briski
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Aten was/is the main God (the sun god)
Ophelia3
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I find all this very frustrating! I've made a very personal post in the hopes that I could get some help in addressing this seemingly karmic past life/present. To overcome this negativity that inflicts me whenever I attempt to delve into this past, whenever I try to do a past life regression, and etc.
Instead a majority of the responses is clogged with Christian/Gnostic comparisons, completely ignoring the point of the post. These conspiracies do not help whatsoever.
What's else you completely ignore me! I've said that I'm completely obsessed with ancient Egypt, in particular the Amarna period, but somehow from that you gather that I don't know anything about the Amarna period! I've read numerous books and articles in regards to the Amarna period, I shift through the bull, that name you mentioned Sigmund Frued is not taken very seriously in the Egyptological community!
Instead I am currently reading, 'The city of Akhenaten and Nefertiti, Amarna and it's people' written by Barry Kemp! A man whose spent his entire livelihood literally living at Akhetaten studying the city and its inhabitants! And I am telling you that Akhenaten did not banish the worship of all Gods! It was only the main Gods he penaltied the worship of, in particular Amun because the Amun priests were gaining so much power and popularity that they were beginning to threaten the position of that of the Pharaoh! In fact his father was the initiater that planted the seed of this worship of the Aten in the first place, keeping in mind Aten was worshipped in Egypt for hundreds of years prior. The worship of other Gods was allowed! In particular Gods associated with the sun, Bes the god of childbirth and sexuality and other similiar Gods.
Akhenaten attempted to shift the main God from Amun to Aten and Akhetaten was just the city cult for the Aten!
Stop dismissing what I say and facts, thank you!
Instead a majority of the responses is clogged with Christian/Gnostic comparisons, completely ignoring the point of the post. These conspiracies do not help whatsoever.
What's else you completely ignore me! I've said that I'm completely obsessed with ancient Egypt, in particular the Amarna period, but somehow from that you gather that I don't know anything about the Amarna period! I've read numerous books and articles in regards to the Amarna period, I shift through the bull, that name you mentioned Sigmund Frued is not taken very seriously in the Egyptological community!
Instead I am currently reading, 'The city of Akhenaten and Nefertiti, Amarna and it's people' written by Barry Kemp! A man whose spent his entire livelihood literally living at Akhetaten studying the city and its inhabitants! And I am telling you that Akhenaten did not banish the worship of all Gods! It was only the main Gods he penaltied the worship of, in particular Amun because the Amun priests were gaining so much power and popularity that they were beginning to threaten the position of that of the Pharaoh! In fact his father was the initiater that planted the seed of this worship of the Aten in the first place, keeping in mind Aten was worshipped in Egypt for hundreds of years prior. The worship of other Gods was allowed! In particular Gods associated with the sun, Bes the god of childbirth and sexuality and other similiar Gods.
Akhenaten attempted to shift the main God from Amun to Aten and Akhetaten was just the city cult for the Aten!
Stop dismissing what I say and facts, thank you!
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Fernando
Active Member
Forgive me Ophelia.
I got ahead of myself.
Thank you very much for your insight.
Ever considered a fast?
This opens the crown chakra, and cleanses the etheric, emotional and physical body.
The memories will start to flood in as soon as the body is cleansed, and you master the mind.
And Again,
Forgive me.
Thank you.
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John Tat
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One thing I have learnt the hard way is.....you can listen and learn all you like but in the end you must do it for yourself....nothing will be given to you....you must earn it..The only way forward for you is to have the abiliy to meditate...when I say that I mean mediate for real not just think you are...when you do it in the proper manner I have always said you know it' different you go to a different place ....this is just one thing you must earn it can take a very long time...Once you develop this ability you will have the ability to be in contact with your spiritual self and clarity will begin for you...always remember all of it is hard work...very hard if you want to it in the proper manner always keep in the back of your mind as you struggle and struggle....nothing will be given to me I must earn it
Ophelia3
Senior Registered
If you can PM me first that'd be great, as it is I'm having difficulty understanding the PM process, thanks.
Ophelia3
Senior Registered
Forgive me Ophelia.
I got ahead of myself.
Thank you very much for your insight.
Ever considered a fast?
This opens the crown chakra, and cleanses the etheric, emotional and physical body.
The memories will start to flood in as soon as the body is cleansed, and you master the mind.
And Again,
Forgive me.
