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kylepltlvr

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Hi, I'm new here, and very glad to find this forum.
I really don't know how to put this, but my friend recently had a child, and I'm kinda wondering if he could be our friend Dylan that died about 13 years ago. I'm sure most people get effected by a love ones death, and want to reconnect with that person, but I've kinda always wanted to find out if, and what the timeline pattern for reincarnaton is.
Somewhere I heard that part of finding the child Dali lama had to do with the time of death somehow matching up with the time of birth. The Tibetian past life(s) reading I got was amazing, and I guess was based on astrology, and mathematics. I guess my left brain is saying "I want some concrete info to connect the dots", and my right brain is like " wow, what if he is the same person".
Hanging out with the two of them has got some old personal dynamics flowing again, but it may be just my imagination.
Thanks for any info!
Kyle:D
This one reminds me of the Dali lamas smile:laugh:
 
Welcome to the forum. I think the time it takes to reincarnate can vary from 1 day to years. Just depends but i don't know on what. I just know that I've read research of proven cases of reincarnation and the time really varies.
Vicky
 
Hi Vicky, thanks for the response!
I was under the impression that it was more of a "within the time frame of months" type thing. Like somehow the month, and day would match up. Or the death date, and birth date would have some corillation. With the science of Tibetan astrology it seems like this type of thing would be more well known. :thumbsup: I'm fascinated to hear more, and have posted on a astrologly forum, but would like to find a better one geared toward Tibetan reincarnaton.
Thanks, Kyle
 
I'm not sure about the Tibetan ideas but I have a book regarding it that I will check for you. I also heard of someone that did some research that said something about the average time to reincarnate is 9 months. However, the memory is faint and I have heard so many other stories about it taking longer and shorter that I don't give that theory much thought.
Vicky
 
I think the time frame is different for everyone. I do not think there is any set time for someone to reincarnate. It could be straight away after death or many years after depending on the individual and personal cirumstances.
 
Thanks for your comments, but I guess I need to rephrase the question.
I'm wondering within the twelve months of the zodiac(could be 1 year could be 20 years), what is the pattern for reincarnaton? It seems like everything goes in a repeating cycle, and for some reason I feel like there is a concrete anwser to the death/birth date, or maybe even a pattern in the birth/birth date.
I was a little mixed up on a previous post and the past life astrology was actually hindu/hindi.
 
Death to birth times

A most interesting question, Kylepltlvr. There are many options after the death of a person:

1. A soul dies and reincarnates immediately after death; or

2. There is a period between death and reincarnation which could be days, months, years or centuries.

In either case there are three options:

a) soul reincarnates into the foetus at conception. This would give a minimum nine-month gap between death date and birthday.

b) soul reincarnates into the foetus at some time between conception and birth. This would give a gap that could be as little as a few days.

c) there is overlap between the death and re-birth; the 'soul' does not migrate until some time after the child is born; at the time the child first has consciousness or awareness. [I have a very vague recollection or feeling of 'being aware of being aware' as a baby]​

So - six options - it may be that all can be true.

What do you think?

Michal
 
Hi Kyle:

Welcome!! Interesting Question, good answers given here.
It seems like everything goes in a repeating cycle, and for some reason I feel like there is a concrete anwser to the death/birth date, or maybe even a pattern in the birth/birth date
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I would have a difficult time even fathoming that there is some type of "cycle" to reincarnation, as there is really no rhyme to reincarnation- it just is. All souls are different and reincarnate when the time is right for them. Have you searched the forum here? There are so many varying stories on when people reincarnated.

You mentioned reincarnation and astrology-- have you read any books on this?

Astrology and reincarnation do not seem to be intertwined to me. Though I find astrology fun, I don't have a strong belief in it because all personalities are different no matter what their sign is. Yet, I know of the existence of reincarnation because of my own experience.

