Titus Rivas
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Of course I'm very much in favour of a good translation of the article, but the trouble is that at present I'm simply too busy to do it myself any time soon.Nightrain1 said:
Thanks again for your efforts.
Titus
Reincarnation Information brought back by NDE experiencers
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Thanks again for your efforts.
Titus
dking777
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I found a few more links.sellingmysoul said:
- The Scientific Proof of Survival After Death - By Michael Roll
- Scientific Support for Evidence Based Mediumship, Life After Physical Death and After Death Communication
- The Afterlife Experiments, Breakthrough Scientific Evidence of Life After Death - by Gary E. Schwartz
- Six Studies of Out of Body Experiences - by Charles T. Tart
The debate between 'believers' and 'skeptics' reminds me of the debate that goes on between Republicans and Democrats. Truth gets swept aside in favor of politics.
DK
Raakel
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But, also, does anyone know how many people who have had NDEs report feeling something in-between blissful love and something else, such as hell...? You never hear of that kind of thing. I had a NDE (though it was never confirmed by a doctor that I was dead or anything, since it happened at home) about seven years ago, and though I felt as though I was in a ''good'' place immediately after my apparently death, I never felt any kind of blissful love, or even a particular peace, though I sure didn't feel as though I was in trouble, either. I suppose that I just felt mostly content. Not indifferent to the situation at all, but just content and sort of interested.fiziwig said:
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A Rasch scaling validation of a ‘core’ near-death experienceRaakel said:
Dr. Bruce Greyson came up with a questionare back in 1983 that is sort of the standard test for a 'core' near death experience. The questions can be found in the appendix of the page link above. The page sort of breaks down the elements researchers are looking for in their data. To be considered for research - you have to score at least a 7 out of of a possible score of 32.
For more statistics on how some researchers classify what an actual 'near-death' experience is - there is the report through the Lancelot from P van Lommel MD. Of the people in his survey that died a clinical death - 82% had no memory. 6% had slight recall. Only the remaining 12% underwent a classical NDE who could pass the scaled test of questions.
Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands
For research purposes - 82% of the people who went through a verifiable 'clinical' death with a Doctor present - would not have qualified for research and be considered a 'near death experience' patient - even through - they endured a loss of vital signs.
DK
dking777
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One of these days - I am going to get around to writing all my experiences down in a format that can be read by others. Your mentioning of 'smelling sulfur' stands out in my mind. I had an occasion to study this in the aftermath of my NDE. I was 18 and had amnesia - so - I was working with two college professors. They wanted to refer me to Dr. Raymond Moody but I read his book and didn't identify with his case studies. His were very 'simple' transitions.sellingmysoul said:
One of the aftermath effects of my NDE was contact with spirits. If you were hanging around me back in the day - I could and would pull out spirits and show them to you. People would run and scream when they say a spirit pop out of thin air and come running at them. (I was trying to give testimony of my experinces and people were telling me that I was hallucenating. I would show them the spirits I was dealing with in a mystical and metaphysical level.) They would change their tune after encountering a phantom. It was comical from my point of view. (I was a teenager at the time and had a wicked sense of humor about it.) I did show my two Doctors the 'spirit' I worked with. Not vividly. I just had the spirit move things around for them.
I had shown over 50 people the sight of this 'spirit' - which I knew was 'acting as an angel' to me in the aftermath of my NDE. I had direct knowledge. Other people were blind to the nature of this spirit. One of the things people said they had happen to them when they saw this 'spirit' - was - they all reported smelling 'sulfur' or a rotten egg scent. I reported this fact to my Doctors for an explanation to it. It was a divine spirit and I wanted to know why people in their human minds and reaction to the sight of something 'divine' would turn it into something diabolical that 'smelled.' I had never smelt it. The Doctors explained that a strong 'sulfur' smell is a biological reaction to 'fear.' The body produces heat in moments of fear to gear up for a reaction what they perceive as a threat. That quick reaction burns sulfur in the physical body and produces the smell inwardly - and not 'outwardly.'
There is a 'mental process' you go through in the 'out of body' portion of the 'near death' experience. If you haven't fully left the physical - then - you are going to have a physical and biological reaction to the 'sight' of 'spirits' beyond your normal everyday understanding in a human form. You have to go through the 'transition' of leaving the 'physical senses' behind and be fully in 'spirit' before you can shed that sort of reaction.
On of my friends got so spooked by all the talk - he got caught up in a 'joke' where a plastic piece was being pulled across a rug by a string. He reacted like that piece of plastic was the 'devil' himself. In his mind - it was the devil when actually - is was just a piece of plastic being pulled by a string. (He reported smelling sulfur.)