Thank you.
All is forgiven, do not worry.
Fast, as in not eat for a while? How long do you suggest and how does this open one up spiritually?
Ophelia3
Senior Registered
Yes, I think you are correct, I'll have to try regression again, it's very hard however because I am a very imaginative person and my thoughts come a dozen at a time so not to soil the regression is very hard.
Fernando
Active Member
All is forgiven, do not worry.
Fast, as in not eat for a while? How long do you suggest and how does this open one up spiritually?
The body.....a system of complex yet simple functions and an intelligence of it's own.
Our whole lifes we are accustomed to our survival, always thinking we need food and water else we die.
You've heard of yogis, monks, masters and buddhas around the world, mainly in tibet, Yes?
How many no longer needed food or water because they have mastered the body and mind with practices that cleanse, and raise vibration, but learn to ground so that the soul doesn't leave. Haha. Similar to Yeshua in the bible, the man was vibrating at such a high rate, that he was able to pierce minds and sub conscious memories, even their past lives.
Fasting does this....
It purges all emotional, mental, etheric centers(chakras), and physical body.
When you stop eating, the energy used for digestion is now being used to repair the vessel and get any toxins out.
Like a hose, when you turn the water on but there are knots and blocks, fasting is used to free these knots and blocks. And of course, there are practices like meditation, asanas, bandhas(locks)
And many more.
Try going slow for now, say like a 12 hour fast for one day, slowly going up to 16 for another, then 20 and finally to 24. Train your body.
Mind will get more crystal clear and Obedient.
Uncontrolled Anger will Disappear,
And Gratuitous Love will Appear.
Give meditation and fasting a try.
You got this!
I'm sure the memories will start to flood in no time.
briski
Senior Registered
How many threads doyou want to have on
Amarna period? This ones "ancient Eygpt And sun....please help..." and theres one called "Amarna period" oh well not to woory
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi Briski,
I think this thread is very different, as Ophelia is really talking about a specific religious or quasi-religious issue in her life rather than just her experiences in a particular period of history. She basically seems to have an innate "tendency" or perhaps is "drawn" towards something akin to sun worship. I don't understand it too well myself, as I was never a sun worshiper in the old fashioned sense (at least not that I know of), nor do I have much interest in the modern revivals of Khemetism/Neterism. That is one reason why I sought John Tat, as one who I believe understands this "pull" and has his own distinctive understanding of ancient Egypt. However, Ophelia also is experiencing a deep inner conflict about this pull and seems to be pulled in different and conflicting directions in re her current life. I do understand this. In fact, I have had to struggle with the pull of the current lifetime and its needs and requirements versus the conflicting pull of forces and memories from the past, so much so that I have more-or-less sworn off trying to find out much more about the particulars of PLs. (This is not much of a promise as I have also found myself "blocked" in many of my attempts--something she also seems to experience in some degree). Anyhow, I wish her the best and hope she finds her way thought this. My only insight is that THIS is the life we are living now. I believe it has to take precedence, but there can be room for a bit from back then as well. (As long as it doesn't become a destructive rather than a constructive force in your current life). What that will mean in her life is up to her to find out. I'm still trying to figure it out myself.
Cordially,
S&S
PS--At one time in my life I was a bit of a "sun worshiper" in the modern sense, as I loved sun and being in the ocean, especially with a surf board. However, that is "ancient history" for this oldster.
PPS--I think that if Ophelia is experiencing some blocking it is because something in her unconscious--like mine--perceives some problems/dangers inherent in becoming too deeply drawn into and under the "spell" of some of the things that are pulling at her. Why that would be, and whether such problems/dangers are really there is once again up to her to discern.
PPPS--Disclaimer: I am a very definite monotheist and follower of Christ. So, I should let that be known. I realize that in some religions the sun was held to be the supreme symbol of "the one" and ancient Egyptian religion seems to be a bit "slippery" in terms of whether the many are just aspects of the one or not. However, I must admit that I have to overcome a degree of innate antipathy when it comes to polytheistic religions. Once again, just letting that be know in terms of "full disclosure" lest anyone think I come to the topic without (like everyone else) my own unique biases.
