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time passages

Ghost of Gumby

Hi, Friends : )
I have been thinking about reincarnation and my past lives, and I have been wondering if it may be possible, once we die, to enter any time period of our chosing, either past or future. Is time a progression that cannot be broken, or is it possible to transcend the space-time continuum and jump to past or future time continuums? This means that there would be in existance time passages which would make this transit possible. To a certain degree this would be like going back and reliving a former life.
 
I don't know, except I wouldn't rule out the possibility of time being a lot weirder than we normally think it is.
 
I posted something to that extent before, but I asked what if when we are remembering our past lives we are actually receiving glimpses of our future lives. We only think 'past' because these lives appear to be in time periods that are done and over with.


It's interesting to me and makes sense when you look at time only existing in this dimension. As there is no time when we cross over we should be able to reincarnate in any 'time' here without a problem, I should think. But who knows?
 
I have thought about this myself a few times. There really is no way of measuring it so it's all just down to personal opinions. I really do think that, as souls, when we have passed over, we can create our own surrounding if we wish, although we may not exactly be in that time peroid, or any 'time' period at all for that matter since we are in spirit form, but we may feel like we are. So, we may be able to create a place out of the energy of our memory.


Like Sister Grey said, I wouldn't rule anything out when it comes to discussing how 'time' works. I don't think, while we are on earth, we will ever know the true 'limits' of unknown forces.
 
This is a good question, and I don't think anyone can give a conclusive answer, so all we can do is speculate.


Instead of 'time' being a straight road, with past events behind us, and future events ahead of us, I think time is more like a huge 4 dimensional 'globe', where everything past, present and future is everywhere within that globe. Then I think as individual souls, we each navigate our separate paths around that globe through successive lives, which would suggest the ability to reincarnate in the past as well as the future.


This raises more questions regarding free will, or whether one life can be lived over and over again by a succession of different souls. If we can reincarnate in the past, then that would surely mean that free will can alter our history? I've pondered a lot over this thought. Is the past static? How do we know that history is not constantly evolving? How do we know that our history right now, is not the same as it was 5 minutes ago, because we are moving along with history, surely we can't stand back and view history in a linear fashion, when 'time' is just an illusion? Think about that 4 dimensional globe, where is the 'end' and where is the 'beginning'? It's all pretty mind boggling to me, how do you know you haven't just popped into existence, and the last 40 years of your life (or however old you are) is the result of another soul in the past, who's actions are altering the future right now? Now I'm talking about a 'cascading' universe, where every possible eventuality is branching off in different directions and all happening at the same time. So many questions. I think the answers only become apparent when we eventually leave the constraints of our physical existence. :)
 
Interesting post, Chris, I enjoyed reading that. It really is a good subject that gets the mind ticking:laugh:


Brilliant thread. Well done, Ghost! :thumbsup:
 
ChrisR: I think time is more like a huge 4 dimensional 'globe', where everything past, present and future is everywhere within that globe.
This is how I perceive time - a good explanation or description of 4th dimensional state of consciousness is by Jim Self (from Mastering Alchemy):

Time in 4D, for example, is always present time. The focus is only ever this moment, what is happening right now. Our bodies already know only this present time; they can’t know ‘yesterday’ or ‘tomorrow,’ and as conscious beings in our natural alignment in the higher 4th dimension, we function absolutely in this “Now” of present time awareness and attention. When our attention point becomes present time awareness, choice becomes possible again. We can observe any and all events with a sense of detachment, merely as information to consider, and from that still, uncluttered platform we are then, and only then, free to choose our response. In the higher 4th dimension we become response-able.
A concept and possibility known as paradox also becomes available in the present time of 4D consciousness. Paradox simply means that what was true just a moment ago may not be true right now. And what was false a moment ago may no longer be false. Instead of applying rigid, pre-existing definitions to any experience, we choose our preferred version and vibration in every moment.