So - for me - when I read or hear about someone talking about 'smelling' sulfur during a death experience - it is all about perception. This tells me that they didn't fully leave their 'human senses' behind and reacted with a 'human mind' toward the 'divine' spirits on the other side. It wouldn't be a 'full blown' NDE as much as a partial glimpse and their physical reaction in their own minds - was based on fear. The fact they smell sulfur burning gives it away for me.
I am leery of any testimony I read on the Internet. I would stick to the Doctors who are licensed and have years of practical and professional experience dealing with this in a clinical setting. Just my opinion of course - based on my own experiences with it.
DK
Nightrain
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Hi DK!dking777 said:
I always find your experiences extremely intriguing, and wish that I could only share a very tiny bit of what you've experienced. I consider anyone, who witnesses a paranormal experience, to be exceedingly fortunate, and I feel a kind of first-hand disappointment that they don't appreciate what they are seeing. Have any of those friends returned with any kind of enlightenment?
dking777
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It had it's price. I had a very severe case of retrograde amnesia after my car crash which effected episodic memory. It was a very big struggle. The retrograde amnesia turned into global amnesia and the Doctors I worked with stated there was no clinical name for my condition because a case like mine had never been documented before. It was frustrating and gave me massive migraine headaches that plagued me for 4 years. It has taken me years to get over the hurdle of the physical, psychological and emotional handicaps.Nightrain1 said:
This is what I thought myself.....but I found out rather quickly that not every human mind is geared to handle the direct encounter with 'spiritual' entities - or - the mysteries of life. It stuns the human mind into a state of shock. It causes superstition when people aren't able to deal with the 'direct' experience. I was just a teenager and most of the people I dealt with were teens as well. When I got a few older adults involved - they were mostly family members and they were grounded in an old fashioned fundamentalists 'religious' mindset. Instead of seeing the 'divine' aspect of it - they viewed it as 'from the devil.' My Grandfather advised me to leave town and allow things to cool off. My Grandfather had worked with me as a child and also had experience dealing with the 'spirits' I worked with. They had visited him during the night. He said it was a 'kind' and 'gentle' vision that came to him. He felt I had been too abrupt with others when I turned 18 and had amnesia. I had worked with this sort of element since my first 'near-death' incident at the age of six. I couldn't remember all the times in the past, so my Grandfather was watching my back.Nightrain1 said:
Speaking of NDE's. I did a private informal survey and was led to other teenagers who had a 'clinical' case of death due to a traumatic physical experience that led to a loss of vital signs. I was led (through spirit) to ten other individuals. (I got my idea from Moody and his work.) I wanted to see if my 'death' experience was the cause of my 'mystical insights.' I couldn't find anyone else who came close to the direct mystical and spiritual experiences I was going through.
That is when I was led to 'study' reincarnation. In my case, the spirits I worked with were instructing me that my abilities were latent and carried over from a previous life. My Grandfather and family members refereed to me as a 'mystic.' Too deep into the mysteries for their normal rational minds to comprehend. So - through the spirits - I learned that I was also a mystic in a former life and that was why I had the 'direct experiences' that I did. So - I gave up looking for the NDE to explain my mystical abilities and started my path to comprehend how 'reincarnation' had a hand in the foundation of my mystical insights. Of course, I then found out how superstitious fundamental minds are about reincarnation. So - I started using a parable about my childhood as a former life - since - I had amnesia and had no memory of it. I died on my 18th birthday and came back into a different mind - but - the same physical body. I told all my 'new' friends about my 'death' experience and they helped me cope with the experiences going on around me.
One of my friends had also had a 'NDE' at the age of 13. He was struck by a car while riding a bicycle and had a head injury that required years of recovery. He too - went 'out of body' and had an encounter with a 'spirit' of divine light - but didn't come back with a 'direct connection.' He was one of the friends I helped 'see' and 'hear' the spirits around me. I was in a new city trying a different approach in an effort to avoid the sulfur smell. I never kept in touch with the old friends from my hometown - so I have no idea what or how it effected their lives. My family members were used to it from my childhood. My new friends in the new city each had their own reaction to the mystical happenings around me. One of them was a 'die hard' atheist and after dealing with me he changed his tune. He is the one who claimed a sort of 'awakening.' After working with him, I learned how to 'tone down' the direct path and took an indirect path. Too much light can blind a person. It has to come in doses that is measured out for the individual mind. For me, I didn't feel 'spiritual insights' was a 'one size' fits all. I found that people were at different stages of their own progression toward finding the 'truth' hidden in their own hearts. That is where the 'truth' that counts is hidden. It is not outside of us as much as it is within us.
There is not one individual who doesn't have a 'spirit' hidden within and that spirit has a case history of past lives and direct experience with the 'afterlife' and spiritual realm. Where a person's mind is at in the moment is where it needs to be for the sake of their own spiritual progression. When I turned 23 I gave up on trying to bring people up to my level of understanding. I was informed through my own spirit guides that sometimes it takes many lives to obtain a level of mental comprehension to reach a heightened state of awareness that evolves into a 'direct connection' that I walked with from the age of 18 to the age of 23.
