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Hi, I don't know...it is comforting to think we have all been designed like roles in a play how to act and what to do....that takes away the personal responsibility. the thoughts of if I had done it this way, if I had said that, if only...then again we have free will...so I don't know how to answer that question.

I understand if we keep coming back to try to fix our relationships as it must be the hardest, most challenging things to do with some and will be the thing that pushes us forward in our growth.

/Jaimie
 
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Hi !

Could anyone please help me find the proper word for the occupation of a man working with lifting, carrying wood boxes and so on from ground on to the boats ? Years most likely 1921, 1922.

There is something there I wish to search on to see if my memory (or strong imagination, wish believe) is true of what happened to this man. It should be in the papers as him either went missing, hurt, killed, drown. Don't have his name, so I need to look for his profession name instead.

The man who had this occupation had very strong arms (to the point that it looked unreal). I think it was because of all the lifting, carrying. He was tall and strong built by my past life eyes looking at him. So big fellow.

I don't know why but I doubt he was a sailor.

Some distance to where the boats, ships were parked was gray looking wood simple houses. I don't know if that would help (or if even true).

Any help of this would be so appreciated :)

The scene is this, please keep in mind I do not know if this was my past life self's strong imagination or calculation but that it never came true: She had earlier been raped in an isolated room where her husband previously played card game to get money for a child in the family's medical need. The child had gotten so sick that the family was in panic on how to help him. So I think this was why the husband took to drastic decisions to go in there and get some money. As he does not return fast enough she/I went out to look for him and go to this place. My hope was that my husband was still in the room. The big-arm-guy was first nice to show me the room. I had a little voice inside me that warned me not go in there, but being stressed out and hoping to see "my man" I stepped in. The room was empty. There was a table there. I realized too late that the big-arm-guy had it in for "my man", thinking that raping me was "pay-back". She did not stand a chance. Afterwards as she got home all attention was still on the child, a form of bewilderment and now they had been worried about her as well, being out, but he had gotten the money . I recall I had made a decision not to tell "my man" of the rape, knowing we would then be way over our heads. I was afraid he would get hurt or killed. I loved him to bits...

Then I would have scene where I could see that I stood afar watching the big-arm-guy at work, lifting those boxes and so on, with his back against me, not knowing I was watching him.

I have gotten kind of used to getting that scene replayed -- her standing by a gray wooden small house's wall, outside, watching him.

Then the scene suddenly shift. This is when I don't know if she only imagined this or if it could have happened. She wants fog. So now there is fog. I can't say what time of the day or if it is in the evening. I just see this fog. She has on her rubber boots (when I had this I thought no, rubber boots did not exist in 1920, but when I checked it - they did). Her rubber boots look like they belong to a man. She has grayish coat on her, quite neutral.

I don't know if what is being packed is 100% legal on and off the boats. But he is there, at the shore.

Then I see them in the water. She needs him under the water, completely as I think she thinks they are then more equally met on physical terms -- as he was very big and strong and she was the opposite.

The rubber boots fall off her, like she has thought they would do. I see them slip off her in the water.

There is blood. I know more details than that but it is just gruesome so I won't write about it. Then she opens her hand and what ever she has hold in her hand she let go. They are both down under the water.

I think she was used to swimming. Because I get that so much with her, different scenes. She has a way of holding her breath under the water that I am not use to. She lets little out. She can hold her breath for long. Like a technique I can't master.


/Jaimie
 
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Hi !

What I am about to ask here could be seen as kinda gross. It's not gross to me, but that could be because I've seen dead bodies during my life, but only soon after death.

My 8 year old daughter had this nightmare recently that shook me. It still feels unreal. She actually described the hurt/injuries of who I think was my past life self, Sadie (died 1922 of drowning) was looking like after her body was found (Sadie's left side of the head and face was bruised. the left eye badly disfigured), my daughter could not understand how the woman's left side could look like that, especially around the eye area. She said "What happened to her ?".

It was an escape hole for me to dare to ask neutral questions because my daughter did not seem to know it was past life related, so it was then just a nightmare we talked about, and she was hooked on this woman (Sadie ?), despite of so many others being in the nightmare too. In the nightmare she was busy trying to get the woman's attention and getting her away from "the dangerous water" that she thought the woman sat too close to.

So I asked questions of what this lady looked like. She drew what she looked like. To my daughter that made her "look like a boat-man" with "a long tie". We began to search on the internet. She remembered in surprising detail what seemed to have been a Victorian bathing suit. So we found something like that (Big thanks to Li-La, by the way, for getting me to move from the 1920's bathing suit fashion to earlier times to locate those types of bathing suits).

My daughter described that the woman's hair had gone thin and blond, and "slicked back"+ on the sides "like a breakfast bun". (Sadie did not have in my memories thin or blond hair...), but adding that it was not real. I asked her how did she know that. She answered "One can tell". She said her face "looked so pale, so pale, I've never seen anyone so white", that her eyes were nearly closed, but not quite. She showed me with her own eyes what it looked like but said it was especially one eye (the right one). That later when she touched the woman's hand it broke (!). That was when my daughter woke up, very effected by it. It was in the early morning. Mostly when I have had parts of past life memories, feelings in dreams it has too been in the early mornings.

So that was the (long, sorry about that) background story. Now to my question:

Can a dead body's hair color and quality of it change in this circumstance/the water doing it ?

When I have done meditation long, long ago I saw this woman with long hair deep down in the water. She was not floating. I saw eels around her. This was a regression meditation my friend did on me. This was like the only scene I got so I had no idea in what time etc this was. It felt so real, til this day I can't stand the sight of an eel. I don't know if they were electric, though, and if they were; could they have effected a hair color ? (perhaps too far fetched, I don't know...). I don't even know if my vision was Sadie. I can only say that the woman I saw then had extremely long hair and was kinda thin. Sadie was kinda thin too. I have read just now that the less body fat a dead body has in water the more likely it is to sink instead of float (Link for those who can well, stomach it, I suppose: https://www.quora.com/What-happens-to-your-body-when-you-drown)

In my memories of Sadie her hair color changes and I suspect she is doing all kinds of things to it. One time it was black. Another bleached (?) to light brown on the first layers (also straight but underneath darker and more curly). She had thick hair. I have memories of her waking up and turning around. Her husband, sleeping on his back and his arm stretched, his hand close to her scalp. In my memories once before it would get warm and itchy on her scalp and he would scratch her before they went to sleep.

I am so sorry if I gross someone out here. I hope I have not gone too far. I am only trying to find out if what my daughter described could have actually happened to Sadie's appearance.

