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Why are people transgendered?

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Sarellah

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Possibilities:

1. Souls have genders and their soul-gender and body-gender didn't match.

2. They lived many past lives as male or female and weren't used to being male or female.

3. They planned a life as male or female and accidentally entered the wrong body by mistake, in haste, or without thinking it through.

What do you think? This is kinda bothering me! OMG

I mean, honestly, if souls weren't male or female, wouldn't the person adjust if they weren't used to their body? So don't transgendered people prove that souls have genders? Or is it more of a life path thing?
 
I believe that any answer would work for this question as it would for questions regarding any other condition in life. Why are people born without limbs? Why are people born with extra limbs? Why are people born in poor circumstances in which they have little or no opportunity? Why indeed! I think that people choose certain circumstances for each their own reason, even though the reason becomes hidden to them during life. I further believe that reasons we conceive of while living on this earth cannot come close to touching the reasons we actually consider while on the other side.
 
I think that it's more biological as said above. Also, echoing a previous poster - there's a lot of learn from various lives. And a life as a transgendered individual would probably have some rather unique lessons to share.
 
this topic has bothered me a huge amount,


I can't seem to find an answer anywhere,


I looked at past life stories and found many that were opposite gender and had no issues with it at all, and some had lots of issues with it...


it really does seem like it is biological, the transgendered have brains that are in the middle between male and female brains, sometimes it is just a lack of sensitivity to particular hormones,


but I guess a spirit could direct the formation of a brain....


the question will likely continue to drive me nuts. (mainly due to my body continually reminding me there is an issue)


and I am sure learning things that no regular people are learning
 
1. Souls don't have genders. Bodies have genders.


2. & 3. Perhaps. Sure.


Do a search on 'gender' and you will find many stories and thoughts on this subject.


Personally I've got memories of being both male and female in roughly 50/50 ratio - perhaps slightly more male, but that could be because those lives were more 'exciting' and therefore memorable. I don't remember feeling confusion about it at any time. In this life I feel 'andrognynous' but am not confused about my feminity or sexuality either if that makes sense. I think of myself as a person first and a woman second.


I can be 'one of the boys' or 'one of the girls' depending on the social setting. I've worn my hair long or short for years at a time when the mood takes me. I prefer to wear trousers and boots because it's more comfortable and practical. I do also enjoy dressing up in a pretty dress and heels and putting on makeup and all that for an occasion.


I am definitely straight, but now and again when I see a particularly beautiful woman I can certainly appreciate it. At odd times have exchanged knowing looks with men going 'phwoarrrh' when the woman isn't looking if that makes sense (it's a bit of a boy thing).


I feel that I have a better understanding of men and how they think and what they like and don't like because of my experiences, but I'm also very much a woman.


I think nature is just variable. There are no straight lines or hard and fast rules in nature. Personally, I suspect 'gender confusion/fusion' is probably a result of a combination of nature, nurture and 'other' (reincarnation / what the soul is 'up to'). I know a few 'transgender' people, straight, gay, whatever. They're all just people. I don't worry about it. I treat everyone the same.
 
Michael Newton has good information about sexual orientation, and how it serves the purpose of spiritual development in his book, "Soul Journeys", if you haven't read it already, Sarellah. I was having a discussion last night about this subject, with a friend who has studied past lives for the past 30 years. She asked her spirit guide what he looked like, and he showed her 10 different appearances in a few seconds. He asked, "which one do you like?". I believe a soul can choose a gender to suit it's need, and transgendered and gay people are not confused - they chose that path.
 
spacecase0 said:
this topic has bothered me a huge amount,
I can't seem to find an answer anywhere,


I looked at past life stories and found many that were opposite gender and had no issues with it at all, and some had lots of issues with it...


it really does seem like it is biological, the transgendered have brains that are in the middle between male and female brains, sometimes it is just a lack of sensitivity to particular hormones,


but I guess a spirit could direct the formation of a brain....


the question will likely continue to drive me nuts. (mainly due to my body continually reminding me there is an issue)


and I am sure learning things that no regular people are learning
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I hope you find peace, spacecase0. <3 By the way, I believe I know you from another forum and myspace, although I haven't visited either much recently. :)
 
Interesting. I think being transgendered would give us a certain sense of peace and automatically genuine personality after having been living a falsehood in another body.
 
