How Do I Know This Dream Was Real?

[Alinochka]

Where to begin...

I was a young woman and I feel like I was on the run and had been kidnapped by these group of men in this abandoned school. Like they had taken over the school. (Maybe SS officers). I think it would have been the fourties. They wanted me to dance for them and entertain them. They made me drink and drink. Then later I was forced into a bathroom stall and was raped and he cut my skin with a knife all over. But I don’t think I died there.
I woke up screaming at the top of my lungs after. I never do that. The dream felt strangely vivid. Perhaps it was me releasing that negative energy.

As for the school I’ve looked and searched for possible abandoned schools and couldn’t find any that matched the discription.

I’ve had feelings this was during WWII. I don’t know. I’ve been obsessed with learning and reading about anything related to this time period that I could possibly obtain. I have no idea why. I’m not sure if it’s something I’m curious about or if there is a deeper reason behind it. I don’t know if what I’ve read and researched had just got to my head.

I do know that when I was little I didn’t know how to draw a star without lifting the pencil. For example I drew it like the Star of David. I was adopted from Russia in this lifetime. And so I don’t know what trauma from that may be overlapping with this possible past life. I always freaked out when I’m standing in my room and I hear someone walk up the stairs a certain way. Like an small anxiety attack and compulsion to run and get to bed. Or hide.

Doesn’t anyone have any input or suggestions for where to investigate this?? Has anyone else experienced something similar to this?

 

[Jaimie]

Hi, very sorry you've had this nightmare.

Could be that parts of it is true or all of it.

The answer could also be in details, if you remember seeing some details at the school or something to give away where you were. You could also go by pure feeling, where did you feel you were, language etc, the hunch feeling.

Like for me I had a feeling from a life in the 1920's that "my man" was older or had a big brother vibe to him, but I could not make it out since I could see us at school together and he was suppose to be my age. Much later when I think I have found a good candidate for who he was -- he was older, he had been away because he had gotten himself in legal trouble and was punished for it (although the sentence was shorten), and then return, but he was popular, nobody dared messing with him, I could feel that it was not so much fear but a kind of natural respect. I am not sure people even knew he had been away, perhaps he did not mention his true age. So even if there are things that does not make sense to you now my advice is to still trust your first feeling.

You could ask for spiritual help, protection. I really think you should considering how bad this nightmare was/is.

/Jaimie

 

[Alinochka]

Thank you for your response, I had this nightmare years ago. I was watching this movie last night, Inglorious Basterds (the Quentin Tarantino film) and when I they were shooting the hidden family through the floorboards I started crying uncontrollably. Naturally that is a tragic scene. But it felt extra personal.

 

[Eva1942]

Thank you for your response, I had this nightmare years ago. I was watching this movie last night, Inglorious Basterds (the Quentin Tarantino film) and when I they were shooting the hidden family through the floorboards I started crying uncontrollably. Naturally that is a tragic scene. But it felt extra personal.

Inglorious Basterds is probably IMO one of the worst WWII films. I’ve seen a few duds and I’ve seen a few good ones.

I do not know too much about the Holocaust in Russia, but I do know that it’s likely what you dreamed could have happened. I say ‘could’ because of my lack of knowledge.

Woman really were raped by SS men, but those men were sadistic and considered their duty in the SS and subsequently their ‘Holocaust actions’ as something to uphold. Some men took it VERY seriously, while others still had a moral compass and considered it all quite.. well.. distasteful.

I don’t know of any abandoned schools that were taken over by the SS, but there was one in Kladno, Bohemia, (the Protektorate of Bohemia and Moravia) that was occupied by the SS in June 1942 for the detainment of woman and children from nearby Lidice after the assassination of Obergruppenführer Heydrich.

I’m sorry I cant be too much more of a help, but I hope you find your peace, soon. I also agree with Jaimie who mentions you should request spiritual help and protection to help deal with this.

Love, Eva x

 

[fireflydancing]

Hi Alinochka,

Welcome to the forum!
What an awful nightmare you told us. Did this happen once or did you dream more often alike?
Maybe it's a 'relieve' or maybe it's a 'disappointment' but in my opinion, your dream contains a high level of archetypical symbolism. I've had similar dreams (including being held hostage in a school and being chased relentlessly after escaping) and I know they make a big impact and will stay with you for years and years to remember. You don't know if this particular dream was 'real' (as in being a memory of a past life) until they become repetitive and more detailed.