The saying I identified with is 'how kids were afraid of their own shadows' growing up. It was the same for the 'shadow of light' (spirit) hidden in us all. I found that people would run from the 'sense' of their own 'shadow of spirit' at first sight. This is one aspect I feel religion gets right when it speaks about the 'flesh' verses 'spirit.' There is a battle of wits that goes on. So, my advise to my friends after an encounter was to get in touch with their own 'spirit' and trust that 'one' to guide them to the 'truth of creation' for the sake of their own enlightenment. If you can't trust your own spirit who can you trust? So I didn't believe seeing 'other spirits' outside of oneself could or would led to any long term enlightenment. I felt a person needed to get in touch with and stay in communion with their own inner spirit to be guided on a path to enlightenment about 'spiritual truth.'
DK
dking777
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I ran into a documentary that has testimony about the NDE and reincarnation and I thought of this thread. It features Brian Weiss as well as Dannion Brinkley who was struck by lightening and died for 28 minutes. Infinity: The Ultimate Trip. It is rare to see both topics featured on the same video. My Internet connection is slow today - so - I haven't been able to watch the full video. I am curious what others opinions might be about the content of the video.
DK
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Nightrain
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The video, "Infinity", as this was called, was a half hour excerpt apparently of a longer video, and it featured the story narrations of several people including those you've mentioned above. It was very well done, and well worth the half hour. There is an accompanying book titled, "Infinity", that may be purchased as well. Thanks, DK!dking777 said:
dking777
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Thanks. I was finally able to watch it today. I was so excited by the names involved that I felt it had to be good. They do touch on many subjects that I (myself) gave voice to for three years after my NDE. So - it triggered recall.Nightrain1 said:
One of the narrators (Renate) stated that she was told by a 'guardian spirit' that you become what you hate in future lives. She was Jewish and asked the guide,
"Does that mean Hitler is going to become a Jew?"
This was something I told a friend of mine back in 1981. He had expressed an extreme 'hate' for a particular type of person. I told him that if he wasn't careful with his hate toward others - he would wake up in a different body in a future life and become exactly what he had hate for in him in this life. It was 'karma's' way of purging hate from system of the spirit.
Another thing the DVD touches on was a life review of your former lives as well as your current life. This was something I had a vague memory of in the aftermath of my life review. I couldn't remember the exact details - but - I could vaguely recall that the review included a pattern that brought me to the current life. It was no mistake or was it by chance. There was a formula involved and it all fell into a pattern.
Another question one of my friends asked me about reincarnation was - 'if they die in old age - and their parents have died before them - how would they be reunited with their parents if they are reincarnated?" The video gives the same answer I gave my friend back in 1981.
Over and over - I kept hearing 'truths' I spoke of after my own 'mystical trip' into the light. Including the fact that so many 'spirits' are lined up waiting for their chance to have an experience in this world.
Great presentation and puts the whole NDE and reincarnation theme into perspective I felt from my own experience.
DK
dking777
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I found a Youtube video of a near death experiencer who speaks at a conferance on reincarnation and karma. What she states matches up with my own 'knowing' from my personal NDE. Her name is Nanci Danison.
Youtube video - Reincarnation, Karma and the purpose of life.
She has written a book about her 1994 experience and it is titled 'Backwards.' I haven't all of her story yet - but from what little I know - she echos what I have posted here on the board in the past about our 'backward' view of reality and truth. It sounds as if she got the same 'knowing' or insight given to her about us working backwards to return to our source.
DK
Youtube video - Reincarnation, Karma and the purpose of life.
She has written a book about her 1994 experience and it is titled 'Backwards.' I haven't all of her story yet - but from what little I know - she echos what I have posted here on the board in the past about our 'backward' view of reality and truth. It sounds as if she got the same 'knowing' or insight given to her about us working backwards to return to our source.
DK
dking777
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I got some good news today from P.M.H Atwater. She is a visionary author who is a pioneer in the near-death studies. I wrote her last year about revelations in my own NDE and she asked to include my testimony in a book she was working on at the time. I have had many proposals from authors to include my testimony in the past but have turned them down because I didn't feel it served a purpose in tune with my own story. This one felt right. All my experiences are tied into insights of reincarnation.
She sent me an email with the three paragraphs she edit down to include in her publication. The book is scheduled to be released in January of 2011. The title is "Near Death Experience: The Rest of the Story."
I don't touch on the 'reincarnation' issues in my conversation with Atwater. The subject of her research is something she 'termed' future memory. She is the only researcher who has studied this aspect from testimony of other 'near death experiencers' and this theme touches on a connected theme to reincarnation. (See: Wikipedia )
Thought I would share the news here with the members of the board.