Nothing is ever set in stone. If there were a timeline for death/reincarnation, I am sure it would make world news by now. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
Thanks for those very informative responses.
I whole heartily believe in astrology, it being used for thousands of years based on star/sun/moon/asteroids positions. I think alot of is "intertainment astrology", but it can get so specific/in depth in predicting things that I think it can actually be harmful to a persons personal growth(when they can see whats coming around the corner, and not being in the moment). I had an expensive predictive chart done(for a summer season), and I didn't really pay attention to that part of the chart until afterwards. I was shocked to say the least(even showed me going to a three day concert on a particular date, which I did), as well as a few other intense things that happened that summer.
I also got another expensive astrology reading from the same gal, which was a Hindu past life astrology. It matched up really well with my personal qualities, and some of the places of the past life are places that my REALLY recent ancestors lived. My brother got his done, and seeing his really made me a beliver. I really think there are some great astrologer out there, but they probally aren't easy to find.
In India they use them for arranged marriges!
Knowing about how powerful this kind of info is wouldn't surprise me if it was a well kept secret, especially within Tibetian Bhudism which has been very gaurded to outsiders in the past. In the wrong hands that kind of info could be harmful!
Kyle
 
By "in the wrong hands" I'm mostly referring to the Chinese government which have killed many Tibetians, and have fairly recently kidnapped one of the Dali Lamas disciples(not sure of his name) that was a reincarnated child, and he is supposedly being held against his will in Beijing, China.
My whole thought process on this question started when I heard that the the current Dali Lama was found at the age of two by visiting villages with children that were born on a particular date, and testing those children to see if they recognized any of his spirital objects, or personal items. They obviously had to know what the date was within a few days to narrow down the search. This has worked for finding him 14 times, since I don't know when, but it is incredible. I guess they use the same process to find the other Lamas.
Maybe he reincarnates instantly, making the process of finding him relitivly easy. If so, or if not there still has got to be some sort of pattern to coming back(just my opinion/feeling).
Thanks,
 
Susie said:
Hi Kyle:

I would have a difficult time even fathoming that there is some type of "cycle" to reincarnation, as there is really no rhyme to reincarnation- it just is. All souls are different and reincarnate when the time is right for them. ... Astrology and reincarnation do not seem to be intertwined to me. Though I find astrology fun, I don't have a strong belief in it because all personalities are different no matter what their sign is.
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There is something in your date of birth having some outcome on yoru personality, but I suspect it has more to do with the seasons than with stars and planets... a child born in March would have had a well-fed mother during pregnancy, and then had lean milk as the mother would have found food less plentiful at the end of Northern Hemisphere winter; a child born in June would have had less nutrition in the womb but had fatter milk; a child born in December would have had to survive a harsh winter immediately. These environmental factors are far less noticeable today, but astrology might have been an answer at the time as to why people born at a certain time had certain characteristics (caused by different brain nutrition as a foetus/infant).

I must say I agree with Susie - reincarnation does not follow a pattern.

Interesting again to consider the notion of 'time' as 'sequence', and time-travelling particles able to pass from the future into the past that trigger premonitions...

I believe that one day, religious beliefs and science will merge.

Michal
 
Great post!
I agree that science and religious beliefs will merge. I makes me feel great that someone else thinks that too.
I never really thought about the seasons, and the womb, but that makes alot of sense, and I think it is true.
The stars, and astrology is kind of science, and it comes from mathematics, which I think is great, but the same things came be found through meditation and other things, which are probally more benifitial to most people.
Thanks,
Kyle
 
Susie said:
Hi Kyle:

Welcome!! Interesting Question, good answers given here. I would have a difficult time even fathoming that there is some type of "cycle" to reincarnation, as there is really no rhyme to reincarnation- it just is. All souls are different and reincarnate when the time is right for them. Have you searched the forum here? There are so many varying stories on when people reincarnated.

You mentioned reincarnation and astrology-- have you read any books on this?

Astrology and reincarnation do not seem to be intertwined to me. Though I find astrology fun, I don't have a strong belief in it because all personalities are different no matter what their sign is. Yet, I know of the existence of reincarnation because of my own experience.

