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HI S&S.. I could never answer all of your questions in any detail because I do not process the knowledge What I can and will talk about I will post over several posts.. With this post I will talk about what I have talked about before several times.. and it's central to my understandings .. but I have limitations of what I can pass on... and that is the ritual John Tat must go through as the physical body is dying..As I have talked about before... Over a long period of time.. several years or more I have been given piece by piece explicit and detailed instructions of what John Tat must do as his physical body is dying.. as he is going through the process of dying.. It is a ritual.. that is what was passed onto me.. a ritual which is probably part of the sacred knowledge.. As I said I asked BB why me ..Why John Tat why was I chosen.. BB told me I was chosen a long time ago because I'm some sort of clean skin.. an unknown entity.. ideal for what they needed.. I sometimes think that is why all of my life I have had great difficulty understanding difficult and complicated writings and situations.. I cannot do it... Yet as I have said I have a reasonably hi IQ.. as I have said these tests I have done.. those tests where you must see patterns then answer the question.. Most times I easily see a pattern and the answer is easy for me There are probably other IQ tests but these are the ones I have had to do to test my abilities to do specific tasks.. As I said as a result I have a reasonably high IQ but with sever limitations to be educated..as I have said I only went to 10th grade at school.. I think they knew what they were doing when they chose me or they prevented me from being distracted by the writings and the beliefs of others.. I think I needed to be a clean skin in every way This is probably why I know what has been communicated to me and will never allow any other beliefs to tarnish what I know to be true.. So this dying ritual is very important.. While mediating sometimes I have a driving need to practice over and over again what I have been taught to do It must become automatic for me because there will be plenty going on that could distract me.. I cannot make a mistake.. I'm talking about this first'... and only passing on what I feel comfortable passing on to show you any to attempt to analyze what happens and why it happens on a physical level is a waste of time.. I'm sure its all to do with sacred knowledge
As and when John Tat dies it will not be a normal death.. it will b a very controlled death for very specific reasons and outcomes.. BB will still be inside John Tat right up to the moment of his death,, right up to the time John Tat reaches the first gate ..all the time going through a sacred ceremony from the very beginning of the dying process to the monument of death when John Tat reaches the first gate
There is no point trying to analyze any of this on a physical level or the knowledge that already known

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I've always known you were smart. My assumption was that you might have some type of dyslexia. This was something that no one knew about when I was young, and you're older than I am so they probably didn't know about it when you were coming up either. I first heard about it in regard to a nephew back (probably) in the late 70s who had difficulty reading. As it worked out, he eventually became an electrical engineer, so no trouble with smarts. However, he really had a tough time in school because of this when he was growing up. Anyhow, believe me, I've never doubted your smarts.

Moving on to the subject of questions, most of them are aimed at two things. Overall, I wanted to find out:

A. Whether Or D Ha was currently a physical being or non-physical being and get further explanation either way.

B. What happens to the personality of John Tat after BB and Or D Ha are united, and get further explanation.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I was only talking about myself in a the same way I talk to myself as I search for why I was chosen .. Maybe I have it all wrong on why but I think you have to have some abilities to even to begin to
begin to get a grip on what is being communicated.. Its very similar to the IQ tests I was given .. Puzzles of all different types things I must find solutions to...to even begin to unravel the communications
Without this ability I would never be able to do what I do
Your posts get me thinking about what has been passed on...for example.. you talked about mummies/mummification As I thought about that and how Ancient Egyptians were very much into mummification and the reasons the experts believe they did it.. is very similar to what has been passed onto me about the abilities of BB and Or D Ha to return over and over again.. In my opinion this is not some sort of fluke or coincidence..Why Ancient Egyptian mummified there dead was for specific reasons ..very similar reasons to what has been communicated to me about BB and Or D Ha
In my opinion it should be considered there was far more to mummification in Ancient Egypt than is currently understood
In my opinion when you are talking about physical personality ...that there would be a clash between Or D Ha's personalty and those inherited from his physical parents you have to take into consideration Or D Ha along with BB will not be controlled by anything in the physical let alone there physical parents hereditary.. They have there own very powerful hereditary and ways
It may be difficult for you to understand the following... Or D Ha is trapped in the incarnation process.. he cannot get out until the newly awakened BB gets him out. It would go against everything you and everyone else believes about the incarnation process that this is possible. You should consider BB and Or D Ha have been around for a long time and have the knowledge and abilities passed onto them by the gods during there time in Ancient Egypt.. As I said you cannot judge any of this by current knowledge and beliefs
John Tat will go back to where he originally came from.. He will go home.. I know and understand this to be true... The thing is.. I'm sure John Tat also originally came from Ancient Egypt

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I think the whole mummification process might be very important as well, now that you mention it. However, you have not answered my question about Or D Ha. Is he in a non-physical state at this point (which I assume), or is he somehow in a physical state? In connection with the mummification process, it could be that the mummification of his body after death somehow allows him to continue in existence as a personality in the near earth environment, often referred to as the astral plane or world. I think the Egyptians may have had some ideas of this type.

