Multiple Past Lives
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starrynight
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Yes I'd only ever thought of one past life until i really got into it. It could be that if you get memories of only one then that life is much more significant this time around.
If you do get memories of more it can become a bit confusing-to say the least! Is easy to mix them up.In time they sort of become clear. I have memories from 3 different lives going on at the moment.
If you can it's probably easier to concentrate on one at a time, so don't worry if you only get memories from that one.
If you do get memories of more it can become a bit confusing-to say the least! Is easy to mix them up.In time they sort of become clear. I have memories from 3 different lives going on at the moment.
If you can it's probably easier to concentrate on one at a time, so don't worry if you only get memories from that one.
I imagine I could be lucky in that I may have only had one previous life. I'm having difficulty with just one, three would put me over the edge.
The new explanation of a past life is somewhat comforting compared to the other possibilities I've imagined. At least with this I have a chance to understand and possibly resolve it.
I'm amazed at the similarities between the two. Two meaning past & present. Mostly personalities. I tend to enjoy life & make the most out of it.
The new explanation of a past life is somewhat comforting compared to the other possibilities I've imagined. At least with this I have a chance to understand and possibly resolve it.
I'm amazed at the similarities between the two. Two meaning past & present. Mostly personalities. I tend to enjoy life & make the most out of it.
Nightrain
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According to much of the literature, it seems that we all may be experiencing many lifetimes. But, what is most appealing to me is the simple logic of suggesting that—if Reincarnation occurs once, why not many times. If there is a purpose to Reincarnation, can it be solved by coming back only once? If learning is the purpose, how can we possibly learn everything in only one or two lifetimes?
If we accept only a small portion of the evidence for Reincarnation, we would also be inclined to accept overwhelming testimony for several—and if several, why not thousands, as suggested by Eastern philosophy?
It seems natural that people who remember having a past life would most often remember the most immediate one, while it is still possible that they would also remember others without realizing it.
If we accept only a small portion of the evidence for Reincarnation, we would also be inclined to accept overwhelming testimony for several—and if several, why not thousands, as suggested by Eastern philosophy?
It seems natural that people who remember having a past life would most often remember the most immediate one, while it is still possible that they would also remember others without realizing it.
argonne1918
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I can guarantee you have had more than one past life. New souls tend to live near the equator in third world countries. Surviving day to day takes up all of their energy and resources. Because you are educated and living in a modern society you have had thousands of lifetimes to learn from. You are probably at the point where you are just starting to realize you have been here before.JPariz said:
BriarRose
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Argonne is right - it takes at least a few incarnations for most people to realize that they have "been here before". To the best of my knowledge, we seldom, if ever, have members pop up on the forum who are "new" souls, on their first or second incarnations. But, I think that it is enough for you to come to terms with the life you led as Captain Payne. There must be a reason that you remember so many details about that life. You may never have memories of any other.
argonne1918
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On the other hand, Captain Payne may open the door to remembering other past lives. Time will tell.BriarRose said:
This all depends on who you ask and what their beliefs are about the age of the soul. I started out with just a few memories from one life, but now I have memories from two, with strong hints of another three. Just because you only have memories from one life doesn’t mean there aren’t any others, you most likely just haven’t remembered them yet or have no need to remember them.
Some people believe that there are young/new souls only recently formed and with only a few lives under their belts, compared to old souls with many lives’ experience. Personally, I don’t believe that. I believe that souls/universal consciousness are as old as the Universe itself, with countless experiences from across the full spectrum of Life!
Thankfully, only handfuls of lives are remembered at any one time, differences in biology and physiology see to that. But I know I’m pretty unusual in the way I see the workings of the soul and reincarnation 
Some people believe that there are young/new souls only recently formed and with only a few lives under their belts, compared to old souls with many lives’ experience. Personally, I don’t believe that. I believe that souls/universal consciousness are as old as the Universe itself, with countless experiences from across the full spectrum of Life!
