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What To Do About Doubters

GalaxyDreamer90

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Lately I've been struggling with my faith and my beliefs. While I really want to believe in God and magic and stuff like that it doesn't help when people say things like magic isn't real. I know I shouldn't worry what others say but it fills my mind with doubts. Maybe I need to learn to keep my beliefs to myself. Besides my beliefs aren't exactly the same as the majority of people here. Unfortunately I'm just not sure how to shut up about what I believe. I try not to let others know what I believe but when the conversation goes to religion I tend to mention what I believe even if it sounds weird. It's just growing up I always had a weird interest in magic and spirituality but maybe I'm too open about my weird interest. Guess it's time I learn to keep quiet but not entirely sure how.
 
I know I shouldn't worry what others say but ...

I appreciate your opening about your thoughts and emotions. I'd like to be helpful, especially as I don't resonate with almost anything you shared.

I generally try to keep things simple and clear: "this" is what I believe to be right, "that" is what I don't believe to be so. I don't make my judgments based on what others say, and I consider the opportunity (or lack of) to share my beliefs. I have no intention of convincing anybody (not offending either), and don't believe in solving differences through argumentation. The only source of knowledge I trust is my inner-guidance, being aware that I might distort its guidance with my beliefs, wishes, expectations. I interact with others, but not to learn from them or to teach them, but for the opportunity to get symbolic messages from my inner guidance that I can interpret and make use of in my quest for growth and evolvement.

I recommend others to get in touch with their inner guidance, and when they do that to leave aside all their beliefs and expectations, and iteratively to find their individual path.

Good luck!
 
Thanks due to depression its been a while since I took the time to connect with my inner guidance as you call it. Like I said been struggling with doubts might be good idea to reconnect with my inner self.
 
Not sure where you live exactly, but I find a lot of comfort in looking at non-modern and non-western cultures when I find myself sucked into the doubt whirlpool. I've spent a lot of time in the Amazon with indigenous groups thoroughly invested in a shamanic worldview, and I've lived in the so-called Holy Land, where for many people the relationship with God is the MOST important relationship, full stop -- which is the complete opposite of the culture I grew up in! I remind myself about the history of the European enlightenment, the process of how "rationality" took over the western mind -- merely a product of cultural conditioning, not an ultimate truth, and one that hasn't even existed very long. The non-spiritual worldview is a BABY of a concept on the grand scheme of things, and some would argue it goes against human nature itself. If I were to subscribe wholesale to the materialist worldview, then I'd be writing off the current majority of the world as well as the VAST (INCOMPREHENSIBLY VAST) majority of human history. It's short-sighted to think modern people have suddenly and magically "figured it all out," bigoted to think the materialists have it right and everyone else is wrong, and downright insane to throw spirituality out the window after hundreds of thousands of years of human culture being built around it, from the caves to Mormonism.

Anyway, those are the types of thoughts that pull me out of my own doubt -- and trust me, I know doubt. Connecting with your inner self is great, but I've learned from personal experience that one needs a good ol' fashioned counter-argument, too. Not necessarily one that you have to say aloud to anyone, but one that you can rely on within yourself. Because in my experience, pure subjective belief isn't enough to feel stable. I've had to build up rational, intellectual defenses of my own in order to protect my experiences, values, beliefs, and sense of meaning, purpose and connection. And if I can't protect the core sanctity of my life, then I can't protect ANY aspect of my life.

We (or I, at least) live in a society where our direct, personal experience of reality is constantly undermined and negated in favor of something that comes from WITHOUT rather than WITHIN. We're encouraged to doubt ourselves, to think of our view as less than someone else's. Our spiritual wisdom is passed down from those seen as "special" -- priests, gurus, etc. -- when in fact divinity is accessible to all of us equally. Our perceptions of reality are only "real" if they've been approved of by some external source, like a corporate-funded scientific study (and remember: there's no money to be made in proving if God, ghosts, or reincarnation are real 😉), or a large enough crowd of witnesses. Yet in a culture where "no witnesses, didn't happen" rules the day, how can we feel secure in something that by definition NO ONE can witness -- our personal inner truth?