Its a little more complicated than that. Id like to comment on this at length actually but ive been short on time lately. :(
 
Mimic said:
Actually gender is a social thing.
Sex is the biological male/female difference.
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do you know how when you close your eyes you can tell where your hands are, or any part of your body ? That is called the body map a person has, and it is not always what your body is,
maybe it is an etheric body you take from on life to the next, or maybe just a map with the neurons in the brain, but either way many transgendered people have this map not match the body they have, that is surely not just a social thing.

The mismatch with the body map also sometimes happens with some people that are changing weight or missing limbs, so they tend to change eating habits to make there body match the body map they have, the people with missing limbs usually get no resolution, sometimes the body map can be changed, but that does not work on everyone.

My real worry is that I don't want to pick a future body that has this issue ever again, and if I know what causes the issue, then I might be able to avoid it in the future.

if I chose this problem intentionally, then I may not have known what I was getting into.


I just hope I am learning all I need to from this life so I don't have to repeat anything like it again.


Sarellah,


I am all over the web with the same username, but currently not active many places anymore, even deleted some of the social networking accounts I had...
 
I think that if we were to discuss this in terms of personality, rather than culture or physical sex, it's a bit easier to discuss and understand.


Some say that as souls, we exist in some sort of neutral state. I myself, I don't agree with that. I think that you are who you are and this exists within the soul as a "base" energy level and this is what is transferred into your body and it's what we call "personality".


And technically, all personality is, is a point on a spectrum. And in fact, points on many spectrums. And sometimes, what our personality is, may not always line up with your physical bodies and this creates an issue because of cultural expectations.


Having been as lucky as I have been to have the volume of research that I have been able to do I've come to two main conclusions about reincarnation.


1. We chose our body and present life for a reason.


I think that in accepting this fact, we can come to peace with our inner selves and those around us and in our families.


I think that it becomes too easy to scapegoat god, the universe or something for our choice, especially when we face difficulties in life. And all that does is create noise and static that prevents us from learning the lessons meant for us in this life and from being able to hear and see the subtle hints and nudges that are meant to guide us through life.


2. We all have a "purpose point" in life.


After we are born, we have to play "catch up" for a bit and relearn how to navigate a world that has changed while we have been away.


But we all have a point we will all eventually reach where everything just sort of "clicks" and comes together. This isn't some over romanticized moment of predestination, but just a simple point where you can begin to look back at your life and start to see a long chain of connections forming. Say perhaps if you hadn't X, you never would have Y and met Z. Those kinds of things.


And it's also at this point that you begin to move forward in your spiritual growth and also in you current life. But that point is also flexible. If we can't get the hang of #1, reaching the "purpose point" can be delayed, moved and even not achieved in your current life.


There are many attempts that go on behind the scenes to reschedule this point because in spite of what people may think at times, "the other side" wants to see us succeed and actively help us to do so. And the key to life is truly "it's not what happened, but how you handled it".


There are so many different people, situations and life plans out there, I want to avoid getting into specifics and I'm only qualified to speak on behalf of myself anyway.. :D


But I struggled with gender identity my whole life. I can't say it anymore simply than my base personality or energy is female. I went through every explanation and option out there and none of them fit. And then one day I was sort of shoved face first into reincarnation and after a few years, it all made sense.


I was past my personal purpose point before I had discovered reincarnation and it had helped me see that the choices I had made were the right ones. If I hadn't made them, none of what I have now would have been possible. My former sister in law is now my wife, my former brother is now my son ect.


I really began to put some deep thought into it and then it struck me; I choose to be male. How else could I have married my sister in law (who stayed female) and then had my son (who also stayed male)?


And then I had my second question, why would I do that? Why didn't I (or we) arrange it so I could have been female again? The answer to me was immediately obvious: because I'm here to help them. And knowing me, that's exactly the sort of helping, supportive and selfless decision I would make.


There's lots of other little lessons I'm learning by being male too, but I won't get into those here. But having all of the research I've been able to do and through my own intuition, I can see how it happened before and how that translates into the issues I am dealing with in this life.


And so in summary, you (or anyone) just has to have faith that even if you don't know what it is, you have to feel secure in knowing that there is something laid out for you and that there are people and resources available to you to help you along the way.