Thankfully, only handfuls of lives are remembered at any one time, differences in biology and physiology see to that. But I know I’m pretty unusual in the way I see the workings of the soul and reincarnation This time around I can claim it wasn't my fault. Our family tradition since the Spanish American War (when my ancestors first came to America) was to serve in the military. It was expected from before birth. My mom served during WW2 and even my sister served during Vietnam. At one point my parents had a service flag in the front window with 4 stars. I still have the flag.BriarRose said:Then, the obvious reason you remember Capt. Payne, is so that you will learn, and stop repeating your mistakes!
Then for some odd reason more than half of us ended up in law enforcement.
Fortunately the tradition stopped with my son. He wouldn't last 30 seconds in the service. He's in college with plans to be a head shrinker. That might come in handy for me later!
I wasn't thrilled with the idea of the military. The way I justified it to myself was that if I didn't go, someone else would be forced to take my place. That didn't sit well with me so I went.
There has been talk earlier of how things change over the years. It wasn't until the Gulf War that Vietnam vets could admit they were vets. (at least to someone other than other vets) I remember when I came home that my primary goal was to grow hair as fast as I could.
If I had a pocket full of cash I couldn't have bought a job. I think that is how I ended up being a cop. I needed a paycheck and that was about the only place to get one.
BriarRose
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Returning Viet Nam vets got a really raw deal. I remember it well from when my ex left the USAF in 1975. I'm glad your son realized life in the service wasn't for him, and broke with family tradition. Now, your challenge will be to find another calling in your next life, if you feel it isn't right for you. You might be born into another family with a strong military tradition, so you will be put in the same situation again, until the pattern is broken. That's presuming the direction your soul wants to take is to change course. I, of course, am no judge of that. The question to ask yourself, is not whether you were Capt. Payne, but why your soul chose to remember his life.
tanguerra
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The norm is 'dozens' (at least). Most people will only remember one or two (if they're lucky), usually the most recent or the most dramatic. Some people remember a lot more, often quite spontaneously since childhood as I do, but that's less common. It's common for children to remember all kinds of stuff, but it usually fades away by the time they start school.JPariz said:
Some people who have a great interest in this have done a lot of work with regression, meditation and so on over a number of years to recover lots of memories of more than one life.
shadowsofmypast
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Many upon many.
I starting to remember the civil war
My children did not live long.
I starting to remember the civil war
My children did not live long.
Ok, I have "complained" before here on this board, which is quite out of character for me, that was about a comment towards me. And I would have never thought I would feel like I really have to comment again after only a short time.argonne1918 said:
But I just have to ask, is this opinion for real? New souls live near the equator in third world countries?? You did hear about India, for example, a third world country near the equator with one of the richest cultures of wisdom, reincarnation, ancient lines of heritage?
Or does this mean that those "poor new souls" in countries like Africa who are so busy surviving day to day don't deserve better, because they didnt learn anything yet from multiple past lives?
Let alone thinking of all those "educated" people living in a modern society, loaded with the knowledge and wisdom of past lives galore.. I can just see them.. some spend their lives in front of the TV watching soap operas, some don't even know the difference between Austria and Australia.. I am just so happy that they spent all those lifetimes wisely...
Sorry for the bitterness and cynicism, but this just reminded me way, way too much of colonial times and thinking. I am shocked again.
argonne1918
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Freud or Jung? Freudian psychologists think reincarnation is just wishful thinking. Students of Carl Jung are open to the possibility. What does your son think about reincarnation? Have you told him about your memories? Has your son ever heard of Helen Wambach? She was a psychologist who did pioneering research on reincarnation back in the 60's and 70's.JPariz said:
starrynight
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I didn't know this argonne. Is interesting & sort of makes senseargonne1918 said:
tanguerra
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I have to agree Rachel. I don't think this theory holds any weight personally and I in my view it is reflective of some rather outdated thinking. I could even go so far as to say there is a racist attitude showing through here. There are people from Africa living in Sweden, so I don't know where they would fit in this schema? No. I reject this idea.rachel68 said:
The Hindu caste system has a similar idea - that if you are poor and of a lower caste it must be your own fault for past bad karma, therefore the high caste wealthy don't need to feel any compassion for those worse off than themselves (although of course, many do).