I think this thread is very different, as Ophelia is really talking about a specific religious or quasi-religious issue in her life rather than just her experiences in a particular period of history. She basically seems to have an innate "tendency" or perhaps is "drawn" towards something akin to sun worship. I don't understand it too well myself, as I was never a sun worshiper in the old fashioned sense (at least not that I know of), nor do I have much interest in the modern revivals of Khemetism/Neterism. That is one reason why I sought John Tat, as one who I believe understands this "pull" and has his own distinctive understanding of ancient Egypt. However, Ophelia also is experiencing a deep inner conflict about this pull and seems to be pulled in different and conflicting directions in re her current life. I do understand this. In fact, I have had to struggle with the pull of the current lifetime and its needs and requirements versus the conflicting pull of forces and memories from the past, so much so that I have more-or-less sworn off trying to find out much more about the particulars of PLs. (This is not much of a promise as I have also found myself "blocked" in many of my attempts--something she also seems to experience in some degree). Anyhow, I wish her the best and hope she finds her way thought this. My only insight is that THIS is the life we are living now. I believe it has to take precedence, but there can be room for a bit from back then as well. (As long as it doesn't become a destructive rather than a constructive force in your current life). What that will mean in her life is up to her to find out. I'm still trying to figure it out myself.
Cordially,
S&S
PS--At one time in my life I was a bit of a "sun worshiper" in the modern sense, as I loved sun and being in the ocean, especially with a surf board. However, that is "ancient history" for this oldster.
PPS--I think that if Ophelia is experiencing some blocking it is because something in her unconscious--like mine--perceives some problems/dangers inherent in becoming too deeply drawn into and under the "spell" of some of the things that are pulling at her. Why that would be, and whether such problems/dangers are really there is once again up to her to discern.
PPPS--Disclaimer: I am a very definite monotheist and follower of Christ. So, I should let that be known. I realize that in some religions the sun was held to be the supreme symbol of "the one" and ancient Egyptian religion seems to be a bit "slippery" in terms of whether the many are just aspects of the one or not. However, I must admit that I have to overcome a degree of innate antipathy when it comes to polytheistic religions. Once again, just letting that be know in terms of "full disclosure" lest anyone think I come to the topic without (like everyone else) my own unique biases.
Ophelia3
Senior Registered
How many threads doyou want to have on
Amarna period? This ones "ancient Eygpt And sun....please help..." and theres one called "Amarna period" oh well not to woory
I think you'll find the threads are very different but thanks for your concern.
Ophelia3
Senior Registered
The body.....a system of complex yet simple functions and an intelligence of it's own.
Our whole lifes we are accustomed to our survival, always thinking we need food and water else we die.
You've heard of yogis, monks, masters and buddhas around the world, mainly in tibet, Yes?
How many no longer needed food or water because they have mastered the body and mind with practices that cleanse, and raise vibration, but learn to ground so that the soul doesn't leave. Haha. Similar to Yeshua in the bible, the man was vibrating at such a high rate, that he was able to pierce minds and sub conscious memories, even their past lives.
Fasting does this....
It purges all emotional, mental, etheric centers(chakras), and physical body.
When you stop eating, the energy used for digestion is now being used to repair the vessel and get any toxins out.
Like a hose, when you turn the water on but there are knots and blocks, fasting is used to free these knots and blocks. And of course, there are practices like meditation, asanas, bandhas(locks)
And many more.
Try going slow for now, say like a 12 hour fast for one day, slowly going up to 16 for another, then 20 and finally to 24. Train your body.
Mind will get more crystal clear and Obedient.
Uncontrolled Anger will Disappear,
And Gratuitous Love will Appear.
Give meditation and fasting a try.
You got this!
I'm sure the memories will start to flood in no time.
I will give this a try, a detox and cleanse is exactly what I need! As you've suggested I'll start off slow in small pieces, whilst meditating.
I'll update you on how it develops. I understand research is now indicating that fasting actually lengthens your life!
In the prehistoric days groups of humans often didn't have food for days! Same with most wild animals!
Thank you for your advice!
Ophelia3
Senior Registered
Thank you, that was a awesome read and puts a lot of what I've been experiencing into words. From that I think I can look at it and approach it appropriately!
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi Ophelia,
I'm glad I could help, but wish I could do more. The problem is that I am still struggling with the same issues myself. Different "pulls/pushes" from the past causing different conflicts with the present, but the same kind of blocks, etc. Let me know how your efforts come out--I remain curious about whether there is a way out of my current impasse and/or whether I should even be trying.
