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Nuclear Dreams

Cryscat

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Around 2020, maybe 2019, I periodically have been dreaming of nuclear war. The first one, I was in Texas around the Lubbock area. I was standing and facing a mushroom cloud that was rapidly expanding. I throw one hand up to protect my eyes from the light and as I do so, I watch my body disappear, molecule by molecule. I wake up with my heart pounding. The next dream has me in Chicago, IL. I am walking through nuclear disaster zone looking for survivors. I don't see anyone.

These have repeated, sort of, with the locations changed to Washington DC and Los Angeles. I never see what started this war.

Other people have. All have said that it starts with NK agents assignation of the US President. Then NK is whiped off the map and Russia gets dragged in. Bombs start going off over Europe and North America. No one seems to know about the rest of the world.

I have the feeling this is going to happen sometime in the next 30 years.

Is anyone one here having these types of dreams?
 
To me, it is obvious that you had a fear, caused by some belief(s) you formed some time in your current life . Identifying that belief(s), realizing that beliefs can be changed, your fear will dissipate.

I log all the dreams I recall, immediately during sleep breaks. Then I turn inwards, put aside my beliefs and expectations, tap my inner source of knowledge and guidance, and interpret the dream as deeply as I can. Quite often this interpretation is aligned with other interpretations of events that drew my attention that day or a day before.

I don't think that your "nuclear dreams" are precognitive. The future isn't set. Your individual beliefs and expectations will bring your individual future to you. In some probable futures this civilization will be destroyed; in others it won't.
 
No, I have never had any dream of war or a nuclear war in my life. I agree that there is a lot of madness in this world and a lot of people in power are actually immature/sick/stupid or just mentally ill. I feel sorry for the young people who still have to travel toward the future years (while I am gone).
But for now, I won't let fears enter my safe space called Sleep & Dreams.
 
These dreams are not fear based at all. I grew up as a child of the Cold War and fear has no place in my life. It seems weird to me that these dreams are happening in the last few years. Never had them as a child, during the Cold War, when I knew Nuclear missiles were pointed at the area I was living in. That alone and the fact I am not the only one dreaming of this, means they are precognitive. I believe that we are getting a sizable lead time into this because it doesn't have to happen.
 
Another possibility I think is that there is symbolism in the dreams. At least from my own experience, often I've had dreams of dramatic and powerful events which were indeed a precognition, but they foretold changes in my own personal life, such as for example a changing career trajectory or changes among family members. In my case the sort of changes I'm referring to affected not just a cosmetic appearance or something to be forgotten in a few days, but the sort of changes which impacted my whole life from that time on. Even something as dramatic as a nuclear destruction could symbolically represent such changes in personal circumstances and life situation.

Of course I'm not saying mine is the correct or only interpretation but it certainly reflects my experience with powerful dreams.
 
These dreams are not fear based at all. I grew up as a child of the Cold War and fear has no place in my life. It seems weird to me that these dreams are happening in the last few years. Never had them as a child, during the Cold War, when I knew Nuclear missiles were pointed at the area I was living in. That alone and the fact I am not the only one dreaming of this, means they are precognitive. I believe that we are getting a sizable lead time into this because it doesn't have to happen.
Hi Cryscat:

I also grew up during the cold war. In fact, the Cuban Missile crisis happened when I was an 8 year old child (living then as I do now, in Florida, very close to the "action"). Children pick up on the concerns of the adults around them, especially their parents, and everyone was very, very "concerned". Nuclear war was a very real short-term possibility until Khrushchev backed down. And, like you, I grew up under the shadow of that possibility, which never really abated until the fall of the Soviet Union. Then we had a bit of a respite, and hoped we would never come so close to mutual annihilation again. It is sad to think that we are once again toeing that line. I hope you are wrong, but fear you may be correct. I don't take Russia's current threats very seriously, as I think that the great nations of the world know that it is too great a risk to each and all. But as nuclear weapons proliferate and become the toys of madmen and terrorists . . . .

Cordially,
S&S
 
Reminds me of a few that I've had over the past decade and it was mostly the big cities across the US and Europe. To note I am a millennial for what little that is worth. I remember one of London (UK) got hit Hard leaving very little higher than the first floor standing and knowing in that dream Paris (France) had also been hit. The streets were literally feet deep in burning rubble all around it was wild. Seen cities like Dallas, NY, and LA also get hit to varying degrees though the oddest was some place out in west Africa that I can't place on the map after a brief war over there. The one in NY happened in the context of a pandemic for which much of the population had already left while like a third were basically trapped there being forced to carry on as normal. People wasted a lot of time looking for old tunnels etc to get out then out of the blue one went off over one of the boroughs. LA was something else with the city core more or less leveled though the airport was more or less intact but further out the power was still on but the looting in the suburbs was above and beyond anything seen summer 2020.
 
