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Astral Projection: the basics.

Wow, Cloud Potato, your latest experiences are amazing! I've loved reading them.

I think I once saw a scene from the past too in one of my astral projections. It was my current home, the flat in which my partner lived with his parents for years. I passed near the door of the bathroom. I saw a man having a shower in a bathtub I've never known. When I told my partner he told me that was how the old bathroom was arranged, and of course I wonder if that man was his father, whom I never met either, as he died years before my partner and I started our relationship.

I'm pretty sure we can somehow access "layers" in the astral that belong to the past. Many astral travellers would say we can travel in time, but I don't think we really do that. It seems these are just scenes that remain there for some reason, like those scenes psychics can see in haunted places.
 
Thank you Eowyn, your replies mean a lot.
I think you're right. I have a friend who can access layers of time in her meditations. It's usually by chance but she is able to witness a scene as if it were happening yet she knows it's from the past. Well, they kind of blend together like augmented reality without the need for the technology.
Maybe it was your partners father- i wonder how these connections are made, if there is a level of love required to access these moments(connection with your partner) or if they are just provided as a gift(or something else entirely). Your experience with astral travel has to mean something. Maybe the other souls impression is loud enough, desires strong enough, for a receptive to pick up on?
Peace <3
 
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Something other than an out of body experience?

i fell asleep at 7:00PM last night. I woke up at 9:00PM to use the restroom. upon falling back asleep something happened...
i was beginning to detach from my body. there were no more thoughts and from a different point of view, in a gray room, all that was visible was a very large and very bright, shining white light. there was no noise coming from this radiating orb. the only noise i heard was the breathing of my body. this giant mass was moving very slowly down towards my body. my breathing was increasing, becoming louder. then the orb sank into my chest and upon contact my breath had immediately synchronized with this light. once it touched my body i was flooded with a sensation and chills ran along up and down my spine as my breath carried everything through out my entire body. the feeling here, words can not/should not satisfy... but it was a bliss beyond what i've experienced in a long time. today i intuited the word union. this all happened so quickly(at least, that's what i thought) and once the orb sank into my being i tried to astral project. well as soon as i pulled my ethereal form out of my body i was slammed down back into it by a very heavy weight. i'm not sure but i think, once i began to witness my ethereal form and think more of an, "astral body" noticing a second presence against the orb may have caused some form of doubt which brought a halt to my experience. it could have been because i was beginning to think again as well... who is to say... i woke up so energized though i was ready to stretch and meditate- not tired at all. all of this happened in what felt like a couple minutes or less... well i looked at the clock and it was 10:33PM.
 
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hello, it has been a little while, i see no other post have been made since?
yesterday morning i had a successful O.B.E. i can't say what caused it, i used to think it was the right combination of physical activity and then the process of being somewhat cognizant while falling back asleep. i don't have an answer.
it was around 4am, i was falling back asleep, i felt more in a dream because again things were hazy in this state but i saw myself in this static environment laying in bed and instinctively knew it was time to project. there was an outline of energy which was a part of my body pulling itself out from my body, like raising my feet and legs out of my feet and legs or raising these energetically traced like arms up and pulling myself out from my chest. i then glided downstairs and pushed myself out the front door. the sun hadn't come up yet but i remember the street lights and i remember seeing the stars. i tried going up to the stars, i got no higher than my tree before a limiting force caused me to repeat my experience. i believe i again started in my bed and again went and glided down the stairs and again tried going up to the stars but something would not allow me. this time i go on to the roof of my house, i believe i scare a squirrel. then i remember our dogs being let out by my mother, in which case i somehow honed in on the activity happening there and woke up with this memory of my mother and father speaking to each other about some serious matters before their day started.

later when i woke up i noticed my parents still in their bed. i asked mom when she came to if she was just waking up. she told me she had let the dogs out at some point before 5am and that her and dad had been up since then. i didn't say anything and i don't remember their conversation, just the feelings behind it. i also found that i was drained yesterday(physically and mentally) and passed out really early for bed. i think the O.B.E.'s are somewhat taxing on my energy levels.

thanks.
 
Did a playful spirit visit me this morning and help me astral project? It was sometime after 4AM when I was trying to go back to sleep. I was on my left side and as I began to slip into rest I felt those chills running along my spine- super blissful, it caused my eyes to roll up in ecstasy. I tried to keep my presence "open" and took this in-between moment as a chance for astral projection. The chills turned into a vibration and a sound that I could not only hear but feel running along my spine. My mind thought there was something or someone with me, this "vibration" I intuit as higher frequency.

My initial attempt to project was a failure- my, "astral self" rolled out of bed and landed on the floor with my face on the ground and started to doze off. I had, "an eye half open" and everything was to heavy to move around on my own. This time I actually crawled back into bed and my attention then shifted to my physical self, still sleeping on the bed on its left side. I realize I hadn't actually fallen or started to doze off on the floor, which felt very real, but that I was in the same spot the entire time. This was my "safety-net" to try again.

Still the vibration continued, I felt there was a "them" I was keeping myself open to during this in-between once more. To describe the, "in-between" feeling... It's a honing in, as the body shuts down to rest, a type of noise zeroes in and a rising out meets this noise- sometimes when I "allow" the crossing to take place I start to hear talking- sometimes directly to me other times I feel I am listening to others mid conversation. I had one experience where it felt like I was at a mess-hall listening to all kinds of chatter. Anyways... This morning I again project and as I pull myself out from my body I look at my hands and instead see these slender, shadowy/wispy hands in front of me. I don't quite remember viewing my astral self in this manner- I am feeling lighter and I see words move across empty space in my room and I giggle as I try to say those words aloud. As if discovering I have a voice I get excited but it also sounds girly? I roll around in my room and crawl, I peek my head out of the bedroom door because there is a part of me that knows the dogs are about to be let outside. I wonder with excitement if they see me and seem to be making a game of things. I then get this vision to go outside and I glide down the stairs but am still looking at these wispy shadowy hands of mine. Once I get outside I raise my hands up and say, "AUM" and I see the shadow like hands stretching up to the sky- I feel so happy doing this. I try again and again, "AUM" and everything starts floating up and I start laughing.

