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Why do people not want to reincarnate?

Would you want to reincarnate after this life? Why or why not? (my first poll thread!)

  • Yes, I would like to, love to, or wouldn't mind reincarnating.

    Votes: 11 44.0%

  • No, I would not like to reincarnate at all.

    Votes: 14 56.0%
  • Total voters
    25
TheDivineOne

TheDivineOne

Should've been born a girl...
All across the forum, every time the question arises as to whether or not someone would want to come back, there's, more times than not, a resounding no. I've seen one person besides myself that i can recall on this site say they do want to return.

I want to come back after this life and honestly, i wouldn't have it any other way, but then again, those of you who've been avid readers of my post obviously know why, and I'm guessing my reasoning for wanting to reincarnate are not all that related to reasons why most of you don't really want to. So my question to those of you who don't is... well... how come?
 
Doubts. Sometimes I think that reincarnation makes no sense and is a trap, but according to what I experienced in self-hypnosis, no one forced me to reincarnate. I wouldn't want to reincarnate because I think the world is cruel, and I'm afraid to witness worse things than I've witnessed in this life and in past lives. For once in my life, I want to find my own way and I want to question some things. I may never find the truth for myself, but it is a need I have. I feel that I have reincarnated many times without thinking "Is it necessary that I do this? When I meet with guides I want to ask a lot, I want to distrust, I want to challenge some things.

I must admit that I once stayed a long time in a heavenly place, but I got bored, and that's why I went back to earth. You don't want to reincarnate, but the need to see something new, to feel other things (though terrifying) makes you think about reincarnation again. Even tranquility and peace can be routine.

At first it's relaxing and peaceful, but then you want to have fun and the soul sees reincarnation as a means of doing new things (Or that was my experience) in that beautiful place I could read, go to libraries, talk to other souls, learn things, like a school. Reincarnating was like leaving school and then going somewhere new, out of the rules and study.
 
I wish i had memories of the inbetween place like so many do, i know what you mean about the trap. The way i see it. I actually want to reincarnate so i will go into the Archon "trap" I think i will tell them as well that its a trap i want to go into. I mean, i dunno its just the flesh speaking, but i think I'd get bored as eternal conciousness discarnated. If we have choices i think my soul /conciousness is going to change a lot of things up.
Getting onto the subject of the original post though :) it might be worth doing a poll because i think its more split down the middle tbh.
 
briski said:
Getting onto the subject of the original post though :) it might be worth doing a poll because i think its more split down the middle tbh.
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Poll added. Voted. I wish i would've thought to make it a poll before you brought it up though. That makes this my first poll thread since i first came to the site! :)
 
I agree with Thyme. Too much cruelty.

80% of sea birds have plastic in their stomachs! I feel so guilty throwing plastic to even recycle bin as most of these is destined for 3rd world countries and ultimately in the sea!
I stopped eating fish as not only heavy metals, radioactive rubbish from Fukushima and plastic in them. I watched horrendous treatment of slaughtered animals on YT. Shall I continue eating meat? The way the business operate! Recently watched the program on fashion industry being one of the biggest polluters. Who knew? Poor people in Indonesia live near the river where clothing factories are sending down chemicals and heavy metals. These people irrigate their crops with this water, they use it for drinking, cooking and bathing. They have epidemic of diseases, skin problems.
Yes, just so we have yet another pair of jeans, 20 more tops and clean river near us! Yay! Who cares about other side of the world! We just want to have newer iphon.

I fear the future my young child will have.
I mean that list could go on for ever.
No I don’t want to participate in all above.
I’m new here so I don’t know your reasons so pls explain.
 
snowflake said:
I agree with Thyme. Too much cruelty.

80% of sea birds have plastic in their stomachs! I feel so guilty throwing plastic to even recycle bin as most of these is destined for 3rd world countries and ultimately in the sea!
I stopped eating fish as not only heavy metals, radioactive rubbish from Fukushima and plastic in them. I watched horrendous treatment of slaughtered animals on YT. Shall I continue eating meat? The way the business operate! Recently watched the program on fashion industry being one of the biggest polluters. Who knew? Poor people in Indonesia live near the river where clothing factories are sending down chemicals and heavy metals. These people irrigate their crops with this water, they use it for drinking, cooking and bathing. They have epidemic of diseases, skin problems.
Yes, just so we have yet another pair of jeans, 20 more tops and clean river near us! Yay! Who cares about other side of the world! We just want to have newer iphon.