Reminds me of a few that I've had over the past decade and it was mostly the big cities across the US and Europe. To note I am a millennial for what little that is worth. I remember one of London (UK) got hit Hard leaving very little higher than the first floor standing and knowing in that dream Paris (France) had also been hit. The streets were literally feet deep in burning rubble all around it was wild. Seen cities like Dallas, NY, and LA also get hit to varying degrees though the oddest was some place out in west Africa that I can't place on the map after a brief war over there. The one in NY happened in the context of a pandemic for which much of the population had already left while like a third were basically trapped there being forced to carry on as normal. People wasted a lot of time looking for old tunnels etc to get out then out of the blue one went off over one of the boroughs. LA was something else with the city core more or less leveled though the airport was more or less intact but further out the power was still on but the looting in the suburbs was above and beyond anything seen summer 2020.
Interesting, I saw the Los Angeles city center gone as well. LAX surviving is not a shock, it is 19 miles from city center in El Segundo. I am close to Long Beach Airport, and 24.5 miles from LA city center. I've been playing around on this link Nukemap. Interesting to see what type of bomb would reach me from LA city center.
 
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Another possibility I think is that there is symbolism in the dreams. At least from my own experience, often I've had dreams of dramatic and powerful events which were indeed a precognition, but they foretold changes in my own personal life, such as for example a changing career trajectory or changes among family members. In my case the sort of changes I'm referring to affected not just a cosmetic appearance or something to be forgotten in a few days, but the sort of changes which impacted my whole life from that time on. Even something as dramatic as a nuclear destruction could symbolically represent such changes in personal circumstances and life situation.

Of course I'm not saying mine is the correct or only interpretation but it certainly reflects my experience with powerful dreams.
I totally agree as this has been the case for myself. My nuclear dreams are space oriented and involve supernova etc. They are followed by major life-changing events, more often than not, unpredictable changes that are not necessarily a premonition of a good or bad change but a change.
 
I totally agree as this has been the case for myself. My nuclear dreams are space oriented and involve supernova etc. They are followed by major life-changing events, more often than not, unpredictable changes that are not necessarily a premonition of a good or bad change but a change.

Ran across a few that people posted on reddit for about a year regarding the Sun and life on Earth ending as a consequence. In short people went on about their usual day to day things completely unaware until literally the last minutes with the only visible sign is the Sun appearing bigger until the gravity waves came then came the heat lastly darkness. In mine all electronics stopped working and the sky went into a very deep red that was very dimly lit with an electric buzz in the air while people just wondered aimless as to what happened deep down I knew that we all died.
 
Ran across a few that people posted on reddit for about a year regarding the Sun and life on Earth ending as a consequence. In short people went on about their usual day to day things completely unaware until literally the last minutes with the only visible sign is the Sun appearing bigger until the gravity waves came then came the heat lastly darkness. In mine all electronics stopped working and the sky went into a very deep red that was very dimly lit with an electric buzz in the air while people just wondered aimless as to what happened deep down I knew that we all died.
Hi TABA,

This is a bit spooky. A few years back I listened to the audiobook for a SciFi novel by Spider Robinson. The book ("Variable Star"), was based on an outline for a novel left by Heinlein. In the book humans have developed constant acceleration boost ships that allow them to come close to the speed of light and begin settling nearby stellar systems. Communication with earth, which is instantaneous and accomplished via telepaths, suddenly goes dead, but not before a star ship in transit is able to determine that the sun had "exploded" suddenly and destroyed the entire Solar System. Eventually it is determined that the sun is like other "unexplained" Gamma-ray Bursts that create incredible amounts of energy and are capable of not only "scrubbing" an entire stellar system, but other nearby systems as well. It turns out that some very advanced species with FTL space drives uses this as a way of eliminating possible competition as it crops up. So, I guess that our radio emissions finally reached a "listening" device and triggered a response, leaving what was left of humanity to try and dig in and avoid being scrubbed as the massive gamma front (traveling at the speed of light), reaches their respective star systems. I don't know if there was a follow-up book, but it was an interesting (even if scary premise).

