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Why so many Nazi reincarnates?

Well, at least here on this forum, the question concerning the frequent appearance of other groups has came up on the past.


However for the sake of discussion here id like to edge it away from being about just dead Nazis and quick decisions regarding them on forums.


Perhaps let us consider the contrary about holocaust survivors or any other group. Obviously the courtesy we extend is that in truth anyone could have a survivor, or veteran. But what criteria would you expect as evidence regarding such claims? Obviously that's the more reasonable way to counter the problem..
 
I will agree with you, that seems like an excellent topic to discuss, although perhaps in a different topic as it has the potental to vary wildly from the op premise. I think that having a topic with a name more appropriate to the subject being discussed would also help to bring in people who are hesitent to post here due to the.... subject matter. I would be happy to create such a topic but it will be a couple hours. I am accessing the forum currently on my phone and it tends to be a bit.... disagreeable when it cimes to posting replies and new topics
 
I’ve always said that I’ll get off the fence about reincarnation and become a believer when just one person I can identify with, who represents the hundreds of thousands of lives I know my parents’, grandparents’, great-grandparents’ generations lived through, shows up. (Shows up on any board or in any book, I mean, not just here.) Or when just one of Stalin’s millions of victims shows up. Or when there are as many victims of other maritime disasters put together as there are of the single Titanic.


So far, no luck. Not one of the folks that I know of in real life was a member of royalty, was famous (one did get his name in a local newspaper when he was hanged) or sank along with the Titanic. (A surprisingly large number of folks related to me did die in shipwrecks or had narrow escapes, which is one reason I’m waiting for other shipwreck victims. Perhaps they’d have known one of my relatives??)


In my life I’ve only run across two Nazis; one wasn’t a real one, just a sympathizer, he was an old Irish-Canadian guy back home who mutilated animals in his workshop, the other, whom I only knew of through his family, was a real but low-ranking one living in South America, who had a laboratory in his cellar for mutilating animals. Just a coincidence, I’m sure, but I haven’t wished to run across any more. From those who’d had more up close and personal contact with Nazis after the war I got the impression that they were mostly ordinary, stodgy, and bourgeois. Over the years they’ve turned into tall, dark and handsome men with cool uniforms and supernatural powers, lightning flashing from their fingers sort of thing. The fault of Raiders of the Lost Ark, perhaps, although I can’t deny the uniforms and boots were cool.


I think it’s unfair to suggest that millions of people had lives so uneventful there’d be no point in remembering them in comparison to the glamorous Nazis. That certainly wasn’t the case for the families I’m familiar with. How about leaving your parents and home at the age of fourteen and never seeing or having any contact with them again because you’re half a world away and you can’t read and write? Or marrying, fathering children, and dying - all before you reach the age of seventeen? Or of having your baby disemboweled in front of you because you resisted a political agenda? A while back there was a thread that mentioned cannibalism. When I was a child visiting my grandmother one Sunday afternoon I met an elderly couple she had staying with her, they were related to her in some manner and had just come to Canada, having survived the Stalin years and eventually escaping in the ’50’s. They’d eaten human flesh in the ‘30’s and were nonchalant about it. I have a zillion more stories, most of which no one here would want to hear. The life of a pudgy German officer would be a dull affair compared to the trauma, chaos, and adventures of just one of my progenitors or their cronies and acquaintances.


So it certainly remains a point of contention for me, as to why certain groups are so well-represented and others not at all. I’ve been reading books and accounts of reincarnation since the ’70’s and it’s quite noticeable that the same cussed annoying famous people or groups keep showing up.
 
Sister Grey said:
I’ve always said that I’ll get off the fence about reincarnation and become a believer when just one person I can identify with, who represents the hundreds of thousands of lives I know my parents’, grandparents’, great-grandparents’ generations lived through, shows up. (Shows up on any board or in any book, I mean, not just here.)
So it certainly remains a point of contention for me, as to why certain groups are so well-represented and others not at all. I’ve been reading books and accounts of reincarnation since the ’70’s and it’s quite noticeable that the same cussed annoying famous people or groups keep showing up.
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good point :)


i think it may because people generally wanna hear about the sensational things, so those are the PL's that people tend to post about. i have some memories of being a kid in the 1800s who ended up dying by falling down a mine shaft while working in a mine. but it's harder to find info on something like that, because it's not as sensational or overall interesting, and not so widely google-able or easily found in a book to be able to explore it further. it's easier to validate memories you have from the Titanic or Nazi Germany or Stalin's reign than it is being a normal run-of-the-mill housewife in Nebraska or some other such "ordinary" life, because unless you have a name, it's probably close to impossible to find any sort of info on it.


