


Three weeks ago I received some painful news. My son (who is 40 now), that I haven't seen in years (his choice) and his wife (that I've never met) are going to have a baby. My only grandchild, that I won't be allowed to be part of his/her life. So painful.....


I felt drawn to search (again) about reincarnation. I started reading "Journey of Souls" (which I'd already read) and ordered 2 more of Newton's books that I hadn't read yet. So desperate for answers! Over the course of several days I went back to the thought of "WHAT is the lesson I'm supposed to be learning?" (AS I've asked for YEARS!). In extreme anger I started cursing the "Universe" for withholding this information my whole life. Even though my life has followed a distinct pattern (since the day of my birth, literally, abandoned by my bio parents for being a girl) and this pattern was crystal clear to me, I still didn't know the "lesson"! What "lesson" was I supposed to learn from abandonment, neglect, abuse, and extreme aloneness? To learn to suffer? Check, got it! But. What. Is. The. Lesson?????????????


Directly after the angry outburst I felt drawn to find the film of "the woman" again. I found it quickly, but there was no narration.


I watched again, this time a different version of the footage. There was more info. Now the footage (taken by the Nazis as propaganda) was incorporated into a documentary (made in 2011) about the film footage itself. In the documentary, survivors from the Warsaw ghetto were watching the footage and commenting. When the scene with "the woman" came up, one survivor watching (who had been a child at the time) said he remembered the woman. He said she walked around every day begging for a piece of bread. She was dressed in rags. Her shoes didn't even match and were obviously too big for her. (That hadn't "processed" before because I was so focus on the woman-carrying-the-baby). Now I noticed how thin she was, and the rags, and had the new info that she was begging for bread. The image of her was a bit fuzzy, so I paused it. She had black curly hair. The black curly hair I was "supposed" to have! She didn't look anything like how I look in this life, but for as long as I can remember I missed not having my black curly hair! (Even when my son was born I was a bit stunned when I first saw him. Where was his black curly hair he was supposed to have?)


This time while watching, it hit like a ton of bricks! Information flowed into me like rain pouring down and I knew what the lesson was! Then I felt extreme relief! I had to back away and sit down. I felt like I'd just ran a marathon. I had to let it process.


The lesson is to learn to survive. Alone. That woman/me, didn't know how to do that (I have no idea what may have happened to her husband). Other people in the ghetto (those that survived) learned how to be resourceful. They took risks to survive. They smuggled food (and risked being shot if caught). They stole food. That woman/me didn't do that. She only knew how to beg. That obviously didn't work. In this life, out of necessity, I learned how to survive. I have been homeless, but I found safe places to hide. I have faced starvation, but learned how to find/forage food. How to boil water with candles. How to make the candles with wax from a beehive. Etc., etc. But most importantly, I could not have managed to do any of it if I had not stayed OUT of cities! I knew I couldn't survive in a city. The only hope was to be out in the country. I did it! I learned! I learned to literally survive.


This info wasn't given to me until now, age 61. I had to pass the test first. I felt incredible relief from this! Like the weight of a thousand worlds was off my shoulders! For the next few days I felt light as a feather, like I was walking on air. And so happy! Happy to be alive! Happy to know the answer!


After I "came down" from my euphoria, I realized there was still the unanswered question of the "fear of getting stabbed". That was still a puzzle. In the documentary, it said the footage was taken in May 1942. Then, 2 months later in July 1942, the Nazis began rounding up Jews and sent them to Treblinka. (Some where sent to Auschwitz but most to Treblinka). Treblinka was a death camp. Jews were killed within 2 hours of arrival, in gas chambers. Those that were too old, or too sick to walk were taken behind a building and shot (because they "slowed down" the process to the gas chambers. So they were just shot and thrown in a pit). Death was by gas or guns. No knives here. So where did this "stabbing" fear come from? Then I remembered the word "bayonet" from my childhood. Was the woman/me killed by a knife or bayonet in the Warsaw ghetto and never even made it to Treblinka? What happened?