DK
She sent me an email with the three paragraphs she edit down to include in her publication. The book is scheduled to be released in January of 2011. The title is "Near Death Experience: The Rest of the Story."
I don't touch on the 'reincarnation' issues in my conversation with Atwater. The subject of her research is something she 'termed' future memory. She is the only researcher who has studied this aspect from testimony of other 'near death experiencers' and this theme touches on a connected theme to reincarnation. (See: Wikipedia )
Thought I would share the news here with the members of the board.
DK
Hi DK....Congratulations....that is quite an honor.
You must be very excited...or at least, I would be.
I have a question you may be able to answer. I spoke of and described this experience in the past and no one could seem to tell me what happened or where I went...
I was in meditation and felt a great vibration going up and down my body. I felt like the "I" of me was up in the top if my head....like a pulse going up and down. "I" finally went out of my head and as I felt myself go I mentally said Neptune.
I found myself floating in a fog that was swirling around me in beautiful shades of blue and greens. It was a secret but I knew it was trying to relax me. It was as though I was swimming in this beautiful mist...after a while I said Saturn and was immediately transported out into space and was looking at a planet that was stark and still with jagged mountains of brown and yellows....nothing stirred....it was completely silent I thought. One by one I called out the planets and the Moon. The Moon was like a puffy swollen ball of white and gray. Both Neptune and the Moon were very aware of me. Twice I called out to Venus but nothing happened. Slowly I came back to awareness and realized I was sitting on my couch. I had no senation of coming back in my body. I saw no tunnels or spirits....My question is "Where in the heck did I go?"
I was into Astrology at the time and realized later that each planet that I saw was an actual description of itself. Jupiter was not a planet....it showed me a very fat man floating out in space upside down. He was laughing and getting very much larger as I watched....
Tis a mystery......Was I out of body or was I somewhere in my own mind??
I hope you can answer.....I tried but could never go there again. I was so surprised to leave my body I didn't ask to go to a better destination....sigh.....Next time I would ask to visit Jesus and see where I would end up
You must be very excited...or at least, I would be.
I have a question you may be able to answer. I spoke of and described this experience in the past and no one could seem to tell me what happened or where I went...
I was in meditation and felt a great vibration going up and down my body. I felt like the "I" of me was up in the top if my head....like a pulse going up and down. "I" finally went out of my head and as I felt myself go I mentally said Neptune.
I found myself floating in a fog that was swirling around me in beautiful shades of blue and greens. It was a secret but I knew it was trying to relax me. It was as though I was swimming in this beautiful mist...after a while I said Saturn and was immediately transported out into space and was looking at a planet that was stark and still with jagged mountains of brown and yellows....nothing stirred....it was completely silent I thought. One by one I called out the planets and the Moon. The Moon was like a puffy swollen ball of white and gray. Both Neptune and the Moon were very aware of me. Twice I called out to Venus but nothing happened. Slowly I came back to awareness and realized I was sitting on my couch. I had no senation of coming back in my body. I saw no tunnels or spirits....My question is "Where in the heck did I go?"
I was into Astrology at the time and realized later that each planet that I saw was an actual description of itself. Jupiter was not a planet....it showed me a very fat man floating out in space upside down. He was laughing and getting very much larger as I watched....
Tis a mystery......Was I out of body or was I somewhere in my own mind??
I hope you can answer.....I tried but could never go there again. I was so surprised to leave my body I didn't ask to go to a better destination....sigh.....Next time I would ask to visit Jesus and see where I would end up
dking777
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Thank you Florence.
Prior to getting to your questions, let me point you to two various metaphors I relate to in my own 'out of body' experience with a loss of vital signs.
Hologram. There is a free ebook title "From the Stars." Type in hologram in the search and it will take you to page 39. Read the metaphor about the simple explanation of what a hologram is and see how that relates to where Jesus reference a scripture that says, "Ye are gods."
Collective Unconscious. Dr. Carl Jung came up with a great theoretical equation in building a bridge between the conscious and the unconscious.
When I was 26, I was trying to define the difference between the 'conscious' ego point of view and identity and the 'unconscious' spiritual point of view and identity. I told a friend that my human mind just had a reflection like a mirror of what my spirit took part in outside my human body and human point of view. There was a point when my spirit got into that 'hologram' point of view and looked back on the planet earth. In that 'god module' point of view - it had sight off all six billion people on the planet earth and knew every single living, breathing thing. People, plants, animals - everything. The entire history of - leading up to that point in time. It was a 'mystery' defined by incomprehensible to the human mind. It was beyond scope of any microscope in human form. I had another 'out of body' experience during a flat-line moment and 10 witnesses saw it. They wanted to know where I went and what I encountered. I told them,
"You can go there yourself. You don't need to die to do it. You can do it in your sleep at night or in meditation. Strap your seat belts in because it will blow your mind."