After this I believe my projection turns into a lucid dream. I come back inside to find Dad on the couch and he see's me... But I ask him, "do you recognize me? We aren't actually here." Which disturbs him and I see he looks at me as if he were looking at a ghost. My awareness is then shifted to my room where I'm sleeping and I hear a name in my mind, Abbey- is this the person I felt as a vibration next to me? The bedroom door opens and my parents, who have visibly aged, open the door and ask me something alarming to rouse me from my sleep. I felt confused between what was really happening and I started to panic only to come back to my panicked/labored breathing self of me sleeping on my left side on the bed. It almost felt like, "time" didn't want me where I was...??? Well I fell back asleep but this morning I woke up and started thinking about this girl, I think her name is Abbey and her personality keeps popping in my mind. I have this feeling that she somehow aided my astral projection and that we shared consciousness.
I think she is young and playful... Not sure what else at this time.
???
 
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Did a playful spirit visit me this morning and help me astral project? It was sometime after 4AM when I was trying to go back to sleep. I was on my left side and as I began to slip into rest I felt those chills running along my spine- super blissful, it caused my eyes to roll up in ecstasy. I tried to keep my presence "open" and took this in-between moment as a chance for astral projection. The chills turned into a vibration and a sound that I could not only hear but feel running along my spine. My mind thought there was something or someone with me, this "vibration" I intuit as higher frequency.

My initial attempt to project was a failure- my, "astral self" rolled out of bed and landed on the floor with my face on the ground and started to doze off. I had, "an eye half open" and everything was to heavy to move around on my own. This time I actually crawled back into bed and my attention then shifted to my physical self, still sleeping on the bed on its left side. I realize I hadn't actually fallen or started to doze off on the floor, which felt very real, but that I was in the same spot the entire time. This was my "safety-net" to try again.

Still the vibration continued, I felt there was a "them" I was keeping myself open to during this in-between once more. To describe the, "in-between" feeling... It's a honing in, as the body shuts down to rest, a type of noise zeroes in and a rising out meets this noise- sometimes when I "allow" the crossing to take place I start to hear talking- sometimes directly to me other times I feel I am listening to others mid conversation. I had one experience where it felt like I was at a mess-hall listening to all kinds of chatter. Anyways... This morning I again project and as I pull myself out from my body I look at my hands and instead see these slender, shadowy/wispy hands in front of me. I don't quite remember viewing my astral self in this manner- I am feeling lighter and I see words move across empty space in my room and I giggle as I try to say those words aloud. As if discovering I have a voice I get excited but it also sounds girly? I roll around in my room and crawl, I peek my head out of the bedroom door because there is a part of me that knows the dogs are about to be let outside. I wonder with excitement if they see me and seem to be making a game of things. I then get this vision to go outside and I glide down the stairs but am still looking at these wispy shadowy hands of mine. Once I get outside I raise my hands up and say, "AUM" and I see the shadow like hands stretching up to the sky- I feel so happy doing this. I try again and again, "AUM" and everything starts floating up and I start laughing.

After this I believe my projection turns into a lucid dream. I come back inside to find Dad on the couch and he see's me... But I ask him, "do you recognize me? We aren't actually here." Which disturbs him and I see he looks at me as if he were looking at a ghost. My awareness is then shifted to my room where I'm sleeping and I hear a name in my mind, Abbey- is this the person I felt as a vibration next to me? The bedroom door opens and my parents, who have visibly aged, open the door and ask me something alarming to rouse me from my sleep. I felt confused between what was really happening and I started to panic only to come back to my panicked/labored breathing self of me sleeping on my left side on the bed. It almost felt like, "time" didn't want me where I was...??? Well I fell back asleep but this morning I woke up and started thinking about this girl, I think her name is Abbey and her personality keeps popping in my mind. I have this feeling that she somehow aided my astral projection and that we shared consciousness.
I think she is young and playful... Not sure what else at this time.
???
Hi, I enjoy reading what people have to say on this thread very much. I am still new to this concept and confused at times, to tell you the truth.

If you don't mind I would like to ask you the question what you wrote that your parents were looking as if they had aged - were you in the future?

I don't know if I have been dreaming or not but think I might have been in the Astral world. To me when being in a house there it was built in old fashion, wood, lots of wood, but furniture, interior decorating from era 1910-1917 or so, hard to say. Things were solid. It was to me like they are in the real world, our world. Is this normal?
My fear (and I hope again it is just a dream...) is that either the spirit or the astral-self of a past life husband and son is living there. Could this really be?

I know I have such strong and mixed emotions, and a big portion of fear, when it comes to the past life husband that I seriously don't know if I have created this myself, as if this is my nightmare.

Before of the past life husband's death he had tried to convince me that we should try again. He said he would stop drinking. I remember us arguing and me feeling pure panic about returning to live with him isolated on the farm where I had so many bad memories from. This home was originally intended for his first wife who died while they traveled to this new bought land of theirs. After the death of our son I was considered not well by my husband and I don't know if he tried to isolate me so no one else would see what state I was in or if he threaten to take me to a mental asylum. I think he tried to treat me himself by those time's methods, which at times were frightening but I don't think his intent was this. Either way, there are many strong emotions, attachments involved.

I don't know if it possible for his astral-self (?? so insecure about what term to use here, I am sorry) to exist there, to rebuilt a new home for "us". For us to get a second chance?

Can I also get mixed up with the astral self of my past self? I know this is such a unreal, complicated question, and I am not sure anyone can answer this?