 

[Alinochka]

Inglorious Basterds is probably IMO one of the worst WWII films. I’ve seen a few duds and I’ve seen a few good ones.

I do not know too much about the Holocaust in Russia, but I do know that it’s likely what you dreamed could have happened. I say ‘could’ because of my lack of knowledge.

Woman really were raped by SS men, but those men were sadistic and considered their duty in the SS and subsequently their ‘Holocaust actions’ as something to uphold. Some men took it VERY seriously, while others still had a moral compass and considered it all quite.. well.. distasteful.

I don’t know of any abandoned schools that were taken over by the SS, but there was one in Kladno, Bohemia, (the Protektorate of Bohemia and Moravia) that was occupied by the SS in June 1942 for the detainment of woman and children from nearby Lidice after the assassination of Obergruppenführer Heydrich.

I’m sorry I cant be too much more of a help, but I hope you find your peace, soon. I also agree with Jaimie who mentions you should request spiritual help and protection to help deal with this.

Love, Eva x

I understand that movie isn’t a good example. But the scene where they shoot the family really did something to me. I tried to do a regression but none of the information was clear and felt forced. I couldn’t keep anything consistent when prompted questions. Nothing felt right or correct. As for the Suggestion about Lidice I will meditate on it. Thank you so much for the suggestion! As for the spiritual protection, I work with the Archangels and my spiritual team countless times a day to insure I’m protected spiritually and physically. Especially with working in retail haha.

 

[Alinochka]

Hi Alinochka,

Welcome to the forum!
What an awful nightmare you told us. Did this happen once or did you dream more often alike?
Maybe it's a 'relieve' or maybe it's a 'disappointment' but in my opinion, your dream contains a high level of archetypical symbolism. I've had similar dreams (including being held hostage in a school and being chased relentlessly after escaping) and I know they make a big impact and will stay with you for years and years to remember. You don't know if this particular dream was 'real' (as in being a memory of a past life) until they become repetitive and more detailed.

One dream, but extremely vivid. Not like a stress dream. Which I’ve had those before. I know when I went to camp when I was younger I was told I was speaking a different language in my sleep. Maybe more than once. Maybe I don’t remember them. The mind will go to great lengths to protect itself. I just want to be open to what it may be. Because to be certain of everything is to know nothing at all.

 

[fireflydancing]

Hi Alinochka, finding back former lives can be a long journey for some of us. Like you say, the mind will go to great lengths to protect itself. If there are traumatic incidents hidden in your very past life that block your knowing, it's possible to skip this life and explore others first. In the end, the validation of past lives shouldn't be the goal to strive for. The most important thing is learning about yourself, your great Soul, healing your broken parts.

About your dream, you should even be prepared that these horrible events took place under different circumstances, in another timeframe. Your emotions were raw and deep but your mind could have filled in the blanks with images that are familiar to you in this life.

What I will say next is just for you to keep an open mind, I am not devaluating your experience. Since I was a child I was drawn to Judaism somehow, I had carried some traces of victimhood in my spiritual backpack. I felt a deep connection to Poland when I visited this country in my twenties. I was (and still am) horrified of torture and persecution. So when I was younger I assumed I must have been a holocaust victim because that was the template that was available to me.

Now, I am in my fifties and only for a couple of years, I started to actively remember past lives. I can't say I know all my past lives but the scenery has changed completely. All the clues that I had gathered in my younger years seem to be distributed over different lives. Yes, I did live in Poland but I was not Jewish at that time. Yes, I have been Jewish in history but I was a Sephardic jew in Toledo, probably the daughter of a rabbi. And in quite another life I experienced a traumatic ending in captivity. And so on.

 

[Eva1942]

As for the Suggestion about Lidice I will meditate on it. Thank you so much for the suggestion!

The Gymnasium in Kladno was ONLY used as a holding point for woman and children from Lidice, I don’t actually think it was abandoned. Forgot to mention that..

Yes, I have been Jewish in history but I was a Sephardic jew in Toledo, probably the daughter of a rabbi.