So I watched any/all footage I could find of the Warsaw ghetto (and looked at still photos) and only focus on the soldier's guns. No sign of bayonets. Or knives. Then I watched anything I could find about Treblinka. Again, no sign of knives or bayonets. I kept searching. I heard about the transcripts from Eichman's trial. There was a testimony from a survivor of Treblinka who had been a Sonderkommando. I started reading it and felt shock when I read;


"The people who were the last to enter the gas chambers, the very last received stabs in the bodies from the bayonets, since the last persons already saw what was going on inside and did not want to enter.


Four hundred people were put into one small chamber, and when they forced them in, they, on their part, pressed inwards and in this way reached the full capacity, so that only with difficulty could the outer door of the chamber be shut."


http://www.holocaustresearchproject....testimony.html


Could this be the fear of getting "stabbed in the stomach" AND my extreme fear of closed doors as a child? (If this did happen to her/me, the being stabbed by the bayonet and having the gas chamber door closed would have happened at roughly the same time).


(ETA: I did get a "lightning bolt" reaction that this is what happened. I was interested in getting other people's opinions, because they would be objective).


Sorry what I wrote is so long. It's been almost 60 years waiting for answers so this is very emotional to me. Thank you so much for having a place I can 'talk' about this.


P.S. Am I off base putting these puzzle pieces together? It just feels like it's what happened. And the relief! The relief is greater than I can describe.
 
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Thank you so much for sharing your story Isha. Your emotion comes through so strong. I am sure you are on the right track, your emotion and sense of relief with the validations are pointing you in the right direction. Hopefully this will be the start of some powerful healing for you. The experiences in the past very much seem to explain the fears you had as a child.


Not sure if you have done across these yet, but there are a few books about holocaust reincarnation written by Rabbi Yonassan Gershom that you might find interesting:


From Ashes to Healing http://www.amazon.co.uk/From-Ashes-H.../dp/0876043406


Beyond the Ashes http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Ashes...AXPYTDH0VXSH70
 
Thank you helz_belz. I was afraid no one would respond and my post would be ignored. Too boring to read through. But it's very emotional for me because all the books say we're here to learn 'lessons' and if we don't learn it we just have to come back and keep experiencing (variations of) the same life until we DO learn it (that's the ONLY thing that kept me from committing suicide----to not have to repeat this life). I didn't want to come back and do this again! So I felt absolutely desperate to 'learn the lesson'. I'm still not thrilled at the thought of coming back again next time. This life has been no picnic (and obviously neither was the last life).


The earliest books on reincarnation that I read really put a lot of emphasis on 'karma'---as a 'pay back', you "reap what you sow". That felt very psychologically damaging. For years I thought I was a terrible person and 'deserved' to suffer. How many other countless people have suffered psychologically by that concept? Other books focused more on "we're here to learn lessons". That helped (a little), at least "learning" was a step up from "punishment". But then again, the psychological damage from not knowing what the lesson is and, again, the threat of having to re-do a variation of this life all over again if you don't learn the lesson. That's not exactly comforting to read for a person going through a hard life. There's too much emphasis on Eastern religions/philosophy (Buddism/Hinduism) and cherry-picking from them (BIG emphasis on 'karma' but leaving out the "inconvenient" bits like "annihilation of the self", and reincarnating as animals.


Yes, I have read "Beyond the Ashes" (back in 2004. I know because I wrote the date on the inside cover) but I haven't read the other book. I have it, just haven't read it yet. But thank you so much for the recommendations. And thank you for responding to my post, I really appreciate it.
 
Any time Isha! :) We are all here to help each other, so many of us have been through tough times and know how upsetting/invigorating/uplifting/depressing/confusing/clarifying etc etc all this past life stuff can be. I read through your whole post.


Karma seems to change its meaning depending on who is describing it. Personally, I don't see it as a kind of punishment. Karma as punishment has probably caused more than enough emotional suffering over the years. The way I see it, Karma is similar to a form of subconscious memory, something that links us emotionally to people, places, situations etc. Once we understand where we can make changes, we can move on from the things that keep us tied to the past. It sounds like you understand where you are and where you can go now, which is always a good step along the road to healing. The journey to healing may be difficult, but it is worth it in the end.


Have done the suicide thing in a couple of my past lives, don't recommend it at all. The stuff you were trying to escape from doesn't go away, you still have to keep dealing with it next time round (and the next and the next and the next...) until you are willing to face things and deal with them.