I have not had any of the other symptoms that I was in the astral world, no voices, no nothing. The only sound I heard, or remembered hearing, but it could only be a memory was a song that I think use to be played on the radio)

When I was a child I thought I could fly and would be visiting places that a child think it is fun to visit but it was night and no one was there so I had to return home, bored

When I was older I was around what I think was the universe with someone that I don't know, but I don't know if this was only a dream. In this dream I at one point dived into an ocean and was informed about reincarnation, that I could be both a boy and a girl, that I could also split, by the someone who traveled with me.

When I was a child and somewhat older I don't remember having any symptoms either. Is it normal for children to not have these symptoms as adults have?

Sorry...lot's of questions...

Thank you for taking the time to read this :)

Best Wishes

Li La
 
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As I see this is a recurring theme in the paranormal section of the forum and I am always repeating the same information that gets scattered in several threads, I thought of writing it all down together for future references so that people who have doubts can easily resolve them here. Of course, everyone who has direct experience and wants to share it, is welcome.

First of all, a brief introduction: how is it I am always so sure about my experiences in regards to this matter and I even criticize scientists and people who talk about astral projection (AP) without knowing a thing about it? Well, not long ago I was quite ignorant about AP. After one year of frequent and regular meditation to remember past lives, I started to have these "weird dreams" where I would find myself standing in the middle of my bedroom, seeing it all with a bluish light. I would look at my hands and see them bluish too, and they were not "physical", but as if they were made of some kind of "energy". Shortly afterwards, I would just wake up normally. I had been having this kind of dreams ever since childhood, though now they were starting to be more frequent, I had two in the same week and I started to look for answers. At that moment I was in a quite close-minded FB group about NDE's, where it was alright to talk about OBE's in the context of an NDE, but you could be banned if you mentioned the world "astral". I used to complain a lot, and I shared some of my experiences. Then a woman who was writing a book about OBE's told me what I was having were not "normal dreams", but astral travels. She didn't have experience herself though, so she directed me to people who did know a lot about this, all of them quite normal people, quite far from the usual esoteric groups where people like to talk about myths and things they read, but who usually have no practical training. One of these people was a paraplegic middle-aged graphic designer who had suffered an NDE, as a result he had found out we are much more than flesh and bones, and he started to do a lot of research and he learned to astral project. He told me that in 18 years of practice, only once he had been able to meet with others in the astral, showing me AP is not as easy and wonderful as we read in books or see in movies. Another one of these people is someone with over 20 years of experience, who runs the best blog in Spanish about this matter, from whom I've learned all I know, and in many occasions he has been the only one who could answer my questions.

I'd like to say they were my mentors, but the truth is that astral travelers don't like to talk too much, as they are often considered crazy. But they're not. The only problem is one they share with people who have suffered NDE's: ineffability, that is, you can't find the proper words to describe what you see and feel "on the other side", as it's a totally different reality to our physical world, and only the ones who have been there can begin to understand what "the other side" is. This knowledge has been often related to the occult, esoteric or metaphysical teachings, and hidden to the normal people, as it was considered a "highly sensitive" and dangerous knowledge not recommended for everyone, but my opinion is that the era of the occult is over and now we are ready to embrace that knowledge and see by ourselves our true nature. Incredibly, many astral travelers still think that if they share their knowledge, they will lose their abilities, a nonsensical idea which is a reminiscence of those old days. I think we must share this knowledge, and put it out there for all those who may need it.

So, here you have the basics I was taught at the beginning. They're quite simple and that's why I keep repeating them over and over. I have a scientific mind and some of them were quite hard for me to believe at first. It's normal you have doubts, if so I invite you to try the techniques and see for yourself. That's what I did. And that's how I got to know what I'm going to tell next. I'm not talking from things they told me, or things I've heard somewhere or read in a book. I talk from my own experience and when it is not enough, from the experience of the people I mentioned above. It goes without saying my own experience doesn't dismiss the experience of others, I don't have the Absolute Truth and I'm always learning, but I think it is important to differentiate facts from myths or popular sayings with no actual basis behind. The astral realm is a strange and infinite world we have only started to explore, so it remains a mystery and no one really knows how it works.

Eowyn,

Much of what you have written in regards to the astral dimension I have experienced and know every well at this point. Last least on the astral level anyway. Many years ago I had a NDE. After that experience I have had on again off again OBE's. Which I believe my NDE had something to do with this. My usual trigger to these experiences is that it starts off as a lucid dream. Once I realize I am dreaming it turns into a conscious OBE. At first it was a bit unnerving as I did not know how to navigate my astral body to travel at first. However over time I have learned that controlling one's mind and emotions is the driving force which creates reality on that level or dimension of our universe. I have once briefly had a OBE experience on the mental plane. However the experience left me overwhelmed with too much information coming into my consciousness all at one time to handle. Although the experience was extremely blissful and emotionally moving to say the least. The best way I could describe this experience was a state of cosmic consciousness much like what I experienced while having my NDE. It so profoundly changed me inwardly that my life has never been the same since. Because before the NDE I never believed in past lives. Now I know that we all are eternal by nature and that we reincarnate in the lower worlds of duality in order to evolve and grow as soul. As there are far more higher dimensions within our universe that are well beyond the astral and mental planes.

Many of which from what I have been told human language has no way to describe these worlds of pure spirit as it is well beyond our present stage of human consciousness at this time. All I know is that our universe is far more vast and complex with inter woven higher dimensions within it that the human race has barely scratch the surface. However I find it nice to know that there are others that understand this thru sites like this one. And I am grateful to have found one.

Thanks again for the post. I enjoyed it immensely.

Peace and love. P.
 
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Hi Li La,

All good questions- sometimes those are more important than the answer. I can't answer the questions about your past life for you, I can say that I believe your experiences are real- to trust your intuition on the matter.

As for being in the future, I don't think so. I don't know. The experience near the end was confusing and I started to panic.

What I found most interesting was this spirit(?) Abbey who may have merged with my consciousness and aided in astral projection. This was my first time being cognizant of coexisting with another personality in one vehicle. I share my experiences here to chronicle, hope it helps others and note any correlations- in this sense I am a fellow seeker.

