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Dying and Death

I believe the ideas and advice in this video come from a misunderstanding of reality, of why we are here and what we are meant to do. Instead of adhering to such consensus narratives, it is better to connect intuitively with your inner source of knowledge and guidance (leaving aside all your beliefs and expectations), learn and apply, pay attention, make adjustments, learn and grow.

For those who disagree: don’t get angry. On this point, I actually agree with the author of the video: anger only harms the soul.
 
Thanks for posting, Cryscat, and thanks for posting a summary, baro-san. (I wouldn't have watched the video, if I didn't read the summary first. I really dislike these videos with AI generated voices and images...)

This was very interesting. Actually, the concepts talked about in the videos are consistent with what astral travellers and people with pre-birth-memories or between-lives-memories report. It's quite amazing that Edgar Casey talked about the same ideas (If true. I don't know much about him really.)

@baro-san Can you specify a bit? What is it you disagree with? According to you, what is the misunderstanding here, what are we meant to do? What should we learn? And how should we grow?
Just curious, and just trying to better understand your ideas and beliefs.

(People often say we are here to learn and grow and evolve. But without saying what we are about to learn and how we should evolve, those are just empty words. People can learn to act selfish and greedy and evolve into self-centered beings, for example.)

Regarding anger: I agree, too. Also, in the current political climate in many western countries there are more and more people being resentful and constantly holding grudges against other groups of people, cultivating their anger and hatred. It's on both sides of the political spectrum, that's quite astounding and not a good development for anybody. Those people are harming themselves in the end, not only in the after-life possibly, but also in everyday life.
 
Ocean said:
@baro-san Can you specify a bit? What is it you disagree with? According to you, what is the misunderstanding here, what are we meant to do? What should we learn? And how should we grow?
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You see ... My post was intended to suggest that people shouldn't adhere to, and follow others' interpretations of reality, beliefs, explanations, but they should tap directly into their inner source of knowledge and guidance. This avoids adopting others' distortions, including mine.

My view is that we are here in the position of a kid sent to school to learn and grow, who doesn't know what he has to do there, who forms opinions at his level of understanding, not knowing whom to follow, what is good for him. My advice would be to follow his teachers' advice, and the guidelines given to him by his parents. The pupil might be tempted to follow what other pupils do or advise him, but that is very likely to mislead him. He doesn't know what is right and what is wrong, doesn't know what to do and what not to do, doesn't know what he is there to learn; the pupil doesn't even think about such dilemmas.

For example, the parent sent the kid to school neither to learn to love his parents, nor to learn to love the other pupils, nor to help the other pupils, nor to make that school a better place, nor to have fun, although those might be side effects of his growing into a deeper understanding of what he is.

The parent can give the kid what he needs now and fir some time, "can give the kid fish every day", but the parent loves the kid and knows that for the kid is better and necessary to grow, "to learn how to fish", so the parent sends his kid to school, a specialized educational framework.

In school you don't learn as much from your own direct experiences, but much more and much less painfully, from indirectly learning about others' experiences, interpreting those lessons, learning how to interpret, learning how to learn; so, you grow.

My "don't get angry" has no relation to news, political climate or such. It was just meant to cushion the possible impression of my post on those that disagree. It stems from my view that your emotions will bring your way life-situations that will cause more of the same kind of emotions. You don't want to keep being angry, so you should consciously break the loop. This doesn't mean to love, just don't be angry. The same with all other emotions you don't want to keep experiencing.

Many people who advise us honestly mean well, still, my suggestion is that "Instead of adhering to such consensus narratives, it is better to connect intuitively with your inner source of knowledge and guidance (leaving aside all your beliefs and expectations), learn and apply, pay attention, make adjustments, learn and grow."
 
baro-san said:
Instead of adhering to such consensus narratives, it is better to connect intuitively with your inner source of knowledge and guidance (leaving aside all your beliefs and expectations), learn and apply, pay attention, make adjustments, learn and grow.
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This I agree with.