Nothing is ever set in stone. If there were a timeline for death/reincarnation, I am sure it would make world news by now. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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I have to agree with Susie on this. From what I've read, there is no set pattern to reincarnation. I think each soul may have a loose pattern of its own, but that the pattern can and is altered when needed. I've also read that the soul can visit the body it will inhabit, but not stay, until just before birth. That might not be the same in every situation. Since our souls may need to digest the experiences from each life before reincarnating, I can see where different time patterns or cycles could be possible.

John
 
I have come to understand that the world of souls is connected to the world of personalitys,(us).Remembering past lives happens when the same soul/personality,share useage of a body.When your experence as a human being,is mundane,the soul has little interest.When an event of consequence presents it,self, the soul is sure to be aware and sometimes intervene.At these special moments,memories are matched,and many times present in future lives.The time out of incarnation may consist of:Developing a better bond between personality and soul,upcomeing world events that are front and center attractions,like living through the 50,s/60,s.A host of other reasons.Without reincarnation,lets face it, we would all be stuck in the 3rd grade......LOVE....
 
Welcome to the forum stuffpuppet. So, what brings you here? Feel free to jump in and share when you feel comfortable.
Vicky
 
This is a very interesting subject!

I've always felt that:

1. The point at which the soul enters the body depends on the person. In cases of people who are anxious for physical life, this might happen at conception, and in other cases, it might wait until birth or even afterwards (for people who are not attracted to physical life).

2. Paradoxically, I think rough plans for future lives are begun long before the lives themselves. The general themes of future lives may be decided even before one's current life begins. These are like rough sketches and the final details are not filled in until the last minute --- and the plans may be drastically changed even then.

I had a very vivid dream that claimed to show me a future life: In it, "I" (i.e. the dream version of me) recalled a past life that is like what I'm living now).

All my (current) life, I've felt that I was "meant" to die at the age of 10. I've always been an asthmatic and had a particularly severe attack when I was 10. My parents were opposed to medical care of any kind (on philosophical grounds --- although they were militant atheists, they ironically had many opinions similar to those of Jehovah's Witnesses...).

So I had this asthma attack at night and staggered into a shower and turned the water on (which soothed my asthma sometimes), expecting to suffocate --- and feeling that this was "supposed" to happen.I was genuinely surprised to wake up the next morning. My asthma hadn't gone away but had subsided somewhat.

3. I also think groups of lives share a common theme --- as if one is exploring a kind of philosophical question and viewing it from different angles. Although this sounds abstract, it isn't, because exploring philosophical questions by living lives is --- well, a matter of life and death. These "abstract" questions lead to great suffering or triumph.

In my case, I think it was a kind of question like "what's the value of intellect or learning?"

Although this sounds abstract, I think, in one life intellectual pursuits was the only way I kept my sanity in a somewhat barbaric world (it didn't work in the long run). In my present life, intellect was a way out of poverty.

Anyway, this is just my $.02.
 
Is time linear though?

I have been reading this thread and it struck me that everyone seems to think of time as being linear. But what if after death time is something altogether different so that between lives you do get aeons of recovering from a prior lifetime and yet are still reborn into a new life immediately after physical death.

Just an idea..somehow this feels right to me.

As Albert Einstein allegedly said, “People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”
 
Hi Sybille,

The concept of being reborn immediately after death would not help explain all the spiritual contacts with spiritual entities while they are not incarnated, don't you think?
 
Hi everyone,
Interesting thread.

This is just my opinion but I thought I'd add a couple of thoughts.

One is that once we leave the physical body we're no longer subject to the limitations of the body and physical realms and that would include time. We step out of time. So time might be passing here on this plane but it's altogether something different 'out there'. So all of the shared ideas could be true from this bigger and more inclusive perspective.

The other thing is that beyond the acceptance of linearity, there also seems to be an acceptance of the idea that we're all evolving in the same way and time and for the same purpose, etc. I don't think that's necessarily true. The universe is a big place. We don't have to be heading down the same path to find the 'one true' anything. Salmon anyone?

Life and life cycles could be different not only for each of as individuals but as groups as well. There will be commonalities but there will also be plenty of differences. That's why its so hard to nail down anything solid as far as science, religion, or anything else. We forget that everything is possible because we keep trying to fit timelessness into linearity. We keep trying to make things make sense to our present mind and senses when it's plainly bigger than that.

