Wow classics, that is quite the cliff-hanger! Please post links to your book or your information!classics said:"...This man is believed to have actually been reincarnated into a living body. If the urban legends are true, it is the most “undocumented” case of reincarnation in history and this one man actually affected history. He was kept locked in an insane asylum, surrounded by armed American soldiers, and is alleged to be buried in the Arlington National Cemetery under a false name.
I, too, would love to see that. :thumbsup:liberty said:Wow classics, that is quite the cliff-hanger! Please post links to your book or your information!
Pretty amazing Marc if it is him singing. Wld love to take a look at his astrology chart ... I bet that, if the 2 are the same soul, there would be indicators in that given how Valens died. A closer look at this man's facial features would help as well. Thanks for sharing.Marc Ross said:Enclosed are YouTube links of recitations of Ritchie Valens' songs.
Comments on videos discusses (in a factitious/rhetorical context....or not?) as Ritchie Valens Reincarnated: http://goo.gl/xBQte - The Youtube versions might just be what the late Ritchie Valens may have sounded-like (as he got older) had he not died.
That's not quite true though.Owl said:Looking like somebody doesn' t prove anything if you don' t have memories.
Interests, talents and similarities in life doesn' t mean anything without memories!
So far NOTHING is proof. However, I can give you that memories ALONE are not a "proof", if feelings, physical appearance, thoughts, affinities, etc are accompanied by it then the case is stronger. But physical appereance, thoughts and affinities are nothing without memories! (and maybe feelings)firebird said:That's not quite true though.
It's not always necessary to have memories to 'prove' a past life. (I have this ability ... sometimes ... to know who others were in the past, even though I don't have the 'memories'). Equally, memories are ONLY an INDICATOR of a possible past life, as of themselves they are not proof ... so using the same analogy as yours one could say that in the absence of physical evidence (what I always look for), memories don't mean anything.
I'm quite sure we progress through our lives where in some the physical resemblance to other lives is not very strong .... certainly if someone is today a white female but in a past, very distant life lived life as a dark, male native in a forest, the physical resemblance is probably going to be minimal.ladonnacuriosa said:Actually, I feel like I look completely different in each life I think that I may have lived. From a young black boy in Detroit or Chicago in the 1970's, to a blonde young woman living in Holland in the 1700's, to a gruff warrior in Mesopotamia in ancient times, to me today.
That's just my experience though, there could be many that share a strong resemblance to a past incarnation, but so far, not I.
I'm the first one who would be delighted when reincarnation is proven, however, even though hand-writing similarities can be a factor to take in consideration, since it' s a skill related to the cerebellum and it is not strange that mechanical skills/talents are carried over from life to life I just can' t agree that we can prove reincarnation with astrology, at least not now. Maybe someday when astrology becomes a science (that will be the day when astrology follows the scientific method) we might be able to. But so far, we can't prove reincarnation (something that hasn' t been proven yet) with astrology (something that hasn' t been proven either!)firebird said:Owl, physical appearance, thoughts etc. can be something provided there is other evidence (i.e. evidence found by looking at the astrology - see the James Huston case as one example, soul group identification being the best evidence that you are looking at the same soul - this is not at all superficial, birth date analysis that reveals clear markers of the past - something I have discovered in MANY cases, hand-writing similarities etc. etc.)
Agree on this, past lives are feasible of being proven and they should be proven, however, nobody has been to do it yet, at least scientifically. As I always say, to prove past lives we must first prove the existence of the soul, what is made of, and how it works.firebird said:It's is only scientists who want to tell us that there can be no evidence/proof of a past life --- I can tell you this is just not so ... it is nonsense!
I agree on this from the point of view that I can have a memory where I interact in the past with people I know in this life as well and I know who they were, although they have no memories.firebird said:I have never said that physical appearance is enough (not without other evidence as this is what I always look for). My point in the previous post was that it's not necessary for a person to have memories of a past life to recognise who that person is today.
I can' t agree on this, and I' m not saying it because of my case in particular, because I do have physical resemblance with my most recent life, I' ve seen it myself and other people see it as well, but I have pictures to compare with. However, I don' t have any pictures of my life in England, and my memory is not that good regarding the details of my face, neither I have memories of looking myself in a mirror, then I should question my memories or dismiss that life because I have no physical proof?. Also, a lot of people, specially when claiming Famous past lives, the first thing they do is posting a photo comparison of them with their claim, and they totally see a resemblance, although nobody else does. Then having a resemblance or not would depend on other people' s criteria? I should question my memories because people who doesn' t know me and didn' t know me in the past either doesn' t see the same "gaze in my eyes"? On the other hand, just because somebody really looks like John Lennon and likes to play the guitar, should they believe they are him? They shouldn' t...firebird said:In cases where people have memories but bear NO resemblance to the person they think they may have been, then one needs to question this memory .... yes.
Positivist --> that agrees with positivism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positivismfirebird said:Chinese medicine isn't relevant here.
Astrology is not conventional science so I really don't see your point. It has it's own specific systems and rules generally followed by most astrologers, depending on what their specialty is.