So as we move into 4D consciousness in present time, with the power of choice and response-ability, and the flexibility of paradox, the ability to alter the game to enhance our happiness and wellbeing becomes available.
He describes the 3rd dimensional state of consciousness as well:

The third dimension (3D) is a box of rigid beliefs, more or less, with a relatively inflexible set of rules and limitations. Most of us have been playing this game for lifetimes, so we tend to think it is the only game available to us. But nothing could be further from the truth. One of the rigid 3D beliefs that structure our lives – our thinking and feeling and actions - is linear time.
Linear time is an optional belief and structure that let’s us “live” an experience of past and a future... and then we die. Because this belief is the default assumption of mass 3D consciousness, and events seem to validate the belief, most of us think and act as if it’s true.


But now we are all waking up from the illusion of this ubiquitous belief. And as you become more conscious, you realize that time in 3D is actually a time loop. What you experience in “the past” is pretty much what you put your attention on now, and you project that reality into “the future,” and therefore you experience it over and over again.


So the structure of time is quite specific (and limiting) in the 3rd dimension, but your experience of time is quite different (and empowering) as you move into higher dimensions.


Everything in a 3D consciousness is also very conditional. The concept of, for example, ‘unconditional love,’ does not exist in the 3rd dimension. If you experience ‘unconditional love’ or ‘unconditional peace’ you have actually moved into a fourth dimensional (4D) consciousness.


You see, in the earth experience now, we have access to both 3rd and 4th dimensional consciousness, but most of us rarely step out of the well-grooved habits of 3D thinking and feeling.


The 3rd dimension also offers no possibility of choice. We don’t choose our thoughts, feelings, and actions in every moment (that’s a skill of 4D and 5D), instead we react from unconscious beliefs and training to the people and situations that pop up in our space.


Duality provides another rigid structure for 3D experience. Up/down. Left/right. Should/shouldn’t. Since the fall of Atlantis 12,500 years ago, we have become very fearful as a way of life, and in that fear we have learned to narrowly define good and bad, right and wrong, etc. Unconscious judgment permeates 3D thinking.


Moreover, we perceive our 3D experience predominantly with the left hemisphere of the brain, home of the rational mind, and so we use only about 5 to 10 percent of the brain’s capacity to play the 3D game. Most of us suspect the rest of our brain must do something but have no idea what it actually does and how it functions.
ChrisR: Is the past static? How do we know that history is not constantly evolving? How do we know that our history right now, is not the same as it was 5 minutes ago, because we are moving along with history, surely we can't stand back and view history in a linear fashion, when 'time' is just an illusion?
No the past is always subject to change.
 
Some members may be surprised to find out that there have been numerous studies by at least nine laboratories which have demonstrated the apparent effects of future actions on past events. Known as retropsychokinesis, researchers record the 0's and 1's emitted by random number generators without knowing the results and store copies of the recordings for a period of time until volunteers try to skew the results in one direction or the other. When the recordings are finally analyzed, they find results that have statistical odds of around 18 million to 1 against chance.


Although we often assume that the mystery of time cannot be understood as long as we exist in our three dimensional world, there are evident aspects of time which manage to poke their way through our limited veil of existence. In the case of retropsychokinesis it seems that we may be able to affect the past in some ways, and it seems logical that we should be able to also affect the future. In other words the arrow of time does not necessarily have to travel only in one direction from past to future.


When it comes to choosing future lifetimes along past timelines, however, one would have to refer only to non-existent veridical cases in which people claim to have also lived in the future. But then, how could such an experience be verified if it happened at a time in the future for which we have no data yet to compare to? On the other hand, we already know that there have already been cases of premonition in which people have accurately predicted events in the future, and laboratory experiments have demonstrated the existence of at least short-term premonitions. So, what would prevent us from choosing a lifetime that is already in the past?
 
I mentioned in another thread that I think it's possible, but not common to be born again into the past as I think it easily explains parallel or simultaneous lifetimes.


In that sense, you're not really splitting yourself, but simply coming back to a previous point where you have some overlap with yourself.
 
Hello Ghost! Happy New Year!


I read your conversation and it reminded me of a video I saw that deals with this question. Isha offers some interesting food for thought

. What do you think?
Tman
 
That's a nice video Tinkerman - I relate with and agree with what she said.