Some people might take a time out between lives. Others might dive right back into the nearest body. Some might not want to come back at all and go to some other place or plane. And it all probably depends on the person's belief system and how easily, or not, that person can slide back into the more cosmic awareness of things within the bigger scene.

But then, sometimes my mind is so wide open I'm pretty sure my brain is about to fall out. :P

Wulfie
 
Charles Stuart said:
Hi Sybille,

The concept of being reborn immediately after death would not help explain all the spiritual contacts with spiritual entities while they are not incarnated, don't you think?
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You are still thinking of time as being linear :tongue: As to spiritual contact, isn't it plausible that our spirit/soul is present in different dimensions while only our physical body is confined to the physical realm?
 
Hi Sybille,

These are concepts that I, personally, disagree with. It is not within my "belief system" that there might be an "oversoul" of some kind. My own belief is in the unicity of the Soul/Spirit, which, nevertheless, is capable of expanding, or capable of leaving the physical body, or even of being at two places at the same time.

I also believe in a certain degree, at least, of time linearity, even some form of "linearity" in the spiritual realms, as there is still a "sequence of events"... :rolleyes:
 
Hi again,

I just thought I'd also point out that, as far as I know, in my lifetime prior to this one, I died in 1944. In this lifetime I was born in 1960... :thumbsup:
 
Hi kylepltlvr

I am just curious why do you think the child is the reincarnation of your friend? Does he exhibit similar behaviour, or do you just look into his eyes and know...? This is the question I find most of interest.
 
Hi Alaska: I too find this thread interesting. I just ran across it as I was looking at some threads that had not been active recently. For myself, I begin by admitting that there is so much that I simply do not know. I also believe that our linear concept of time is probably something that comes out of our experiences living this life and that the concept of time is probably different when we are between lives. That understanding is however on an intellectual level, on a more ´down-to-earth´ level, while I can intellectually conceive of time being non-linear, I cannot comprehend what non-linear time is or how it would be perceived.


That having been said, I wonder if, using our linear time frame, if souls do not vary in the times between incarnations. It would seem logical that under some circumstances a quick return would be in order and in other circumstances more time for reflection might be called for. Therefore, and this is just my hunch, I would tend to think that there is no ´set´ period between incarnations.


As to my own perceptions, I have memories of one prior life. Those memories place me as living in the 1910s, 20s and 30s. Based upon other things (such as my age in the memories and feeling of affinity to certain historical events) I believe that I was probably born around 1900 and died before 1945, and perhaps earlier. These dates are not set in stone, and tomorrow, I might have a revelation that changes them, but this is what I now have discovered. As in this incarnation I was born in 1961, that would mean that there was a 16 year gap between these lives. I do not discount the possibility of a life (or lives) between my current life and the one I remember, but I have had no memories of such a life. I have often wondered about past lives that ended very early. Many people die in infancy and in early childhood so it seems logical that many of us have experienced those lives. As a question, I wonder if any of the members out there have recovered memories from lives where they died very young (say before the age of 6)? If so I would be fascinated to hear from them. Perhaps there are threads that I have missed in this regard.
 
Charles Stuart said:
Hi Sybille,

The concept of being reborn immediately after death would not help explain all the spiritual contacts with spiritual entities while they are not incarnated, don't you think?
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It would if we were everywhere all at one time. It is hard for my brain to grasp, but we would be living our life in multiple lives at once with every moment currently occurring. Whether we are in between, or tangible it would all be at one moment. I do know there is an in between where you get repaired in beautiful colored lights, you pick your life goals, challenges, and parents, but it would be happening in a blink of an eye. And time moves waaaay slower in our current state, other than when you are in the light source.
 
sybille said:
Is time linear though?

I have been reading this thread and it struck me that everyone seems to think of time as being linear. But what if after death time is something altogether different so that between lives you do get aeons of recovering from a prior lifetime and yet are still reborn into a new life immediately after physical death.

Just an idea..somehow this feels right to me.