It was Sadie's husband that identify her body, so I can imagine they had prepared her body when he came.

I have not exposed my daughter to long time ago bathing suits fashion. She thought it was a dress. I have not told her anything about Sadie.

If anyone could please answer my question it would be so much appreciated.

Thank you for reading all this :)

/Jaimie
 
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Hi ! Me again...I'm gonna keep this short (unlike above expanded question...). If I take away the possibility that Sadie had bleached her hair (her very thick hair I might add, and being secretively mix raced) to the extent that she became a blond, there is another possibility.

I found info from this page http://lydzcrowningglory.blogspot.com/2014/10/lake-water-bleaching.html that when the pH value is very high it will bleach the hair.

So perhaps this was why the hair had gone blond in my daughter's "memory" ?/nightmare considering how long Sadie's body had been in the river before discovery ?

/Jaimie
 
I decided to check out the history of the Schulkill river (where Sadie's body was found) to see if I could figure out if the pH value in 1922 was unusually high enough to bleach the hair.

I found the report "A river again: The story of the Schulkill river Project by Chari Towne".

On page 14 it is explained that already by 1885 the river was so polluted that "no fish could exist in it, nor can human beings drink it" (instead it was arranged so people could drink from the Delaware river instead). It also stated that "the river's problems were only going to get worse as a new century dawned".
It was the coal industry that was to blame for dumping piles into the river. It was even called "the country's dirtiest river."

From 1947 to 1951 there was a river clean up set up.

If it was Sadie's body I saw with the eels around I began to search on eels in the Schulkill river and found photographs of the kind I saw (as I remember it clearly from my meditation, too real, actually if even so many years has passed since I had that vision).
 
I have never lived in the US and have gone to a public school in my country. But in my memories of Sadie I am somewhat confused if she went to a school for girls or for both girls and boys, the years most likely somewhere between 1913-1915, in the US.
Anyone who perhaps has gone to a catholic school in the US that knows what this is ?

I think I have found the future husband's true identity and his name was William and he was from a roman catholic Irish and German background.

I have found few catholic schools, one of them seems only to be for boys in Pennsylvania.

If my past life self went to a school for girls, catholic, perhaps, could they still meet, have certain subjects, areas in common ? How did it work ? Do anyone know ?

Below are the "memories":

  • she goes in a class with just girls in her teenage years, math class.

  • she is in a hallway where her future husband with his friends of guys and one girl is, to me this too look like a school building of some kind with huge doors and much space.

  • she sit with him on a bench and he wish to kiss her and he does not care that others from the school sees it, from the look of this vision she is aware that opposite the street a building is there (a school, I presume?). Think she is afraid for her reputation and she is a shy girl, and I think she has been taught not to show physical signs of tenderness in public. He does not care and tell her "Let them".

  • she sits in what I presume is a library where there is a lady who works there further back. I could see the details of the windows and the books of shells. She pretends she is reading her book (focusing on her studies, I presume ?) while her future husband is up among the shell of books and stare at her, there are little explosions in his eyes. Suddenly he leans opposite her desk and grabs the book she is holding on to. She tries to hold on to it, but then let go. She feels sad and frighten, and hurt, like hurt pride. She gets up and leave. She thinks he is a bully. He still stand there holding her book, breath fast.

  • she goes to see him when he is dressed as if he has played american football

  • he wish to take her to a dance, prom or prom like, but she does not wanna go and they end up fighting about it. he seem to think all she needs is a dress and that she does not need to make it so darn complicated. "You have a dress, don't you" he says, and also offers to get one for her or have someone arrange a dress for her.

  • there is some form of preparation of the girls at some "audition" that I can't quite figure out what it is, but it is not for her, something again about beautiful dresses and representing something, I don't get it, it is only a feeling, as if the families are behind this ?
  • at school she feels different from the other girls, as if she has a different background, and she is alone. At one point I said scholarship during meditation.


/Jaimie
 
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Hi Jaimie,

Here's a short quote on the subject from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-sex_education#United_States:

Until the 19th century, single-sex education was the norm in the US, although this varied by region. In New England there was more mixed-sex education than in the South, and girls in New England had more access to education in general. With the generalization of elementary education in the 19th century, mixed-sex education started to spread rapidly. According to Cornelius Riordan, "By the end of the nineteenth century, coeducation was all but universal in American elementary and secondary public schools (see Kolesnick, 1969; Bureau of Education, 1883; Butler, 1910; Riordan, 1990). However, higher education was usually single-sex, and men's colleges and women's colleges were common well into the 20th century. A form of education strongly associated with sex-segregation is that of Catholic schools, although many Catholic schools today are coeducational. The idea of educating students differently by sex, formally or informally, was common until the 1970s. (My emphasis).

As you will note, single sex education remained common in Catholic Schools for quite a long time, so I don't doubt that this would have been the case during the period in question. However, it should be noted that single sex education does not necessarily require separate school buildings. I'm sure a lot of Catholic dioceses could not afford two separate High School Campuses for their children. In such cases, one must make due with one school campus with girls and boys educated in separate class rooms and shared common areas such as libraries, etc. I would have to research to confirm this, but it just seems like simple logic to me.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi Jaimie,

Here's a short quote on the subject from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-sex_education#United_States:

Until the 19th century, single-sex education was the norm in the US, although this varied by region. In New England there was more mixed-sex education than in the South, and girls in New England had more access to education in general. With the generalization of elementary education in the 19th century, mixed-sex education started to spread rapidly. According to Cornelius Riordan, "By the end of the nineteenth century, coeducation was all but universal in American elementary and secondary public schools (see Kolesnick, 1969; Bureau of Education, 1883; Butler, 1910; Riordan, 1990). However, higher education was usually single-sex, and men's colleges and women's colleges were common well into the 20th century. A form of education strongly associated with sex-segregation is that of Catholic schools, although many Catholic schools today are coeducational. The idea of educating students differently by sex, formally or informally, was common until the 1970s. (My emphasis).

As you will note, single sex education remained common in Catholic Schools for quite a long time, so I don't doubt that this would have been the case during the period in question. However, it should be noted that single sex education does not necessarily require separate school buildings. I'm sure a lot of Catholic dioceses could not afford two separate High School Campuses for their children. In such cases, one must make due with one school campus with girls and boys educated in separate class rooms and shared common areas such as libraries, etc. I would have to research to confirm this, but it just seems like simple logic to me.

Cordially,
S&S
Hi SeaAndSky !

How good of you to reply :)

What you describe how it could have been sounds logic to me too.