I'm a moderate on the issue, of course -- some degree of checking in with consensus reality is what keeps you sane. But if you feel something in your bones and the people around you make you doubt it, you're ALSO going to go crazy, just in a different way. Don't let anyone tell you that your experience of reality is wrong. Theirs is likely adopted wholesale from a mass-produced worldview that likely doesn't bring them any personal depth or connection. You gotta do what's right for your soul, in your own way, if you want to live a full life. Sometimes having your faith challenged is a way of strengthening that muscle, which ultimately just builds and affirms your own capacity to respect yourself.

Also, this: "I interact with others, but not to learn from them or to teach them, but for the opportunity to get symbolic messages from my inner guidance that I can interpret and make use of in my quest for growth and evolvement" from baro-san is 🔥👍
 
Thanks for your advice. I live in the US and here the culture is very much materialistic which I hate. I would absolutely like to move to another country like maybe Japan but sadly I'm very limited on transportation and not sure my boyfriend would be willing to move to another country with me besides I kind of don't want to have to learn another language. Still maybe it would help to make more friends online that are of different religions. I especially would like a friend from Japan but it's hard to find Japanese online mostly because of time difference between Japan and US. I absolutely enjoyed learning about other religions in middle school. Not only did it help me learn to cope with the thought of death and losing my grandmother at a young age but it was interesting to get to know how other people in the world believe.
 
Man, HBC and all
What beautifully articulated, valuable insight.

Thank you.

As I get older I care less about what a naysayer might say about my personal experiences.

Not that I've mastered this. I care more when friction comes from someone I love compared to a stranger. But all friction is valuable shaping of Ego, personality and desires.

I recognize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, what's for one isn't always for another.

I see life as a beautiful and intimate journey with the self.

I'm learning when I can share my pearls, how to read a moment and when to let someone go on with their beliefs.

My internal belief system is, it's all God.

You have a beautiful connection with a deeper aspect of your self, I think we all do... and I think we're all learning how to dance with that.

Loving regards~
 
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Thanks for your advice. I live in the US and here the culture is very much materialistic which I hate. I would absolutely like to move to another country like maybe Japan but sadly I'm very limited on transportation and not sure my boyfriend would be willing to move to another country with me besides I kind of don't want to have to learn another language. Still maybe it would help to make more friends online that are of different religions. I especially would like a friend from Japan but it's hard to find Japanese online mostly because of time difference between Japan and US. I absolutely enjoyed learning about other religions in middle school. Not only did it help me learn to cope with the thought of death and losing my grandmother at a young age but it was interesting to get to know how other people in the world believe.
Ha, for real. I am terrible at learning other languages, that is a serious bar-to-entry for me as well! I'm alright with Spanish, but everything else? I can hardly speak my FIRST language well 😅

I find I'm helped just by reading about other cultures (and eras), though, and reminding myself that the US (where I also live) is just ONE part of a very diverse world. Everything that we've been led to believe is "real" and "true" is merely a single point of view among many. I've dealt with a lot of nay-sayers here, especially in my family of origin, who I'd describe as dogmatic atheists; I only brought up travel because that was the turning point for me -- to see such different perspectives in action. After being called "crazy" and "stupid" by those around me for believing in "imaginary things" my whole life, it was life-changing to have my spirituality respected for once. True, there are materialists everywhere -- it's global at this point -- but the judgement and ridicule I've experienced in the US for my beliefs (and experiences) isn't something I've encountered abroad. Granted, I come from a pretty dysfunctional family, but still 😉
 
Okay maybe it will help to read some books about different cultures and beliefs though I can't think of any right at the moment other than non fiction books on different religions and cultures. If you know of any worth trying to read let me know and I'll see about checking them out from the library. Besides I kind of miss going to the library anyway but am usually too busy with work these days to go.
 
Peanut gallery comment, but for me, at least with reincarnation, the proof I put my faith in is in being able to verify something you shouldn't, couldn't or wouldn't have known easily about your past life. Out of everything I've been through, I only have one thing that I verified like that and that's enough for me.

I don't care what people think about me, my past lives, I don't tell people who haven't expressed interest in anything like it, I don't try to convince people of anything or change their minds. I have my proof and that's enough for me.

If you are happy and confident with what you know and believe, then what other people think doesn't matter. I also think inherently spiritual things are also more personal meaningful and it can hard to relate that to other people who haven't had such experiences or don't care.

I would just be happy and content that at least here, you have people you can talk to and I wouldn't worry about the others :) let them think what they want to.
 
Peanut gallery comment, but for me, at least with reincarnation, the proof I put my faith in is in being able to verify something you shouldn't, couldn't or wouldn't have known easily about your past life. Out of everything I've been through, I only have one thing that I verified like that and that's enough for me.