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi TABA,

This is a bit spooky. A few years back I listened to the audiobook for a SciFi novel by Spider Robinson. The book ("Variable Star"), was based on an outline for a novel left by Heinlein. In the book humans have developed constant acceleration boost ships that allow them to come close to the speed of light and begin settling nearby stellar systems. Communication with earth, which is instantaneous and accomplished via telepaths, suddenly goes dead, but not before a star ship in transit is able to determine that the sun had "exploded" suddenly and destroyed the entire Solar System. Eventually it is determined that the sun is like other "unexplained" Gamma-ray Bursts that create incredible amounts of energy and are capable of not only "scrubbing" an entire stellar system, but other nearby systems as well. It turns out that some very advanced species with FTL space drives uses this as a way of eliminating possible competition as it crops up. So, I guess that our radio emissions finally reached a "listening" device and triggered a response, leaving what was left of humanity to try and dig in and avoid being scrubbed as the massive gamma front (traveling at the speed of light), reaches their respective star systems. I don't know if there was a follow-up book, but it was an interesting (even if scary premise).

Cordially,
S&S

You reminded me of this.
 
Hi TABA,

I'm not sure what to say about the linked material. It doesn't strike me as very plausible (and that is an understatement). Then again, one of the things it mentions casually--a U.S. civil war--is also something I would not have taken seriously 10-20 years ago. Frankly, the most likely explanation to me is that this guy's "dream" is (1) a drug induced nightmare, or (2) a hoax and he's punking everyone. But if some of the things he predicts takes place, I'll start watching more closely.

Cordially,
S&S
 
😂 Don't worry, S&S, this originally came from 4Chan—the least credible source on the Internet. And someone seems to have tried to do a creative writing project on Reddit. Just some nightmares, not necessarily a deliberate hoax.
I tried to read the entire screenshots on Imgur but I got lost halfway when aliens peeled the skin of humans and when they liquified people to fill swimming pools for them to bathe in.

Although off-topic in this specific reincarnation forum, I've always been interested in alien life and visitors to this planet. There is an enormous amount of information (documents, reports) about this subject that qualifies better than some random fear-based nightmares.
 
😂 Don't worry, S&S, this originally came from 4Chan—the least credible source on the Internet. And someone seems to have tried to do a creative writing project on Reddit. Just some nightmares, not necessarily a deliberate hoax.
I tried to read the entire screenshots on Imgur but I got lost halfway when aliens peeled the skin of humans and when they liquified people to fill swimming pools for them to bathe in.

Although off-topic in this specific reincarnation forum, I've always been interested in alien life and visitors to this planet. There is an enormous amount of information (documents, reports) about this subject that qualifies better than some random fear-based nightmares.

Yea that platform isn't for neurotypical people but hey that is what the internet was for before it really became popular.
 
Yea that platform isn't for neurotypical people but hey that is what the internet was for before it really became popular.
Hi TABA,

I'm not sure that I'm neurotypical myself. Actually, I'm pretty sure that I am not. However, I have a great respect for "normal", normal folks, and normal ways of doing things. They are what keep the world humming along with electricity in the wires, etc. I.e., they provide the solid substrate that allows my own semi-craziness to "comfortably" exist.

Cordially,
S&S
 
😂 Don't worry, S&S, this originally came from 4Chan—the least credible source on the Internet. And someone seems to have tried to do a creative writing project on Reddit. Just some nightmares, not necessarily a deliberate hoax.
I tried to read the entire screenshots on Imgur but I got lost halfway when aliens peeled the skin of humans and when they liquified people to fill swimming pools for them to bathe in.

Although off-topic in this specific reincarnation forum, I've always been interested in alien life and visitors to this planet. There is an enormous amount of information (documents, reports) about this subject that qualifies better than some random fear-based nightmares.
Hi Firefly,

I share your interest, plus a good number more that are even stranger. For example, there are a lot of myths and beliefs world-wide about a different type of life that co-inhabits this world with us, not just human earth-bound spirits, but non-human ones that are normally invisible to us. The Sidhe of Celtic lore are an example. These were not, for the most part, the quaint "nature spirits" beloved by current occultists. They were strange, wild, and often vindictive beings who could appear in a variety of ways/forms, and who loved to play malicious tricks on stupid or overly inquisitive humans--often with disastrous results for their victims.