As Albert Einstein allegedly said, “People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”
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This is the context of Einstein's quote:

Albert Einstein made the statement, **"For those of us who believe in physics, the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion,"** in a letter to the family of his close friend Michele Besso following Besso's death in **1955**. This context is significant as it frames the quote not merely as a scientific assertion, but as a personal reflection on grief and the nature of time.

### Context of the Quote

- **Occasion**: The quote was part of a condolence letter written shortly after Besso's passing, a month before Einstein himself died.
- **Purpose**: The letter was meant to comfort Besso’s family and communicate Einstein's philosophical thoughts about the nature of reality and time, rather than to present a scientific theory.
- **Interpretation**: Einstein’s words reflect his complex views on time as influenced by his theories of relativity, suggesting that our perception of time as linear may not align with the fundamental nature of the universe.

### Scientific Implications

While this quote suggests a philosophical stance on time, it is important to note that Einstein did not elaborate further on this idea in scientific literature. Thus, interpretations of the quote vary widely, often leading to discussions among physicists and philosophers about whether time can genuinely be regarded as an illusion.

This blend of personal sentiment and theoretical intrigue has made Einstein's quote resonate across various fields and attracted both interest and misinterpretation over the years.
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On the other hand, I believe too that we misinterpret the nature of time, but also the simultaneity of events.
 
CarmelitaK said:
It would if we were everywhere all at one time. It is hard for my brain to grasp, but we would be living our life in multiple lives at once with every moment currently occurring. Whether we are in between, or tangible it would all be at one moment. I do know there is an in between where you get repaired in beautiful colored lights, you pick your life goals, challenges, and parents, but it would be happening in a blink of an eye. And time moves waaaay slower in our current state, other than when you are in the light source.
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Hi CarmelitaK,

Welcome to the board! You might find it interesting to search "Druze" on the board and review the thread that comes up related to their religious beliefs on reincarnation. They are a Muslim sect (or I suppose heresy--depending on which Muslim group is rendering an opinion) that I find quite interesting. They share a belief that basically amounts to instantaneous or close to instantaneous re-incarnation into the womb of their mother to be (in most cases) upon death.

So, instead of Doom to Tomb o_O, I suppose they could say Doom to Womb. ;) It apparently makes them very brave soldiers, as death just means their soul will immediately transfer to an available unborn child in the womb of their next Druze mother.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--They were researched by Ian Stevenson, with some interesting cases of childhood memories of past lives.
 
sybille said:
Is time linear though?

I have been reading this thread and it struck me that everyone seems to think of time as being linear. But what if after death time is something altogether different so that between lives you do get aeons of recovering from a prior lifetime and yet are still reborn into a new life immediately after physical death.

Just an idea..somehow this feels right to me.

As Albert Einstein allegedly said, “People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”
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Sybille,

Great question. From souls' perspective there is no time as we already live in eternity. While incarnated on the physical plane do we experience time as linear from one moment to the next. On the astral plane one can and does experience time as backwards, forwards and in the present moment. However once soul reaches the soul plane some may call this the causal plane, we are above time as we understand it.

For you see time is an illusion of the mind. And the mind exists on the mental plane. At death we drop the physical body and reside on the astral plane for some time. Once the astral life is finished, we once again shed the astral body and move into the next higher dimension the mental plane. Here we use our mental body. This is where most religions on the earth plane have their heaven at this stage of spiritual evolution. So, our stay there can be for thousands of years. But this too comes to an end, and we shed the mental body and rise into the soul plane. This dimension is the true home of the soul. It is also where we make our decision to reincarnate again because here, we are above time and duality of the lower worlds. On the causal plane time is experiences as a singularity where all possible realities and outcomes are experienced all at the same time.

This is where we make our decision to reincarnate because here, we can view and experience various possible future lifetimes that will best suite our karmic lessons and spiritual evolution with the souls we have connection with, within our soul group. We even play out certain scenarios to see what is the best fit before we would commit to a lifetime once again in the lower worlds where we forget all this when we are born.

So, in reality there is no time. Because from soul perspective we always exist in the present moment of the now. There is no, past, and there is no future, there on only the present moment of the now. And because of this, we already live in eternity.

Love and peace

Polairs
 
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