But you also have to love yourself enough to give yourself the opportunity to see the path that is meant for you. I once told someone that just because you've never had something before, is no reason to think that you won't get it.


You can only control you and that starts by learning to accept that you chose the life that you have now. Even if that's a stretch, you still have to accept what's on your spiritual/emotional/incarnate plate at the moment.


The ones that don't are the excuse makers, the blame placers, the finger pointers and the people that flounder rather than succeeding through life.


Regardless of the circumstances of our birth, we all have the power of choice.
 
Thank you, Tortoro. I think you "said it all". It covered the issues transgendered people face, and applied to the rest of us, as well. Very beautiful, and very wise.
 
Even though gender is a physical thing, I feel it is also a spiritual thing as well. I feel that ones soul is male or female because it's part of their makeup as a person. Gender is a lot more than the sexual organs we are born with. If a transgendered person reincarnated from the opposite sex, they would very possibly have the thoughts and feelings of the person they reincarnated from.


The body is more like the "vehicle" the soul is driving. In my case, I got a lemon. Lol I feel there may be some reason for a soul to enter a body. Maybe to learn from past mistakes weather male or female.


I do feel a transgendered person can also be just biological as well. I guess it all depends on the individual.
 
Totoro...I've had to read your missive several times to make sure I got all of what you wrote. It feels right and makes sense, and knowing your methods of research and documentation I believe what you've written carries huge credibility. Well done.


mnrjp, while I agree that souls may have a predominance of one sex over another in a majority of lives, and the comfort and familiarity that naturally ensues from such familiarty, I do not think we have female or male souls. To me a soul takes a body and chooses to live a life within it...the trials and tribulations of that life are chosen by the soul, whether they are physically, societally, or mentally based.


It also stands to reason that if one has had a preponderance of female lives and lives them well, it might be incumbent on one to "do the difficult thing" and develop the less-used male aspects of one's soul. It is my belief that our difficulties here as humans are not the concern of our greater soul which is concerned only about obtaining the experience...since another life is just a rebirth away, "let's try this situation on for size" seems to me to be a very real possibility and motivation.
 
I agree with Usetawuz, especially when he says that if we excel at being one sex, we might try life as another one for balance. The more I delve into the study of reincarnation theory, the more true that feels. For those of us who are splitting incarnations, we may be living both as a man and a woman, in different bodies, simultaneously. I think for some reason, we are "rushing" to experience as much as we can, before something changes on the planet, and we have fewer "vehicles" (bodies) with which to experience physical reality.
 
You're first theory is the correct answer. Now let me elaborate; when someone commits suicide, or otherwise dies unnaturally, their soul is sent to purgatory. Basically you become a ghost, and you have to wait for a new body to be fashioned for you. But some evil souls who always had some bizarre desire to be of the opposite sex, jump into a incompatible body. Because the soul is male entering a female body or vise versa, it develops improperly. A true abomination, definitely a product of the devil's schemes, convincing someone they aren’t wearing the right reproductive organs. I personally feel bad for anyone who would make this mistake because you're soul sleeps until you have an enlightenment/awakening, therefore the confusion associated with being transgender must be severely terrible. (On a side note a lot of you seem to believe we can choose any body we want, if this was the truth I would be a spoiled rich kid. Instead we have a limited amount of options, just like in normal everyday life. The devil(Evil Entity) will say "you can be a female if you want to be"(to the male souls) but he is the master of lies and instead of being a girl you become a transgender deformation.)
 
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Achilles said:
when someone commits suicide, or otherwise dies unnaturally, their soul is sent to purgatory...
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Not in my experiece. What makes you think this is so?


I also strongly disagree that the soul has a gender. Only bodies have genders. 'Gender' is largely socially constructed (as opposed to 'sex' which serves a very prosaic practical purpose to create more bodies).


Also, I have grave doubts that there is any such thing as 'the devil'. I think that is a story made up to frighten people into being 'good'. In my view 'good' and 'evil' are also social constructs.
 