Cordially,
S&S
I'm glad I could help, but wish I could do more. The problem is that I am still struggling with the same issues myself. Different "pulls/pushes" from the past causing different conflicts with the present, but the same kind of blocks, etc. Let me know how your efforts come out--I remain curious about whether there is a way out of my current impasse and/or whether I should even be trying.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S Once again you are talking about your blocks and conflicts in much the same manner you have over a long period of time...As you know these happenings are not just what is happening to you its also happening to many others.. As I have said before the only way you can get to a place to resolve some of these problems is to mediate and contact your spiritual self... you have said in the past you cannot do that.. that it is beyond what you can do..Meditating in the proper manner is difficult... its difficult for me to understand how people have such difficulty in doing it in the proper manner.. my experience has told me as long as you really want it... that you are prepared to put in the dedication of years of work if that is what is required ... then you can do it.. You talk about just as others do about the pulls/pushes from the past causing different conflicts...As I sort through these types of things with BB my spiritual self I discover almost all of them have little to do with the past... they are all conflicts within the physical John Tat.. this physical life.. If these conflicts are inner deep conflicts then you may need medical help in dealing with them.. Imagination is a very powerful influence in our lives and can guide us very much onto the wrong track and wrong beliefs .I have to deal with my imagination with all of the strength I can gather
Wishing you all the best
Wishing you all the best
Ophelia3
Senior Registered
I too struggle with meditation/regression...
my imagination is a key struggle, I have a crazy imagination, I don't want modern external influences impacting my regression.
Also all the intrusive thoughts, I basically gave up before whereas I wish I hadn't, maybe I'd know a lot more today but there were many conflicting feelings, feelings of unease, feelings that I was being intrusive, that I was unwanted in these regressions.
I am going to meditate/regress today however, I'll let you know how it goes..
There and back again
Senior Member
I like to call it the baggage that for some people it is so hard to deal with especially when the plate is full so to speak, certainly drives me crazy with each and every passing day. The lack of real freedom in the current era gets me the most and having to worry about everything because of money always being the wall and chain.
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
I appreciate your thoughts, but it would be untrue to say that I do not meditate. However, my aims and techniques are probably different from yours. Likewise, there is an element of caution in my approach to these matters that you do not seem to share. To begin with, I believe the memory barrier is not a meaningless inconvenience. It serves to protect us from the issues of the past and allow a fresh start. Nonetheless, things still come through for some of us and we have to deal with them (one of the many reasons this board serves a useful purpose). Usually that means finding out more rather than trying to suppress. However, then the question becomes how hard to push and delve? How far do we need to go? How much is enough? We are all curious, but does our curiosity actually help us in our lives now? Often times I have found that it does not. Likewise, I have found that the old adage, "Be careful what you wish for!" is no joke. Finding out things about PLs is not a panacea and can actually be the source of heart-ache and turmoil. (Jim can probably say more on that point). From another standpoint, I also have never been sure that your techniques have brought you to your own true inner self, rather than to contact with a pair of obsessing spirits. I have made my concerns on this clear at various times, but don't like to push them as I don't wish to offend you. Plus, I could be dead wrong and you could be right! Besides, I cannot clearly see that any harm is being done. In fact, there could definitely be some good there. It is all too deep and ambiguous for me to be able to say. In any case, it has brought out a lot of interesting information, and I don't believe anyone could dissuade you from traveling further down your chosen path even if they tried. Still, I appreciate your advice and thank you for your concern.
Hi There and Back again,
I am with you 100% on your last post.
Cordially,
S&S
I appreciate your thoughts, but it would be untrue to say that I do not meditate. However, my aims and techniques are probably different from yours. Likewise, there is an element of caution in my approach to these matters that you do not seem to share. To begin with, I believe the memory barrier is not a meaningless inconvenience. It serves to protect us from the issues of the past and allow a fresh start. Nonetheless, things still come through for some of us and we have to deal with them (one of the many reasons this board serves a useful purpose). Usually that means finding out more rather than trying to suppress. However, then the question becomes how hard to push and delve? How far do we need to go? How much is enough? We are all curious, but does our curiosity actually help us in our lives now? Often times I have found that it does not. Likewise, I have found that the old adage, "Be careful what you wish for!" is no joke. Finding out things about PLs is not a panacea and can actually be the source of heart-ache and turmoil. (Jim can probably say more on that point). From another standpoint, I also have never been sure that your techniques have brought you to your own true inner self, rather than to contact with a pair of obsessing spirits. I have made my concerns on this clear at various times, but don't like to push them as I don't wish to offend you. Plus, I could be dead wrong and you could be right! Besides, I cannot clearly see that any harm is being done. In fact, there could definitely be some good there. It is all too deep and ambiguous for me to be able to say. In any case, it has brought out a lot of interesting information, and I don't believe anyone could dissuade you from traveling further down your chosen path even if they tried. Still, I appreciate your advice and thank you for your concern.