I fear the future my young child will have.
I mean that list could go on for ever.
No I don’t want to participate in all above.
I’m new here so I don’t know your reasons so pls explain.
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Did you watch Stacey Dooley's show about the jeans? Sounds like it. Quite like Stacey lol not for just her shows. Theres something about her
 
snowflake said:
I’m new here so I don’t know your reasons so pls explain.
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I'm transgender, born male. I want to reincarnate so I can experience life as a biological female, in my next life and for the next ten or so lifetimes afterward, no matter how cruel people think the world is.
 
TheDivineOne said:
I'm transgender, born male. I want to reincarnate so I can experience life as a biological female, in my next life and for the next ten or so lifetimes afterward, no matter how cruel people think the world is.
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Leads onto the question on when we reincarnate how much is still us? Im a firm believer in that conciousness remains the same (ie your thinking) but your flesh suit will be different and you'll generally have no idea you existed before, unless you have opened it up, regression or have had trauma in your last life, + some unknown factor
 
The way I see it ... I have a lot of fun in kindergarten; do I want to stay in kindergarten, or I'm looking forward to go to school?

At he other end of the spectrum ... Do I want to continue going to my daily job, or I want to retire? I don't think this is the case of the reincarnation.
 
I'm done suffering, I've seen the worst and best of mankind and I'm done playing this stupid game, IF I reincarnate they better have good cards for me or force me

I shouldn't even have to live this life, I was clinically dead quite a few times

So, I'm out
 
While part of me doesn’t want to come back, a part of me does. I think it’s my underlying desire to make a difference, no matter how insignificant it seems in the bigger picture. As long as I’m striving to make the world a better place, I’ll keep trying. I guess.

And, @snowflake, while women have consistently been downtrodden and beaten through generations, there have also been great women who have risen above the oppression. And, there have been those who have improved standards for future generations.
 
I didn't want to talk about being a woman or a man. Nowadays being a woman is not a big problem, except in specific places, as Snowflake says. There are also women who have done wonderful and great things, coming out of a prejudiced pattern. However, I leave the question to some people: What does it mean to be really a woman?

Returning to the original theme of the thread, because to talk about it deflects the theme completely...

We can all rise from the ashes and make great changes for the world, that's true, I think it's a good reason to return to earth (Remembering that we can reincarnate in an endless number of planets, because reincarnation is not just about living here).

Now that I think about it, maybe I'll reincarnate on another planet and then I'll go back to earth to do something productive. When we are out of the body, our vision is completely different. Sometimes I forget that my soul is something independent of my physical body and my personal convictions in this life.
 
On that gender thing, with reincarnation many men would have experienced being female in previous incarnations. Because im certain we dont continually stick to one gender.
 
snowflake said:
I suppose you have had difficult life and have a point in wanting to be a woman.

I’m and it’s not easy to be a woman.

We always throughout history were worse off. From the biblical whore Magdalene (err... there aren’t whore males whom she sinned with), feet binding in China, burning widows, burning witches, circumcisions till now, Being easy target for all sorts of abuse, being denied education, inheritance, being dumped for getting pregnant with a wrong man, being raped and rejected by the family for loosing honour, being sold to marry and old perv! Being called unclean during menstruting and sent out of the family house to a shed for the duration. Being denied promotion after maternity leave or even laid off (yes unlawful but how many tired young mum’s go to court? not many, they take payoffs). Pain of miscarriage and loosing a child.
Always fighting for better status in society and recognition.
How about all the issues revolving around perfect body, beauty and aging?

I wish you that you got your life as a woman and not in those cruel to females societies.
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I've actually been attempting to sway from the whole gender thing since it's come up over and over and over again in almost all my threads but @snowflake in some weird way I both like and take offense when somebody tells me things like "being a woman is hard, painful, etc." for the satisfaction i get out of telling that person i don't care.

Really, though, is you telling me how hard it is being a woman, and detailing the horrors of being such supposed to make me want it any less?

If you think being a woman is so bad try being transgender. Do you think being trans is any easier?

I can't speak for the entire MTF trans population but me personal - I'd much rather (and really want to) endure menstruation and be called "dirty" or "unclean" for it; experience rape, molestation; endure the pain of childbirth (though the thought of all the pain of it terrifies the hell out of me yet i long to experience pregnancy), even a miscarriage of losing a child than to endure the chronic trauma of being uncomfortable in a body that doesn't represent who you feel you really are or should be.
Not to mention the fact that transgenders aren't exactly a class of people that are loved and favored by society, namely MTF people, who are getting murdered, discriminated against, and face lack of support/acceptance at a much-frequent rate than non trans people and you wanna go on about why being a woman is so bad.

