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Past Life Membership in Occult Groups

SeaAndSky

SeaAndSky

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I'm checking for past life memories related to membership in and/or association with Western occult groups and their founders. This could include Golden Dawn, Rosicrucians, Crowley, Dion Fortune, and so forth, Etc. Such memories might go back to being a student of the Kabbalah or Hermeticism as well. Overall, I'm looking for memories that pertain to what has been called "The Western Tradition". Your PL memories of being a "Cunning Man/Woman" or the like would also be interesting, though this type of thing tends to function on more of an apprenticeship model and be a bit more agrarian and less comprehensive in its teachings, etc. Anyhow, anything you got on your "magical" past life in a "Western" context . . . .
 
Oh, I should also mention another connection--and reason for interest. Such groups have techniques and goals of cultivating and improving psychic abilities. One thing I have noticed on this board is that a lot of people here have such abilities to one degree (or way) or another. Likewise, many groups of this type tend to seek or cultivate PL memories. Hence, since the characteristics cultivated by such groupings and studies tend to produce some of the results seen on this board, I'm curious to look into possible connections.


S&S
 
Hi Argonne,


Any recollection of the specific location in Transylvania and the nature, individuals, sources and studies involved? Alchemy was very big in that day, and seemed to have more to do with transmuting the human character into Gold than transmuting lead into gold. Likewise, it was far more magical than chemical:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy


Also, there were groups studying the Kaballah both in Jewish and Christian contexts:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah


Likewise, the hermetic tradition was big. Cornelius Agrippa was a big name, as were Paracelsus and others:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Cornelius_Agrippa


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus


All of this was interwoven with Astrology and magic. Anyhow, anything you can remember would be interesting to me.


Cordially,


S&S
 
BTW, to anyone interested in this area, you may want to check out the following Wikipedia article:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_esotericism


You can use it to look up the period of your PL and see what was the "Happening Thing" during that period and who and what were the big names and ideas in terms of movements, organizations, teachers and so forth. There is a lot of continuity in terms of Western occult, mystical and magical ideas going back to ancient times, but getting particulars re a particular PL period may lead to nice areas for research as well as stimulating memory.


Cordially,


S&S
 
I'm pretty sure I was a high ranking member of the Masons or Rosicrucians in a past life in the 1700's. As a matter of fact, that relates to one of my first past life memories (I copied and pasted this from an earlier thread):

I was walking back from the (Masonic?) lodge with my friend, who was a man in his twenties dressed in the style of the 18th century (as was I). The topic of the lodge happened to have been about reincarnation, and we were joking around and he elbowed me in the ribs and said something like, "What about you, do you believe in any of that reincarnation business?" and I said, "I don't know, but if there is such a thing may I remember this conversation in some future life!"
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The moral of this story is, be careful what you wish for, even in jest! :)
 
Hi Jody,


Thanks for your memories on this. These were two organizations that were definite "edgy" in the period mentioned. I have trouble associating that type of image with the Masons of today, but everything I read indicates that varieties of Masons and Masonic Ritual were important parts of, or were incorporated into, most of the magical movements and groups of the 1700s and 1800s. Likewise, the Rosicrucians keep turning up and varieties of Rosicrucian continue to be part of the Western Mysteries "scene" up to the current date.


S&S


PS--I appreciate the point about remembering the conversation. I am intrigued by how our "wishes"--even casual ones--can sometimes be granted in future lives.
 
(this is dictated on my iPhone so I apologize if some spelling or grammar is off).


Hello,


I saw this message when I was lurking a few months ago. I've only ever been to this site one other time up until a day or two ago. I was pretty surprised the first time I saw this, especially because you also posted the thread about early Theosophists. I almost posted then, but I didn't for whatever reason. Then the other day I was on a totally unrelated site and saw the name "Kailani," and it struck me and I looked up the meaning, which I saw was "sea and sky." Not an hour later I found myself back here for some reason; I remembered your post but not your username. When I saw what it was, I thought maybe it was a sign that I should post here.