A few common themes I am discovering are the ringing of the ears, the vibration being felt in the spine and this witnessing/experiencing through the eyes of others. Lately my dream characters are rarely "me."

I do think it's possible to mix things up like past life memories, lucid dreams, OBE's but again I would say to rely on your intuition. Don't let fear hinder your exploration, that's been one of my greatest obstacles.

I really admire Polaris8 reply and think it might help put things in perspective with your questions. Remember you are protected and you aren't given anything you can't handle.

God bless.
 
I've had a thought today that maybe I was the one viewing through Abigail instead of vice versa, maybe not. This is not the first time I encountered chanting sacred words in a dreamscape either. The other time was a honing in on a group of monks who were chanting "AYA" which was very powerful. Thinking on this and the meaning of aum I understand it is vibration and all of creation is vibration. Abbey went outside and started chanting aum and we started rising upwards. In this realm, the shadowy like hands were literally stretching up and thinning out as she chanted. The feeling was joyous and I am wondering if we, as a vibration, were merging into this "all-pervading" baseline energy. I read today that the body is an expression of electromagnetic waves. I wonder if we can experience formlessness, or maybe it is form different than what our eyes interpret and define in the physical realm... Again,I believe the "astral vehicle" that we were identifying with was being vacuumed up into this, all-existence.
So what of witnessing and experiencing through someone else? How does this relate to consciousness? Also, I am thinking this ringing in the ear or chills in the spine is a type of communication with something of a higher frequency or, less dense vibration.
My path has so far brought me to understand that Spirit is Alive and Intelligently communicating with us.
 
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Thank you for posting that cloud potato, I recall using sound/vibrations in lifting an obelisk some 12,000+ years ago that I've mentioned before that must have been triggered by a photo of one still in the quarry and from close to the same perspective. I too think that we are vibrating packets of energy with possible "harmonics" as prior-lives, just my thoughts.
 
Eowyn,

Much of what you have written in regards to the astral dimension I have experienced and know every well at this point. Last least on the astral level anyway. Many years ago I had a NDE. After that experience I have had on again off again OBE's. Which I believe my NDE had something to do with this. My usual trigger to these experiences is that it starts off as a lucid dream. Once I realize I am dreaming it turns into a conscious OBE. At first it was a bit unnerving as I did not know how to navigate my astral body to travel at first. However over time I have learned that controlling one's mind and emotions is the driving force which creates reality on that level or dimension of our universe. I have once briefly had a OBE experience on the mental plane. However the experience left me overwhelmed with too much information coming into my consciousness all at one time to handle. Although the experience was extremely blissful and emotionally moving to say the least. The best way I could describe this experience was a state of cosmic consciousness much like what I experienced while having my NDE. It so profoundly changed me inwardly that my life has never been the same since. Because before the NDE I never believed in past lives. Now I know that we all are eternal by nature and that we reincarnate in the lower worlds of duality in order to evolve and grow as soul. As there are far more higher dimensions within our universe that are well beyond the astral and mental planes.

Many of which from what I have been told human language has no way to describe these worlds of pure spirit as it is well beyond our present stage of human consciousness at this time. All I know is that our universe is far more vast and complex with inter woven higher dimensions within it that the human race has barely scratch the surface. However I find it nice to know that there are others that understand this thru sites like this one. And I am grateful to have found one.

Thanks again for the post. I enjoyed it immensely.

Peace and love. P.

Thank you so much for your words. I don't visit this forum as often as I would like now, but it's great to know this thread is being so useful for so many people. Yes, it's wonderful to find people who understands OBEs, as it's such a strange experience, and so difficult to describe, that only people who had lived it know what we mean.

You make a good description of the lucid dream turning on an OBE, and the emotions creating reality.

Many people after their NDEs develop some type of psychic ability, I often hear about premonitions but not so often about OBEs.

I totally agree with you there's so much out there that our human consciousness can't understand, or even imagine. As I usually say, we're limited by our physical senses, but as you say it's with a purpose. I also learned a lot in this forum and others where I found great people sharing their experiences, and that was essential to find my own answers. I am grateful of being here, living this human experience and at the same time being aware we're all immortal.
 
I don't know if I have been dreaming or not but think I might have been in the Astral world. To me when being in a house there it was built in old fashion, wood, lots of wood, but furniture, interior decorating from era 1910-1917 or so, hard to say. Things were solid. It was to me like they are in the real world, our world. Is this normal?
My fear (and I hope again it is just a dream...) is that either the spirit or the astral-self of a past life husband and son is living there. Could this really be?

I know I have such strong and mixed emotions, and a big portion of fear, when it comes to the past life husband that I seriously don't know if I have created this myself, as if this is my nightmare.

Before of the past life husband's death he had tried to convince me that we should try again. He said he would stop drinking. I remember us arguing and me feeling pure panic about returning to live with him isolated on the farm where I had so many bad memories from. This home was originally intended for his first wife who died while they traveled to this new bought land of theirs. After the death of our son I was considered not well by my husband and I don't know if he tried to isolate me so no one else would see what state I was in or if he threaten to take me to a mental asylum. I think he tried to treat me himself by those time's methods, which at times were frightening but I don't think his intent was this. Either way, there are many strong emotions, attachments involved.

Hi, Li-la, interesting post.

No, unfortunately I don't have any definite answer, but I can give you my opinion. Besides, what you told resonates a lot with me, as I was also a mistreated wife back in that time where women were little more than possessions for a man.

If the "dream" was too real, that is, identical to the physical world, then probably it's just a dream, a creation of your own mind. Our dreams are usually built with elements from our subconscious, and that's why all our fears can take shape in the astral world. You may see it as just a dream, or, if you're more lucid and you're astral travelling, then you see it as a totally different world, with different levels of "solidity".