but that's just my opinion, tho. :thumbsup:
 
Unless it's New Year's Day fogginess, I believe that the lives of common, ordinary, everyday people weren't even considered worth examining by historians until 1920. It took a few decades after that to convince the rooty-snooty high-falutin' academic snobs that John the miller could be just as interesting as King John the [insert number here], if not more interesting. Yeah, yeah. This king fought so many battles and expanded his fiefdom to encompass x amount of places in Europe (who then turned around and blasted the hell out of each other as soon as they got gunpowder*), and he built this castle or that castle and married his sister, yadda yadda yadda. But hey, these kings and other inbred goofballs couldn't be kings if they didn't have commoners supporting them. "Life In A Medieval Village" was an utterly fascinating book, and I was amazed to see how much things haven't changed for the average person in the street! Yet the average person in the street isn't interested in his predecessors. She doesn't want to know that the lot of a housewife hasn't changed much. (And for some, that's because she would then be forced to admit how good she has it today! *ahem!* my mother-in-law)


I agree 100%. People want sensationalism. Even to this day, who gives a hoot about the teenager who stopped a robbery at a convenience store in Modesto, California? Who cares about a housewife who returned a wallet full of money to it's rightful owner in London, England? Not us!!! Gosh-a-rootie! We just wanna know what those crazy Kardashians are going to do next!


Celebrities. Feh. :tongue:
 
I guess it all depends upon the place and situation, and the person.


It hasn't been too hard for me to progress along with regards to information on my 19c lifetime. While I still have yet to get a name, I don't think it would be impossible.


I wasn't famous and even during the war I wasn't well known until after the Scapa Flow raid...and I didn't take that mission on to seek any sort of fame - it was thrust upon me. Those who know me well enough, will know this as the truth.


Some people want to seek out the more famous, some don't. I do agree with what dr_what said about the possibilities and opportunities regarding research though. This is mainly due, I feel to the record keeping and how it became better over time.


Also, some things which may seem commonplace at the time, become 'uncommon' later - for example the Cape Horn ships and those who served upon them. From the information that I could gather when I read some of Alan Villiers' books, that no one really cared about these ships and those who served aboard them until after his books and films came out. Then there were many young men and boys who wanted to serve on them.


In essence - as with other things, it tends to be a 'hit or miss' thing to me.
 
I have thought of the question, why there are more people with WWII memories than with memories from the previous world war.


In my opinion many of them like Rommel and Kesselring fought also in the WWI, but the second one had a greater effect on their lives - they died in it or simply had to go through the changes, that came along with the end of the world war II.


It is also true, that it is far easier to get into the topic of nazis, while for example the ANZAC troops of WWII are but little debated, and it doesn't affect the popular culture that much. If somebody had such a life, they have less chance to have their memories triggered by easily accessible information from around their cultural environment, therefore they might be less likely to remember their former lives.


These are just my thoughts on the topic, but there were so many questions asked and comparisons made in this thread, that it is simply impossible to get into details concerning all.


However I was glad to read detailed memories of a former BDM member on this forum. That is still Germany during the Nazi regime, but I have hardly spoken to anyone, who have ever heard of BDM - not a very well researched and processed topic.


Skarphedinn
 
I agree on the whole with what Owl has said and have skated through a lot of the other comments. For my two cents worth I will say, it's partly just boring old statistics. Many, many millions of people died at that time and many of those people are now adults again (courtesy of the post war baby boom).


We tend to remember the most recent life most vividly and/or the most dramatic and/or traumatic so I'd be astonished if there wasn't a preponderance of WWII memories. I have my own, but I was in London and a civilian. The Blitz


I have dozens of other past life memories, but this one is the clearest and most detailed, probably because it's the most recent. It was also fairly eventful I guess!


There are many millions of people who died of starvation in Russia and Poland and so on, in the concentration camps of course, also Japanese who died in Hiroshima. Maybe there's something about being 'European' that has led people to reincarnate in English speaking cultures... The trauma of WWII lives on in many peoples' lives still in their present lives of course. It's not that long ago, after all.


Something about the French Revolution and various other 'exciting' periods of history also seems to lead to a lot of people to come forward with vivid memories of the time.


It's a bit of everything in short.
 