Are you interested in finding out more about your past life? Have you thought of going to a regression therapist or using a self regression? If there are still issues around your past life holding you back it might be helpful to work through those issues. It isn't always easy though, but it can really help in the healing process.


If you were happy to share I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on Rabbi Gershom's books. I haven't read them myself, but they are on my wishlist. I believe I had a life during that time, but it isn't one that comes up for me often.
 
Isha, Thank you for sharing your story. I was riveted, in no way bored. I think you are right on track with putting together the pieces. I admire your tenacity, in light of all you have been through. I echo helz_belz words of encouragement for you, as well. :)
 
Karma as punishment has probably caused more than enough emotional suffering over the years. The way I see it, Karma is similar to a form of subconscious memory, something that links us emotionally to people, places, situations etc. Once we understand where we can make changes, we can move on from the things that keep us tied to the past.
Thank you so much for this!!!! It's the best explanation I've read! And so helpful(!!) because it makes so much sense, and is so non-damaging(!) psychologically. Thank you!!!!!!!!

Have done the suicide thing in a couple of my past lives, don't recommend it at all. The stuff you were trying to escape from doesn't go away, you still have to keep dealing with it next time round (and the next and the next and the next...) until you are willing to face things and deal with them.
This is exactly what kept me (and will continue to prevent me) from committing suicide. It's definitely NOT the way to handle problems and will only cause a repetition of the problems one is trying to escape from!

Are you interested in finding out more about your past life? Have you thought of going to a regression therapist or using a self regression? If there are still issues around your past life holding you back it might be helpful to work through those issues. It isn't always easy though, but it can really help in the healing process.
I've tried that, but I could not be hypnotized. I tried 3 different hypnotherapist. One was an expert with a private practice, on staff at a hospital, and was a university professor specializing in hypnotherapy. He had hypnotized hundreds (thousands?) of people. I was one of the low percentage that could not be hypnotized.

If you were happy to share I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on Rabbi Gershom's books. I haven't read them myself, but they are on my wishlist. I believe I had a life during that time, but it isn't one that comes up for me often.
I have only read 'Beyond the Ashes'. (His first book). It has some interesting cases in it, but a large part of the book is going in depth into Jewish beliefs in reincarnation. Some people find that interesting, some boring. He said his editor (who is not Jewish) told him to add it in to give a background of Jewish reincarnation beliefs. The second book 'From Ashes to Healing' is all case histories, written by various people. It has very little info on Jewish beliefs and just focuses on the case histories. I would recommend the second book for info on case histories.
 
Isha' date=' Thank you for sharing your story. I was riveted, in no way bored. I think you are right on track with putting together the pieces. I admire your tenacity, in light of all you have been through. I echo helz_belz words of encouragement for you, as well. :) [/quote']
Thank you so much for reading it and your very kind words! It means so much to me, thank you!
 
Karma is similar to a form of subconscious memory' date=' something that links us emotionally to people, places, situations etc. Once we understand where we can make changes, we can move on from the things that keep us tied to the past. [/quote'] I agree with this very much, as well. It can feel like punishment, I think, which is why it is so easily portrayed that way.
I feel your grief about your son. I wonder what sorts of past life trauma he is dealing with that would blind him to your love in that way? His reaction sounded like that of someone who chose to leave financial stability in a previous life and regretted it deeply for some reason. Not at all rational, given the abuse you so wisely protected him from. He'll realize your love for him eventually, if only when he reaches the space outside of time. So often people are tangled in strands of the past and never know it, but I think it's possible to learn what is necessary to mature and make new choices even when we don't realize the struggle was created by lingering past life experiences and beliefs.


I also feel your relief, now that you are seeing how it feels to finally understand the changes you've been growing into and releasing those ties to the past. You're not entangled by it anymore, and are free to choose something new next time around.


I was so relieved the day I finally realized I could cut away those old expectations and beliefs and no longer allow them to control my perspective. I was able to finally let go of my fear and desire to change my abusive ex (and now no longer feel controlled by him, either).