I personally don't ascribe to any of this. I think people have all kinds of different experiences - the rich experience, the poor experience, the healthy experience, the sick experience etc. and it's not necessarily in any particular linear order either. Is there any plan or meaning to it? I don't know. Others have their opinions.
The reason people in 'poor' countries are worse off than other countries has a lot more to do with history and current geopolitics than the alleged age of their souls. If anything it is the lack of 'evolution' of many living in wealthy countries - greed, selfishness, aggression, ignorance - that keeps those countries poor.
Hear hear Rachel68 and Tanguerra. :angel:
I agree, although the ‘theory’ was maybe just an opinion, it is one that sounds very colonial, very outdated and actually pretty offensive.
What are the sources for this ‘theory’? Maybe I’m too much of a scientist, but any opinion like that needs to be backed up with some kind of evidence or sources.
I agree, although the ‘theory’ was maybe just an opinion, it is one that sounds very colonial, very outdated and actually pretty offensive.
What are the sources for this ‘theory’? Maybe I’m too much of a scientist, but any opinion like that needs to be backed up with some kind of evidence or sources.
BriarRose
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I was complaining about my "problems" the other day, and my daughter pointed out that I have "first world problems", that are trivial in nature, rather than "third world problems", like clean drinking water. That did put it in perspective! I believe that where a person is born has nothing to do with the level of soul evolution. I have heard it posited that people in the U.S. and Western Europe actually have very young adolescent souls in higher numbers than those in third world countries. It was just an interesting theory, of course, but if you look at the state of the world, it appears that it's being run by toddlers. I'm sure the political figures listed in the article would take offense at being considered "unevolved"! We have no infant souls here, (if they exist?) just "seekers after wisdom and truth", as the song goes.
Blueheart
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BriarRose, you do, in fact, have "third world problems." http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/
Maybe you are not aware of it yet, but those problems are yours too, both specifically, as in where you live, and as a citizen of planet Earth.
Rachel68, tanguerra, and helz_belz, I agree. This "theory" is so offensive, I had better just walk away now . . .
Maybe you are not aware of it yet, but those problems are yours too, both specifically, as in where you live, and as a citizen of planet Earth.
Rachel68, tanguerra, and helz_belz, I agree. This "theory" is so offensive, I had better just walk away now . . .
BriarRose
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Thank you, BlueHeart. You are, of course, totally correct. If I don't do my part to solve them in this life, then they might very well become my daily concerns in my next life. But then, no one on the forum knows what I do with my "disposable" income, or time and energy in this life, do they? None of us knows how Argonne lives his life. The lesson here is that we shouldn't be so quick to make judgements on each other. Did my post indicate that I don't care what happens to people in developing countries? If it did, I sincerely apologize. If you read the post carefully, you will see that it didn't.
kliewer
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As a former ex-expatriate and modern native art hobbyist I would have to disagree with thisargonne1918 said:
How you can see the essence of such souls when yourself have not met or seen them all
I will ignore the racism here and say that based solely on my own experiences and the imparted tales of others, that the 'oldness' of a soul nor any other degree of quality or conclusion can be drawn from the origin of the body in which it currently resides.
Wisdom and visions to past ages will exist regardless of 'energy or resources'. Simply because the owners of such wisdom and insight don't commonly impart such online where your self can build incorrect conclusions and assign cause to the essence or existence of their soul does not mean they do not have such
That will be all.
With respect to the original topic, while I cannot say for sure how many lives I had lived before this life (Can anyone? Definitively? Such assumptions made exceed my spiritual sight) I am sure it is more than one. And with that assumption, can I assume it is at least more than one? Yes, I think I can. Perhaps I can iterate this assumption ad infinitum. With such a limited piece of fruit, I dare not judge the potential of the tree.