Hi There and Back again,
I am with you 100% on your last post.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S ...Another good post... I would enjoy a frank and open discussion about BB my spiritual self and my source.. don't be concerned about offending me .. the only times I have become annoyed about this subject is when people have assumed they are both obsessing and/or evil spirits .That is annoying to me because those beliefs are based upon a total lack of understandings and knowledge about what is actually going on
It's the old story.. if you are different and express opinions, beliefs and also knowledge that are opposed to many things that are believed to be right and true .. then something must be wrong.... even evil
So I would welcome an open and honest discussions with you and anyone else who would like to join in about what is going on with BB and my source.. It would be interesting in ways others could compare there spiritual selves and guides to mine.. and to the others as well... The tread ....receiving information from a source would be the place to have this discussion...because that is what the discussion would be about.... if you would like that then I would welcome your opening comments...
All The Best
It's the old story.. if you are different and express opinions, beliefs and also knowledge that are opposed to many things that are believed to be right and true .. then something must be wrong.... even evil
So I would welcome an open and honest discussions with you and anyone else who would like to join in about what is going on with BB and my source.. It would be interesting in ways others could compare there spiritual selves and guides to mine.. and to the others as well... The tread ....receiving information from a source would be the place to have this discussion...because that is what the discussion would be about.... if you would like that then I would welcome your opening comments...
All The Best
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SeaAndSky
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Hi John,
That sounds like a good idea.
I'll make a post there, probably in regard to meditation techniques, goals and results. Hopefully we can get some interaction from others as well in terms of their own techniques. I don't have a lot to say about guides, but you've obviously had a lot of experience on that front and others may as well.
Cordially,
S&S
That sounds like a good idea.
I'll make a post there, probably in regard to meditation techniques, goals and results. Hopefully we can get some interaction from others as well in terms of their own techniques. I don't have a lot to say about guides, but you've obviously had a lot of experience on that front and others may as well.
Cordially,
S&S
Angie Brown
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I don't know about the gods matter, but I Liked because I doubt he had anything to do with Moses.
'The Hyksos invasion of Egypt'. Complete with ringlets at the sides. Proto Hebrews/israelites. They were rulers of Upper Egypt for a few generations until ash from the volcano on Thera ruined their crops etc. They went to Lower Egypt for some time and the Pharoah there told them to go to Canaan, which was a tribute paying territory. Pharoahs were also called gods. Thus Canaan became the land promised by god. So, not slaves but one time rulers. Maybe their elite interpretated no longer being rulers as being slaves. This is how I comprehend it from my various reading (not memories. I have no memmories of ancient Egypt and don't believe I was there. That being the case, of course I am not in a position to debate with anyone who believes they have actual definite memories that don't fit with what I have written).
So, I suspect you could well be very correct about Moses. I hope you find the answers that bring you peace.
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Angie Brown
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Although I doubt that the RC were the only ones.
Angie Brown
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We can agree to differ then.
There and back again
Senior Member
How can you not read that thread and think that way? I despise modern thinking sigh.
SeekerOfKnowledge
Learner
That particular thought is not modern at all, probably. It kinda rings a bell... from a time long past...
What I despise of modern thinking is how people argue. How they "debate". No respect for the other side, and instead of trying to explain their personal views with logical points, who shouts loudest claims to be right.
There and back again
Senior Member
Exactly and worse still so many who ascribe to it are almost copies of each other in their thinking which disturbs me greatly, it gets much worse with those who are college age and frankly I can't relate to people of my own generation outside of gaming so great the differences are. As for me I am just an old soul trapped in the modern world wondering how it is all going to end and where.
SeekerOfKnowledge
Learner
That's how I feel all to often. Trapped in a body and surrounding that feels horribly out of place and time. Yet I still struggle to be more positive, because negativity won't help anybody, including myself.