Now I'm working on another vague knot I can't quite see, this time in regards to making my own way in the world. *sigh* It's frustrating to fumble around without quite seeing where I'm aiming. On the other hand, looking back I can see progress. Who knows what I'll manage, but it will definitely be a useful start on something new, even if the world ends tomorrow.


Congratulations on making it this far!
 
Hi Isha


Welcome to the forum.


Gosh, that all sounds pretty tough! You must be tough to get through all that. Perhaps that is your lesson? That you are stronger than you think? You never know. Sometimes these lessons don't hit us like a bolt of lightning like in the movies. Sometimes it's more gradual and can be pretty subtle.


Yes, I agree with Helz - 'karma' is often misunderstood. It's not a 'tit for tat' thing. It's more 'you get out of life what you put in'.


We each have to figure this stuff out for ourselves, but it's always good to consider what could you be doing to make others happy, rather than dwelling on what others could be doing to make you happy? You might be surprised what can happen if you get out and about a bit. Do some volunteering, join a choir, help out at the local hospital. These things really can create happiness in your lif

...Could this be the fear of getting "stabbed in the stomach" AND my extreme fear of closed doors as a child? (If this did happen to her/me, the being stabbed by the bayonet and having the gas chamber door closed would have happened at roughly the same time).
Yes, that would certainly make sense. Horrible traumas like this do tend to echo from one life to the next. There are quite a lot of people on the forum with some pretty horrendous holocaust memories. Maybe a professional regression would help you to put it to rest?
 
Hi Isha
Welcome to the forum.
Thank you! :-)

Gosh, that all sounds pretty tough! You must be tough to get through all that. Perhaps that is your lesson? That you are stronger than you think? You never know.
I now know that was/is the lesson, it came through loud and clear! As I wrote in my OP, "....it hit like a ton of bricks! Information flowed into me like rain pouring down and I knew what the lesson was! Then I felt extreme relief!". In the last life, the woman/(me) was completely unable to survive on her own (once her family/husband were gone). She didn't know how to. It ended with her death. So she/(me) was determined to learn how to survive on her own, ALONE, in this life, so that wouldn't happen again.
Sometimes these lessons don't hit us like a bolt of lightning like in the movies. Sometimes it's more gradual and can be pretty subtle.
In my case, it did hit like a bolt of lightning! That's why I was so stunned. And RELIEVED!!!! I just had to wait my whole life, until now, before the lightning bolt came!
Yes, I agree with Helz - 'karma' is often misunderstood. It's not a 'tit for tat' thing. It's more 'you get out of life what you put in'.
Definitely agree! It's just that the earliest books on reincarnation that I read had put the emphasis on 'tit for tat', 'you reap what you sow', with no other alternative explanation for 'karma'. Later books softened the explanation of karma. But those earlier books were very psychologically/emotionally damaging to people. According to the earlier books: Suffering in this life? It's because you 'deserve' it for wrongs done in a past life. It was supposed to make the sufferer somehow 'feel better' that they were 'balancing their karma'. Instead, it came across as 'blaming the victim'. I was soooo grateful when I finally read books by Dr. Ian Stevenson, (the first voice of reason I read!) who said he had found no evidence of karma as 'pay back'. Lessons, learning new skills, usually takes hard work. I'm a nurse. Nurses' training was hard work! The very first day one of the instructors said, "Say goodbye to your friends/family. You're not going to have time for them the next three years of training. This is going to be tough and two thirds of you aren't going to make it through.". She was right. It was very tough and 2/3 dropped out or failed. Obviously the 2/3 that didn't make it were not 'bad' people being 'punished' for previous 'wrongs'. Learning is just hard, some lessons harder than others.
We each have to figure this stuff out for ourselves, but it's always good to consider what could you be doing to make others happy, rather than dwelling on what others could be doing to make you happy? You might be surprised what can happen if you get out and about a bit. Do some volunteering, join a choir, help out at the local hospital. These things really can create happiness in your lif
I'm sorry I didn't make it clear in my OP. (The post was so long so I was trying to shorten it). The reason I mentioned not getting help from other people was ONLY to show that it was a pattern in this life. A pattern that I now know was necessary to learn the lesson I was supposed to learn (to learn to survive alone without help). The fact is that I have gotten help from other people, but it was rare, and only in life-threatening situations. The help only came at the last minute when time was running out. Oddly, when I was younger, a thought flashed in my head, "everything will be okay, but not until the last minute". That scared me! I didn't know what it meant then. What did "the last minute" mean? That everything was going to be bad until right before I died ("the last minute")? Or that various problems would be solved at "the last minute"? Now I know, from experience, what it meant. People wouldn't help me with day to day things (I used the mechanic as an example) but when it came to life-or-death situations, I did get help. (Obviously, I'm still here!). But there's no help for day-to-day things. No one to depend on. Ever. Even when I was in survival situations, there was no help. I was on my own to figure it out. The help came ONLY when death was imminent.
As far as me helping others, I do that all the time. I became a nurse in order to help people. But I was appalled by the health care situation in the U.S. (only those with money got treatment). I became a nurse to help people, not get a fat paycheck. So I volunteered at a free clinic (no pay) and then worked a second job (non-nurse job/low pay) for an income. I quit nursing to farm (more self-reliant). I teach beekeeping for free (everyone else charges) and mentor new beekeeper for free. I'm VERY low-income and could earn money doing this, but I don't because I want it to be available for anyone. I volunteer at a soup kitchen every week. I noticed two of my neighbors rarely leave their apts. I bring food for them and leave it at their doors. (They send thank you notes). For fun (and to stay in shape) I do circus hoop tricks. My apt is too small, so I practice outdoors. People see me and want to learn "this magic!". I could earn money teaching but I choose not to. I teach for free because it's fun. (Besides, most people don't stick with it when they find out it's a lot of work, exercise, daily drills and practice). Sorry to ramble on......point being I do try to help other people!