Anyway, not too long ago I was in this occult group, which in my opinion getting to be more and more of a cult. I met my husband there and some great friends, but we decided to leave it in 2014. Anyway, we were pretty core members of the group, and we are leaders of the group thought they were Crowley and Mcgregor Mathers (they believe they were a lot of different people, some I agree with and some I question. But I have had memories of them being some of these people, without knowing they claim to be those people when I had the memory. Four instance, they claim to be Thomas Jefferson (Mathers) and Benjamin Franklin (Crowley). I had a spontaneous and vivid memory of being in France at a dinner table talking to the teacher in the 1700s, who then I realized was Benjamin Franklin. Later when I asked a student about it, she told me that he does tell closer students that he was Franklin). Many of the other students also thought they were reincarnations of people in the Golden Dawn or the OTO. It sounds crazy I know, but when I joined the group online I had dreams about Crowley, not knowing he was part of this group and not being interested in him at all before that. Then I somehow knew that it was this teacher the first time I visited in person. So I think it is him (also based on his personality, ego, charisma, and magical aptitude now, also he was born on April 8, the first day day the Book of the Law was received. He also had people telling him he was Crowley before he thought so himself, and his students look eearily similar and have similar personalities and interests to some of OTO students in the past. His ex-girlfriend looks very similar to one of his Scarlet women). I think knew Crowley then, but was not a student. I'm not interested in Thelema much at all.


In the group, my husband was assumed to be Paul Foster Case, based on intuition I guess, and relationships with other people in the group. He wasn't the first one who said that; the girlfriend of one of the leaders, who was supposedly Moina Mathers, did and the leaders agreed. Before she said that, he was signing his name "perseverance," not knowing that was Case's magical motto. He was a teacher in this order and both the leaders and the other students said he was a very good magical teacher.


My husband thinks I was Dion Fortune. I am not entirely sure. I have some similarities, and when I read her writings it does very much sound like me. Before I joined this order I had the idea to write a book called The Cosmic Doctrine, not knowing about her or that she had a book called that. I spent years writing a book on the nature of reality, not knowing that she did the same. But I don't have any memories. I have some memories of being in a boarding school like setting in the early 1900s, which may match a school she was in. Also I've had memories, years before I joined this occult school, of learning psychology in the 1920s or so, which she did. Also, I had a similar relationship to the supposed reincarnation of Moina as my husband did (Case and fortune were both expelled from Alpha and Omega by Moina), though he was in the school much longer and much more history with her.


But I also have memories that seem not to match so well. Well, not memories exactly, but impressions. I think I was a Theosophist. When I was 14, my first independent spiritual reading was modern Theosophical books and I LOVED them. They are what really set me off on the spiritual path this lifetime. I am drawn to a mix of Hindu and Occult beliefs. I've been obsessed with everything about India my whole life pretty much. For several years I was exclusively folllwing Vedanta, specifically Sri Aurobindo. know Dion Fortune was a Theosophist briefly, but from what I've read, she was critical of Eastern influences and thought that in the West, a Western approach was better (Anna Kingsford, whom I mention below, thought the same). That doesn't sound much like me at all.


I also think I actually knew Blavatsky. OK, some more stuff that sounds crazy: I'm an initiate of a certain Kriya Yoga group. The leaders of the occult school were too, but seem to have had a falling out with leaders; basically they wanted to do their own thing and want to do the gurus themselves, even though they lack the humility and wisdom and everything a guru needs ( there is a lot of animosity and karma between us), and started trash talking Kriya. Though for a while they were definitely devout followers. Anyway, they believe the wife of the guru was Blavatsky. I think it's mostly speculation, though I agree based on a bunch of reasons that I can get into if you want. When I first saw the guru's wife, I had an extremely emotional reaction that shocked me. I saw her from a distance in a crowded auditorium in Queens and started crying. That night I had a dream where she gave me a Kali-like energy transmission and I asked her if she was Blavatsky, and she smiled. It wasn't a definite yes, it was kind of mysterious, but I think it was saying that she was.


Also, one of the senior American disciples is said to be Olcott. Yes, it is more speculation, as he doesn't really like to confirm his own past incarnations (he thinks we should focus on the present), but he does look very similar to him and is close to the guru's wife and the Guru, who himself claims to be an incarnation of El Morya. Is also a spiritual teacher in his own right. He actually married me and my husband on February 17, which I didn't know until later is a prominent day in Theosophy. I'm not sure if that's significant.