People often say we are here to learn and grow and evolve. But without saying what we are about to learn and how we should evolve, those are just empty words
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I'll say it in plain terms, it's simply to realize that God / the source is in all of us and that we were all created equally, different and that we are all universal in our suffering and that's what binds us together and that we should strive towards unity and kindness towards all things.

Aside from that, yes, we are here to learn and grow. Partly towards that unity while retaining our individuality, but also within ourselves.

It's both inner and outer growth and it can be difficult to do, so rather than grow, most people become caught in and rely on the comfort of patterns of behavior and other forms of coping.
 
Sharing this with the forum. I know the author who created this video Jurgen Ziewe from Germany. Years ago, he created a website called the multidimensional man as well as published a few books. In an email to him I mentioned he should create a video of some of his knowledge and experiences he had while out of the body. I guess he finally did. I was impressed on how well he did in creating this video. Hope you enjoy it.

Love and peace Polaris.

Astral Journey into the Afterlife

 
Polaris8 said:
Sharing this with the forum. I know the author who created this video Jurgen Ziewe from Germany. Years ago, he created a website called the multidimensional man as well as published a few books. In an email to him I mentioned he should create a video of some of his knowledge and experiences he had while out of the body. I guess he finally did. I was impressed on how well he did in creating this video. Hope you enjoy it.
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Thanks for sharing on the forum. I'm following his YT content for a few years now, and I find it most fascinating. I can recommend it, too, for others to look at.
 

Summary of “Astral Journey into the Afterlife”​


Introduction​

  • Leaving the physical body and entering other dimensions is described as a profound miracle.
  • Contrary to skeptics, these states feel more real and awake than ordinary waking life.
  • Senses are sharpened: some report 360° vision, telepathic communication, and heightened clarity.
  • Initial entry after leaving the body is usually into a finer vibratory duplicate of the physical world, often called the astral world.
  • This astral environment feels so real that both astral travelers and the newly dead may struggle to believe they are not still in the physical world.


Environment​

  • Many who die don’t realize it immediately, because their surroundings appear unchanged.
  • Recognition often comes through:
    • entering higher “heavenly” states of love and homecoming, or
    • being greeted by deceased friends or relatives.
  • Some remain long in “near-Earth” levels—identical to earthly life—depending on their state of mind at death.
  • Personal attitudes and emotions shape the environment:
    • Negative emotions (resentment, hate, anger) → dark, cold, stormy, bleak surroundings.
    • Positive emotions (love, joy, empathy) → bright, lush, vibrant, populated by youthful people, animals, art, and lively cities.
  • Environments range from dull reflections of Earth to radiant paradises.
  • Helpers exist in gloomier regions: both passed-on souls and astral travelers, offering guidance and support.


Afterlife​

  • Cultural portrayals of the afterlife (media, religion) are often distorted.
  • Growing consensus from diverse reports suggests life continues after death and loved ones remain present though unseen.
  • The mystery remains: the origins and mechanisms of these realms are still unknown.
  • Astral senses far surpass physical ones; the astral state feels sharper, clearer, and more real.
  • Waking life is seen as a dream by comparison—many near-death experiencers report feeling they’ve “woken up” in the afterlife.
  • Many continue similar routines as in earthly life, accepting spontaneous manifestations (e.g., instantly creating objects) as normal.
  • People often accept the afterlife dreamlike, without much questioning.


Awareness​

  • A key challenge is lack of awareness:
    • People in negative environments often fail to connect their surroundings with their inner state.
    • Helpers act as educators to raise awareness and help people escape self-inflicted conditions.
  • Many fall back into habitual patterns, drift into unconscious states, and eventually reincarnate without understanding the process.
  • Only the curious, adventurous, artistic, or scientific types—driven by higher inspiration—expand their horizons and enter new levels of experience.


Talents & Growth​

  • Personal passions (music, art, science) open gateways to vast new worlds of experience in the astral state.
  • Sensory expansion allows deeper exploration—for example, musicians hearing subtle layers of natural sound.
  • Pursuing these interests leads to growth and unfolding of potential.
  • Upon returning to Earth, such souls may reincarnate with distinct talents.