My daughter, 8, has recently begun to have nightmares with detailed information that fit into her having seen Sadie dead etc, she got it all right to the bruises on Sadie's left side of the face, especially the eye. In the middle of her description, she said that the first time she (I mean he ?) had seen her was when she (Sadie) was 14. She said that as if it was the most natural in the word to say. (when I asked her oh, it is someone you know ? she said no. I said on television perhaps, a movie ? Somewhere else ? she said no. But she does not want to say where she knows the woman from, if she even knows. It is like something come over her, temporarily).

Because I was not sure, entirely (although I felt a shill down my spine with her other descriptions that fit into Sadie's profile) I had asked her a lot of neutral questions. I asked her what kind of face structure did the woman in the nightmare have, she replied at once "like a melon", "Oh, round" I said (thinking of water melon, that to me is definitely round), she said "No...No. Long" and painted in the air what she meant by very long. (Sadie had long face). She looked at me like don't you know long melons ? Thing is my daughter has never before shown an interest in melons, she don't eat water melons. We don't buy them, if we have ever had them they are round, they are round in the store etc. I had to google "long melon" to even see if that is a thing, and sure enough long melons came up. And now I feel foolish for not thinking that melons could, of course, be long too...

Because she was right about all the other things I thought perhaps she was right with her claim when she said the first time she, well, he saw her (Sadie) was when she (Sadie) was 14.

I just check the internet again to find out what age one is in when starting high school in the US. Age 14 came up. (Sadie was born 1896 so then it was the year 1910, sorry I wrote different years before 1913-1915).

I have a loose theory that because William had a criminal record that his family settled for him to go to a school that may not have been their first choice for him, considering that his family and Sadie's family, addresses, were not close by, in the same area, his was more "posh" ? The times when I feel as if Sadie is "home" is when she is for instance in some park where they had dancing and things were relaxed and she felt pretty enough in her dress, I think then she was in her area. I have always before assumed it was Sadie that had walked into William's world that was more privileged, but now I think perhaps they met in "the middle" ? She had to go somewhere out of her comfort zone, that to her was privileged, and he had to, because of his criminal record, step down on the latter and go to a less privileged school ? But perhaps I am foolish to think there could be such differences to schools back then, I don't know. According to my research all the other girls on Sadie's street had 2 year minus education than what she had and they had to help the family out financially by getting themselves a job, Sadie was the only girl her age to still be in school and never ever get a job...

Thank you so much for the link, the information and the explanation of separate class rooms and shared common areas :)


/Jaimie
 
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Hi,

me again with my questions...

I can't quite get my head around the racial separated America in around 1900-1920's period...

I suspect my past life Sadie had mix raced mother and a white looking father (with dark hair). From my research on the person I have been thinking was my past life self, Sadie, she had no records until age of 5 when then living with her then named uncle all of a sudden with her then named parents and 6 year older named brother. And I don't even know if one can call that much of a record, it was someone taking note on all the family members living in a household on the street where she lived. The unemployed uncle later moved, but Sadie remained in the household. Her 6 year older brother had records unlike her, he had his birthday, and records from when he was baptized. All that order was thrown out of the window when it came to Sadie. Even the last record of her if filled in with guestion marks, her husband does not fill in her birthday, only year she was born and he was someone who filled in everything on other records regarding himself. Sadies named parents had been married many years before her brother was born. Her mother was allegedly 45 years of age when Sadie was born. Her brother was according to military records having black hair and gray looking eyes and was recorded as white. I can't find any info on what Sadie looked like except one and only poor photograph of her in an article from 1922 where one can not even spot her face very well and hair (wearing a hat that shadows parts of her face).

This is only a theory I have that I have nothing to back me up with, so it is more or less a question. Did "white folks" back then "adopt" mix raced children and "made them white" ?

When I have done meditations and become who I think I was, Sadie, it is early childhood memories...but that is not to say Sadie was aware of these memories, I don't know if Sadie forgotten where she came from, or if she remembered it a little and later started asking questions about it ?

I experienced memories of her being in a kitchen with colored older woman who had a blast, and then she was older. I also remember a fight with her husband why she could not let her hair down, loosen up that is, when they were out. The fight escaled into her broken voice when telling him it would not be enough for "them" to see her hanged, but that "they" would come after her father. (Her father being white, having brought her in and having her pass as white in the white world ?).

I can't find any info on the net, but perhaps I am using the wrong words, to see if these type of "adoptions" happened. I can read a lot about a segregated America, about the "blacks" and the "whites", but all of those that must have existed, been, somewhere in the middle, is like a void, a gap.

Given that a so called white person and a black person were not even allowed to be married in America during these times these poor children were born out of wedlock regardless if their parents had wanted to be married or not, which if I understand it right meant social disgrace on both the mother and the child. I wonder how these children were protected.

I hope I am not stepping on anyone's toe here, I am from Europe and we too have grim history, of course, but this kind of segregation is unfamiliar to me.

/Jamie
 
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Hi Jaimie,

I wanted to revisit a couple of your posts I didn't respond to before.

On #26 and some others, you discuss your little girl's attempts to educate you in the use of a knife for self-defense and her interest in your safety and learning how to protect yourself. This is very unusual stuff for any small female to discuss with her mother. Actually, I've never heard of anything of this type before, and it strikes me as being very typical of what your PL husband would be concerned about on your behalf. I think he loved Sadie very much and felt an enduring guilt that he had not protected her and kept her safe. BTW--Li La may have more to tell you on the subject of carrying "switchblades". She was an Italian girl married to an Italian-American soldier after WWII. He was a "man's man" type who boxed as a hobby. Italians have a long history and reputation of being virtuoso knife fighters with the switchblade taking place of the stiletto in the modern era. Even at present there are martial art schools in Italy that teach use and self-defense with the knife. I would find it unusual if he did not carry a knife for self-defense or just casual use opening an envelope or peeling an apple. As you can tell from the Youtube, switchblades used to be fairly common in the U.S., though I think they are now illegal in most places.

On #32, there is an act of violence which you have not discussed. It seems to have been something you planned to get even with the stevedore for what he did to you. I'd really like to know more about this. For one thing, the injuries to Sadie's body don't seem to me to be consistent with a simple drowning while trying to rescue a child or something similar to that. Whose blood was that in the water? Did Sadie attack the Stevedore in the water? Was it him, or Sadie that died there? There is just something that doesn't make sense in the various scenarios related to her death.