Out of the 10 people - I believe seven people came back to me and told me about their own 'out of body' experiences and confirmed - it blew their 'egoic' point of view away.
I called it 'day dreaming out side of my head.' I knew it wasn't really real because I wasn't fully merged back into the light. As an example. I could (as a spirit) take a trip to Disneyland theme park in California and be there invisible as a spirit. If I didn't like what I was experiencing (because I couldn't participate in that physical reality) I could create my own theme park and make myself the star attraction and have all the people and the 'cartoon' characters treat me like a star. My physical body would be laying in a bed with a 'flat-line' but my spirit would be outside still utilizing imagination and using the illusion of this realm to create my own reality.
If I wanted to create my own 'North Pole' - I could create a Santa Clause who showered me with every imaginable gift and toy a child could want.
Once my spirit merged back into the light or - stepped to the edge of this realm of reality - and the 'realm of truth' - my spirit would be able to tell that what I had created prior to that moment was a part of my own spiritual imagination working in combo with my mental imagination. Of course - my family could never tell when I was actually referencing something that was a 'spiritual reality' or 'imaginary' and they lumped all of it together as a product of a child's over active imagination.
From your description, I feel you had a profound meditative moment and probably did temporarily slip past the normal 'egoic' point of view. As far as the reality of what you experienced - it was real to you and served a purpose for your own study of the metaphysical subject of astrology. No one can take away from the reality that experience holds for you. What purpose that 'moment' had for you in mind - is something only you can answer.
My humble take on it - anyway.
DK
Prior to getting to your questions, let me point you to two various metaphors I relate to in my own 'out of body' experience with a loss of vital signs.
Hologram. There is a free ebook title "From the Stars." Type in hologram in the search and it will take you to page 39. Read the metaphor about the simple explanation of what a hologram is and see how that relates to where Jesus reference a scripture that says, "Ye are gods."
Collective Unconscious. Dr. Carl Jung came up with a great theoretical equation in building a bridge between the conscious and the unconscious.
When I was 26, I was trying to define the difference between the 'conscious' ego point of view and identity and the 'unconscious' spiritual point of view and identity. I told a friend that my human mind just had a reflection like a mirror of what my spirit took part in outside my human body and human point of view. There was a point when my spirit got into that 'hologram' point of view and looked back on the planet earth. In that 'god module' point of view - it had sight off all six billion people on the planet earth and knew every single living, breathing thing. People, plants, animals - everything. The entire history of - leading up to that point in time. It was a 'mystery' defined by incomprehensible to the human mind. It was beyond scope of any microscope in human form. I had another 'out of body' experience during a flat-line moment and 10 witnesses saw it. They wanted to know where I went and what I encountered. I told them,
"You can go there yourself. You don't need to die to do it. You can do it in your sleep at night or in meditation. Strap your seat belts in because it will blow your mind."
Out of the 10 people - I believe seven people came back to me and told me about their own 'out of body' experiences and confirmed - it blew their 'egoic' point of view away.
Many people describe the departure point in various ways. One of the most common is 'the top of the head.' Coming back feels like being pouring into a 'funnel through the top of the head. Like a liquid that comes back into solid matter again.Florence said:
When I had my childhood NDE's - I had so many of them due to loss of vital signs. So - it became common place to me. I have spoken with many NDE'ers directly. They don't like to hear this. As a child - it was just something I understood. When your still connected to the 'silver cord' - there is a mental process still going on. There is a possibility of creating an 'illusion' and in that illusion - it is sort of a product of mental imagination. It will seem as real as real can be - but it is just a powerful 'mind trip.'
I called it 'day dreaming out side of my head.' I knew it wasn't really real because I wasn't fully merged back into the light. As an example. I could (as a spirit) take a trip to Disneyland theme park in California and be there invisible as a spirit. If I didn't like what I was experiencing (because I couldn't participate in that physical reality) I could create my own theme park and make myself the star attraction and have all the people and the 'cartoon' characters treat me like a star. My physical body would be laying in a bed with a 'flat-line' but my spirit would be outside still utilizing imagination and using the illusion of this realm to create my own reality.
If I wanted to create my own 'North Pole' - I could create a Santa Clause who showered me with every imaginable gift and toy a child could want.
Once my spirit merged back into the light or - stepped to the edge of this realm of reality - and the 'realm of truth' - my spirit would be able to tell that what I had created prior to that moment was a part of my own spiritual imagination working in combo with my mental imagination. Of course - my family could never tell when I was actually referencing something that was a 'spiritual reality' or 'imaginary' and they lumped all of it together as a product of a child's over active imagination.