Sephardic Jews spoke Ladino. How do you feel when you hear Ladino language? In my WWII lifetime I was Ashkenazi, and spoke Yiddish and German. I love Yiddish, but when I heard Ladino for the first time when I was researching, it sounded like such a beautiful language! Unfortunately, not many native Ladino speakers are in the Sephardic community now according to Yad Vashem, which is sad.

Eva x

 

[Jaimie]

Just thinking...it could not have been an abonden jewish school ? I mean they forced jews in to areas to live etc before moving them to concentration camps, right ? I feel terrible just writing this...

 

[Cyrus]

Ladino is just a medieval Spanish, so medieval, that the term "spanish language" didn't yet exist, and everybody spoke in vulgar latin - the latin brought to Spain by Roman merchants, soldiers and slave-traders. The "d" inside this word - "ladino" instead of "latino" - is due to the celtic phonetic influence - the aborigens of Spain were mostly celts.
It's curious how the jews everywhere forgot completely their own language in emigration and acquired the language of the local population, in contrast, e.g. to the basques and arabs. Another example could be Yiddish (medieval German). In Alexandria (Egypt) they even had to translate the Bible into Greek, because they didn't understand it anymore in Hebrew. A good example of a cultural integration the lack of which is now so reproached to the immigrants in Europe.

So, a good approximation to hearing "Ladino" could be just to hear a plain modern Spanish. It could bring some memories, too.

 

[Alinochka]

Just thinking...it could not have been an abonden jewish school ? I mean they forced jews in to areas to live etc before moving them to concentration camps, right ? I feel terrible just writing this...

That is possible unfortunately.

 

[fireflydancing]

Sephardic Jews spoke Ladino. How do you feel when you hear Ladino language?

I can sing it, understand it. It helps that I speak Spanish too but that's not the explanation. I love the lullabies and the religious songs about Abraham for example. I had a friend whose father was a native speaker of Ladino. Through him, I got in contact with the music for the first time (about 35 years ago).
Hearing the music and language makes me feel grounded, more complete. I just know it's part of me and my history. In that life, I studied books (most likely religious books) under the guidance of an older man but not publicly (because I was female). The man protected me and my lust for knowledge, so I assume he was my father. And because he had access to 'everything', I consider he was a rabbi. I don't know if the music and songs were part of my life by then, I don't think so. But now they are a kind of bridge.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Alinochka,

I wouldn't get too tied down to the idea of SS men or Germans being the perpetrators at all. You're pretty low on specifics at this point, it might be a mistake to get tied down to one specific idea of who the "perpetrators" necessarily were during what seemed like a WWII scenario. You may want to check out the resources listed in my post #85 on this thread:

http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/memories-of-early-theosophists.5570/page-5

The outrages perpetrated by the Red Army during WWII were enormous, so what you may be remembering could also be on the other side.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--BTW, I don't have a stake in whether it was one side or the other. IMO, if there is a Hell, Hitler and Stalin are both roasting on a spit there. Likewise, the Red Army, which had been encouraged to seek revenge, was truly a horrible and despicable instrument of cruelty and death in doing so. Whether they equaled the Nazis on that score, I will leave for others to argue.

 

[Jaimie]

Alinochka, do you remember if you have had a persistent nightmare when you were very young, usually ending around age of 7 or younger. If you don't remember you could ask your adopted parents perhaps ?

I ask this because with me my family clearly remembered when I would have a nightmare that was not like the rest. It was really bad. I would sort of be trapped in it. I would see things in details that I did not understand (with child's eyes).

Many, many years later when I thought I had found my past life self's identity I read about what they thought had killed her. It was not how I had experience it in my nightmare.

Then even more years ahead I could read about it being the way it had been in my nightmare. Private investigation. I wish to God my nightmare had been false, but it had not.

If you have had a returning nightmare from childhood there might be details there that could be of use to you.

/Jaimie

 

[Alinochka]

Alinochka, do you remember if you have had a persistent nightmare when you were very young, usually ending around age of 7 or younger. If you don't remember you could ask your adopted parents perhaps ?

I ask this because with me my family clearly remembered when I would have a nightmare that was not like the rest. It was really bad. I would sort of be trapped in it. I would see things in details that I did not understand (with child's eyes).

Many, many years later when I thought I had found my past life self's identity I read about what they thought had killed her. It was not how I had experience it in my nightmare.