On #37, you mention some type of competition or audition with girls dressed up and possibly "representing" something. On that, I have to admit that I have no idea whether this is something that happens in Europe, but Americans (and American females) have traditionally been very much into competitions of the type you are speaking about. This could have been a "beauty" contest (though I doubt that there would have been a swimsuit component at a Catholic High School in that era). It could have been a singing, etc. competition, possibly to represent the school against other schools. It could have been some type of competition to be "Miss --insert name of High School--19_". There have been all kinds of things of that type historically in U.S. schools. Mostly "high status" girls like to compete in those types of things, and Sadie might well have felt wistful, envious, or even intimidated and afraid of the consequences if she became involved in something of that type.

On #40, this sounds a bit like Sadie may have been the illegitimate child of her father and a black or mixed mother, raised for awhile in the black family and then joined to her "white" family (perhaps her black or mixed race mother died). I'd like to hear more about this, as it is hard to pin it down without more memories.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--Feel free to move your response over to your regular thread on this lifetime if you think that is a more appropriate location.
 
Hi SeaAndSky ! :)

I must warn you before that this is gonna be a long post for me. I have to work on getting better with shorten things up. Anyways, my apologies for that. I have to chop it of in 3 pieces...

Yes, thank you for telling me your opinion about my girl's subject on the knife as I too think this is unusual, glad to know I am not the only one.

Yes, about the stevedore...
he would stand alone by the shore to wait for boat. I could not see anyone else around. There was mist, fog, rising from the water. She seemed to me as if she would stand in secret to watch on the side of one of those gray wood kind of houses (that I still wonder if it ever existed).

I would have scenes where when I put it together I understood that Sadie was planning for revenge.

While I would have the scene when she was battling him under the water something strange happened beside from the actual event. The strange thing was that I would hear her think a form of spell or pray spoken in strange tongues. She thought this while struggling with him under water, as if this gave her a sense of power, as if she needed to think this while doing it, perhaps so she would not loose her courage.

Klaud gave me the idea that it could have been a type of creole language. I did not "hear" any french in it, though. But when I started to look into it I read there were different kinds.

I have also thought that perhaps he was not officially, legally a stevedore, but someone working as it, only in an illegal way ?

I can't say if it was only his blood or if hers as well.

Many months ago now I had a scene when William would make her sit in his lap by the kitchen table and ask her "Who hurt you ? Huh ? ... Who hurt you ?". I could see her trying to get away, but he would not let her. I could see her do a thing with her fingers to her head, as if to say "it's just me, I am the crazy one",, but she refused to show vulnerability too, to confess, to talk, and I think they sat there a long time in silence as she stubbornly looked at one of her hand in her lap, not knowing what to say, staring a gaze at them while he was looking in silence at her, resting his chin on the tip of her shoulder closest to him. He felt powerful then, as if she was aware he was, and that he did not believe her.
 
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William may not have understood, and neither her father, that turning a pile of underclothes on the floor on fire like she did earlier the day she went missing had anything to do with black magic, be part of a spell. They could just have thought this was the last straw, and now it was not enough to have her go and see a psychiatrist in town like she had done the last 6 months. God knows what that cost. If so I can understand their fear. What if she would turn the house on blaze during night time when everyone was sleeping ? Could they trust her anymore ? Would they have been forced to send her away, to live in an asylum perhaps ? According to her psychiatrist's statement she had been "...in a highly nervous state and had been very much depressed for some time", "She was worrying about herself almost constantly."

When I look at the documents I have found + the articles (2 of them) Sadie went outside her home on April the 12th. She had been so distressed after her father had stepped and taken out the fire, ablaze, that he chose not to question her about it. About half an hour later she had left home. According to the first death certificate her body was found on April the 19th. If she got into the water on April 12th her body was in the water for 8 days.

In the second article there was expressed a theory that the "joy riders" on boats that was seen by witness on the river meanwhile could have accidentally bumped into her, like bumped her head, caused her to drown.

I have plenty of scenes with her swimming and being in rivers and so on so it is difficult for me to know which time it was that actually was the time she drowned.

In the article they had thought for a while that she could have been a murder victim, but the police let go of this belief, perhaps primarily after having talked to Sadie's psychiatrist and her father. Her husband, though, left no material, no comment, to show he too had thought her behavior was the thoughts and actions of a crazy person. There is no comment to what he thought of it, what so ever.
 
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Yes, about the family situation...When I researched on Sadies family I was surprised by 2 things. She apparently had a 6 year older brother, Walter, and she had a living mother, Mary, married to her father Henry.

I still have no memories of an older brother (or just perhaps, I will explain further down) and I definitely don't have any memories of her mother, at least not the mother that I think Mary looked like, being age 45 when Sadie was born, white, from England.

The only thing I can think could perhaps have been a memory happened over 20 years ago when a then friend of mine tried meditation on me. I began describing the looks of a young man who at the scene was responsible for me it seemed. He was kind to me, but he was suspicious to where I had been. I was cut in two about telling him. I had the feeling that the parents were sick or away, but that someone was resting, but was not to be disturbed. What I described then was the surrounding and the looks of clothes and haircut to have been around the 1910's or so. He was tall, I remember that, but the rest has become a mist. We at the time looked at it as a failed meditation. And my friend wondered why I had to become so emotional as tears began to dwell down my cheeks during this scene. He felt like he could have been an older brother, not a father -- too old for that. I remembered she had to force me out of this scene, where to her nothing happened anyhow except the 2 of us talking. Perhaps after all it was not a failure as we thought. Perhaps this was Walter ? Walter was tall, had black hair and gray eyes, according to his military record. He died during battle, in WW1, 1918. Their mother, Mary, received the tragic news. He was too strangely 26 just like Sadie was when he died. He was not married. Had no children.

When my daughter described the looks of Sadie's dead body, she also said that the first time she saw her Sadie was 14. Because William was older the thought I have now is that perhaps he knew her older brother, that they were friends, somehow. And this was why he smiled at her the way he did in the library, recognizing her ?

When William was 16 he was jailed and at first sentenced to The Mills for 4 (!) years after a crime that I can't even read what it was he did, except that he had bruises and scar and bite mark on his face,body, when they took him in. He was released much sooner, he spent only about 1 year there, and returning to live with his family.

It was as if he never looked back, he did not repeat any more criminal records but always had a job and seemed to have been "walking the line".

I have a loose theory that the reason why Sadie lacks the documents her brother had, she even lacks a birthday, and is first "seen" in any type of record at age 5, then together with her uncle Frank living with them (unemployed), is because she simply was not born there in Phila like they claimed later on she was. That she came there with Frank. Frank later moved out. I could see he lived close by with many others in a form of...well, I don't know what it was. Then when I looked again he had moved out of there too. I have lost track of him in my research.