From your description, I feel you had a profound meditative moment and probably did temporarily slip past the normal 'egoic' point of view. As far as the reality of what you experienced - it was real to you and served a purpose for your own study of the metaphysical subject of astrology. No one can take away from the reality that experience holds for you. What purpose that 'moment' had for you in mind - is something only you can answer.
My humble take on it - anyway.
DK
Thank you so much....your a real sweetheart.. I had this experience about 15 years ago and never forgot about it...I truly believe your explanation is right on the money. It very much makes sense to me, although I never could understand why I could not go to or see Venus.....strange....it's a very simple planet It was a truly fascinating experience. I guess I should be very grateful that I had that experience as I am a very grounded person and find it difficult to just "go for it"
While I do envy your knowledge I don't envy the path your life took to give you this knowledge. You had to be quite a frightened little boy and a frightened and confused teen with no one to talk to who could explain or understand what you were going through. My heart goes out to you and I hope from here on out your life is "all roses"
While I do envy your knowledge I don't envy the path your life took to give you this knowledge. You had to be quite a frightened little boy and a frightened and confused teen with no one to talk to who could explain or understand what you were going through. My heart goes out to you and I hope from here on out your life is "all roses"
dking777
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Thank you for your kind words. I actually had a great support system through my childhood and teen years. I had family members who supported me and during my teen years - I had mentors. One thing I never was as a child or a teen - was frightened. I walked with no fear after all I had been through. In Junior High - I stood up to the entire football squad in a showdown on the school yard - and won. I changed Junior Highs and at the new school - I stood up to 7 bullies and won. I never had to throw a punch. I had insights to how people used intimidation and fear as a control factor over other people. I could not be intimidated and this usually intimidated people. hahahaha.Florence said:
I always had the Spirits of Creation to turn to.
After I turned 18 and had the 'memory loss' and was starting over - my new friends said I was different and I tried to narrow that down to a small equation.
I had no fear of the unknown of life - or the 'unknown of death.' My young friends were all caught up in that battle and were afraid of death as well as the uncertain of their future life here on this rock we call home. To me, death was nothing but a door you passed through on the way out of this world.
That is one of the benefits I feel the testimony of people who have had NDE's serves with others. I feel it helps ease those intimidating 'theories' in society that put so many minds into a state of dread concerning the afterlife issues. As Gary proposes - if anyone has insight to the afterlife - it is the ones who have been there, done that and came back.
I pointed out that studies have been done in two different countries about the percentage of NDE'ers who change their tune and come to believe in reincarnation is 80% while the rest of the population is 25%. (In western cultures.)
I feel very excited that the science of psychology is taking a very serious interest in the testimony of those who have flat-lined and come back with knowledge of our consciousness surviving physical death.
I grew up with a famous saying. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. I feel that is very true in all things pertaining to our lives here. Fear of any kind leads to irrational thinking and behavior. I feel human fear often taints many of the ideological theories pertaining to the mysteries of our spiritual creation. (Including reincarnation.) Dealing with that fear is all a part of the game of life we play here in this world.
Thanks for your genuine concern, expressed empathy and well wishes.
DK
dking777
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To tie this into reincarnation - it was insights to reincarnation that gave me the edge in the showdown. I knew how karma worked. In this case - it wasn't so much past or future lives as much as this life.dking777 said:
They guys on the team had done a girl wrong. Locker room talk had spread to the hallways and young girl and classmate was walking through the halls of our school crying her eyes out because everyone was starting to shun due to her 'ruined reputation.' I didn't care if the rumors were true or untrue. If they 'tricked' a girl into that sort of thing - they were liars because they broke her heart. No girl would have done such things with other guys unless they promised her something. I didn't think they promised to ruin her reputation. So one way or the other - I had the high moral ground.
When I called the entire football team out to the playground and told them to line up one by one - because I was about to teach them a valuable lesson - it was more for the sake of their own future. I was the oldest in my family - so I knew that kids act stupid with themselves and if they got away with it once - they were going to do it again. I felt I had a responsiblty to make my point to them.
They had no right to hurt that girl and get away with it.
I called them out - and the whole school started backing me up.
I later talked to the guys on the squad and asked them what they thought when I challenged all of them at once to a fight.
They said either I was the craziest guy they had ever met - or the bravest. Either way - they were not going to take a chance and gang up on me - because - I had showed courage that was admirable.
I went around and spoke to all of them individually. I felt it was for their own good and they all agreed. They were all glad that I didn't allow them to get away with it - because all of them agreed that attitude would have followed them like karma and came back on them sooner or later. All agreed it was better that it was sooner than later.
Due to my NDE's and insights to reincarnation - I knew that our spirits would be reunited in the afterlife and if their spirits looked back on that incident and found out I had knowledge of 'right and wrong' and didn't share it with them in some way - then I would be the one with 'regrets' on the other side.