Then even more years ahead I could read about it being the way it had been in my nightmare. Private investigation. I wish to God my nightmare had been false, but it had not.

If you have had a returning nightmare from childhood there might be details there that could be of use to you.

/Jaimie

I don’t know how useful this is, but I had recurring nightmares about musk oxen. They terrified me. Probably not important.

However I just did a past life oracle card reading for myself and drew these 3 cards: 1. Celtic, 2. Wars and Battles, 3. Persecution and Inquisition.

Now the two of those makes sense but the 3rd? Maybe someone has some information that might shed some light on this??

Maybe they pertain to more than one lifetime. I know I’ve had a Celtic past life before. And I feel like it was trying to gain relevance lately. I did a PL regression from YouTube the other day and it felt jumbled and forced. Nothing was clear. It looked like Ireland the parts that made any sense. But I feel like that might have been a different lifetime. But maybe something similar happened to me in that lifetime as it did in the one that I’m looking into now???? The picture for the Celtic card has cobblestone on it. In my regression I saw interior cobblestone floor. Maybe it’s only representing that? I know there was a lot of cobblestone in houses and outside all over Europe.

 

[Jaimie]

I don’t know how useful this is, but I had recurring nightmares about musk oxen. They terrified me. Probably not important.

However I just did a past life oracle card reading for myself and drew these 3 cards: 1. Celtic, 2. Wars and Battles, 3. Persecution and Inquisition.

Now the two of those makes sense but the 3rd? Maybe someone has some information that might shed some light on this??

Maybe they pertain to more than one lifetime. I know I’ve had a Celtic past life before. And I feel like it was trying to gain relevance lately. I did a PL regression from YouTube the other day and it felt jumbled and forced. Nothing was clear. It looked like Ireland the parts that made any sense. But I feel like that might have been a different lifetime. But maybe something similar happened to me in that lifetime as it did in the one that I’m looking into now???? The picture for the Celtic card has cobblestone on it. In my regression I saw interior cobblestone floor. Maybe it’s only representing that? I know there was a lot of cobblestone in houses and outside all over Europe.

Ah, the musk oxen. Before I defined them to be living among the Indians and cowboys from old US movies. Then as we were abroad (not the US) I suddenly saw a bunch of them out on a field, and went wait, what ? They have been/are spreading in bigger areas of the world than I had imagined. From a quick look on Wikipedia I see they were in Germany and Siberia too. I can understand you grew a fear as a small child of those big, hairy animals (good luck with a blow dryer on that one, ha ha).

God, I'm not good with the card things, so I'm sorry I can't be of any help there. Hopefully someone else knows this better than I do.

Ah, the cobblestone. I once saw a black-and white chess kind of floor in one of my regressions and was use to seeing it bigger and only knew it to be modern in the 1950's but as someone was kind enough to point out to me on this forum it goes way back, but then more popular to be smaller boxes-design to them. My regression touched the 1910's-20's time.

So what we can be sure of at this point is that you were in Europe. You wrote before that other kids reacted to you speaking another language in your sleep. Maybe your parents reacted to that too, maybe find out more specific what language. But then again we don't know if it is the past life you are looking for, maybe it is some other language.

All in it's time. I know there are things that I have been blocked from knowing and if so one should not try to force it open. Mine can be as tough as having people erased from my memories to then much, much later show up and give a different light to the meaning behind some things I already thought I had figured out. So one never knows

Thank you for reporting back, it is interesting to learn what you have experienced. Please, take care

/Jaimie

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Alinochka,

If you are interested in learning about persecution and inquisition, you may wish to begin delving into the history of these two as a linked phenomenon, beginning with the place that the two of these became linked and the Inquisition actually began: The Crusade and follow-up Inquisition used to exterminate Catharism and the Cathars in Southern France. As a brief introduction, the Cathars (which was the name they were given by their enemies) were a group of reincarnationist Christians in Europe c. 1000s -1300s and after.

This is a big topic. There is a long string of very interesting books on the topic (from an esoteric standpoint) by Dr. Arthur Guirdham. A quick introduction can be obtained from Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism Another excellent source is: http://www.cathar.info/ There is also a long-running "Cathar" thread that is active on the board right now at: http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/pleased-to-meet-you-all-and-any-cathars.677/ And, Jaimie has memories from a lifetime in Italy, which was also a hotbed of Catharism (and its related cousin Bogomilism), where she experienced some persecution related to the unique beliefs and practices of the Cathars/Bogomils. So, she is also a good source.