Anyway, I think I knew Blavatsky and Olcott. I also get strong feelings when looking at photos of William Quan Judge. Sometimes I think I was Anna Kingsford (though honestly that's mainly based on her similarities with Dion fortune, and that she died two years before Fortune was born), but honestly for some reason she really annoys me. I don't like her at all. She seems like an arrogant snob, and a bit crazy and an egomaniac. I don't know if that means I definitely wasn't her though. I have impressions of both London and New York in the late 1800s, which don't fit her as I don't think she ever travel to America. Neither did Dion Fortune. But I also have feelings of being out west, like taking the train out to the western United States. I also think I was in India. I have also considered that I was Annie Besant, who I don't really like either. I think it might just be because she never smiles in photos and the whole Krishnamurti debacle. I was a member of the Socialist party when I was a teenager, and I was an atheist when I was a young teenager; before she became a theosophist she was a well-known atheist and socialist. And she lived in India and was passionate about India. I definitely think I was on occult author; I've always wanted to be an occult writer in this lifetime and have started writing some huge treatises.


This is kind of convoluted; I apologize. I've been having flashes of past lives for at least 15 years. It can be very frustrating though because often I'll have a memory and forget it as soon as it happened. I often asked God to stop making me have these memories that don't amount to anything. They're impressions that come up and make me feel all these emotions and seem to try to tell me something but I don't know what it is exactly. Other people seem to be OK with not caring about past lives, but it's like some mystery I feel compelled to solve. Probably partially because of these on memory flashes.


Maybe we can help each other connect the dots.
 
Hi Azothea,


Thanks for your post. I'm very interested in continuing our conversation, but tied up for the moment, so I can't say as much as I'd like. However, it seems we may have moved in some of the same circles. If you were associated with Theosophy in the late 1800s, you almost certainly crossed paths with my putative PL during that period, Vera Johnston (Blavatsky's niece). You have all of the relevant cites to her and Charles Johnston in my prior postings, but you may want to check out relevant articles and images to see if they ring any bells. In the meantime, Welcome!


Cordially,


S&S


PS--As you may be able to tell, among the many "names" from the period, the only occultist to whom I find myself attracted/interested is Dion Fortune (with Crowley just the opposite). There was plenty going on, but I don't think that was the track I was on.
 
Hi Azothea,


I came of age at an earlier time (1960s) in a small Southern city in a small Anglican church. My access to resources and knowledge of the esoteric was very limited indeed, though I believe I always had a drawing to such things. Hence, it wasn’t until I was able to begin visiting our downtown library at 12 (c. 1965), that I discovered Theosophy. It immediately resonated with me. It supplied an idea of meditation, psychic development/evolution, and the psychic structure of the universe and the planes of existence that I had felt as a void (without knowing what was missing) in my Christian background. However, it wasn’t long before I found Theosophy lacking in . . . . something, as well as seeming a bit off base. Also, like you, I seemed to have an innate reaction to certain figures, such as Besant et al. I found more of what I was looking for in Yoga, and worked on Hatha Yoga using books that began to become available in the late 60s, while longing for some path to serious meditational/contemplative practices. I am familiar with Kriya Yoga through reading “Autobiography of a Yogi” (which I really liked) several times, but there was no internet and no access in my area to this form of Yoga, though TM became popular and accessible in the early 70s. So, I began on that path and continued with my interest in all things “Eastern” including the martial arts and Zen. Still, I found something lacking, and also felt in some secret recess like I had abandoned by first true love and a great hope. I returned to Christ and have explored Christian Mysticism and spirituality for more than 30 years at this point, but here “the center could not hold”—not because Christ was insufficient, but because I ultimately decided that the theological structure built on the basis of his teachings was deficient and/or “off center” in a variety of ways. So, I’m back in the exploration business, but definitely not abandoning my Lord in the process. I am a Christian in the sense that I am his follower and He is my Lord, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that I am always in agreement with current Christian doctrine and theology, which I consider to be man-made constructs and hence subject to error.