I don't think there are "so many nazi reincarnations" because more than half of people to claim such identities tend to be false or it some sort of fantasy or missidentification. I think because of the radical nature of such claims, it makes such an identity "wanted" by certain personality types. Are there nazi reincarnations? Yes, there are. But you have to actually look at whether they can provide the goods. Unfortunately many people find the idea of being "SS" or a "Nazi" "entertaining" and want to be that because it sounds cool or dramatic. I don't think though that there are more Nazi Reincarnations than any other kind of reincarnation, and the fact that there may also seem to be a lot is due to that fact, that that kind of lifetime is much easier to realize than others due to the radical nature and the fact that you can't mistake having one, unless you mistake your self as a German, when you were in fact a Jewish prisoner. It may seem hard to grasp, but it can happen. Especially in the Concentration camp environment, where everyone was meshed together and you only get little bits and pieces. I also think it takes extraordinary bravery to admit to being a reincarnated nazi because there is still the stigma attached to it and people still tend to judge and try to shut you up and tell you what you can can not say about it, but if a Jewish victim does so, they are immediately apologized too. The Germans were in the wrong, and so were some of the prisoners but I think society (well, reincarnationist societies) need to bare in mind that everyone is different ( some more than others, and others not so much) than they were then and can't be held liable and judged over the past. It can be just as hard for those who were perpetrators as it is for the victims, to realize the things they had done back then.
 
The difference to me is that people often over focus on the spectacular aspects of the life rather than the life itself along with what meaning that may have for the individual.


And for the record, a Nazi was simply a political party member. Anyone that says "I was a Nazi" right off the bat sets off a warning bell to me simply because I doubt that they understand what that actually entails other than swastikas and goose stepping.


However, if someone approached this forum saying simply that they were a Wehrmacht corporal named Helmut Gurr I think the response would be completely different and in fact quite welcoming.


Someone with true memories would most likely reflect this in my opinion. There were many more Germans that were simply enlisted men and women than there were hard line party members. And if any of them had honest memories, I'm quite certain a majority of them would come from the former group.
 
In my experiences, anyone who claimed any kind of connection with the nazis, be it Wehrmacht, the Heeres, Hitler youth, Kriegsmarine, and the list goes on, still are stamped with a label. Now, most people who come forward with connections to the third reich very rarely claim the uneventful life of a German citizen or regular soldier, because most likely the claiming of "Johann Muller" doesn't stand out so much as a "Himmler" claimant so most wouldn't notice. They are out there, but most people tend to go for the higher ups when claiming a Third Reich life. Most of those people, tend to be role players, delusional, think it's cool to be a "Nazi." Which has ruined the image for many legit claimants.
 
Again I think it goes back to the conviction of the claimant. If they present themselves without the sensationalism and they still get a rejection from where ever, I think the issue is with wherever they had spoken up about it.


I'm just saying at lest in my experience here, the person in this case wouldn't receive such a rejection. Although as you've noted, that's not typically the case with people making such claims.
 
Maybe some the people who think they were higher-profile nazis, or conversely death-camp prisoners, are simply misinterpreting extremely vivid symbolic dreams so as to mistakenly think they should be taken literally?


I've noticed that dreams of concentration camps, while not the most common theme, do appear to persist. And in popular western imagination, there are only a few well-known flavors of concentration camp for their dreams to pick from. German death camps and/or stalags, russian gulags, mostly. Many more have suffered and died in chinese camps, but that is never talked about in the media.


I chatted once with someone who had such vivid dreams of being a guard at a death camp that they were sure it was their past life. But they got some basic historically known facts wrong. What to make of it, when they seemed totally sincere and not even self-aggrandizing?
 
Regardless of the intent, facts back everything up. That's a common tool among researchers and I'd recommend tying to remember or recall as much as possible before doing any research to rule out cryptomnesia. This is the kind of thing that's easy to expose or rule out, if one is being honest with themselves.


For instance, when I was replying above, I just blurted out "helmut gurr". Why would I do that? I've never heard the name Gurr before. :laugh: I'm wondering if i didn't meet a German named that in my past life. I quickly Googled the name and it is German. It's easy now that we have the internet..


But to answer your question, if it's someone you know and like, the best you can do is nod and smile politely.
 
No, it was no one I was close with or liked too much. Even before their past life confession, something about them always left me with an uneasy feeling.


What I'd meant about concentration camps being a sort of archetypical dream was- for example, I have had seemingly very realistic dreams of being a very slave-like worker in some eastern european gulag from the mid 1960's until the early 1970's. Assembling small electronics devices which looked military in nature. Nothing I can find out historically would rule out such dreams.


Except for the fact that I was already alive by that point in time, a child far away from either eastern europe or russia. Still, my childhood memories of this life, when I've investigated them, take on a nightmarish blur with the exact appearances of things in this life looking like their counterparts in those pseudo-gulag dreams.
 