In short, this is an enormous topic, and one of my obsessions (though the Inquisition did such a good job of wiping out records of the Cathars that we don't have as much as I would like on their beliefs and theology).

Good luck!

Cordially,
S&S

 

[KenJ]

If I recall correctly, the leaders that were captured in [??] were placed in a rudderless ship and set-sail. That is how they ended up in France.

I wanted to add that St. Augustine was rote about his belief in reincarnation, again, if I remember correctly.

 

[KenJ]

Back to the topic OP, for me, it is a physical sensation and a feeling that there was something DIFERENT about it that I recognized from having experienced it before where I learned years later what that feeling meant- a communication from my guide!

 

[Polaris8]

Where to begin...

I was a young woman and I feel like I was on the run and had been kidnapped by these group of men in this abandoned school. Like they had taken over the school. (Maybe SS officers). I think it would have been the fourties. They wanted me to dance for them and entertain them. They made me drink and drink. Then later I was forced into a bathroom stall and was raped and he cut my skin with a knife all over. But I don’t think I died there.
I woke up screaming at the top of my lungs after. I never do that. The dream felt strangely vivid. Perhaps it was me releasing that negative energy.

As for the school I’ve looked and searched for possible abandoned schools and couldn’t find any that matched the discription.

I’ve had feelings this was during WWII. I don’t know. I’ve been obsessed with learning and reading about anything related to this time period that I could possibly obtain. I have no idea why. I’m not sure if it’s something I’m curious about or if there is a deeper reason behind it. I don’t know if what I’ve read and researched had just got to my head.

I do know that when I was little I didn’t know how to draw a star without lifting the pencil. For example I drew it like the Star of David. I was adopted from Russia in this lifetime. And so I don’t know what trauma from that may be overlapping with this possible past life. I always freaked out when I’m standing in my room and I hear someone walk up the stairs a certain way. Like an small anxiety attack and compulsion to run and get to bed. Or hide.

Doesn’t anyone have any input or suggestions for where to investigate this?? Has anyone else experienced something similar to this?

Alinchllka, That was a very intense story. Funny you should ask if dreams are real. Basically yes they are! When we dream at night our consciousness is focused and working on the astral plane 4th dimension of reality. There the laws of physics work differently then they do here. This is because matter on that dimension is vibrating very fast and it is also very fine in nature. Astral matter responds to thought or the mind and emotion very quickly there. Which is why reality on that dimension is even more illusionary then the physical is. Plus our environment that surrounds us changes very quickly. Which is why dreaming can be confusing at times. However while we are incarnated our lower ego (the subconscious) tends to block out much of what is actually taking place on that dimension while we are dreaming simply because we are still attached to the physical body. However we can either by accident or consciously choosing to remember PL's while in the dream state. Our PL's memories are stored within the soul/causal body which resonates on a much higher dimension than the astral plane. However if the emotions from the Past life where strong enough they can filter down into the subconscious while dreaming on the astral. There by re-living the memory stored on an emotional level of awareness on that dimension.

Children in general have a much easier time remembering their PL because their physical and inner bodies, astral and mental bodies are still developing. Giving the soul easier access to PL memories. Adults have a much harder time remembering PL because their lower ego and personality in this lifetime has taken hold firmly and grounds them to the physical plane for the span of that lifetime on earth. They will only remember once they cross over after death as our consciousness now shifts from physical to astral. The body now that has been dropped is no longer a hinders to PL memory anymore as the soul is now in full consciousness in the astral body now.

So from the sound of it you might have had a glimpse of a PL memory. I can't say for sure however since you describe your desire to know more about that time period and if that dream occurs again in the future then it is a indication of PL memory as an adult. Only when the soul has evolved enough is spiritual awareness are we allowed access to such memories. As many of them can be disturbing to the present personality now being lived out in this life. So keep a note pad near your bed and record anything you remember when awaking up. Anything! Even if it sounds weird, does not make senses ect.. In time the pieces of the puzzle will fall into place if you have patience's doing this. Best of luck to you my dear.

Love and peace always P.