I've said this in the past on this forum and i will say it again - I don't care in the least slightest possible bit about how much "safer" it is being a male or about how men are held at such higher standards than women. I want absolutely nothing to do with being a male... at all.

Getting back to the topic at hand, this was my prime reason for my strong desire to reincarnate - to be female. I wish to know what it's like for the next few lifetimes. I would much rather have an earthly life being female and endure the hardships that come with it than to be in some heavenly places being endlessly happy. Think of me what you will but that's just how unthinkably strong my will to be female is and if you were experiencing what i am you would most likely be thinking/feeling the same way i do.

Speedwell said:
My vote goes to "insufficient information available at this time".
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Is it wrong that I found this post funny? Because I did.
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I am ok with it but being broke and having to take care of family through so much difficulty is a pain in the ***, the next time around I don't want to be broke. Instead of a "normal" Thanksgiving I had to take my mom to the hospital today.... I can only be envious of others who have normal happy unburdened lives of ease and prosperity especially if their family life is perfect with only tiny petty issues to moan about but other wise perfect. The last few rounds couldn't have been great either as the scars are obvious that things haven't been well off nor easy for sometime. I hope that the next life is a one of balance and relative ease at least where health and survival are not the big concerns, the lack of spirituality in this modern society is very concerning.

 
In response to the question in the title of this thread, "Why do people not want to reincarnate?", one only has to look at/read a few NDE (near death experience) accounts to get a picture of that. Almost without exception, there is a reluctance, even a desperation to not return here.

A few return to their body voluntarily, usually because they are able to see that they are needed in order to care for others, such as spouse or children. Maybe children too, want to return, on the grounds that they haven't had a chance to really live yet. But for the most part, coming back here is only done against the person's wishes, the phrase "it's not your time" or something similar is sometimes used. The implication of that latter is interesting, it implies there is an appointed time, we are here according to some sort of plan.

The process of returning to the body is often described as distressing in itself. In some NDE cases of course the body is suffering from some illness or physical damage which makes the transition from absence of pain to unbearable pain more dramatic. But NDEs do occur in otherwise healthy people too, for example in drowning, or even lesser situations. A feeling of being compressed, crushed, in order to squeeze into a physical body, and the feeling of being confined, limited is not entirely a joyful thing. Oddly enough, on this planet, we celebrate birth and mourn death (in some cultures at least). Perhaps we have it the wrong way around.

Returning to the question, "Why do people not want to reincarnate?", I might use an analogy, such as "Why do people not want to live in a submarine?" or "Why do people not want to live at the bottom of the ocean?" (with due respect for those who do this in their working life) - I think these perhaps reflect the dismay of NDE experiencers on their return. As an answer, one might reply, because this is not our natural habitat, it's an alien environment. Sure, the human body belongs here, but the person inside each body, where do they belong?
 
I watched this with great interest, it made me think of this thread, its 50 minutes or so long, however what he says is very interesting.

 
briski said:
Leads onto the question on when we reincarnate how much is still us? Im a firm believer in that conciousness remains the same (ie your thinking) but your flesh suit will be different and you'll generally have no idea you existed before, unless you have opened it up, regression or have had trauma in your last life, + some unknown factor
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I dunno. I was kind of hoping—if i'm understanding you correctly which i barely do—I would at the very least remember how strong my desire was to be a girl. That, at be the exact same attitude, persona, beliefs, personality i do today.

briski said:
Looking at the poll right now, maybe you was right
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I don't care which one you voted for but did you cast your vote, Briski?
 
TheDivineOne said:
I dunno. I was kind of hoping—if i'm understanding you correctly which i barely do—I would at the very least remember how strong my desire was to be a girl. That, at be the exact same attitude, persona, beliefs, personality i do today.



I don't care which one you voted for but did you cast your vote, Briski?
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I did yes
 
I guess I'm one of the few that do want to reincarnate. Maybe the reason most here dont want to reincarnate is because they are old souls and have already had a lot of experience reincarnating and have learned all they need to. I can only remember one past life and I often feel I still have a lot to learn. I guess I'm a young soul then. Also there is something about being alive and the idea to live again in another body in another place and time gives me a sense of comfort. Also as mentioned in another topic I kind of already know what my next life might be like.
 