I don't care what people think about me, my past lives, I don't tell people who haven't expressed interest in anything like it, I don't try to convince people of anything or change their minds. I have my proof and that's enough for me.

If you are happy and confident with what you know and believe, then what other people think doesn't matter. I also think inherently spiritual things are also more personal meaningful and it can hard to relate that to other people who haven't had such experiences or don't care.

I would just be happy and content that at least here, you have people you can talk to and I wouldn't worry about the others :) let them think what they want to.
Wish I could not worry so much about what others think but it doesn't help when Dr says you are mental and I guess they would know what they are talking about.
 
Still it really hurts that the Dr thinks I have ADHD. I just don't want to believe I have a disability but I guess the Dr knows what he's talking about.
 
Still it really hurts that the Dr thinks I have ADHD. I just don't want to believe I have a disability but I guess the Dr knows what he's talking about.

Nobody's perfect.

But most of us get used to one's defects and learn to put up with what one has.

I wanted to go after school into the Spanish Navy, but the doctors discovered a slight myopia on my left eye, so I was qualified as not fit.

Whom had I to blame?

Later I discovered other defects, as well, and some of them I believe I have for my karmic debts from my PL.

So, what can I do, besides trying to improve my karma now, so that these defects don't crawl into my next life?

Regards.

IMHO
 
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Having defects as you call them just really bother me. This is going to sound really werid and geeky but I want to be powerful but if I have ADHD then I am powerless not to mention nothing I do is impressive and matters because no matter what I do I have ADHD so why bother with anything. Sorry if that sounds really ableist of me.
 
Well that's add in a nutshell. Sure its hard to focus, but what nobody tells you about is the depression, the swirling thoughts that are mostly about doubting yourself and the listlessness that comes from it all that prevents you from helping yourself by getting started on the things you want to do.

ADD was present in both my very public past lives. My last one, many people said I was insane. At least be thankful you don't have the whole world watching you!

In the last 5 years, I've gotten on medication and I think it's one of the best things I did. Maybe talk to your Dr about it?

Everyone has something about them that's some sort of issue. The people that actually seek help because they want to improve and progress in life? Very very few.

Having "problems" is normal and so is doing nothing about them. It's above average to seek help, so have courage and continue on that path.
 
A rant from a cloud potato... Part 1

I would like to share that my sister and I were both diagnosed with ADHD growing up. My parents experimented and decided to try the medicine on my Sister. Thank GOD I did not have to endure the dependency and negative effects associated with the medicines, especially at that time. I don't look at my self and say woe is me. I hope you can find that ability in your self, because that's the only way you'll get over any hump- medicine or not.

My sister eventually weened off the medicine and feels a million times better, she's calmer in her demeanor and even though she may still carry uncertainty towards some idea's, she will push herself to follow through and see where it leads her. I am really proud of her. This is not to knock modern medicine, which certainly has its uses.

The "prescribed method" is not for everyone. DR's don't have it all figured out and some are willing to experiment until they find the right "dosage" and medication to whatever "diminishes" symptoms or creates, "normal" function/behavior- without much thought to the long-term side effects or negative consequences. One size doesn't fit all.

I think I've shared this before but if you didn't know,
Before COVID came along I was having some mysterious heart issues. I thought it genetic because my Mothers Brother died at my age from similar(grant it, his health was in worse standing). One day we had a scare that sent me to the ER, but nothing came of it and we thought that was that.

A year later something came back, debilitating episodes- I don't have to go into it all... But I can tell you it lasted for months, caused me to miss work- etc. I was sent to the hospital a couple times and had a few rolling on the ground seizure like episodes. During this we went to a cardiologist and a doctor. The advise of the general doctor was basically to follow the advice of my cardiologist, and maybe see a neurologist.

The cardiologist couldn't see any physical problems but she was certain I had vasodepressor syncope. The medications I had made things worse. A whole lot worse. And this is simple blood pressure medicine, no big deal for other people. I had hallucinations, intense swings in BP(within 5 minutes time) coupled with insomnia. I told my cardiologist this, and she tried giving me different medicine whose design was more of the same, treating what she thought I had.

I thought maybe I'm "creating" the worse case scenario- so I tried different medicines, not even reading the side effects on the label- and when I would relay what was happening to my Mother she would see I was indeed experiencing the worse case scenario side effects on the label. This was not psychosomatic.