Conclusion​

  • Life on Earth and in the afterlife form a continuous growth process.
  • The purpose across both planes is the expansion of consciousness and the development of the soul.

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I'm interested in understanding and interacting with an 'astral plane' here and now, eyes opened or eyes closed. I am interested in learning of a body greater than my physical body, which so often reveals itself to me in unique ways. If I believe in Life after Life, I think it is possible to become acquainted with that life now. I remember reading a description of Sri Yukteswar's passing as described by Paramahansa Yogananda. He said his Guru faced the eternal with eyes open. But even he, a master, showed a moment of hesitation likened to a cagebird initially timid by life outside its cage. I do not wish to fear death.
 
cloud potato said:
I'm interested in understanding and interacting with an 'astral plane' here and now, eyes opened or eyes closed. I am interested in learning of a body greater than my physical body, which so often reveals itself to me in unique ways. If I believe in Life after Life, I think it is possible to become acquainted with that life now. I remember reading a description of Sri Yukteswar's passing as described by Paramahansa Yogananda. He said his Guru faced the eternal with eyes open. But even he, a master, showed a moment of hesitation likened to a cagebird initially timid by life outside its cage. I do not wish to fear death.
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The astral traveler from the video which Polaris linked above spent years and decades meditating regularly for long periods of time. He spent much time in isolated retreat somewhere every year. This way he learned to astral travel. When you listen to his interviews he talks about it frequently.
I think it‘s possible to travel and experience the astral world in a controlled and conscious manner, but maybe it requires years of dedication (like everything in life you want to truly learn and master).
Short and more spontaneous experiences can happen, too, I guess, as people report this again and again.
Anyway, I hope you‘ll find your way to experience the spiritual world and your astral body as you wish.
Wishing you all the best for this!
 
There are, and there were lots of people who honestly believe, and believed that their experiences are "true", "real", "undisputable", while those experiences differ greatly.
 
baro-san said:
There are, and there were lots of people who honestly believe, and believed that their experiences are "true", "real", "undisputable", while those experiences differ greatly.
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Not sure, if your comment is just a general remark, or if you are referring to someone or something specific in this thread ???

Anyway, I think it's not a contradiction that experiences differ when one wants to believe that

1) The astral world is limitless and consists of an infinite number of different "places", and new ones being constantly created.
2) What is experienced depends much on the state of mind, the emotions, expectations and cultural background etc. of the experiencer. Maybe also on the experience/state of evolution of the soul.

Like some NDEs include meeting Jesus, for example, others don't. Some people experience hellish surroundings, some earth-like and some paradise-like places. Some souls might have a better, deeper understanding of the astral worlds, the understanding of others can be more limited. Some souls can go to higher dimensions, some don't. I rather think, experiences like these need to and always will be quite individual.

(Of course, a sceptic to all out-of-body-experiences might say that this is just an excuse why experiences are different and that therefore none of them are true as they are not exactly the same.)

But when many experiences are compared to each other, like in NDE studies, or when several astral travelers talk to each other and share their experiences, to me personally it is astounding how many commonalities there actually are.

However, when someone claims that only their own experiences are real and true or even indisputable, that's never a good sign, IMO.
 
Ocean said:
Not sure, if your comment is just a general remark, or if you are referring to someone or something specific in this thread ???
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It was a general remark triggered by the latest posts on this thread. I meant it constructively, and not that what I'd believe that my experiences are the accurate ones.

My approach is that everything that I experience is distorted by my beliefs, so I develop working hypotheses intuitively.

It is important that the way we express our opinions reflects that we know that those are our beliefs, not truths. Most people don't do that, and so they reinforce their beliefs on themselves.

For example, reading your post, I don't see reflected that you are aware that you express just beliefs, not even that those are hypotheses. I am writing this now only because of the tone of your post, that I understood to demand an explanation, even a veiled critique.

Like with the author of the latest video, your opinions expressed here disagree with mine. Although I would express mine in a way that to you or others may seem similar, to me it is obvious that we have very different beliefs about reality, both physical and non-physical, and about what we are, both here and more.

I hope you get this post the way I meant it.
 