To me - getting my behind whipped by an entire squad of Junior High football players - would have been easier to carry the burden of in this world - than to have to get to the other side and carry the burden of regret for not stepping up to the bat and helping teach the squad 'right' from 'wrong.'
It was my insights to reincarnation from my childhood NDE's that gave me that ounce of courage to stand up to them. (Or maybe it was my own fear of those regrets in the afterlife if I didn't stand up to them.)
After that incident - I was known on the campuses of two Junior High's, a High School and a College. I never had a reputation of being a 'frightened' teenager. Concerned about matters - maybe - but never frightened. But it was insights to reincarnation and how it worked that gave me that slight edge in the political structure of my school days.
DK
Here is another question for you. In all of your wanderings in and out of the astral, have you ever regressed back into your own past lives to understand what brought on this unusual life.? What the purpose of your illness was that would cause such reactions. It's a hard way to learn.... Were you involved in religious life in the past?
You are the only person that I have ever heard of who has had such an experience. Karma brings balance and also can cause learning....Have you figured it all out yet? To me....you sound very balanced and you sure have learned more in this lifetime than some of us have in a dozen.
You are the only person that I have ever heard of who has had such an experience. Karma brings balance and also can cause learning....Have you figured it all out yet? To me....you sound very balanced and you sure have learned more in this lifetime than some of us have in a dozen.
dking777
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Yes. I walked with full sight of various past lives when I was a child. I was never without access to them in a conscious manner. When I turned 18, those direct insights of one particular and 'very mystic' past life was brought to my attention through an indirect manner. I used to tell people that in a past life - I was a very-very "High Priest." The highest of high is the words I used to use. It is traced back to a very higher order and not in the 'worldly' sense of a religious organization as much as very 'mystical order' pertaining to the 'hidden mysteries.'Florence said:
This is one of the 'theories' I am opposed to. It was first suggested to me as a child from worldly adult minds. They felt I was being punished for past life activities. This is an 'untruth' and misconception. Suffer - in the Latin context means to to bear, undergo, endure, carry or put under. The 'put under' part is the balance required. The saying goes - no pain - no gain. The minute a baby is born - it cries due to the suffering of the physical body. Pain becomes a teacher to us. We learn that a loving hand from a Mother will nurture our inner basic need for love. Hunger pains hit the stomach of a new born - and once again - it learns to balance that pain with the proper nutrition. The world gives us pain and God gives us the love to counteract that for a balance.
When I was a child - I tried to tell my parents and family that the 'sore' had followed me from my old body. My family eventually got the jest of what I was trying to tell them after many 'hits and misses' with my childish tongue. In ancient times, I was more like what would looked at as a Gnostic Priest. I defied the established authority of State and Church rule, was branded a heretic, condemned, persecuted, tortured and then executed. In the ancient mind of understanding - there was a knowledge of what reincarnation is and how certain rules apply. In a past life - I willing gave my life for a cause to serve truth. The execution wasn't a normal shot through the head or hanging from a noose. It was done in a way to lead to a painful suffering that lead to internal injuries. In the case of the past life - it was a cardiac rupture that led to respiratory damage and ultimate failure. In this life time - the Doctors and my family was puzzled because they are blind to the spiritual laws and how they apply. As much as I told my Mom - she got the jest of it. She felt the State and Church would do the same to me again if they found me talking the way I spoke as a child - because I picked up exactly where I left off in the past life as far as 'spiritual truth' was concerned. (I was talking about reincarnation as if it was the thing to do. Wasn't too cool in the 60's. My family was looking over their shoulder for the KKK.)
So the idea that my injuries in this life time is punishment from a past life for lessons unlearned - is not accurate. My current body and mind picked up where the soul left off in that past life. Of course - my young child's mind didn't always understand it - but - my soul brought along the same angels that ministered to my former body and mind in the past life.
Some would deny it as circumstantial or accidental happenings, but according to the info passed onto my human mind - it was all planned many years ago - while the soul was in another body prior to this incarnation.
Hope that makes sense. But yes - I have uncovered the mysterious connection between a former life and this life. It has taken my years to connect the dots - and I didn't fully comprehend it as a child.
DK
dking777
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I recently found a NDE experience that was reported in "The New York Times" back in 1890. His name was Dr. George de Benneville. He was a prominent figure in the early movement of the Universalist Church of America.
The reason I mention all this - is because when I read the opinions of some believers in 'reincarnation' - there seems to be the same carry over theme of 'karma and punishment.' It is almost as if 'hell' doesn't get you - your souls next life will. :butbut:
He was persecuted for his beliefs after his NDE. Religious authorities in several nations were disturbed by evangelists such as de Benneville, and he was sentenced to death more than once.
In 1980, my NDE did get the attention of political leadership. When I told them about my 'visit' to the afterlife and told them the concept of 'hell' that world promotes - doesn't exist - they told me about Unitarian beliefs and mentioned De Benniville.