I am missing a third and maybe forth option, because...
a) it depends on what mood or phase I am in
b) I am aware that while being incarnated we won't see the whole picture

Voted "no" for now, because lately I have been in a phase again during which I feel old and tired and like I have seen it all... during which I feel pain because there is so much cruelty still, war, child abuse, animal abuse... I have lost interest in the things many people are striving for. Material possessions, fame, all that stuff... what for? Which might be a good sign, but leaves me somehow... empty. I am yearning for freedom and peace, and my body and brain sometimes feel like a cage, a trap. Materialism, bureaucracy and seeing how only the technical standard has changed during the last couple millenniums or so...
Then again, I am having phases during which I think that I will want to return. I don't see how music would work in another dimension. Music would be a reason to return. Are there cats in the LBL? What about art, poetry, what ever...? And then, I might decide to return to help others. I do not know how I of all people should be able to help others, but if there is the slightest chance, that by doing tiny acts of "good" I could help, I will return. Over and over again if I must.
Maybe I am just having something like a mid-life crisis. The dark weather doesn't make it any better.
Can the soul have something like a mid-life crisis? Just wondering...
 
For myself, the starting point is that I'm sure my physical-life self has a different perspective than the between-lives self. In that respect I feel I'm not able to comment too much on whether I want to reincarnate or not, since I'm currently in the blinkered perspective of a physical incarnation. But in the meantime, the Buddhist idea that "life is suffering" has my sympathy. It has little or nothing to do with being an 'old soul' - I'm sure I still have a lot to learn, but that doesn't mean that I want to do so.
 
I know without a doubt that if there is a choice to come back or not, I would choose the former. I understand that the perspective is different on a soul level than it is on a physical one, but there are certain factors about who I am that are wired so deeply that they have to exist on a soul level to some extent.

If we are here to learn and grow, then I know that I am not done growing. I doubt one can ever be done growing, as there is always something new to learn, a new perspective to take. If we are here trapped in a cycle of suffering until we can gain an escape route, then I could not leave others behind. One of my core traits (if not my single defining one) is that I feel the endless need to help others and to reshape the world for the better. I might have done this in mistaken ways in the past and I might still be doing so now, but as long as there are humans on this planet, I could never stay on the other side for long.

There are many times when I take a look around me and see the pain and suffering involved in physical incarnation, there are times when I feel like I am too weary of all of this to continue. But there are so many positive aspects to human life as well. Seeing the way people work together to a higher goal, the way they take care of each other and love one another...it is beautiful. Humans make mistakes (some of us more than others), but for the most part, we do our best. It is not a system that I am ready to give up on.
 
Spirit Sword said:
There are many times when I take a look around me and see the pain and suffering involved in physical incarnation, there are times when I feel like I am too weary of all of this to continue.
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That sums up pretty much how I am feeling atm. But I am aware of what you said later and also my own experience. After a phase of weltschmerz and such, there usually comes a phase of bliss again.
 
Speedwell said:
For myself, the starting point is that I'm sure my physical-life self has a different perspective than the between-lives self. In that respect I feel I'm not able to comment too much on whether I want to reincarnate or not, since I'm currently in the blinkered perspective of a physical incarnation. But in the meantime, the Buddhist idea that "life is suffering" has my sympathy. It has little or nothing to do with being an 'old soul' - I'm sure I still have a lot to learn, but that doesn't mean that I want to do so.
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Ha, I just cast my vote, and I have to say that no matter the hardship, Life on this beautiful planet is a wonderful experience when experienced with open eyes.

Having been granted the gift of remembering clear memories of my experience in the higher spheres (and some darker, colder spaces in between), I have come to the realization that a life incarnated is just the other side of the coin: it gives us the ability to experience the action on these dimensions, and I see it as a great tool to evolve and learn as souls, if I may express it this way.

It took me a lot of work on myself to use in their rightful way two fantastic abilities that evolution granted on human beings: both a fantastic sense of memory and an extremely powerful sense of imagination. I have suffered immensely from being haunted by both a strong connection to my memory, both from the hardship of my current life and the horrors of a past life in a dark period of our history. I didn't really live, I survived day by day, trapped in ancient emotions that I couldn't cast away. And when I looked ahead, my imagination was making me suffer for things that had not happened yet. But thankfully I was shown the way, and learned by myself what our societies have forgotten to teach us: that all life happens in the present, and that both the past and the future are pieces of information that we are to use for what they are.

We are very evolved beings, both able to remember clearly the past and imagine our future, and once put in their rightful use, those two abilities have made my life a very interesting journey, one I believe we are all able and granted to experience.

I often pray for the other members I see here to be able to put their memories where they belong, in the past, where they are meant to be and act as powerful lighthouses to light our current ways. May we all use our fantastic abilities to the service of our growth as beings, and hopefully no longer suffer our abilities.

Should I be offered, one day, to choose again to come back and live again, I will gladly jump back in, for there is so many shades and colours to experience that I would probably never get tired of it, no matter the inevitable suffering that we are to experience
 
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