What she mentioned about choice and 'Karma' reminded me of something I came across:


Lazaris talks about Karma


Another great article on the subject is: Rethinking Karma

Karma relies on the so-called “law of causality” – that every cause has a predictable effect. Therein lies a fatal flaw: there is no such law; as quantum physics is increasingly showing us, reality simply does not behave this way. We live in a universe of probabilities, not absolutes. While we can observe our surroundings and make generally reliable predictions about X event being followed by Y outcome, there is no guarantee that Y will always follow X for any given event. The best we can say is that there is a high probability that Y will follow X – but there is always the chance, however slight, that X could be followed by Z, Q or P (but not U; they’re overused enough as it is). For practical purposes this means that there is no guarantee that the outcome of one’s actions will correspond with the actions themselves in any way that makes sense to the logical mind. There can be no universal mechanism that infallibly balances out our actions as karma is said to do, because we can’t even say with total certainty whether a given action will produce the same outcome twice.
Caution: Free Will Ahead!


If I haven’t lost you yet with all the quasi-algebra – the plot thickens even more when we consider that anything that can be described as “karmic” takes place within the context of relationships and choices made between individuals. This introduces free-will into the equation – which, by definition, makes all outcomes even more unpredictable by definition. We live in a free will zone, where a broadly diverse cast of characters (some with more character than others) all coexist with the same freedom to do as they please within the limits of what is physically possible. If I walk outside right now and punch the first person I see, there are many possibilities as to what happens next. They could hit me back; they could press charges; they could pull out a gun and blow me away; they could run away. The outcome depends almost solely on the choices of the other person, and most likely will not be in any sense “equal” to my original action. To say that I might receive the backlash in some other lifetime would be a cop-out, as it is completely unverifiable. That’s not to say there aren’t consequences for our actions. If I make a habit out of mistreating people, the natural outcome is that I increase my chances of being similarly mistreated… which brings us back to dealing in probabilities. If we can’t guarantee that a negative act in this lifetime will receive a backlash, what’re the chances that it will in the next, when I may be in a completely different environment with its own unique set of influences, with a different personality, making different choices? Is there really any good reason to believe that probability increases across lifetimes?


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Beliefs and Subconscious Structures


The Buddhists may be onto something with this “seeds planted in the mind” idea, though I highly doubt that every single act creates a new one. What I can verify is that habitual thoughts, beliefs and actions create structures in the mind and energy bodies, which then exert a tremendous influence over what we experience. Our beliefs play a large role in creating our experience, as do the energetic structures created over time by habitual thought and courses of action. It may well be that holding a strong belief in a “law of karma” creates that structure within yourself, which you’ll then start manifesting in your circumstances. It’s worth mentioning that these structures can be nearly instantaneously changed or even destroyed, resulting in a corresponding change in the influences and experiences one attracts. Suffice to say that if there ever was a karmic mechanism at work in my life, I think I broke it. Oops.
 
I want to thank everyone for your response to this thread, I have read all the posts and it really makes my mind spin just considering all these angles to the question. This really makes me think that our perception and measurement of time is only an artifical construction, and very limited. I do have difficulty with the problem of changing history, where someone could go back to a past incarnation and change all history. It seems to me that our history is fixed as archeologists dig the evidence from the ground. I think that the physical past cannot be altered. This is just my view which may be totally wrong. So in this model, the soul that goes back in time is more or less obligated to perform the same actions, repeat the same actions, almost like a recording. Perhaps this is how the notion of predetermination came about, as our actions are determined by some outward force. This is actually a much more conservative model than many of you have proposed here, but I am open to other alternatives.
 
I don't think the actual 'physical past' can be changed either - but I don't believe that a wound that happened in the 'past' can't be healed 'now' and that healing not having any effect on the 'past'. In other words - by healing 'now', the 'past' is also healed. That's just my view of it.


I've been 'juggling' around the idea of time where it concerns my own peculiar situation lately and although I cannot discuss it in detail here - I think I'm on the verge of coming to some sort of understanding of the situation.
 
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