Have peace.
tanguerra
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This is pretty funny...BriarRose said:
But seriously, I don't believe in 'old' or 'young' souls as I've said more than once. The soul exists outside of time and does not have an 'age' as such, so the term is quite meaningless. You can live 1000 lives and still be a wicked or cruel person (it happens, obviously). You might live 10 lives and find enlightenment. It all depends how you choose to spend your time in my view. I don't think it's helpful to come up with theories about how one group of people is 'better' than another at any time and it's pretty meaningless in this sense.
I have no idea why some people behave as badly as they do - selfish, violent, shallow cruel and so forth, but it could be partly due to the culture/family they are raised in. Certainly our current western 'consumerism' culture is very 'dumbed down' and infantalizing (which is parodied in the clip I've linked above). The values we are taught (by advertising and the media) from the earliest age are selfishness and avarice. People are quite brainwashed and can't see it for themselves. This is not down to any magic or supernatural causes in my opinion, but due to commerce, nothing more nothing less. There are certain people who love money (and power) more than anything else, for reasons best known to themselves. They seem to be ruling the world at the moment and this is the cause of a great deal of strife - but perhaps that's nothing new.
BriarRose
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When my daughter told me that was what my problems were, I thought it was pretty funny! I was complaining because the central air was broken, and I had to put a dishpan under it to catch the water that wouldn't drain outside. It's not that I don't understand real problems - I've been homeless, without enough food, warm clothing, or any medical care for myself or my children. We have those issues in the U.S., and I am sure I am not the only forum member who has confronted them. They were easier to bear than illness, or the death of a child. If anything, I am a better person for having endured those problems, so I doubt that trials and tribulations mark the "young" soul, if indeed they do exist. I know that they made me kinder, and I could never be smug, self-righteous, or feel superior ever again.
argonne1918
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Yes, very funny. I wonder how many people who see that on YouTube won't get it? All the people who have been brainwashed by watching too much TV, etc?tanguerra said:
argonne1918
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The kindest people are those who grew up poor or with other adversities. The poor and middle class give more to charity per capita than the wealthy.BriarRose said:I've been homeless, without enough food, warm clothing, or any medical care for myself or my children. We have those issues in the U.S., and I am sure I am not the only forum member who has confronted them. They were easier to bear than illness, or the death of a child. If anything, I am a better person for having endured those problems, so I doubt that trials and tribulations mark the "young" soul, if indeed they do exist. I know that they made me kinder, and I could never be smug, self-righteous, or feel superior ever again.
I think that's because and can be explained by the level of soul maturity. Younger souls are drawn towards power and immediate influence while older souls prefer a more relaxed existence, educating, teaching, mentoring ect where they can and when the opportunity presents itself.BriarRose said:
This is amazing! Do you have a source for this? I'd love to read more about the kindness/yearly salary connection, since I have found that many companies make donations by "skimming"a bit off the paychecks of their workers. Before moving abroad, I was part of the marketing department of an extremely well-known retail chain. As you can imagine, a lot of retail workers don't make lots of money for a variety of reasons, but every year Corporate would commit X-amount of dollars to a charity and then the pressure would begin for the employees to donate whatever-predetermined amount from their weekly checks. The more the employees paid, the less the Corporate had to pay off their bottom line. This doesn't sound like a bad idea, unless you're the single mom working 20 hours a week who is taken into the store manager's office and being told that you're "willing" to make a weekly donation (that comes with a year-long commitment). I felt for the employees, and I also felt for the store managers...they had the same pressure applied to them, too.argonne1918 said:
But in regards to the original post, I don't see why we couldn't have multiple past lives. I can't say I remember more than the one really, but several people I know and respect remember several lives, with details and verifications. One life gives me enough on my plate, and I can't imagine having more to deal with. This is one experience I am willing to sit out!