Maybe a professional regression would help you to put it to rest?
Oh, I would love that! But I'm unable to be hypnotized. :/
 
I feel your grief about your son. I wonder what sorts of past life trauma he is dealing with that would blind him to your love in that way? His reaction sounded like that of someone who chose to leave financial stability in a previous life and regretted it deeply for some reason. Not at all rational, given the abuse you so wisely protected him from. He'll realize your love for him eventually, if only when he reaches the space outside of time. So often people are tangled in strands of the past and never know it, but I think it's possible to learn what is necessary to mature and make new choices even when we don't realize the struggle was created by lingering past life experiences and beliefs.
I also believe it's a PL trauma, but since I can't talk to him (his choice) it can't be resolved right now. I also agree that it will happen outside of time. His hatred is irrational. It started from me leaving the money behind (and he IS very materialistic, money oriented and flaunts money/possessions for show). In high school his friends would tell me he would rant and rave against me and they didn't understand his rants/rages because he didn't make sense. He raged at me too and it made no sense, claiming to hate me for completely opposite reasons. EX: During one raging outburst he said, "You're whole life revolves around nothing but me! That's all you ever think about is ME! Everything you do is for me! Why don't you do something for yourself for once instead of always doing everything for me? All you ever think about is yourself! You NEVER think about me! How do you think that makes me feel?"


I can't even talk about the worst parts.

I also feel your relief, now that you are seeing how it feels to finally understand the changes you've been growing into and releasing those ties to the past. You're not entangled by it anymore, and are free to choose something new next time around.
Thank you, I can't even describe what a huge relief it is!!!!
I was so relieved the day I finally realized I could cut away those old expectations and beliefs and no longer allow them to control my perspective. I was able to finally let go of my fear and desire to change my abusive ex (and now no longer feel controlled by him, either).
That's so great that you were able to do that. That's a major accomplishment!
Now I'm working on another vague knot I can't quite see, this time in regards to making my own way in the world. *sigh* It's frustrating to fumble around without quite seeing where I'm aiming. On the other hand, looking back I can see progress. Who knows what I'll manage, but it will definitely be a useful start on something new, even if the world ends tomorrow.
I definitely understand the feeling of "fumbling around without quite seeing....", and it IS so unbelievably frustrating. I'm glad you're making some progress, even while working through the vagueness and frustration. Just don't give up! (I know you won't).
Congratulations on making it this far!
Thanks! :-)
 
"....it hit like a ton of bricks! Information flowed into me like rain pouring down and I knew what the lesson was! Then I felt extreme relief!"
Sorry, I was in a bit of a hurry last night and I missed that bit, or missed the significance of it.