Consequently, I have come to wonder whether the neat and tidy boundaries we draw between different planes of existence actually reflect reality. In the physical realm, there are creatures that live in the water and those who live on land, but there are also those who live at the interface of these two, and can slip back and forth between them. Could there be beings who reside comfortably at the interface between the physical and non-physical (or perhaps quasi-physical), and can move between the two? Such beings would seem to us to appear and disappear at will, and might have a variety of other strange abilities as well.

So, thinking back--we used to populate the deep forests, the wilderness, and dark caves and hidden places with elves, goblins and other creatures, some of whom were evil whether beautiful or ugly, and most of whom seemed to be dangerous, mischievous and capricious. We gave them a variety of names and usually feared them, though there were also times when they could be, or at least seemed to be, helpful. However, we have now explored all of the foregoing and largely fear these places only for the physical dangers that might lurk there. Modern man now looks outward towards the dark of space as the new "unexplored" and potentially dangerous realm.

So, could it be that we are still dealing with the same perpetrators in an updated guise? Do alien "greys" and "reptilians" and "nords" replace and correspond to the "goblins", "monsters" and "fair folk" of our ancestors' legends? Do the same beings (sometimes referred to as the "Fae") merely take advantage of our current fears and concerns under new pretenses in order to tease and bedevil us still? :oops:

People who are not always "neurotypical"--like me--might get crazy ideas like this sometimes. ;)

Cordially,
S&S
 
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S&S,
I always thought that non-neurotypical was referring to autism. Perhaps I didn't get it right. I don't know what I am (not autistic but that's a spectrum and probably I have a few percent of it as well, haha, but only when I am under too much stress which doesn't happen often). Still, I am 'not normal' in the sense that I have experienced other dimensions, seen weird stuff (including UFOs, spirits, once a bright spinning orb and things like that). Just like you, I also appreciate 'normal life' and 'normal people' but I discovered that 'normal people' hardly exist.
There are so many regular people who have experienced unexplainable things. Even my own sister, who fanatically dedicates her life to the norms, doesn't hesitate to say she once saw a UFO. My sister who is allergic to the smell of spirituality and any kind of out of the ordinary.
A handful of times, some of my friends declared that they don't believe in reincarnation, but they are sure that we both met in a former life. I really don't know how they handle this cognitive dissonance. 😂

I have no opinion on the feas and other non-physical non-human creatures. I don't experience them but I don't rule out that they could exist. Why not? For now, they are not part of my reality. I am glad because my life is already complicated enough with other invisible influences.

By the way, you don't have to go to deserted forests when you are looking for non-physical creatures. Other realms of existence are merged with our physical one.

And about this topic: I am sure we all are influenced by some collective consciousness, especially through dreams and unconscious astral travel. There is a lot of fear and insecurity in our world. I just realized that when I was awfully young, I had panic attacks about the exploding Sun, the destruction of the Earth, and a coming Ice Age. I can't count the times I just cried myself asleep. Then I reached the age of reasoning (around 8 years I guess) and I reasoned that when an Ice Age would come, I could simply move to a warmer country because I had learned that it didn't mean the entire Earth would be covered with ice. I reasoned that an exploding Sun would take a lot of time and that it didn't happen overnight. I reasoned my fears away. It's just interesting why I was so incredibly sensitive about those concepts at an age that was much too young. I never told any adult about it. So probably I had tapped into collective fears as a child.

It's because of what happened to me at an early age, that I refuse to experience those elusive fears again. Of course, there is a kind of realistic threat of war in the place where I live. Some Russian general said on their national television that their main goal of attack by a nuclear missile would be the harbor of Rotterdam or at least he said that area would be the most efficient goal for them. Well, thanks, that's where I live. But I refuse to live in fear.
 
You could try to steer the discussion to what interests you more ...

I learned a new word today: neurotypical (A neurotypical person is an individual who thinks, perceives, and behaves in ways that are considered the norm by the general population. Institutions such as schools, sports leagues, and places of employment are typically designed to accommodate people who fit into these norms. Neurotypical does not mean "normal.".)
 
Now I am lost...

I know ... This reminds of my first grade when at the end of the school year half the class got the first prize. Lately, talking about "normal" is often perceived as offensive. Everybody is "normal". :)

I agree that many human attributes are distributed in population on a bell-curve (a k.a. normal distribution). Surely, not all.
 