Now, I think sometimes what we project in a dream might have a base of reality. Could be that you still feel as a prisoner, as you still have many emotions to process from that past life, so you create that dream. But maybe you somehow "sense" that your past life husband is still trapped in the astral world, and as there's a lot of attachment, maybe you did visit him in his own prison. I mean, if he died in his past life, and he is one of those souls that haven't realized they're dead, they may build their own world and spend hundreds of years there, as ghosts. It stands out how you describe the house, I don't know if you could have built this from your own memories, or if it's a "real place" in the astral built by your past life husband. Do you know if he's reincarnated?

I don't know if it possible for his astral-self (?? so insecure about what term to use here, I am sorry) to exist there, to rebuilt a new home for "us". For us to get a second chance?

I think it's possible he's there, but not for you to have a second chance. I mean, he might think that's possible, because he doesn't know he's dead, but you're here, alive, living a new life. No matter how many emotions you still have left, he can't reach you now. He doesn't have more power over you. He won't move forward until he understands he's lost in the astral. He must go to the light as all souls do, and then start a new life as you did.

Can I also get mixed up with the astral self of my past self? I know this is such a unreal, complicated question, and I am not sure anyone can answer this?

I guess there are different opinions on this, as many people think time is not linear. Personally, I think we perceive time differently when we are in the astral/spiritual world, but there's still a past and a future. You can perceive things from the past and the future (maybe even things coming from your past self), but you can't be physically there. The process (as I see it) is this: your physical body dies, your "astral body" goes to the astral plane, then your "astral body" dies (many astral travellers refer that sometimes you can even see "carcasses", "bodies" that retain some ability to respond, but it's all automatic and end up dissolving), and your spirit then goes to the spiritual world. I use these terms to keep it simple, but probably there are more stages. In this process we're elevating our frequency of vibration, as if you were a worm becoming a butterfly, you get rid of the different wrappings that allow you to be here, in the physical world. So, if you're reincarnated here and now, this means the astral self of your past self doesn't exist anymore. You can't be in two places at a time. Maybe your mind/consciousness can, but you can't have two bodies at the same time (yes, I know many people believe in simultaneous lives, but I'm not one of them). I hope you understand what I mean.

To find out what was that "dream" of yours, you should have enough lucidity to ask, once and if you find yourself back in the same scenario, if that's real or just a creation of your mind. When it's just something you're created, it usually fades away, almost instantly. I know this is quite hard to accomplish, and anyway, it's not recommended to try astral travel when you're so affected with fears or negative emotions, precisely because you tend to create this "dark places". If I were you I would work on those emotions.

When I was a child and somewhat older I don't remember having any symptoms either. Is it normal for children to not have these symptoms as adults have?

I'm not sure if you're referring to symptoms of astral travel. In this case, symptoms don't depend on the age, both children and adults can have them, or not. This is very variable on each person. Some don't feel nothing at all during the transition, they hardly can tell real life from the astral plane. Others hear voices, others the buzzing on the ears, others just the vibrations... So, there's not anything "normal" or "abnormal" here, almost anything can happen. The only sure thing is we all separate from our physical body every time we go to sleep.
 
Thank you so much for your words. I don't visit this forum as often as I would like now, but it's great to know this thread is being so useful for so many people. Yes, it's wonderful to find people who understands OBEs, as it's such a strange experience, and so difficult to describe, that only people who had lived it know what we mean.

You make a good description of the lucid dream turning on an OBE, and the emotions creating reality.

Many people after their NDEs develop some type of psychic ability, I often hear about premonitions but not so often about OBEs.

I totally agree with you there's so much out there that our human consciousness can't understand, or even imagine. As I usually say, we're limited by our physical senses, but as you say it's with a purpose. I also learned a lot in this forum and others where I found great people sharing their experiences, and that was essential to find my own answers. I am grateful of being here, living this human experience and at the same time being aware we're all immortal.

Eowyn, thank you for your reply. I was born an empath in this lifetime which has been a mix blessing of sorts. And even though I have learned a lot over the years I still keep on learning and discovering new aspects about myself, the eternal nature of soul, god and reality in general. I look back on my life ( I'm 60 now) and realized I had to go thru a lot of suffering and loss (dark night of soul experiences) which is part of letting go of the lower ego in order to connect to the higher self. However the growing really never ends. It has made me very humble and grateful for the little things in life that we so often as human beings take for granted. On the inside we are all the same as soul however like you have said I am grateful for being alive in the here and now to have this experience of being human and that as soul we are immortal.

Love and peace P.
 
Its interesting how things can change as you grow.. I have had OBE"s and also Astral traveled but for several years they have not happened for me My pure spiritual self has been taking me down a slightly different paths...for example lately I have been shown memories in real time very different to what I have seen before ...that are guiding me to what I believe are a couple of important things
Just a couple... are recorded real times memories of our spiritual selves some time of time travel.. That maybe just maybe we can re live a previous incarnation of our spiritual selves in real time on another level... When I have these new types of real time memories I am very tempted to step outside of the memory into the time of the memory Would that be a dangerous thing to do? could I return?.. that is what worries me ... I need some advise before I say..." what the hell lets see what happens"
 
John, it is gratifying to hear of another old-fart going through changes in their life sequences and being able to voice them to a broader audience. I can not answer your question, but truly understand your predicament. Maybe that is one of our options when we "transition", everything I've read says that the path is laid out in a way that is gentile for our "passing".

Kinda tense place to be - about like your first landing on the Enterprise, white-knuckled and all!
 
Hi Eowyn!
Thank you so much for your answers. I've only just discovered you had written, I don't know how I could have missed it. Then again, I am a bit clumsy at times.

I had to read what you have written several times before anything sunk in, and I am gonna keep it in the back of my mind. Thank you so much.