I go through the foregoing mostly to illustrate how this tracks with my putative PL as Vera Johnston. She was initially skeptical of her Aunt, but later became an ardent Theosophist, marrying Charles Johnston, who became a major Theosophical writer and “orientalist” scholar. They went to India where he was to be employed in the Civil Service, but Charles’ health problems ultimately brought them back to the West. They settled in the U.S., where they took a side in the various schisms that beset Theosophy after Blavatsky’s death adverse to Besant et al. (http://www.theosophy.wiki/en/Theosophical_Society_in_America_(Hargrove)). However, it is apparent that Charles and Vera did not find Theosophy alone sufficient. Like Paul Foster Case, who was ordained in the Liberal Catholic Church, they sought to combine the teaching and practice of Jesus Christ with Theosophy, and attended an Anglican Church under a Theosophist minister (http://www.theosophy.wiki/en/Ernest_Temple_Hargrove) as well as being part of the “Order of the Living Christ” (http://www.theosophy.wiki/en/Order_of_the_Living_Christ). I could say much more on all of the foregoing, but I have to wonder (based on what you have said) whether you were also part of this grouping of Theosophists in NYC.


Cordially,


S&S


PS—I retain a somewhat skeptical attitude towards Blavatsky and Theosophy. It seems to me to present a rich vein of ore to be mined, but not to be complete. Also, after dallying with Eastern philosophy, I always find myself coming back to Western sources of esoteric wisdom, which I consider to be a very underestimated and under appreciated resource.
 
Azothea,


BTW--you may also want to check the following site, listing names of associates of Blavatsky, to see if any names ring a bell:


http://www.theosophy.wiki/en/Category:Associates_of_HPB


Cordially,


S&S


PS--I should have mentioned before how interested I was in your reference to the name Kailani (Sea and Sky), which I had not heard before. I am intrigued by its meaning and beauty. I can't say anything definite at this point, but this is one that I am going to be thinking about . . . .
 
Thank you for the list SeaAndSky. :) I'm going to go through it...and afterwards still probably not have any idea who I was LOL. But it'll be fun. Since reading this forum I've been getting more memories from different lifetimes, though I'm not sure how legitimate they are.


It's nice reading other people caring about them; usually when I try to talk to people I know about it they tell me to focus on the present, which I guess is probably true.


I grew up in Western NY, and we lived fairly close to Lily Dale Spiritualist community. I used to go at least every summer, and still go every year when I visit. I also joined a Spiritualist church for a while when I lived up there and took classes. I know there were people involved in both Spiritualism and Theosophy; maybe I was one of those people.


How do you like knowing you were a different gender in your previous life. Your husband was pretty cute! wine**
 
Hi Azothea,


Thanks for your response. In terms of memories, the standing advice you hear around here is to write them all down and don't worry too much at first how they connect. You can leave that for later.


In terms of focusing on the present--yes and no. As someone said, don't give up your day job. I.e., no one can afford to become so caught up in an avocation such as PL research and memories that the present is shortchanged. With that caveat, I don't see any reason not to try to find out more about "who" I ultimately am. PLs are part of this quest for understanding.


From what I can tell there are three main types of folks on this board: (1) the merely curious, (2) the traumatized, and (3) the "rememberers". Of course these also come in combinations and degrees, but generally you will find that the folks who are (3) strong rememberers don't really seem to obsess too much about PLs. They often have remembered a lot about PLs from childhood and seem to take it in stride. The next group are the (2) traumatized, who primarily manifest some issue or another that cannot be resolved in some other way--phobias, obsessions, anomalous reactions to places/things, etc. that do not seem to be based on anything in the present life. For them, trying to remember and overcome what is troubling them is a therapeutic exercise as much as it is a personal quest. The quest here can get a bit out of balance, but once again, most seem to be able to balance their lives. Of the merely curious--no harm there for most.


In terms of Lily Dale, I lived in Rochester NY from 2000-2008, but I didn't know anything about Lily Dale while I was in the vicinity. It sounds interesting. We thought there was "something in the water" up there based not only on the number of religious movements founded in the general area, but also on the number of very creative and inventive types we found there.


Your last comment is the most loaded. I'm not sure how to answer as I am still dealing with this whole subject. Cross-gender lives happen. According to Stevenson's research around 1 or 2 lives out of 10 is cross-gender (compared to the PLs that preceded). There is disagreement on the board as to whether the reincarnating entity has gender, but I can say that (in accordance with what I said above) the rememberers don't seem to be troubled overall, while (as a non-rememberer) I'm still trying to figure it out.