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Great read, so now I am officially 'not normal' 😂 like my 'norm sister' already told me years ago. She once said: You are so not normal, that you don't even realize that you are not normal...(and ofcourse I discarded that as I knew where it came from). I was peeling and cutting potatoes for her and I cut slices of the same thickness, so they would be cooked evenly. Wrong, the norm here (my culture) is that you cut them in some kind of random chunks. She looked at me in total confusion and horror and made the comment above. Ofcourse, there is a long history before this remark. Lol.
Anyway, ADHD seems to fit into non-neuro-typical. I am glad to know where I belong now... 🥳
 
Anyway, ADHD seems to fit into non-neuro-typical. I am glad to know where I belong now... 🥳
Welcome to the ranks of the non-neuro-typical! 😁 I like to think of myself as "mostly" normal and "mostly" neuro-typical , but also acknowledge the fact that I don't check all of the "boxes" under those categories. :cool: Still, though I get along with total "normies" very well, I always feel like there is something missing there. :rolleyes: But since they generally seem to be quite happy with "normality", I see no reason to bring the matter up. ;)

Cordially,
S&S
 
I rarely ever tell anyone this. When the 80s were a thing, and the time we were really under nuclear threats, I had a dream where Joseph, Jesus's father, came and held my hand whole walking a wasteland devastated by nukes. He would point out things, a flower, a dog, trees...then we turned and were on a mountain area. It was damaged, but the trees were there, and deer and stuff. Very beautiful scenery.

He told me not to be afraid and to remember this place. Told me why, and patted my head and said "this will not happen when you are still a child but when you are older and look on as I do."

I was 6.

About a year ago, we cleared off my land I own. Not all of it, but about 5 acres. The scenery is exact...I own a mountain with rolling hills and...trees. I look at the tree pointed out to me every week and what I was told was there is there.

I'm not especially a Christian and don't identify as one. But yes, I had a nuclear dream as a kid. After I cleared the land, I had one more. Joseph was petting my donkey (an animal not prone to this) and had a hand on my mule's back (an animal no one can touch) and telling me "do not be afraid if you have followed my guidance for you may yet be needed." My land was damaged, but not destroyed in this dream and he asked me something related to the things he told me as a child and when I told him I could do it, nodded and the dream ended in a flash of blinding light.
 
I rarely ever tell anyone this. When the 80s were a thing, and the time we were really under nuclear threats, I had a dream where Joseph, Jesus's father, came and held my hand whole walking a wasteland devastated by nukes. He would point out things, a flower, a dog, trees...then we turned and were on a mountain area. It was damaged, but the trees were there, and deer and stuff. Very beautiful scenery.

He told me not to be afraid and to remember this place. Told me why, and patted my head and said "this will not happen when you are still a child but when you are older and look on as I do."

I was 6.

About a year ago, we cleared off my land I own. Not all of it, but about 5 acres. The scenery is exact...I own a mountain with rolling hills and...trees. I look at the tree pointed out to me every week and what I was told was there is there.

I'm not especially a Christian and don't identify as one. But yes, I had a nuclear dream as a kid. After I cleared the land, I had one more. Joseph was petting my donkey (an animal not prone to this) and had a hand on my mule's back (an animal no one can touch) and telling me "do not be afraid if you have followed my guidance for you may yet be needed." My land was damaged, but not destroyed in this dream and he asked me something related to the things he told me as a child and when I told him I could do it, nodded and the dream ended in a flash of blinding light.
Hi Elle,

Do you have any idea why Joseph would be the one to appear to you in these dreams? There are innumerable secular characters and many, many Biblical characters and Saints that might have appeared in a dream of this type, so Joseph was (by no means) the only possibility here. But, looking at it from various perspectives, I have two questions: Why Joseph and why you? If this was an actual appearance from Heaven of the "real" Joseph in your dream--why would he be the one sent? If it was a form taken by some aspect of yourself, warning you, the same question pops into my mind--why would this form be used? In either case, why you, especially as you say that you are "not especially a Christian and don't identify as one"?

To me Joseph represents a very protective figure. He stepped into a scandalous and dangerous situation in response to God's guidance--helping and protecting. He followed through with his marriage to Mary despite the fact that she was already expecting, took her to Bethlehem with him, and then fled with her and the Christ child to Egypt to escape the destruction planned by Herod. He was also guided by his dreams in all of these things. So, he is not inappropriate in terms of guiding someone away from danger to a protected place, as well as being an example of wisely following the guidance that can come through dreams. And, frankly, I find his apparent familiarity with, and affection for, the donkey and his kin to be touching and, in some way, proof that this might be a genuine appearance. The same is true of his affectionate pat on your head as a child. These have a "real life" quality to me that go beyond what I usually hear about (or experience) in dreams.