Without reading all of the posts I was wondering if the person that is the reincarnation of Mengele could PM me. My daughter has memories of being a twin and has specific questions for you. She has no ill will for what happened then, she is just trying to put together the pieces.


She also knows part of her number from then. Does anyone have a point of reference for that?


Thanks
 
Mama2HRB said:
Without reading all of the posts I was wondering if the person that is the reincarnation of Mengele could PM me. My daughter has memories of being a twin and has specific questions for you. She has no ill will for what happened then, she is just trying to put together the pieces.
She also knows part of her number from then. Does anyone have a point of reference for that?


Thanks
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List of twins with Auschwitz numbers, name, date of birth and liberation. It' s not complete though.


https://candlesholocaustmuseum.org/
 
Thank you, Gryph, I will check that out.


Thank you, also, Owl. I found that list but did not find a match for the numbers she got.


She has memories of other lives, but I can tell this one is hurtful for her, a very sad lifetime. Her first mention of that lifetime came when she was very young, maybe 3 or 4 and there was a show on about the Nazi where they had Jewish people lined up and were taking them to where they had dug huge pits and were shooting them at the edge.


I wasn't paying attention and didn't realize it even was on the tv when she started hitting me with her fist and screaming


They are gonna kill the kids, they are gonna kill the kids!"


That was before I knew much about reincarnation so I just consoled her. Poor kiddo. I wish I knew then what I know now.
 
I think I could of been married to a Nazi. Well,that's what I'm getting from my memories.


Is there a way to confirm it and find out more about us?
 
To confirm it? well sure, there are tons of ways. What made you think though in the first place that he could have been a Nazi?
 
Based on what I've seen in reocurring dreams and also through meditation, and on some memories that have been triggered by WW2 related stuff as well.


Since I'm not sure about that, is it true and all, I tought I could do some research and see where it takes me. :thumbsup:


What would be the ways? I don't know our names.:confused:
 
Nazis kept records of a lot of things, if you remember his uniform, that' s a start. If he worked in a camp, there are lots of lists.


When I asked you what made you think that, I meant details, you think he was a Nazi because you saw him with a uniform? because he mentioned the war? because you two were living in a Kz?
 
inhaltslos said:
For every question, I've heard at least six answers, and I have just accepted the fact that I don't know and have been working with the things I do know.
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I think this has an easy answer: we took some really strong oaths in that life and I've read things that would suggest past life oaths do carry over and affect us in this life. That on top with the traumatic way most of us died as well as the overall occult nature that was pervasive in part of 3rd Reich culture. Remember some of the top brass believed in reincarnation and I would bet that they also had a plan that held people to their oaths through lifetimes.
 
dr_what said:
i agree :) for the longest time as a kid i made myself (out of clay in art class) 2 sig runes that i'd wear as a necklace - sadly when the principal saw it (i accidentally wore them outside my shirt that day), he called my parents and i was made to throw them away and got detention...
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S***t, I made one like that too in 7th grade but I wore it under the shirt only, it was meant to repel bad looks from the guys I did not like in school, ironically, to protect me!


Besides what this thread seems to go about, not that I excuse the Nazis in any way, but remember that there's been thousands of wars with just as much horrible stuff happening. And in all those wars, somebody was the aggressor.


So being PL Nazi or not, does not automatically guarantee hell, because all those people from the other wars would have been in hell too, so nobody would have been here...


Plus, the universe reacts to one's individual action. You are responsible only how you act in a given situation, and not how others act. Otherwise how would it be fair.
 
Hi everyone...I haven't been around for a while because I've been so busy lately. I hope to get back in touch with everyone soon.


However, I ended up checking out the forum today and came across this topic. I feel like I should respond. There were some people earlier asking, "Where are the Japanese?". It's not something I intended to discuss because it's not what I'm focused on currently. As well, I was initially avoiding bringing it up...but this topic made me change my mind about that.


I was a Japanese soldier during WW2. Most of my memories about the war concern Borneo. I was an extremely ordinary person in that life and, due to that, I haven't located a PL identity...but I also haven't tried seriously searching. Again, it's not something I'm focused on right now.


However, I'm mentioning it just to add to the statistics of the forum for whoever might be counting.


I'm also interested in whether people tend to reincarnate in the same countries or general areas...and I'm also interested in when people suddenly break that pattern.


It'd be interesting if we could get worldwide statistics on this sort of thing and figure out where most people claiming Nazi past lives are located...and same goes for other groups. I wonder what kinds of trends would pop up. But that would obviously be very, very difficult.
 
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