It turns out my grandmother was extremely sensitive to modern medicine and I am too. When I shared this with my cardiologist she said that the insurance dictates she gives me certain medications first. When a certain medication works so well for most people, it is the default prescription- even if it is not the correct solution to a problem.

Anyways, I was able to draw advice form her and discard the things that did not serve me. I learned a lot in the process. I should tell you while I was in the hospital they gave me a psychiatrist for who knows what reason. He was well respected by the staff. He took one look at me and said I had holiday heart coupled with anxiety. His solution was to prescribe me xanax. Xanax is absolutely awful stuff. I hated it, I felt like I was turning into a vegetable. When I told him I was scared by what the xanax was doing to me, he chuckled and said I needed a higher dosage. I told the nurses tending to me that I refuse to take anymore xanax. This was another good decision in the long run.
 
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Part 2

The cardiologist(when she was all out of ideas) told me to see an endocrinologist- and the endocrinologist told me I had low thyroid.

I'm sharing all this to say... All of these things they were seeing- were indeed things needing addressed, but they wanted to give me synthetic medicines to mask symptoms or mimic/recreate bodily function. All things I disagreed with at a fundamental level. I could see in ways where their knowledge was helpful- like learning more about potassium, magnesium, selenium, iodine... All very helpful- but I could also see the ways where they were simply defaulting off a knowledge that did not feel as if they were interested in getting to the root of why I was experiencing whatever I was experiencing. Every specialist I went to, saw something they specialized in. It's of no fault of their own... Sad to say that's how most of our culture with regards to medicine is here in the West... For the longest we've been about treating symptoms(not getting to the root of something) which is a profitable business model- And if you weren't aware the ADD/ADHD is a money making business.

I won't go into much more with my past. I did go to the neurologist, I had CT scans, X-Rays, all kinds of test, all kind of things and eventually- with money as tight as it was, I had to stop.

It gets to the point where YOU have to decide. I decided enough is enough. I decided to take my health into my own hands. I can happily report, I am on no medication- except natural supplements and healthy food(for the most part). A year ago today I was in the hospital. Now I am in some of the best shape I've been in. When I was making this decision to reclaim my health and my power I was prompted by a living spirit in ways that would acknowledge this struggle I had been experiencing internally and visibly supporting my decision to DO THIS. (When you know, you know).

You have to stop fretting over the what ifs... Don't give up on your self. Don't settle... I could say so much more- but I don't want to sound like I'm coming down on you... I only mean to share to say... At a certain point my Sister was fed up with the medication and she decided. At a certain point in my health journey, I decided.

If you really want to go for it, do it. But you have to be the one to decide. You can go the rest of your life feeling the way you do, or you can decide to do something about it.

Diligent research, safe ways to ween off medication, ways to cultivate gratitude, ways to cultivate mindfulness... Whatever segue you feel is best. Try to listen to your self, and have confidence going in that direction. I'm not telling you what's best, I'm only sharing my story. You may find ways to progress even with medication. But from the outside looking in, it looks like you are relishing in this victim mentality and I hope you break yourself free from that. But the only way to do that, is to want it.

I will say I know people who are depressed and self medicate, and they think the medication is freeing them from depression- but it's just avoiding the problem and creating worse health overall...

If only people realized how much food effects overall health. Food directly effects our mental health too. Becoming cognizant of that has really changed my life for the better... In you is such a phenomenal power, and I really hope you come back into contact with that... You deserve it. You deserve the best. You have to believe that.

I hope you try.
And I hope this helps... When you take just one sincere step forward, the universe will help you in unimaginable ways...

Loving regards...
 
I really want off the medications and to stop seeing the doctor buy I can't just suddenly stop my meds without withdrawal symptoms that hate to say it make it hard to function. I told the Dr I want to slowly get off the meds so I don't have withdrawl but he refuses to get me off all the meds. Also I'm so tired of him saying I have ADHD. Though I don't want to believe I have ADHD but it's so stuck in my head that I do.
 
Materialism when it comes to such things is absolute dead bottom of the barrel when it comes to such matters that really everything else is at least a cut or two above in understanding. It really does raise a red flag if not a few for me when meeting such minds and generally doesn't take long to find out why never mind end up disliking them in the end. As for American society it is truly depressing place for those who feel authentically and are not neurotypical.
 
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