I'm so sorry you have been an mistreated woman in the pl. Yes, it certainly was very different times. It is one thing to read about it, but it did not enter my mind that it would be so significant in the smallest detailed in every day life. And a lot of things I am sure no one even questioned or saw as being suppression or humiliation, and others one saw very clear that it was, but I think we all start out adjusting and are being taught certain things and at one point we just go on with life and we don't question them. For instance I remember clearly as Laura a hot summer day when I walked in the hallway and the father (I think it was either my aunt's husband or older sister's husband, he was a priest, I have later found a photograph and information about him) called me in a room that looked like a home office of some kind. In this room was my husband to be. Earlier, if I should dare to take a guess I would say 1-2 years before, the future husband had suggested that I would leave this family and go work for him as he had lost his wife and needed help on the ranch. It didn't happen. The father asked me to sit down, and I did. I could feel the tensions in the air, both men were dressed business like. I was used to seeing my future husband as he looked as a typical ranch owner when he came in town to pick up what ever he had now ordered for his new home. I could tell it was customary that I should wait til the father or any man really had asked me a question, or done a nod, something to give me the sign that it was allowed, it was given, that I should talk. It was settled then and there that we were to be married, I was to continue with my education despite the marriage and working on the farm and my husband would give my mother money on a regular basis. All very businesslike. The time had come. I think we had both been in love with each other for a long time before this moment but only done small talk in town. It was a sensation every time he was around me. The mistreatment began, I think, after WW1 , he had changed, I had changed. Also we had a dispute in midst of the war and I thought he had left me and would divorce me. After the reconciliation and the death of the child he thought I had become insane. instead of making reality of his threat to take me to a mental hospital of some kind, he did his own treatments of me, one of them was forcing a bit of sheet with some strange liquid on on my mouth and nose til I calmed down or if I actually fainted.

I have realized that the husband was, is not of the opinion that he was abusive. But he was a man of different times. There was one scene for instance where I looked up, sitting at the sofa at our home, and seeing how clean and in order everything was. But no son alive. Everything was so silent. So untouched. I missed him so much. What was it all good for then? What kind of home was this? Why put in any effort? Suddenly I went up and started to trash things, at a certain area of the room, in rage and in tears. The husband appeared in the room at the doorway and at once took out the leather belt around his pants. Laura took steps back, slide down a wall and stared in the nothingness in front of her. She did not care if he would beat her with it or not. I could see him coming closer, and bending down somewhat with this knees, still holding the belt with one hand, and staring, looking at her. I can't remember that he beat her with it, and I think this is possible the scene that he wanted to show me that he was, from his perspective a "good guy" to not hit her.

It is clear to me that he did not consider himself grabbing her or dragging her or carrying her as abusive, even if it was so clear this was not what she wanted. It really was as if he did, as you say, consider her body his possession.

I have thought about if the husband has been reincarnated, he has some things in common with an ex boyfriend of mine, but then again the spirit of my former husband could not then have been haunting us for years perhaps so I have sort of now landed in the thought that no, he can't have been reincarnated then. He has powers on the other side that he did not have in life (like creating hell of a sounds, turning of electricity and I think that is only the beginning. It is like I can sense his potential and it has frighten me when we have tried to communicate. I can never figure out if he is good or bad or both, I can't describe his energy, he had a strong personality when he was alive, strong will).

What I find is quite difficult for me is that in that life as Laura, I had "psychic abilities" (or maybe just imagination, I don't know) that I simply don't have this time around, the little I do have is from when I was a child, and I think many kids do have psychic abilities but it will go away in time if not cared for, and if not believed. If I got this right she was later trained and disciplined about this ability by the Maoris and the Mormons. So Laura is I think more used to the astral world than I am. My own "ability" really opened up when I remembered during intense work of meditation this life as Laura. She was a missionary, but also worked as a teacher, and during WW1 as a nurse assistant, the latter to her husband's strong disapproval.

I have memory of a time when she came in town, sitting in the back of a horse carriage as the father of the family left to go in a store. She sat there with several other children and could be like 15 or so at the time. I remember her seeing opposite the dusty streets and the wooden stores , her future husband loading things on his horse carriage. Their eyes met. Without sounding too corny he made an impression on her.

A lot of times before I sunk into this strange state where my feet are walking to a wood house and the past life husband is there and also the child I see the same scene - but from his perspective, his eyes. So I see Laura. What Laura looked like at that moment. She had a few strings of hair in the way of her face, due to the wind, and I can feel his emotions; how her face and her eyes got stuck in his conscious mind. I think it was the first time their eyes had met.

I thought he had crossed over to the other side some time back but then it is as if this is returning despite of this. In life he did not get a great start. He was thrown out after defending his mother, who was beaten by the man, the father of the house. He was in jail as a child and it was because he was homeless. He had marks on his back that would always be there after being whipped. Somehow the Mormons found him and he became a minister in time, but chose to buy land and become a ranch owner primarily. He knew of the father in Laura's family who was a Mormon priest too. He knows he is dead, yet all of this is happening. I hope it is only my fear and not a reality that he is not in the light.

Yes, I should embrace Laura and work on the issues, thing is I don't really know how to work on them. One of the strongest issue from that life is, I think, the possibility that her husband was not the biological father of the child who died. When he had dumped her, or so she thought, that seemed very much like the reality of the time, she became friend with an injured soldier while working as a nurse assistant. Found him too, thanks to his stubbornness for her to get his name just right in one of my meditations, it was an old Irish name and he was particular about the spelling and how to say it, he was a teaser. He looks very much like my husband and my husband is a teaser too. In time she and this soldier fell in love and well...did it, to put it blunt. They had plans to marry and he would already call her Mrs and his own last name. Then the news came of his death after he was sent out again, not being injured enough not to keep fighting. What I found frightening is the scenery I have of him saying something to her husband, the general, as a soldier and then as he goes out to fight the husband shoots him deliberately with hate in his eyes. He kills him. Laura was not even there, and somehow I can see this after one of my communications with the husband. In real life I could find that the general and the soldier were placed together, during the war. This does not of course mean that the husband killed him but it is still a bit of information that totally stopped me when finding it, thinking Oh, My God. This can't be real.