But why would you have such a character appear in your dreams, if these are only dreams? And, likewise, if this was a true appearance from Heaven of Joseph, why would he appear to you, who are "not especially a Christian and don't identify as one"? I suspect myself that this was a true visitation, which makes it of more concern to me. But with that I also cannot help but believe that Heaven has special plans for you, and that you may not long be one who is "not especially a Christian and don't identify as one". On the last point, take heart. There may be more ways to be a Christian than you (or most Christians) currently realize.

I find that I have provided my own opinions, ideas and speculations on the meaning of your dreams rather than waiting for yours. So, I may be totally wrong. Likewise, we do get trolls sometimes, so I also may have wasted my time responding to a fictional account. However, you do not seem untruthful, and if you are it is the risk we all take online. But since I believe you are being truthful, I would really like to hear from you on the two questions I raised as well as on my own speculations.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--Since I have decided to trust your account, I also can't help but remark that you seem to be a good deal more important and beloved in the eyes of Heaven than you currently may think. Dream visitations and guidance of the type you describe are not ordinary occurrences for anyone, including Christians.
PPS--Joseph stands out to me not only as a "refuge" but as a person who takes one to (or provides refuge). My hypothesis is that you have been "tapped" to play a Joseph role, and be a source of refuge after whatever "might" happen takes place. As such, it may be that you stand under Joseph's special protection and guidance.
PPPS--The last dream seems to send mixed signals in terms of the inevitability of whatever disaster is threatened. The use of "may" in the phrase "may yet be needed" might imply that the disaster is not inevitable. However, the "flash of blinding light" at the end seems to indicate otherwise.
 
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Oh, I am quite real, and your hypothesis is correct.

As to why Joseph I can take a guess. At 6, I trusted my dad more than my mom, and they were a lot alike. Both were blur collar, both raised kids not their own (my dad with my siblings), both believed heavily in loyalty. So there was a familiarity I understood and accepted.

When I was older I met an angel that terrified me, John the Baptist was too zealous, I am skeptical of Marian apritions...and I can go on why not those people. Ultimately Joseph was one the the few I would have trusted, especially at 6.

As to why me, that's a good question. I guess I was young enough not to freak out and also listen to the request. I don't have to listen to it, I can certainly choose not to pay a bit of attention to anything...but I did. We have free will, and I suspect this also goes into why Joseph, I did not question the task or complain, I simply accepted it and went oh, OK.

There is no heavenly plan here. There is the possibility of a dire need and mediocre people always rise up to fill that. I was warned, is all, as many people are warned. I just listened.

The flash...I am divided. It may be a warning of an event, it may be the end of the dream to startle me awake, it may have been a divine flash.

Nothing is inevitable by the way.
 
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When I was older I met an angel that terrified me, John the Baptist was too zealous, I am skeptical of Marian apritions...and I can go on why not those people. Ultimately Joseph was one the the few I would have trusted, especially at 6.

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There is no heavenly plan here. There is the possibility of a dire need and mediocre people always rise up to fill that. I was warned, is all, as many people are warned. I just listened.
Hi Elle,

Please tell me as much as you can about the angel that terrified you. I am interested in such reports, and like to collect them when possible. Likewise, when you say that "John the Baptist was too zealous" are you speaking from first-hand experience, or just based on the Biblical reports of his personality?

In terms of Heavenly plans, we may have to agree to disagree. However, I am unsure how to respond to your comment re mediocre people. I agree that the people that "rise up" in situations like this may be extremely ordinary from worldly standards. In fact, God seems to delight in using those who the world disdains or overlooks. However, that is partly because God knows and sees more than we do when it comes to character. Also, God can empower people to do what they would or could not do within their own power--so their limitations are not necessarily a barrier. All it seems to require in most respects is a willingness to respond to the expressed will of God when it is made known to them. This is often a very tough thing to do, and sometimes requires extraordinary determination and courage. I don't consider such people to be "mediocre"--no matter what the world's judgment may be.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--In terms of Marian apparitions, my feelings are mixed. I maintain a level of doubt in terms of some, but not so much in terms of others.
PPS--All of the foregoing (even where not clearly stated) is "in my opinion" (though also based on the Scriptural witness as best I understand it).
 
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