The strange thing is that I have no strong reaction to the pictures I have seen of Charles Johnston, and certainly no romantic feelings. I don't really remember his image, though he vaguely reminds me of . . . someone I may have seen sometime in this life. However, I have had powerful emotional memories that seem to be related to our putative PL relationship. They are, frankly, a bit uncomfortable for an aging grandpa--but they are not day-to-day. They were experienced during regression "events", whether sought or spontaneous.


What I have at present is a strong sense of someone I'd very much like to talk to again if I could find him. I'm considered to be a pretty bright person, but Charles (by all accounts) was both very brilliant and very spiritual. Somehow I have a rather wistful sense that I could really benefit from access to his wisdom at this point in my life. It's not a romantic feeling, but an emotional memory perhaps of what he used to represent to me as a source of guidance and wisdom on spiritual things . . . . perhaps.


Cordially,


S&S
 
Hi All,

I just wanted to bring this one back up as we have had a lot of folks come to the board since this was last active. I'm always curious about past lives involved in "occult" areas and endeavors and interested in how many of the people who come here have had such involvement in prior lives.

Cordially,
S&S
 
I have always been drawn to the Hellfire Club and feel like I may have been a rakish, Libertine in a past life. In this one, I am a woman with a very raunchy as well as a dark sense of humor. There are other feelings I have had about the subject but I have not really explored them.
 
Hi Christina,

Thanks for your response. It sounds like you've played the rake and rogue at some point, but I'm mostly interested in those "other feelings" you have about this subject and have not yet explored. I'm primarily looking to stir up some comments, stories and "memories" from folks with memories of involvement in the "occult" in one way or another. This would include alchemists, mages, astrologers and etc. at one end of the educational/social scale through to Hedge witches, cunning folk, charm makers, and so forth at the other. I use "occult" as it is currently used to designate such things. I.e., at the time alchemists and astrologers were most active I don't think they were considered to be that far off the beaten path, but to be involved in deep investigations and studies of great mysteries. I am also not making any particular distinction between the "good" and "bad" at this point. Cunning folk were, for example, usually considered to be a valued part of their local communities, and were definitely not seen as being the same as "witches" (which is a term that has--until relatively recently--had a very negative connotation). However, I'm interested in both, though (in terms of my own personal interests) I'm probably most interested in late 19th and early 20th century experiences.

Cordially,
S&S
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Christina,

Thanks for your response. It sounds like you've played the rake and rogue at some point, but I'm mostly interested in those "other feelings" you have about this subject and have not yet explored. I'm primarily looking to stir up some comments, stories and "memories" from folks with memories of involvement in the "occult" in one way or another. This would include alchemists, mages, astrologers and etc. at one end of the educational/social scale through to Hedge witches, cunning folk, charm makers, and so forth at the other. I use "occult" as it is currently used to designate such things. I.e., at the time alchemists and astrologers were most active I don't think they were considered to be that far off the beaten path, but to be involved in deep investigations and studies of great mysteries. I am also not making any particular distinction between the "good" and "bad" at this point. Cunning folk were, for example, usually considered to be a valued part of their local communities, and were definitely not seen as being the same as "witches" (which is a term that has--until relatively recently--had a very negative connotation). However, I'm interested in both, though (in terms of my own personal interests) I'm probably most interested in late 19th and early 20th century experiences.

Cordially,
S&S
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Hi Sea&Sky

I know that in a life where I died in 1862 that both my then husband and I believed in re-incarnation, he was much more taken with it than I but I did believe we might return in body. Neither of us dabbled though, and I was definitely a believer in God and in Christianity even though I don't remember much going to church then. Maybe my parents and brother and sister of that life did more than I. Well my sister must have. She married a Vicar.

Neither of us, nor as far as I remember any of our friends, involved ourselves in any occult groups. I can't remember the idea even being discussed.

I have some natural memories of pl's though. Rather like in our current lives of a long time ago, bits and pieces. I also remember quite a bit of inbetween. You know the flower of life pattern? I suspect it represents an area where, for a time, spirits remain individual yet merge to an extent. If a spirit obeys when told to go in there then memories are wiped. I remember refusing to join in there.