In my memories of Papa when she was little he could run. He was tall and slim and would lift her. He had a type of "long" head. He had dark hair. I don't know if this was Frank or Franks 2 year younger brother Henry. Henry was the father in the articles and the one living in the house she was seen in records being brought up in (from age 5 ?). I wonder if Frank and Henry looked alike. If Henry was the one who had his leg hurt ( polio ?) and using a stick, or if that was Frank.

About her mother Mary she was suppose to according to some records to also live with them, but when I checked another record she lived somewhere else.

William put question marks on the info they wanted him to give on Sadie's death certificate, but filled in info on her father.

When Henry died his (estranged ?) wife was not the one giving info about him on relative side of the death certificate (beside the doctors). Instead it was another Mrs.

The boy Frank is also to me a mystery.

I think I caught a glimpse of him way before knowing of his existence but as it was one of the scenes where Sadie was sitting down looking out on the sea, and being aware of a small boy playing to her left side, to himself, she was not interacting with him at the time. I remember thinking (this happened I think during meditation) that I had accidentally floated over to another past life, the one most recent to me, as I would do that then too, sitting on the beach with my child playing there, but still I kept feeling as if I was Sadie. I remember her desire to want Williams child or children, and her missing him and being worried. I assumed this was when he was away during WW1. I remember also thinking this was party imagination, that her desire to give William a child was so great that she had now imagined or I had imagined actually seeing one, so I never wrote about it, because I felt foolish about it.

The boy Frank was said to be born in 1913, but his "parents" Sadie and William were married in 1915... There are no records of Sadie actually being the mother of Frank except the record of someone collecting info of the family members living at a certain address. Then it was claimed his name was Frank Conlen, but in any other documents of him he was Frank Wells, so I think perhaps he was never a Conlen. He went to school. When William past away in 1931 his second wife claimed he had no children. Still the boy Frank existed and after Sadie's death and William's remarriage he lived with Sadie's father and after Sadie's father had passed he lived with Sadie's mother Mary, on different address.

New Orleans still has popped up to me when Sadie was adult. I have a scene where they thought it was colder than it was, she and William, and he is behind her, carrying a kind of gray/light brownish made of hardwood paper or something of a suitcase. A colored lady with a fan opens the front door. Then Sadie is playful and happy, and they hug and the lady greets William, like she has been expecting them, and invites them in. When she walked what I suspect is New Orleans streets with William in the evening she is free and happy and they show physical tenderness towards another. She does not go looking down on the pavement, like I could see her do automatically in Phila.

I have always took for granted that William and Sadie went to school together, but then I don't understand these 2 scenes. She reads in the library. He sits opposite in a slouch kind of way. His head resting on the table. He breathes out a sigh. He does not study. Another is that I think she would sit on the back of his bicycle. They would park it and go to a big tree. She would sit on one side of this tree and study. He would sit on the opposite side of the tree, as if they were not to disturb one another, but when she came around to look he had slouched down, had his cap over his face and was sleeping. No book in sight. Then I could see them leaving the tree, and when they did she sneaked in a gift for him in his pocket. I could also see him sit cross legged opposite her while asking questions to her, school related, by this tree I could tell she did not think she was too bright herself and really thought she had to study extra hard in order for her "slow brain" to finally get it. I could tell she thought William was naturally more gifted than she was. I could also tell she did not want William to think she was slow, so she would be easily smiling to him and trying hard to remember the right answers. The only activities I see him up to is sport and wanting to go to prom. He never reads anything. I don't know what is up with him. It is like he is on the side of everything.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge about the high school. The little I remember from this is that the mothers were somehow involved in this, I could see them stand there where the rehearsal would be.

There is this one scene I have never understood if it was real or wish believe or what. It seems much real. But I can't figure it out. It starts with William standing on a scene built right out in the open with audience ahead of him, all kinds of people, I think, Sadie did not take a good look in the scene, and it is autumn like. So he stands there and speak in some strange looking (to me) microphone. So he would do that and do his thing with him reaching out his hand back so she will take it, look behind at her, and smile at her, wanting her to too come forward. She has stood in line with few others in the background. I could tell she did come forward, but kept her eye on him, looking at him from the side, wanting direction. He lifts his hands up in the air, give a big smile. Then it goes away. I think I could see water, like river like, on the right where the grass ended, further away, but that is it. I had seen, if it was now built there, this area before, where some type of sport would be at, and there would be an audience there too. Could just have been imagination, or day dreaming, but the wooden floor she stood on seemed so real, she could hear it creak. One could go up the steps on each side. I remember he had a (strange) nick name for her, "Miss Apple-pie".

Thank you so much Sea & Sky if you read all this :)

/Jaimie
 
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Hi Jaimie,

I read it! This is really interesting stuff, but it is hard to collect all of the loose ends and see the whole picture. Also, it would take a lot more time than I have at the present to comment on everything. I will just give you a few thoughts as they come to me on #42 and #43.

First, perhaps the rapist was a "stevedore" on the side, but he was certainly a gangster as well as a rapist. Waiting at the waterside in the fog for something to come in is a classic "smuggling" scenario. In this era, it was most likely liquor or some other contraband, and taking illegal shipments in this way is typical for all kinds of criminal enterprises through history. (At present illegal drugs are still brought into the U.S. in this manner--but usually with more updated technology). So, Sadie is watching a dangerous gangster, but most likely one of a fairly low "rank" as top gangsters would probably not be doing this themselves.

Second, I believe the "grey" building is very typical, as it is merely the way unpainted wood weathers. There were still quite a few buildings of this type to be found when I was growing up in the South, though they were mostly abandoned and falling down (remnants of poverty and an earlier era).

Third, Sadie may have been a good swimmer and perhaps thought that the thug could not swim. However, it was a very dangerous and crazy plan of revenge. Also, William knew something had happened, but didn't know what it was as she refused to tell him and he was very disturbed. Likewise, her precipitous mental decline may well have begun with, and been set in motion by, the rape and progressed over the period (6 months?) leading up to her death. I think the idea of using magic spells and magic in other ways was probably part of a decline into irrationality and depression set in motion by her rape and the fact that she would not share it with anyone, especially William. The whole plan was crazy. The idea that she could overpower and kill this monster--several times her size and strength and quite probably a polished fighter, thug, and maybe even a killer--in a physical altercation with a knife (even with magic and water thrown in) was absolutely insane. She might as well have tried the same thing with a mountain gorilla or a mad bull. Poor silly girl, and poor William. He wanted so much for her to tell him. Perhaps he would have died trying to get back at this guy. Instead, she died and he was haunted by the belief he had not protected her as he should have. Even now, when it appears that his spirit (in the guise of your little girl) may have found you again, the love and need to protect you still comes shining through in the form of small girl trying to instruct her mother in how to use a knife to protect herself.