As far as me helping others, I do that all the time. I became a nurse in order to help people. But I was appalled by the health care situation in the U.S. (only those with money got treatment). I became a nurse to help people, not get a fat paycheck. So I volunteered at a free clinic (no pay) and then worked a second job (non-nurse job/low pay) for an income
Good for you! That's great. Helping others is always 'good karma' and good for the soul in general.

Am I off base putting these puzzle pieces together? It just feels like it's what happened. And the relief! The relief is greater than I can describe.
No. It sounds to me that you have put it all together very well.
 
Hi Isha,


Great posts and great conclusion. You are a very deep person, and you have had to suffer a lot in this lifetime, but it seems to have brought you to a good place, even if you are still lonely. Thanks! Hard stories with redemptive endings are always the best from an inspirational standpoint (though they are also the toughest to have to live through). Hearing about them helps us all face up to the fact that life is no picnic, but it has a purpose.


God bless,


S&S


PS--Life is no picnic unless, of course, you also figure in lots of ants, stinging insects, the potato salad's gone bad, kids fell into the pond, sudden thunderstorms, etc.! And those are the good ones!


PPS--I would love to learn bee keeping. It has been one of my ambitions for the last few decades. I just missed attending the local group last night, but hope to make it next month!


PPPS--I hope you can find a little help for loneliness here. It ain't the same as face-to-face, but sometimes that's not all its cracked up to be either.
 
Welcome to the forum and thank you for this. We like long stories here. Rabbi Gershom had a Yahoo group for Jews who had past life holocaust memories. This was about 15 years ago. I think it fell apart after some members admitted being the Nazi's in that life. Even though they have great remorse now some of the other members demanded they be banished from the forum. Rabbi Gershom said the forum was open to people who had been on both sides of the conflict.
 
Hi Isha,
Great posts and great conclusion. You are a very deep person, and you have had to suffer a lot in this lifetime, but it seems to have brought you to a good place, even if you are still lonely. Thanks! Hard stories with redemptive endings are always the best from an inspirational standpoint (though they are also the toughest to have to live through). Hearing about them helps us all face up to the fact that life is no picnic, but it has a purpose.


God bless,


S&S
Thank you! I didn't think of my story as inspirational, but if it is, that makes me feel really good about it possibly helping/comforting others! Nothing in my life has changed, but just knowing there IS a reason/purpose has changed my outlook tremendously! And it feels great!
PPS--I would love to learn bee keeping. It has been one of my ambitions for the last few decades. I just missed attending the local group last night, but hope to make it next month!
Yay, that's great to hear, bees are endlessly fascinating! So many people only think of them as "honey machines", but learning about them as the amazing creatures they are is so wonderful. You'll be surprise how QUICKLY you will become personally attached to your "girls". Here's a great book to start: http://www.amazon.com/Buzz-about-Bees-Biology-Superorganism/dp/3540787275/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460569662&sr=1-1&keywords=buzz+about+bees
PPPS--I hope you can find a little help for loneliness here. It ain't the same as face-to-face, but sometimes that's not all its cracked up to be either.
I'm just so glad it's a wonderful forum where we're all free to discuss reincarnation, and I'm really happy for the opportunity to be here!
 
Welcome to the forum and thank you for this. We like long stories here. Rabbi Gershom had a Yahoo group for Jews who had past life holocaust memories. This was about 15 years ago. I think it fell apart after some members admitted being the Nazi's in that life. Even though they have great remorse now some of the other members demanded they be banished from the forum. Rabbi Gershom said the forum was open to people who had been on both sides of the conflict.
Thank you for the Welcome, and I'm glad long stories are okay. I was worried about my OP being too long.
When I was searching for a reincarnation forum, I saw that there had been a Yahoo group that is no longer active, but I didn't know the reason.


That is so WRONG for some members to want others banished for being Nazis in a PL. Just wrong! Rabbi Gershom was absolutely right to say the forum should have been for both sides.