Nothing to do with being in any group in any pl for me, anyway.

Best wishes,

Angie
 
Hi Angie,

Thanks for your post. Do you remember more about the setting, such as geographic location, your husband's profession, denominational affiliation, etc.? Your husband and you must have discussed the matter at some point since you know his beliefs as well as your own, so it may have been an idea that originally came from him. Or, if you derived it separately, you may recall how he also came to that conclusion.

Also, please elaborate on the "flower of life pattern" and etc. This is not something I am familiar with. Very interesting overall. The 19th century was a time of tremendous change and new ideas in the spiritual arena.

Cordially,
S&S
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Angie,

Thanks for your post. Do you remember more about the setting, such as geographic location, your husband's profession, denominational affiliation, etc.? Your husband and you must have discussed the matter at some point since you know his beliefs as well as your own, so it may have been an idea that originally came from him. Or, if you derived it separately, you may recall how he also came to that conclusion.

Also, please elaborate on the "flower of life pattern" and etc. This is not something I am familiar with. Very interesting overall. The 19th century was a time of tremendous change and new ideas in the spiritual arena.

Cordially,
S&S
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Hi S&S,

Your first Q; We were a quite well known couple, due to my husband and his professional success and his friends, some of whom became my friends also. I don't want to name who I or he was as to be honest I want to avoid a lot of questions that arise from just curiosity. It's in the now distant past and I have learned what I needed to from the natural memory. It is the only life i've ever recalled where I was quite well known and mixed with others likewise
I am sure the idea of re-incarnation in that life was his, and I didn't disbelieve in it. He was more interested in it than I was. I can't remember his other 'beliefs' and am not sure that he had any real convictions that were very deep other than in pl's. I am certain he wasn't interested in dabbling, seances or anything like that. To be honest his main interests were his profession, friends and women. He was a bit of a womaniser. I had a miscarriage and then we had no children. I died relatively youngish and may have been in the early stages of a second pregnancy. It was Victorian times. That was that.

The flower of life. I saw it between the end of the last life I remember when I was an average middle class woman, and died age 42 in 1908. I was told to join in an area that quite resembled how the flower of life looks. I asked about if i'd keep my memories if I did and was told No. So I refused to enter there. The spirit who had led me there then left. I wandered around the outside of the area, back and forth, for a long time trying to see if I could recognise anyone in there but all the merged yet individual spirits were indistinguisable from each other.
Eventually, a firm no nonsense type of spirit came and told me I had to come back here, and I argued as I didn't want to. I asked what would happen if I refused and was told I would be sent somewhere worse. That decision wasn't by that spirit, who just had the task of escorting me back to a body. I was told I had to come back 'to learn to do as' i'm 'told'(!). Maybe meaning for my own good rather than to please any higher authority, i'm not sure. I know i'm also meant to learn to let go of those I love most, my children, when a life ends. So far i'm not doing well on managing to do either of those two tasks.
I once mentioned the flower of life area to a woman who attended a spiritualist church. She said it was a plain. I tried to discuss it more but she then seemed to need to go somewhere. I don't think she was avoiding but she just had to be elsewhere, and she simply said 'It's a plain. There are several plains'.

I hope that's helpful.

Best wishes,

Angie
 
I have memories of a life at the turn of 15th and 16th century in Venice, Italy. I was member of a secret society. We had masked gatherings and ceremonies, and I saw a symbol with an eye. We were studying ancient texts coming from antique civilisations, rediscovering philosophies, sciences, mathematics. Maybe we saw ourselves as alchemists, but it seems that we were more scientists than magicians. Maybe I've found which society it was. In early 16th century a guy named Panteo wrote a book in Venice about what he called voarchadumia, some sort of alchemy. And I found a mention of a secret society of this time and place also called Voarchadumia. It's possible it was the society I was in. I even became one of their leaders at the end of my life, as earlier leaders disappeared. I didn't wanted to take such responsibilities. Our main difficulty was to find sources of funding. Our main patron was a once powerful italian family, maybe Perozzi or Peruzzi.
 
Hi Angie,

All interesting.