Fourth, I definitely think Sadie was murdered, probably trying to kill this man, or maybe he just discovered her and decided to eliminate her as a witness. Most likely he knocked her unconscious (explaining the injuries to her body) and then just held her under the water until she drowned. Perhaps he or the people he was meeting took her body farther out into the water to dump it afterwards (I don't know). Anyhow, I think the idea that her facial injuries were due to the fact that she was "bumped" by a boat is purely speculative--a way of trying to explain the injuries to her head/face and getting rid of the case as a "suicide". There is no indication of a stab wound being found in her body, so the blood in the water may show that she succeeded in stabbing him, but apparently she did not injure him enough to stop him from killing her. As he was probably an experienced fighter, he most likely just deflected her attempted stab with an arm and took a nasty slash or stab wound to an extremity, causing a lot of blood to be in the water. This would not have stopped him. She might have had a chance with a gun, but not a knife at close range . . . . even a knife wielding commando would be taking a big risk with someone like this.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I hope you can put all of the pieces together and write a book some day. This could make a wonderfully entertaining story.

PPS--Still trying to figure out how Sadie suddenly appeared in the family. One explanation of why there are no memories of your supposed "white mother" is that you were not taken by your father until after she had died. (It's a shame that you could not have moved back to New Orleans with William and your father--I think you would all have been happier there).
 
Hi Jaimie and Seaandsky!

I apologize. I have no memory of the Italian-American husband with a knife. Is it because when in military not allowed to wear this in private life? I don't know. A guess only. We did have gun at home. but thought we hide it from the kids.

Perhaps William was sitting off his time at school if his education was put on the pause button with his crime and going away? I can think he went some months into his 16 year class before crime, and then not allowed for him to jump in just where he was before but had to do all the 16 year class year again? What do you think of this? This why he was relaxing without books but put all he had in sport interest at school :)

I am so so sorry if Jaimie's past life died because of the bad man. But so happy that the spirits of William and Sadie are back together again.

Best Wishes

Li La
 
Hi,

I looked for Miss Apple-pie meaning. When he use it? You remember?

It can mean vagina. I did not know this. I hope you are not gonna kill me for this, Jaimie. This why I am interested to know when, where he called you this. One other I found is that Apple-pie is slang for "Perfect; exemplary: put the room in apple-pie order." (Am I forgiven now? ;))

Best Wishes
Li La
 
Hi Li La,

I think your WWII husband didn't feel like he needed to pack a knife due to his skill with his fists. Plus, there is a certain stigma attached to switch blades. As you can tell from the Youtube that Jaime linked, switchblades tend to be associated in a lot of people's minds with a criminal element. So, he may have consciously avoided being associated with that.

In terms of Apple-pie, I have never heard the first meaning. I have definitely heard the second. However, the thing not mentioned is that "apple-pie is associated with a certain American "wholesomeness". There is an old saying, "As American as Apple-pie", though it has often been pointed out that Apple-pie did not originate in America. Nonetheless, apple-pie is associated with old-fashioned values, old-fashioned ways, and old-fashioned foods. This image of a grandma making a pie (probably apple) for Thanksgiving pretty well sums it up:

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Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi Jaimie,

I read it! This is really interesting stuff, but it is hard to collect all of the loose ends and see the whole picture. Also, it would take a lot more time than I have at the present to comment on everything. I will just give you a few thoughts as they come to me on #42 and #43.

First, perhaps the rapist was a "stevedore" on the side, but he was certainly a gangster as well as a rapist. Waiting at the waterside in the fog for something to come in is a classic "smuggling" scenario. In this era, it was most likely liquor or some other contraband, and taking illegal shipments in this way is typical for all kinds of criminal enterprises through history. (At present illegal drugs are still brought into the U.S. in this manner--but usually with more updated technology). So, Sadie is watching a dangerous gangster, but most likely one of a fairly low "rank" as top gangsters would probably not be doing this themselves.

Second, I believe the "grey" building is very typical, as it is merely the way unpainted wood weathers. There were still quite a few buildings of this type to be found when I was growing up in the South, though they were mostly abandoned and falling down (remnants of poverty and an earlier era).

Third, Sadie may have been a good swimmer and perhaps thought that the thug could not swim. However, it was a very dangerous and crazy plan of revenge. Also, William knew something had happened, but didn't know what it was as she refused to tell him and he was very disturbed. Likewise, her precipitous mental decline may well have begun with, and been set in motion by, the rape and progressed over the period (6 months?) leading up to her death. I think the idea of using magic spells and magic in other ways was probably part of a decline into irrationality and depression set in motion by her rape and the fact that she would not share it with anyone, especially William. The whole plan was crazy. The idea that she could overpower and kill this monster--several times her size and strength and quite probably a polished fighter, thug, and maybe even a killer--in a physical altercation with a knife (even with magic and water thrown in) was absolutely insane. She might as well have tried the same thing with a mountain gorilla or a mad bull. Poor silly girl, and poor William. He wanted so much for her to tell him. Perhaps he would have died trying to get back at this guy. Instead, she died and he was haunted by the belief he had not protected her as he should have. Even now, when it appears that his spirit (in the guise of your little girl) may have found you again, the love and need to protect you still comes shining through in the form of small girl trying to instruct her mother in how to use a knife to protect herself.

Fourth, I definitely think Sadie was murdered, probably trying to kill this man, or maybe he just discovered her and decided to eliminate her as a witness. Most likely he knocked her unconscious (explaining the injuries to her body) and then just held her under the water until she drowned. Perhaps he or the people he was meeting took her body farther out into the water to dump it afterwards (I don't know). Anyhow, I think the idea that her facial injuries were due to the fact that she was "bumped" by a boat is purely speculative--a way of trying to explain the injuries to her head/face and getting rid of the case as a "suicide". There is no indication of a stab wound being found in her body, so the blood in the water may show that she succeeded in stabbing him, but apparently she did not injure him enough to stop him from killing her. As he was probably an experienced fighter, he most likely just deflected her attempted stab with an arm and took a nasty slash or stab wound to an extremity, causing a lot of blood to be in the water. This would not have stopped him. She might have had a chance with a gun, but not a knife at close range . . . . even a knife wielding commando would be taking a big risk with someone like this.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I hope you can put all of the pieces together and write a book some day. This could make a wonderfully entertaining story.