I don't know what Laura/me has done about this - all I know is that it feels like an impossibility to remember if the soldier was the father or her husband. It is blocked. Totally blocked.

As Laura or me, don't know which, I remember in one of my efforts to communicate with this pl-husband-ghost (if it was now not just a nightmare that is), when he "said" "you need to remember". I think Laura had a HUGE fear that her husband would think the son was not his. Also because the son is a ghost beside the husband-ghost I think her, my fear of him then hurting the boy in some way is great for me. So it is like I have done, as Laura, perhaps?, some magical tricks, or what now to call it by, that I just can't open that door. In life the boy knew only of one father, the husband of Laura, and because he has stayed the same age as he was in when he passed away, one feels very protective of him, and I can tell that he swirls around his only known father, that they are tied in together in this entire mess.

Anyway, enough about me going on and on about this...I'm sorry.

Best Wishes

Li La
 
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Hi Ken Thanks for that perspective... As I have said I have had OBE"s what I feel during one of these real time memories is very similar instead of being an OBE it would be a OME out of memory experience instead of stepping out of the physical body I would step out of the memory... I know I can return to the physical body ... returning back to the memory may be very different and that is what concerns me... If I cannot return to the memory what then? That is way beyond my comprehension
P.S Over the years I have had several other memories of the previous incarnation of my pure spiritual self on the Enterprise other than when the physical entity was killed.. Its interesting you mentioned about my first landing on a carrier ....One of the memories I have is being waved off twice maybe three times from landing... I have no clue if it was my first attempt or not

All The Best
 
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unique experience:

this morning i felt the sensations allowing for the opportunity to have an out of body experience. as the feelings took over my body i heard someone talking. i was open and intent on listening to their conversation. i even think they were making reference to me and i spoke. speaking was very difficult. it required a lot of energy and it felt kind of slow.
i said "hello!" "i can hear you. can you hear me?" he said yes. i replied again, "i can hear you" - i asked, "who are you?" he didn't reply with an answer. i said, "can you tell me your name?" he told me to shut up. i replied, "only if you tell me who you are" and then, very aggressively he replied in a low almost growl like tone which had this feeling of, reverberation "NO"
and, surprised I could relay the same tone back to him i replied, "NO" in the same manner.

after this the conversation ceased... i had to attempt to project again. this first projection i could not see the people and i couldn't really leave my body, like all my energy was focused on having a conversation. what was interesting to note was this was the clearest projection of my, "Astral" self I've ever seen. what i mean is, at one point i DID try to leave my body and i only saw my fingertips as literal ghost-like energy. I could feel them, see their outlining and see through them. I even wiggled and flared my fingers about, fascinated by how clear things were. Everything was exact to where I rest my head and the angle of the furniture in the room. Sometimes the ghost like fingertips would turn into whispy shadow on/off again.

So, onto the second projection... my dogs were laying with me and the boy dog was also in the astral space with me, whose body had that same ghostly outlining- you could FEEL him and his presence better then you could see him, but i did see him and he was wagging his tail. this time someone honed in on me and the voice was much different... part distant, part... robotic, someone was explaining to me why i was hearing people talking, how I had gotten there but I can't remember any of it. I had projected and my astral self was sitting up against the wall in my bedroom listening to this person talking. They were giving me so much information and talking at a different speed, I felt like I hadn't the energy to relay back or even retain what they were saying. after this I woke up to find my boy dog sleeping next to me, he wasn't sitting up like he was in the astral, and I fell back asleep and slipped into a lucid dream..

Alright. that's my journal entry this morning, I have to rush off to work and will try to edit later... I didn't want to forget the experience and I chronicle here because typing it all out is faster. TY for the space...
 
had an opportunity to project this morning. there are similarities each time. when the crossing over occurs sometimes i pick up on people talking. today was different in that i was picking up on rapid chatter in a unfamiliar language. the feeling i got was there were little aliens up to no good wherever i had projected. :D the reality is probably that the fear i felt created a poor experience. even though i was fascinated by this unique language i tried to ward off the projection and ended up slipping into a fearful/vivid dream like i had brought these unwanted entities with me... the initial feeling i got was i was in the company of "grays" that people talk about, but i might be wrong. i don't like going into something feeling so uneasy and think this altered my overall experience.
as a youth that would slip into sleep paralysis i speculate what i was witnessing than was a type of subconscious plane where my emotions were thrown out before me and usually any aggressive or fearful experience was an aspect of myself and the result of my own making. i say this because i've since gone in more open minded and generally have a more pleasant experience as a result. i can't say this is true all the time since i have experienced lessons and events outside my control. it makes you wonder as to the entities you encounter and why.
 
a question on astral projection/manifestation

the other day i noticed a white feather, being in the city, i didn't think much of it. this morning, laying in bed, a tiny white spark caught my eye which transformed into a small translucent(white) feather that gently moved down across me before it disappeared.

is this an astral manifestation? i am grateful for it- maybe this is just a greeting from a friend on some other side? maybe this is a a sign i need to enter stillness... ?

so my question, for those who've experienced some OBE- have you ever witnessed something from the astral world happen while you're walking down the street? or just going about your day?
 