For example:

The Buddha taught for forty-five years. He is said to have said that all of his teachings could be encapsulated in one sentence.
If that is so, perhaps we might want to remember what it was, even if we don’t necessarily understand it at first. Imagine forty-five years of profound teaching distilled into one sentence: “Nothing is to be clung to as ‘I,’ ‘me,’ or ‘mine.’”
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If you search the internet for this quote you get several commentaries and some debates about its authenticity.

When I read the quote, it sounded as something I agreed with, while aware that I interpreted it through my beliefs. Then, I searched and read a few of those commentaries, all of them reflecting, and using jargons of conventional Buddhist (and other Eastern) narratives; none of them are compatible with my interpretation.

This is a sutra that may be the origin of the quote, the quote being a paraphrase: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.nymo.html
 
Hey baro-san,

no offense meant.

baro-san said:
It is important that the way we express our opinions reflects that we know that those are our beliefs, not truths.
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I totally agree with this. I even said this here:

Ocean said:
However, when someone claims that only their own experiences are real and true or even indisputable, that's never a good sign, IMO.
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My own beliefs have changed much over time and are constantly changing. I'm taking inspriration from many different sources, not just one, so I discover and consider new ideas then and again. A few years from now, my beliefs might be totally different than they are today. So everything is temporarily anyway.
I also don't believe, that there is any one person in the world who is able to see the whole picture and who knows the whole "truth" when it comes to spiritual and non-physical matters. I don't even think it's possible for a human mind to grasp everything about it, so all we can understand and experience are like different fragments that we see through different filters that may or may not be equally true.

baro-san said:
For example, reading your post, I don't see reflected that you are aware that you express just beliefs, not even that those are hypotheses.
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I'm sorry you read my posts this way. This wasn't at all what I intended it to sound like. And I think that's a misunderstanding.
I re-read my last two posts. I used wordings like "I think", "I guess", "maybe", "if one wants to believe that", "it's possible", "to me personally", "might" and "can be". To me that's clear and sufficient enough to express that I'm talking about assumptions, possibilities, ideas, beliefs or personal opinions, not about truths or facts. Maybe it wasn't all that clear to you, or maybe I've missed something.
(To further clarify: the wordings "I believe" - "I think" - "I guess" have almost the same meaning to me, so I use them somewhat interchangeably. It all means the same as "it is my belief/my assumption that").

When talking about the non-physical, I usually make sure to use wordings and expressions like the above, in order to clarify that nothing is certain and that I'm just talking either about my own current understanding, experience and beliefs, or about concepts and ideas I read/heard somewhere else. I'm aware that nothing of this has to be true, though.
I really don't want such posts of mine to be understood as if I'm stating facts, or being perceived as lecturing, or like other beliefs are not valid or can't be true as well. So if you give me a specific example from my posts above, I will gladly re-word it or add a further note.
 
When talking about things like NDE, OBE, astral experiences and such, I do think it's a highly subjective subject and that probabaly does create a scenario in which it becomes difficult to agree on one aspect of it or another.

As Ocean noted, much of what is experienced does seem to be colored by people's own expectations or core culturual or personal programming and as baro-san noted and I woould agree that to the individual, those experiences are real. And once again as noted, there do seem to be some smiliarities as well between all the expereiences.

In the similarities, that would suggest to me a common underlying framework or scaffolding is in place and in the differences, that would suggest that upon that framework, the expriences are also tailor made for the individual and so in that sense, yes they are real experiences, ones that perhaps are designed to soothe, educate or give them a message they are meant to integrate as part of their overall journey.
 
baro-san said:
I am writing this now only because of the tone of your post, that I understood to demand an explanation, even a veiled critique.
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You're not so wrong about this. I was somewhat irritated by this post of yours:

baro-san said:
There are, and there were lots of people who honestly believe, and believed that their experiences are "true", "real", "undisputable", while those experiences differ greatly.
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Nobody in this thread said that their own opinion or the opinion of someone else is "true" or "real" or even "undisputable". (Correct me, if I missed something. Also, I'm sorry if you perceived something I posted this way). There were many videos shared in this thread and several people have posted and commented. As you did not reply to any specific post, it wasn't clear to me if your remark was directed at one of authors/videos posted above or at me (as my post was the last one) or at any other member.
I took it more as a general remark. No worries: I did not understand it the way that you think that only your beliefs are valid.