Spiritualism has, as far as I can tell, always believed in several after-life domains, usually referred to as "spheres", but the nomenclature seems to vary quite a bit. Some I've read refer to seven great spheres (maybe more) with each sphere having multiple planes (or regions). So, it all gets a bit complicated. However, something similar to this (i.e., multiple immaterial domains, some higher, some lower, with different naming patterns, etc.) crops up in almost all religions, philosophies, occult teachings, etc. However, I've never heard of one that looks like the "flower of life" where people lose their past-life memories, so that is new info.

I hope you can give a bit more info about your husband and where he might have picked up his reincarnation beliefs at some point. I'm tempted to link him with the New England Transcendentalism movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism), but there was a tremendous amount of intellectual ferment and spiritual revolution brewing in the mid-19th century in the NE of the U.S., including NY. So, he could be involved with a variety of things during that era.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi Guillaume,

I like your statement that "we were more scientists than magicians", though I think you may have an incorrect impression of "magic". Alchemy, Astrology, and Magic, were three fields that I believe were considered areas of great interest throughout this period and quite appropriate for great minds and serious study. All were, at their best, considered slightly subversive by the Church. But a careful scholar could finesse his way through the minefield of ecclesiastical objections, and as your post indicates there were patrons who would willingly finance this type of exploration. Of all of them, anything thought to be "Magic" could be the most troublesome, as it could (if not pursued with utmost caution) lead to accusations of consorting with evil powers. Still, men like Paracelsus, Agrippa, Dee, Trithemius, Flamel, etc. are still famous for their explorations in one or more of these areas. Thanks for your post!

Cordially,
S&S
 
Thank you Angie. I already found a Peruzzi family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruzzi), and even some Perozzi. I don't know if they're the same. It seems that this family took part in the plots against the Medicis with the Pazzi.

S&S, you're right. at this time there was no separation between knowledges like science, magic and alchemy. All were worth studying and we were not locked up in only one discipline. And it was because of the church that we had to organize into secret societies. Secret was the condition to not be spotted by the church.
 
Hi Gauillame D

An interesting link. So it was in Italy that double entry bookkeeping was developed.
I see Edward III was in part responsible for the financial downfall for the banking branch of his family. I'm not surprised as even now there are still a few royals and nobles worldwide of all races and colours who don't always pay their debts, but due to their power it doesn't usually reach the mainstream media. The Queen of England, Elizabeth II, is among those who do have a very good reputation for paying her bills, but there are others who had or have now a dreadful reputation.

Hopefully, what you have found online will help you remember what you need to so that you can settle the memory :-)

Best wishes,

Angela
 
Hi S&S,

We were born in England and based in London. We both had some Italian ancestry. We were young adults when we met and got to know each others families well, so I know there was no occult interest from any of them. Tbh, they would all have been against it as they were Christians, even those who didn't go to church frequently.

My then husband's belief in re-incarnation was to do with believing he had a soul mate he had lived with in a pl, and at one time he and I thought that was myself but it wasn't. I suspect it probably was another who he later fell in love with. They did love each other very much and he was possibly a bit more faithful to her after I died than he was to me when I was alive. So, his interest in re-incarnation was restricted solely to finding and being with his soul mate. He had no care to identify and validate anyone or anything else from a pl, and only wanted his soul mate.

Best wishes,

Angela
 
Jody said:
I'm pretty sure I was a high ranking member of the Masons or Rosicrucians in a past life in the 1700's. As a matter of fact, that relates to one of my first past life memories (I copied and pasted this from an earlier thread):


The moral of this story is, be careful what you wish for, even in jest! :)
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SAME! I had a life in that era as a member of the illuminati/ Freemasons. My father was in it as well. I tried to get me aon out but the kidnapped him anyways. Do you know your namr from that life?
 
Just bumping this thread up for comment. As explained in post #2 above:

"Such groups have techniques and goals of cultivating and improving psychic abilities. One thing I have noticed on this board is that a lot of people here have such abilities to one degree (or way) or another. Likewise, many groups of this type tend to seek or cultivate PL memories. Hence, since the characteristics cultivated by such groupings and studies tend to produce some of the results seen on this board, I'm curious to look into possible connections."

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hmmm. I think I would like to expand this topic to not only include past lives, but current life, but that seems to call for a new thread. So, I'll jump over to the religion and spirituality heading for that.
 
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