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That's so wonderful with the feather .
I have now and the noticed glittering little sparkles that last only seconds. When I have asked someone if they have seen that too they say they haven't. But I don't know what it is. At first I thought it could be dust particles and that a certain light would make them temporarily look like that. But then it happened where there was no such natural light, windows, but for instance in the bathroom (where we have no window). I still don't have a clue to if this could be something natural or what you now described as astral manifestation. I have totally missed this astral manifestation thing, did not think it could be possible, so thank you for sharing a little light on the subject :)

/Jaimie
 
yesterday, day time, i tried to meditate in the backyard and project myself out of body. i was unsuccessful. this morning in dream i was in the backyard and floating up towards the sun. the sun was in a similar position as it was yesterday. the feeling was so joyful i became stupid. i believe an outside force was trying to grab my attention but all i really remember was focusing on the sun which was shining through its cloud covering. the experience ended shortly as i was intoxicated with bliss and tried controlling the sensation to go higher. i wonder how my efforts in the real have intertwined with this brief projection since i am certain that's what it was. the construct was my backyard, the sun... how does time work in the astral, since the sun was in a different position than the waking time... ? posting for record and for contemplation.
 
yesterday, day time, i tried to meditate in the backyard and project myself out of body. i was unsuccessful. this morning in dream i was in the backyard and floating up towards the sun. the sun was in a similar position as it was yesterday. the feeling was so joyful i became stupid. i believe an outside force was trying to grab my attention but all i really remember was focusing on the sun which was shining through its cloud covering. the experience ended shortly as i was intoxicated with bliss and tried controlling the sensation to go higher. i wonder how my efforts in the real have intertwined with this brief projection since i am certain that's what it was. the construct was my backyard, the sun... how does time work in the astral, since the sun was in a different position than the waking time... ? posting for record and for contemplation.


Cloud potato, I have had a few OBE's over the years and for me to have a conscious experience it starts off as a lucid dream. From there it turns into a conscious OBE. From my experience and I can only speak for myself; time is experienced differently on the 4th dimension. What might seem like a day on the 4th dimension only a few minutes has occurred here. In a way this make some sense because when your awareness and consciousness is operating on the astral you are experiencing reality on a higher vibrational frequency. As the lowest astral matter is finer than the highest physical matter which I believe is helium. So everything is speeded up. A lot!

Also astral matter is very fluid and capable of molding itself to what ever form the mind creates. Which is why ones scenery and enviourment changes very quickly. So our perception of time as we understand it is some what morphed. As one can go forward or backward in linear time as we understand it. When we transcend the astral and go beyond to the mental or soul plane time is no longer linear. In fact when we reach the soul plane there is no time at all as soul resonate beyond the mind. Which is why it is eternal. Time there is experience as a singularity where all possible outcomes and all possible realities exist all at once. It is from this state of awareness where we chose to incarnate into the lower worlds of duality where liner time still exists. So anyway the reason why the sun in your experience was in a different position than in your waking consciousness on the physical is because you where experiencing it from an astral state of consciousness.

Hope this helps. some. In any case thanks for sharing your experiences. It sounded really interesting.

Love and peace P.
 
What might seem like a day on the 4th dimension only a few minutes has occurred here. In a way this make some sense because when your awareness and consciousness is operating on the astral you are experiencing reality on a higher vibrational frequency. As the lowest astral matter is finer than the highest physical matter which I believe is helium. So everything is speeded up. A lot!

I don't think such pseudo-scientific terminology really counts as an explanation. At best, such wording can be considered as a metaphor or as a poetic expression. To try to bring convention science into the description, such as the reference to helium, needs to be understood likewise as a metaphor or poetic licence.

At least these are my opinions on this style of expression.
 
I don't think such pseudo-scientific terminology really counts as an explanation. At best, such wording can be considered as a metaphor or as a poetic expression. To try to bring convention science into the description, such as the reference to helium, needs to be understood likewise as a metaphor or poetic licence.

I'm curious: how would you describe it then?

I doubt helium has anything to do with the astral dimension, but apart from that, I think Polaris8's explanation is not bad at all.
 
Recently, I've found some information and validation about mental wandering. It seems to be a 'real thing'. I've even found a kind of handbook for Magicians in which it is mentioned in a way that I recognize.

So, my friend was curious if she could do the same. This is the same person with whom I already share an experience we can't explain (she saw me while astral traveling while I was mental traveling). I explained and instructed her how to do it (I have certain rules that I follow) and she had a successful experience on her own. I was so proud of her.

One week later, we decided to start experiments together. From now on, we'll have weekly sessions of 15 minutes each time, in which we will train ourselves and do experiments. The first time was some days ago. We both agreed that 15 minutes would be enough to start with because it can take a lot of energy (in contrary to astral travel).

It was a highly interesting experience. We had marked an imaginary place where we should meet each other. I preferred that to a physical place. We would meet at the stone bench she had created the first time she tried this mental wandering.

I went into this state of mind and it didn't take me long to find a stone bench along the path I was walking on. I doubted if this was the same one as hers but I decided not to leave the place and wait for her to come. It was a sand path on a hillside. I enjoyed my view of the landscape while I was sitting on the bench. I saw some hills, houses, a small town further on and far away were some real mountains. It was a cloudy day. Sometimes there were sudden beams of sunlight but mostly it was cloudy and sunless. When I looked down at the ground, my vision was very sharp, I could almost taste the dust of the path and almost hear the sound of the small stones under my feet while walking. Looking into a great distance, my vision was less sharp.

I was a bit restless, as I would have been in normal life. I set down, stood up, paced back and forth the bench, went back to sit on the back of the bench with my feet on the seat. I concentrated on my clothes because I wanted her to notice my clothes (last time I seemed to wear exactly what I was wearing in real life). I started to roll some tobacco as another typical thing I wanted her to notice and remember. Finally, I did another experiment, I took some paracetamol and swallowed them with some water from a bottle. (In real-time, I suffer headaches, so I was wondering if this could help as a side-experiment).

Then I saw her coming downhill. She was a vague image of herself, not translucent but not solid either. She didn't greet me but just sat next to me for some time. I was very careful not to touch her. Suddenly she had vanished.

So before I continue with the second part of this experience, I'll tell her side of the story.
It appeared that she had had trouble concentrating, something unusual to her. She was distracted time after time but she really wanted to finish the experiment. She did notice me, but only when she had come close to the bench, not while she was heading towards it. She couldn't say exactly what I was wearing, she said I was dressed in black and my hair was bound. Both were true, btw. She said she went to sit next to me and that we sat there some time in silence until she got distracted again and was gone.

All in all not extremely spectacular, but our experiences matched. The only thing that didn't match was the time of day. I experienced daytime and she had experienced nighttime.
 
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