I beleive a soul Is meant to be either male or female when it is created. In the same sense that all souls are meant to be human. God would never put a human soul in a animal, because that animal is our food, and this would create a weird form of cannibalism. God would never put a male soul in a female body because that would make a straight man gay. That's why on the off chance this does happen, you end up with a transgender person. As far as good and evil are concerned, you don't beleive in evil? you must have a very comfortable bubble you live in. So rape, murder, and torment arn't evil? You have to understand where thought comes from, their are three voices in everyone’s head. The voice of God, the voice of the Devil, and the voice of your soul. We choose who we listen to and are rewarded accordingly.


"My dear brothers, never forget, when you hear the progress of enlightenment vaunted, that the devil's best trick is to persuade you that he doesn't exist!" -Baudelaire
 
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My research differs from your post, Achilles. From several sources I have learned that those who die from suicide or who die an unexpected or violent death are sent to a healing place in Heaven where the soul is given time to heal. Once healed they move on to the other levels of Heaven and then onto a new body and a new life.


Many posters here have discussed their memories of lives of both sexes at different times. To me that makes sense because the goal of the soul is to grow in many ways and learn many different lessons. If we only ever experienced life as the same sex then we have only learned some of the lessons that are available to us.


I personally also see nothing wrong with a person being gay. To me life is all about love and it is powered by love. Some just choose to love differently than I do but that does not make them wrong, that just makes them different than me.
 
No one is free from sin, I don't judge people for being gay but that doesn't mean being gay isn't a sin. People always have false beliefs and tell stories that aren’t true, who's to say my few of reality is right or wrong. I've killed myself more than most people; and it sent me to purgatory, if you went to a place of healing then your lucky you aren’t me. As far as learning from being different sexes, I think that is completely hedonistic. The only thing you can learn from being a girl; that you can't learn from being a guy, is how sex feels different(and vice versa). By the way getting the same wrong answer; no matter how many sources state it, is still the wrong answer.
 
No one is free from sin, I don't judge people for being gay but that doesn't mean being gay isn't a sin.
getting the same wrong answer; no matter how many sources state it, is still the wrong answer.
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Speaking in my capacity as a moderator here, I would like to say that everything we discuss here is and should be open to interpretation and free discussion with respect to differing points of view. And as such I would like to dissuade you from speaking in such final terms as you are here as it only serves to stop the free flow of discussion.


Your speech here is also borderline preaching, which is something we don't allow here. So from here out, please take a more open ended approach when participating in a discussion.


The only thing you can learn from being a girl; that you can't learn from being a guy, is how sex feels different(and vice versa)
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That's quite untrue. I'm in this life currently to live as a male and as a father to gain a better understanding and insight into my own father as it's a contrast to my own preference which is female.


If what you were saying is true though, why do our cultures still grapple with issues of sex and gender? Shouldn't everyone be happy since it's all more or less the same as you're saying


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I was just trying to convey the fact that I don't care if people are gay, but it disgusts me to think their are women who used to be men. I also don't think the number of sources or doing research matters as far as spiritual knowledge is concerned.


I don't really understand, what can you learn as a father that you couldn't learn as a mother? please elaborate


For this next part; you asked me a question, so I will assume I'm allowed to give you what I beleive to be facts on the subject. First off that is a very vague question. But I suppose their are still issues over sex and gender because their are a-lot of stereotypes. As long as people hold onto their stereotypes their will always be issues involved.
 
Please don't use terms like "disgust" to refer to someone's sexuality. Many of us here believe that we have experienced life times as both sexes. The idea takes some getting used to, but we are on the forum to learn. My own personal feeling is that God doesn't make mistakes with sexual assignment. I think gay, lesbian, and trans-gendered people chose a bold course of action to help the rest of us learn from their often beautiful souls. On another thread, you said that heaven and hell don't exist, but you believe in purgatory. It might help if you were to write your thoughts and feelings in a journal. It will clarify your ideas and beliefs, then you can return to the forum, and share them with us.
 
I didn't say I don't beleive in heaven and hell; I said they are both on earth, and states of being. Sorry if I have taste buds; and some things taste bad to me, but that idea doesn't taste right to me. I also agree God doesn't make mistakes, that is why it is my belief that people who consider themselves to be gay are just confused. The only reason for sex is reproduction(create bodies, and newborn souls), their is no point to gay sex aside from hedonistic purposes. I think they chose a cowardice coarse of action because they couldn't accept their own gender. This forum is ridiculous if I can't disagree with other peoples opinions and offer my own insight.
 
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