Additionally, those that wanted others banned for having a Nazi PL apparently didn't do much researching. The fact is, that many of the guards in the camps weren't even Nazis. The camp I mentioned in my post, Treblinka, was one of MANY camps where the VAST MAJORITY of the guards were RUSSIANS. The Russians were known for their infamous brutality. They were POWs that the Nazis chose specifically because of their known brutality.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible_%28Treblinka_guard%29


And then there were also the kapos. Kapos were prisoners in the camps, but the Nazis chose prisoners that were known criminals, and also known for their brutality. Many of them were Jews. They (as criminals) already had no sense of morality, and they were especially brutal thinking it would bring them more favor with the SS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo_%28concentration_camp%29


Today, when someone wants to insult a person they perceive as being really bad, they may call that person a "Nazi". But among Jews, if a really bad person is mentioned we call them a "kapo".
 
Just being able to talk about it without being ridiculed, or thinking you're crazy, or told you are making it up is a huge relief! I know I felt this way when I first joined years ago. I cried and cried at finally being believed, accepted and understood. It's a good feeling.


We have had quite a few ex-Nazis here. Some simple soldiers. Some 'higher ups' too. We don't judge. What's the point? All of us at some time or other have done 'bad' things. Also many 'good' things. It doesn't help to shut people down or exclude them for wanting to talk about it. All the ex-Nazis are usually very remorseful for what happened back then. Life is complicated. We do things for reasons that seemed good at the time... sometimes... mostly...


One of the more remarkable stories is by a former member Phoenix, who has since moved on to other things in their life (and is now engaged in all kinds of good works) but it's quite a tale if you're interested - and Phoenix writes very well and interestingly...


My memory from the regression:
It was a beautiful day, sunny but cool, the sky a deep blue. I was standing on the pavement in front of the curb. I could hear music coming down the street towards me - military march music, and the high-stepping bandleader and his musicians came into view and then passed me. All of them were wearing black SS uniforms...Following instructions by my regressionist, I looked down and described to her what I was wearing - a formal dress SS uniform. She asked me my rank and I described the insignia I saw on the uniform. Three silver oakleaves, surrounded by a wreath of smaller oakleaves...
There was another story from years ago by a guy who was on his honeymoon. They decided to visit Auschwitz (go figure) but he had a 'flashback' of being a soldier. He recognised the barracks and remembered where he slept and so on. He was curled up in a ball in his hotel room, crying his eyes out in anguish for about two days until he found the forum. His new wife was very worried about him and didn't know what was going on. We were able to talk him down and remind him that was then and this is now and so on. It made him feel a lot better about it. At the time he thought he might be losing his mind. We were able to assure him that was not the case.


It's great when we can help. That's what we like the most!
 
We have had quite a few ex-Nazis here. Some simple soldiers. Some 'higher ups' too. We don't judge. What's the point? All of us at some time or other have done 'bad' things. Also many 'good' things. It doesn't help to shut people down or exclude them for wanting to talk about it.
Exactly! We shouldn't be judging anyone. I know many people on this forum have remembered several PLs. But no one remembers ALL of them. Even if a person only remembers PLs where they were 'good', who knows what they may have been or done in PLs they don't remember? We shouldn't judge.
One of the more remarkable stories is by a former member Phoenix, who has since moved on to other things in their life (and is now engaged in all kinds of good works) but it's quite a tale if you're interested - and Phoenix writes very well and interestingly...


http://www.reincarnationforum.com/fo...nix-regression
Wow, that's really intense!
There was another story from years ago by a guy who was on his honeymoon. They decided to visit Auschwitz (go figure) but he had a 'flashback' of being a soldier. He recognised the barracks and remembered where he slept and so on. He was curled up in a ball in his hotel room, crying his eyes out in anguish for about two days until he found the forum. His new wife was very worried about him and didn't know what was going on. We were able to talk him down and remind him that was then and this is now and so on. It made him feel a lot better about it. At the time he thought he might be losing his mind. We were able to assure him that was not the case.


It's great when we can help. That's what we like the most!
That sounds so awful for him. I'm so glad to hear that you were able to help him, I'm sure that made a HUGE positive impact for him in this life. Good for you! :thumbsup:
 
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