However, as nobody here said that anything is "undisputable", your comment still came like out of the blue, in my perception. And without further explanation, I don't find it constructive. That's my critique here. To me it sounds dismissive, like something a sceptic would say. Like saying: "Every religion believes it is the only way to salvation and all other religions are wrong. But they can't all be right." (which implies they must all be wrong).
I don't think you meant it this way. That's why I was also irritated. But as it could be understood like this by others, I took it as an opportunity to discuss (and for others to read) why in my understanding it is well possible and not contradictive at all that there are different experiences of the astral world that may all be equally valid.

In my opinion, a bit more elaboration and explanation on your part than just a one-liner would have been better here.

Hope, you're fine and not offended by anything I said :)
 
Good morning! I would like to think we've been here long enough to understand each other to the extent that our intentions are good and we've often delicately stated from the perspective: "in my opinion," "my belief," or "not to force others," even including phrases like "which are subject to change." This is our little community, and active posters should consider some relation to the other- I would like to relax and speak plainly,
So I am going to speak without all the eggshells now. :)

Truth as a living reality- a guiding intelligence, is able to speak to you- where ever your focus or interest are at any time.

All of this exemplifies the personal relationship With.
💙 Be Blessed, everyone!
 
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Ocean said:
The astral traveler from the video which Polaris linked above spent years and decades meditating regularly for long periods of time. He spent much time in isolated retreat somewhere every year. This way he learned to astral travel. When you listen to his interviews he talks about it frequently.
I think it‘s possible to travel and experience the astral world in a controlled and conscious manner, but maybe it requires years of dedication (like everything in life you want to truly learn and master).
Short and more spontaneous experiences can happen, too, I guess, as people report this again and again.
Anyway, I hope you‘ll find your way to experience the spiritual world and your astral body as you wish.
Wishing you all the best for this!
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Ocean, Thanks for your comments to this. You are correct in that he spent years in learning how to consciously control the out of body experience in such a way as to bring back a lot of information he experiences while there back into the physical world. Everyone soul travels at night while we are asleep as consciousness needs time away from the dense heavy physical world. Most of us however don't remember what we have done while out of the body at night. Even myself I have tried to learn to consciously control the mind to be aware while out of the body, but I have not been able to do that still. For me my trigger in having an out of body experience is when I have a lucid dream. When I am aware I am dreaming then I can trigger the experience into a full out of body experience.

However, my lucid dreaming comes and goes over the years so I never know when it will happen. However, when it does happen it's a very different experiences then dreaming. Like he said in the video, the experience while having full awareness on the astral plane is more than real. Your awareness is very much expanded, and everything seems fully focused and sharpened while there. Also learning to control your thoughts are a must as reality there is almost instantly manifested through thought and feeling. What was hard for me when experiencing all this was coming back to the body again. When I came back to the physical body everything here seems lifeless, dull, heavy, coarse and dense here. Everything here seems flat and dull in comparison. So, I kind of envy Jurgen in his ability to be able to do this almost at will now. And if you read any of his works the astral plane is just the starting point. There are countless other higher dimensions beyond the astral plane that are even more incredible and mind blowing to experiences. And I think to myself that all of us comes from these higher worlds, yet we don't remember.

Love and peace always P.
 
@Polaris8 Thank you very much for sharing your experience. It was very interesting to read.

It’s intriguing you could experience for yourself and confirm the expanded awareness, hyper-reality and sharpened senses on the astral plane. People often say that what we experience here on Earth feels like a dream compared to what they experienced while out of body. For me, this is always hard to imagine what it must be like without having had such an experience myself.
You’re right, what experiencers report about the higher dimensions is even more amazing and it's probably not even fully comprehensible with a human mind. I believe, too, that’s where we all originate from.

All the best to you
 
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