Astrology - you are born on a certain day, at a certain time, in a certain place with the planetary bodies aligned in a certain way, making it unique to you. No one can argue that this isn't so. This cannot be challenged unless there is no birth certificate or no historical evidence of the birth date.
It feels more like a case of you dismissing astrology (and perhaps even other "non-scientific" methods) as simplistically philosophic or whatever because you have no or limited knowledge of how it works, rather than because of any lack of evidence (given none has been offered up to you here). Unless you have yourself applied astrology to a number of cases to prove this method is as worthless as you imply, then I don't know how you reach the conclusions you do.
People who are positive don't normally dismiss things without at least making some attempt to understand something first.
I wonder why, if I were to believe this, would they lock someone up for that involving troops? Nurses and Psychiatrists, I could see. But armed guards? If they do that for this "unknown" then they should do the same of me, lol. I worked for the CIA/"government agency" as an advisor in Vietnam and elsewhere and have had remembered things. Haven't been locked up yet! lol!classics said:I am a part time author and I am always looking for interesting topics to write on. Presently, I am writing a young adult novel about summer camp. I came across an interesting story many years ago and wrote a novel about the story. The story is a series of urban legends. You may have heard about it. The legend is how stories of people who went crazy and believed they were famous people from a past life started. They were not reincarnated but “insane”.
The people were locked in insane asylums because they believed they were people who actually exited, in the past, but now were here. You may have heard stories of people who went insane and believed they were Abraham Lincoln, Julius Caesar, George Washington, etc. The urban legend is these people never existed; the stories were created by the United States Government to hide one man. This man is believed to have actually been reincarnated into a living body. If the urban legends are true, it is the most “undocumented” case of reincarnation in history and this one man actually affected history. He was kept locked in an insane asylum, surrounded by armed American soldiers, and is alleged to be buried in the Arlington National Cemetery under a false name.
Owl, if you yourself have a possible past life case that you are seeking enlightenment on - where full birth and name data is available - then please pm me and, if I have time - I am very busy at the moment though - I will do my best to enlighten you.Owl said:I' m not arguing that according to astrology the planets were aligned in a certain position in the moment I was born. What I don' t agree with is that if I was born on a certain day then my most favorable days of the month are so and so, my best days to make money are whatever and whatever, that is what astrology has offered to me. I haven't noticed anything particular happening to me on those days. If that is not the REAL astrology and the real one includes natal charts, that' s another story, then you astrologers have to get rid of charlatans who publishes those books to be taken seriously.
Actually I always try my best and I do what I can from my humble place to keep the reincarnation world wacko-freefirebird said:Oh and if reincarnation is real, then could YOU REINCARNATIONISTS – if you want to be taken seriously - please get rid of the charlatans who publish false claims of past lives both in books and on the web! ....
I am not a professional nor an amateur in Astrology, but I am familiar with this matter.firebird said:Owl, if you yourself have a possible past life case that you are seeking enlightenment on - where full birth and name data is available - then please pm me and, if I have time - I am very busy at the moment though - I will do my best to enlighten you.
If you don't believe astrology is valid as a subject or research method for reincarnation due to any preconceived ideas you have about it, your own previous experiences with astrologers, and/or your inability to accept any method that doesn't fall within the STRICT (reSTRICTive) parameters of conventional scientific method, so be it. In the end, we are all free to accept and believe what we want based on our own experiences/research/beliefs. Just know that even scientists - great scientists - question facts and accepted theories/knowledge >>> this is how we learn and progress.
My own experience ... this the path I took as I needed to know myself IF astrology could give me some answers --- relying on an astrologer to tell me 'yes or no' was a start, but it was never going to be enough for me, so I chose to study it in some depth in order to really understand.
It really isn't my task to - nor do I want to - give copious cases studies that I have as examples; or to run through a detailed explanation of how astrology works here - professional astrologers (I am an amateur) can do this better than me, and the data is one click away these days for anyone who is curious or wants to learn. My only point in previous posts was simply to say that science doesn’t have the answers right now and that I believe - know - astrology is 'one' method that can be used to gather some good evidence in determining if 2 people may be the same soul - where accurate birth data is available - and I cited the case of James Leininger/James Huston as ONE good example. There is NOTHING VAGUE about the astrology in this case. You don’t need to have lived the life of James Huston TO KNOW that he has reincarnated as James Leininger, as the proof is right there in the charts (along with the other evidence). So, it really is non-sensical to say that only 'the' person who experiences a past life memory is in a position to determine/know the validity of their own past life.
Oh and if reincarnation is real, then could YOU REINCARNATIONISTS – if you want to be taken seriously - please get rid of the charlatans who publish false claims of past lives both in books and on the web! .... I’m saying this in jest of course, but you get my point.
Honestly, I would not venture to be so blunt validate or discredit the experiences of others based on your criteria.firebird said:I'm quite sure we progress through our lives where in some the physical resemblance to other lives is not very strong .... certainly if someone is today a white female but in a past, very distant life lived life as a dark, male native in a forest, the physical resemblance is probably going to be minimal.
In some of my lives I bear a strong resemblance, in one less so (perhaps because it is a more distant life), but nonetheless the resemblance in the eyes and the way the soul holds the physical vehicle ... it is there (along with soul group identification).
I love your username by the way!