PPS--Still trying to figure out how Sadie suddenly appeared in the family. One explanation of why there are no memories of your supposed "white mother" is that you were not taken by your father until after she had died. (It's a shame that you could not have moved back to New Orleans with William and your father--I think you would all have been happier there).
Hi SeaAndSky !

Thank you very much for explaining...I have to return to my daughter's saying with the knife, she has also once said "you promise me, you PROMISE me you don't stop til you'll killed him !", her eyes then has bewildered fire in them. And there I stand with my cell phone, ha ha, wondering what is going on. Another time she was sure we had a thief in the house and her daddy was not home at the time, but hey, I was. Yet she insisted I would stay locked up in the bathroom and she would be the one to get out to see who was there, in her bewilderment she said "the knife ?" as if she expected me to have a knife in the room we were in (we weren't in the bathroom, why would I have a knife in the bathroom ?), as if hand me the knife, please. It is like something changes with her, only temporarily, and then she goes back to her normal self. When I told her 1) no one is here 2) if anyone goes out -- it's me. I'm the parent. she looked at me and said I was not big and strong like daddy so no, she thought it was better I stayed locked up. Like she thought she was Godzilla herself or something... 3) Why would I give a little girl a knife ? It's crazy. It's like she doesn't think.

My old feelings in past life experiences is the depression kind and the feeling of failure. it could very well be like you said, Sadie went after him and failed, unlike her euphoria of success in planning and wishful thinking...

Thank you so much for thinking this is interesting to even write a book of it someday as I was afraid what I write here would be wrong visions and not interesting so thank you so for taking them seriously :) and explaining things for me.

I agree, I don't understand why they could not all just have lived in New Orleans, she was like a totally different person there, relaxed, almost as if she had come to heaven. I think she wished too that they would have lived there. Treasured the moments she, they were visiting.

/Jaimie
 
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Hi Li La and SeaAndSky,

Thank you for the info om Apple pie.

I first felt oh, no...when you, Li La wrote it meant you know what...

He called Sadie Miss Apple pie on the stage, so it better not meant that...

When I searched on the words I first had found it was a place in the Netherlands, and a kind of modern looking purse, also a book that had it part of a title. This brought my hopes up, thinking it could have been an old book, but it was from 2015. When I read of the author it turns out he is from Pennsylvania too. I had a temporarily urge to contact him and ask what does "Miss Apple pie" mean exactly, ha ha. Perhaps thinking I had to go and buy the book to find out what it meant.

Thank you both for explaining the positive meaning behind apple pie :)

/Jaimie
 
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Hi Jaime,

I feel like I was too hard on Sadie in what I said above. I spoke of her plan as "revenge", and I am sure there was some of that involved. However, I think the primary motivation was to protect William. I think she knew he would find out sooner or later and would try to do the deed himself. She was so in love with him. And he was so in love with her. Both trying to protect the other, and her slowly losing her sanity due to the pressure she was under to try and hide something like this from him, but desperate that he not be taken from her because of it. Poor girl. I referred to her as "silly" up above, but I really shouldn't have. She was so in love and so desperate and desperately unhappy. I also shouldn't have referred to their story as "entertaining". That is too light a word, and this is too sad and tragic a story for that. Nonetheless, some great stories and tales have been made on the basis of tragic love stories. So, I still think it would be worth pursuing.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I should also have mentioned, given the stage and so forth, that she may have really been "Miss Apple-pie". It is possible that she was selected or won a competition of some type in order to receive that title, maybe it was even a contest for the best Apple pie :). (E.g., country fairs in the U.S. often have awards given for all types of things, including pies and so forth). As I mentioned above somewhere, even more than in the current era, America in these earlier times loved contests and titles of this type.
 
Hi Jaime,

I feel like I was too hard on Sadie in what I said above. I spoke of her plan as "revenge", and I am sure there was some of that involved. However, I think the primary motivation was to protect William. I think she knew he would find out sooner or later and would try to do the deed himself. She was so in love with him. And he was so in love with her. Both trying to protect the other, and her slowly losing her sanity due to the pressure she was under to try and hide something like this from him, but desperate that he not be taken from her because of it. Poor girl. I referred to her as "silly" up above, but I really shouldn't have. She was so in love and so desperate and desperately unhappy. I also shouldn't have referred to their story as "entertaining". That is too light a word, and this is too sad and tragic a story for that. Nonetheless, some great stories and tales have been made on the basis of tragic love stories. So, I still think it would be worth pursuing.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I should also have mentioned, given the stage and so forth, that she may have really been "Miss Apple-pie". It is possible that she was selected or won a competition of some type in order to receive that title, maybe it was even a contest for the best Apple pie :). (E.g., country fairs in the U.S. often have awards given for all types of things, including pies and so forth). As I mentioned above somewhere, even more than in the current era, America in these earlier times loved contests and titles of this type.
Hi Sea & Sky ! It is perfectly alright :) I can be silly sometimes and I bet past life me could be too ;) it is so good of you to care like this and write, thank you.
/Jaimie
 
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Hi,

I have been trying to find out what, or IF, perhaps I should say, Sadie even did go to high school and if she did -- did William also go ? I have not found any info yet. I don't know if they graduated. I suspect Sadie was a drop out. I don't know what William meant in one of my early memories when he told her "I'm not going back without you", if he meant school or perhaps his family, in my memories he had an ongoing conflict with his dad who was not supportive of his relationship with Sadie.

The way I guess it to be is that Sadie was 14 when she began high school and William was back in school to finish school as he had to take "time out" at age 16 (sentence to jail after some big fight and something else that I don't know what it was ) as he was gone one and a half year.

I remember my surprise when my daughter ( who I think is the reincarnation of William as her memories are so detailed ) said, as if it was nothing that she had first seen her when she was 14, that is when Sadie was 14.

BUT having thought before, with the help of Sea and Sky, about how I got confused about if she went to a school with all girls -- how come William was with her in the library, outside and in another building I have now found something that I thought was reminding me of what was discussed, please see pdf link

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...ta/sn83045211/00237287526/1915062401/0363.pdf

In it there is one photograph of all male graduates from the same school and underneath another photograph of all female graduates from the same school. So in a way it seems to have worked just like Sea and Sky wrote of. :) Girl class and boy class, but still the same school

/Jaimie
 
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Hi,

I have been trying to find out what, or IF, perhaps I should say, Sadie even did go to high school and if she did -- did William also go ? I have not found any info yet. I don't know if they graduated. I suspect Sadie was a drop out. I don't know what William meant in one of my early memories when he told her "I'm not going back without you", if he meant school or perhaps his family, in my memories he had an ongoing conflict with his dad who was not supportive of his relationship with Sadie.