Hell, as I was told by some Church and State officials was a social deterrent to keep order in society. They felt they needed a 'bogyman' concept. Sort of like when we are children and told to watch out for the bogyman - to keep us safe. The authority of Church and State felt like they were in a parental position and needed to 'scare the kids straight.'
The reason I mention all this - is because when I read the opinions of some believers in 'reincarnation' - there seems to be the same carry over theme of 'karma and punishment.' It is almost as if 'hell' doesn't get you - your souls next life will. :butbut:
DK
Nightrain
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Great research, Dking!
What strikes me as utterly remarkable is the consistency with which experiencers express their new knowledge before they've had a chance to compare notes. I know of no other philosophy or belief system that has as much of the same exact information. That, in itself, should be telling.
What strikes me as utterly remarkable is the consistency with which experiencers express their new knowledge before they've had a chance to compare notes. I know of no other philosophy or belief system that has as much of the same exact information. That, in itself, should be telling.
dking777
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I am thrilled to find someone who wrote about a detailed account of his experience prior to the 'explosion' of interest took place in the late 1990's. I have been studying other accounts and comparing my own notes and I feel that 'we' as a group do tend to 'water down' the experience when going public to conform with 'societies' norms. As in this case. 89% of hard core fundamentalists - are against the idea of the 'concept of hell' being abolished. Same thing with 'reincarnation.' Only 20% of the populace have a belief in it so - they are not going to accept the idea of 'testimony' in a book format or written expression when it goes against 'societal norms.' There is a 'need' to conform a written expression to 'go with the flow' of the large percentage of beliefs - in an effort to get a 'small message' across.Nightrain1 said:
I was recently going back over my testimony from my childhood days - and early adult hood. I found a word that applies to what I was trying to give testimony of - and - it is an expression that is found in all religions. Altruism
When I was young, I called it the 'We' concept instead of the "Me" concept.
I feel that if you boil down all the modern testimony of the NDE community and get at the heart of their expression - your going to find a message that is as old as religion itself.
DK
dking777
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My latest personal research is taking me on a path to look closely at the various religions. (I was never raised with a religion and have never followed after any set faith. So it is all new to me.)Nightrain1 said:
I am surprised to find so many 'tell-tale' signs in all the religions that have some sort of testimony similar to what the NDE'ers are defining and describing with a new and modern language. Here is an example:
When I had my NDE in 1978 - I spent years talking to proffesors or leaders of various faiths. When I described my NDE to a follower of Islam - he asked if I was Muslim. In my personal study of the their beliefs on what happens at 'death' - I feel it falls into the same 'parable' as what the NDE defines.
I am not a Muslim and don't know how to read their language. But I spoke with several Muslims after my NDE and they said was I described and defined was a part of their teachings concerning 'death' and the 'afterlife.' The part were they sort of lose the similarity is 'the soul sleep' process. They believe the 'soul' goes to sleep in the physical body until Judgement Day.
When I read it - I also have the 'spiritual testimony' (ADC's) of five friends who didn't come back to the physical body and they provided details that are similar. The 'spirit' doesn't go to sleep in the physical grave - as much as the 'former human identity' is put to rest in the 'spiritual soul.' (The 'ego' dies or comes to an end. It is not annihilation as much as something that comes to a stop.) It goes into a sort of 'slumber' as a 'forgotten memory' of the oversoul.
The problem is - and has always been - when you put 'spiritual truth' into the hands and minds of the unenlightened, it gets destroyed by 'ignorance.' (Politics, theories and majority opinion became a truth everyone lives by in a human mindset.)
So - I do see why the 'teachings of reincarnation' has become sort of a 'closely' guarded secret from the populace. For me, I am trying to comprehend why more NDE's are not giving testimony of this 'spiritual aspect' of creation - other than through several polls that express a sharp and dramatic increase in the belief of reincarnation among NDE'ers.
Also, one of the many mystical visions shown to me was of a man (whose name was in foreign tongue) that was dunked into a river - and during the dunking - had an 'out of body' experience similar to a near death loss of vital signs. His spirit merged into the light and was taken on a tour. I knew the name of the man as "Issha." I have since found that the Aramaic spelling of "Yeshua" has been turned into Jesus. When I described the vision to others - they all said it sounded like I was describing the story of Jesus and the river Jordan. I told them,
"If it was - then he died in that river and his spirit was taken on a trip through the light just I was during my car crash."
So - it is something to ponder that the two largest religions in the world - were based on two individual 'near death experiences.' For me - when I read the verses associated with the teachings - I can see the similar pattern of what the 'insight' is trying to imply from the "Light Realm" of the omniscience mind of creation.
Food for thought any way. No telling what Muhammad and Jesus would have to say about their 'mystical trips' (or near death experiences) if they were alive and well and walking in the world of man today.
DK