The way I guess it to be is that Sadie was 14 when she began high school and William was back in school to finish school as he had to take "time out" at age 16 (sentence to jail after some big fight and something else that I don't know what it was ) as he was gone one and a half year.

I remember my surprise when my daughter ( who I think is the reincarnation of William as her memories are so detailed ) said, as if it was nothing that she had first seen her when she was 14, that is when Sadie was 14.

BUT having thought before, with the help of Sea and Sky, about how I got confused about if she went to a school with all girls -- how come William was with her in the library, outside and in another building I have now found something that I thought was reminding me of what was discussed, please see pdf link

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...ta/sn83045211/00237287526/1915062401/0363.pdf

In it there is one photograph of all male graduates from the same school and underneath another photograph of all female graduates from the same school. So in a way it seems to have worked just like Sea and Sky wrote of. :) Girl class and boy class, but still the same school

/Jaimie
Hi Jaimie!

Have you looked closer to the picture of the girls? If so what do you think? To me a lot of them could have been mix race. up to the right corner few colored women are too. If Sadie's real background was that her mother was mix race and her father white I get why their thoughts was she would fit in. When was it that Sadie met racism in her life? In the school? In town? Somewhere else? Have you found out what school Sadie went to?

Best Wishes
Li La
 
Hi Li La !

Yes, I agree. This was in 1915. Right now I am looking for Sadie in yearbooks from 1910. First I have to figure out what school she was in. I think I might have found the answer, but is still unsure. I saw a library that looked like I remembered and the shape of the windows. The other little thing I had was when Sadie sat at a bench with William and could kind of see in the distant a rather low school type of building. If it is this one I am not yet 100% sure of but it did exist back then. If so it is not the school that was in the article. Then it is the thing about if Sally (that was her name til I could find a record it was Sadie when she married) went to school with her name Sally Wells, or maybe it was Sadie Wells, or even perhaps it was another name ? How she managed to go through all those years without for instance even her birthday being registered in a formal document, not even on her death certificate (which I have checked everyone else in the family had that sign in) and with question marks the husband placed in about the mother, I don't know. Maybe they did not know her birthday but I mean could they then not just have made one up ? Does not one need a birthday in at least documents ?

The racism thing was for sure when she was in a shop for women. Don't know where, don't know the shop. The other was, after the war, when William wanted to take her out on a good time and they waited in a line when someone just grabbed her arm, a guy, to demand she leave it, when William lost it and started a bad fight. The third one I am not sure it is related to racism, but it could be, but it could also have been natural what then made it happen. It was the fire I remember she woke up in, in the house, and she got out from the bedroom, I was impressed how she seem to know how to handle it (when I later learn William was a firefighter in the navy I went, oh, he must have taught her then...). so she got out. When I later read of the fire, that had actually taken place, it strangely did not comment on survivors or the people living in the home, they only viewed it as a small home made factory to make socks and believing it was a machine that might have done it, this was written soon after the fire without an investigation, if there even was an investigation about it, taking place, but the thing was at the time when Sadie got out of the bedroom, on second floor, she saw a bunch of people way over that was just watching, and I think they were hiding when the sirens came. She did not dare to call for help. She was suspicious of them, them being over there instead of being closer and trying to help. There was no one close to the house who was trying to help in any way. When I listen to the song "I had a dream" and they come to "but the tigers come at night" it hits home, because that is what other memories when she was little and hiding in her parents bed and it was banging on the door and her father had a gun. Like the awareness that people that were up to no good could be in their finest form of this at the late hours, especially in a group, during weekends (if they now had a Monday-Friday job). This was also the time when the fire began. I think Sadie might very well have miscarried when trying to escape the fire because she fell down. It was as if she was aware no one else was home, just her, which was why she did not go looking for anyone. And in the article it did not say that anyone was home, and she did not come forward either to say she was. At the time on the street there were some that had their own little businesses, working at home, but I mean they must have figured out people then also lived in the home. Still, no report of that.

Before I thought my vision of a little kid in a grown up bed when she was an adult and worrying that the child was ill, just seeing his little head peek out from the blanket, was the huge size of this room and there was only one bed there. It looked a bit absurd. But then I understood this was the room originally used for the small home factory of making socks and afterwards her father changed profession, so it is natural to think they took it all away.

Sadie was like me when I was younger, shy, very shy. And I don't think she had the best self esteem in the world. There were times when she was feeling normal, and relaxed and I guess that would be when she felt home and safe in the areas she was then moving in. I think William got her self esteem up a great deal so when she was called to see his father ( without William being present ) she came with the belief that he would be happy for them, but instead his father made it clear to her, in civil words, that he was not. I don't know if it was race related, but I can't help think part of it was. I don't know if she dared to tell William about it either. It felt as if she was threaten underneath his civil words. From my memory I think she went to see William's father another time, not just that time, to urge him to change his mind about her. I doubt William knew any of this meeting taking place, if he did I think he would have been there too.

I remember one time (this memory came to me long ago) her sitting by the round kitchen shaped table with William and Papa. I think the discussion was that Papa wanted William to stay in school, and that Sadie and Papa would be fine, I think she was pregnant at the time (and not married...). The way I got it the fathers would provide for the sons during school. I think Williams dad would refuse to support his son through school if William went against his wish and married Sadie (pregnant...). During the discussion William ask if she was alright and reach his hand across the table. I could tell the relationship between Papa and William was good. That Papa had a plan how this would best work out, but William was torn.

From my understanding after having read all bad things that happened around the area they did not live in a too safe neighborhood either at all hours so it could be she was aware of this too, that it wasn't racism, it was just being cautious. Beside from this I can tell she loved their home, that there was order and nice people, families, on the streets too where she lived.

/Jaimie
 
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Hi Jaimie!
Thank you for explaining :) I enjoy reading of it very much.
What school do you think it is?

Best Wishes
Li La
 
Hi, wonder if anyone can tell if this is old' folks or students or who ever that attend these sort of events below ? Thank you in advance :) I'm confused about it myself and trying to figure out if this is the William Conlen I am looking for...to me at first glance with mrs this and mrs that it seems to be "older" generations, not high school pupils, if you know what I mean. It seems still school-related, somehow. I can tell Mr William Conlen went without a Mrs. but that is about it. This was in 1916. ( The William Conlen I am looking into was married to a Sadie from 1915-22, her death ). According to my experiences my past life self (Sadie) had a fight with William about him wanting her to attend a dance, and she refused, him exclaiming "You have a dress, don't you ?!" as if that was the only potential problem, but I thought the event was prom or prom like.
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/Jaimie
 
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