I'm also not sure what you mean in terms of the heredity of the baby Or D Ha will inhabit. If personality is inherited from the parents, which you insist, there will already be an inherited personality (from that baby's parents) in whatever baby Or D Ha is put into. Consequently, if Or D Ha's personality is to take over, that means the baby's inherited personality will have to be terminated, erased or otherwise suppressed. So, the process you outline necessarily involves "killing" the inherited personality of the baby to be born so that all that is left is the body to be controlled by Or D Ha and BB. I don't see how it could be any other way based on your concept of inherited personality. I.e., if personality is inherited (as you insist), and Or D Ha is a personality, he is going to have to get rid of the inherited personality of the baby in order to hijack its body.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S Yes you are right.. When Or D Ha and BB occupy a physical entity any inherited personality from the parents of the fetus cannot manifest itself.. If you call the killing any inherited personality from its parents then so be it.. I do not see it that way.. there will be nothing there to kill or to get rid off or suppress.. it will never emerge that would require those actions.. You cannot suppress something that doesn't exist to begin with
Make no mistake our spiritual selves do not have a personality.. that's a physical thing

All The Best
 
Hi John,

Your belief that personality is inherited brings up a lot of questions about "personality". Some I have already asked about Or D Ha, but I'll ask again:

1. Is Or D Ha non-physical or physical at the present time?

2. What happens to personalities after their physical body of origin dies? Do they cease to exist, or do they linger in the non-physical in some form? From what you are indicating, they don't reincarnate except via special techniques you have described.

3. You have always said you were there in ancient Egypt. Are you talking about BB, Or D Ha, or the personality currently named John Tat being there in ancient Egypt?

4. If John Tat's personality was there in ancient Egypt, then since you say personality is inherited, your current personality must have been originally inherited from parents in ancient Egypt. So, how did you come to be where you are now? Were you (your personality) put into place like Or D Ha plans to be, displacing someone else's inherited personality to become "John Tat"?

5. When you talk about being able (as a personality) to go home, and mention ancient Egypt, are you speaking about your personality going someplace like ancient Egypt, your personality going back in time to ancient Egypt, or what?

This whole thing with personality being inherited is very confusing to me.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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Hi John,

Since I didn't hear from you last night, I guess I'll go on with some other thoughts. I'm wondering if personalities are left behind like bodies when the true spiritual self moves on after death. If so, then there are going to be a whole lot of these personalities left behind over history. I have to assume that they dissipate or decay over time, just like the physical body does. Moreover, I have to question whether the left behind "personalities" have any consciousness without the spiritual self. To me, they seem to be more like a pattern for behavior/action.

I.e., I guess personalities are something like the software that allows a computer to function. The computer hardware (is like the body/brain), the personality is like the software on the computer allowing it to function, the spiritual self is something bigger operating through the computer and software both in terms of data input, long-term memory storage and power input. When the computer dies and its connection to the power and data are disconnected, its software is no longer operative, or at best lingers a bit as a decaying and possibly unconscious remnant. There might be some reason to upload the software to the "cloud" for later usage, but otherwise it seems like its purpose is over. I suppose this might be where Or D Ha now exists. And, maybe this is where John Tat will end up. For others, like the WWII flyer, their memory may be preserved, but otherwise they're is gone. It all seems a bit grim to me. However, I'm just guessing. You'll have to clear the matter up from your end.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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I'm wondering if personalities are left behind like bodies when the true spiritual self moves on after death. If so, then there are going to be a whole lot of these personalities left behind over history. I have to assume that they dissipate or decay over time, just like the physical body does.
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I am not answering for John, I just want to say that here again the definition of 'personality' causes confusion. If the energy that was once experiencing a physical lifetime can be labeled a 'personality' it would make perfect sense for this to be true. On the other hand, if 'personality' was only defined as being the attributes exhibited being believed to belong to the soul itself which would seem to not fit with what John is saying.

Personally, I consider the former to be reasonable, so what John said fits pretty well. And, yes it would leave various 'personalities' that still exist as energy-forms of some kind that could be remembered, contacted, and had communication from.

John's statement that what he is talking about is from nurturing indicates that he does not believe that the soul itself has permanent characteristics that continue to reappear, something that is also demonstrated by the differences between John and BB.
 
Hi Ken,

The problem is, I don't know exactly what John is trying to say, and we have no commonly agreed upon language to use in expressing these things. I'm trying my best to make sense of things based on his idea that personality is inherited, which means that each body would come with its own in-built personality (rather than acquiring personality from an indwelling spirit).

Cordially,
S&S

PS--BTW, I don't believe that all of our personal traits come from spirit, otherwise, the spirit and the flesh would not be struggling with each other as often or more often than they agree. I do, however, believe that the things that make us more than merely 2-legged animals do come from the spirit (if it and when it succeeds in being "spiritual"). Still, I'd probably have a hard time articulating exactly what I mean by that.
 
Hi S&S I'm taking a day or two to respond to your questions because I'm in the middle of selling my business.. so I'm focused on other things right now. I understand your questions and will get back to posting a reply in the next day or two

All The Best
 
Hi S&S I still have not get to answering your questions .. To say I understand I understand everything that is going on between John Tat BB and our source is wrong ..That's not possible... most of it is way beyond my comprehension.. So I will do my best to answer your questions as best I can with what I do understand and some of things I assume to be true from my communications with BB and our source As I said it will be a day or two before I can get to your questions
To start it off I would like to begin by making the following point..
Lets assume a spiritual self/soul occupied a physical entity for 83 years before the physical entity died
After two physical years the same spirit incarnated back to earth and occupied a physical entity who died of illness when it was six years old
Two years later the same spirit incarnated back to earth and occupied a physical entity who was killed in a car accident when it was eight years old
Two years after that the same spirit incarnated back to earth as is currently occupying a two year old physical entity
Over twenty two year period this spirit has occupied three physical entities.. who have died and currently is occupying a two year old physical entity
I have no doubt this type of situation has happened millions of times
Lets assume all three families of the dead physical entities believe they are in constant contact with there beloved passed relative
How is that possible if what you believe is true that personality comes from the spirit?... in this case a common spirit to them all who has moved on four times and is currently occupying another physical entity in the physical
I'm sure not even you would believe it was possible for all four physical entities to have the same personality
If what you believe is true that our personality comes from our spirit .. then its a load of rubbish that these three families believe they are in contact with there dead relatives
Which by the way I believe to be true

All The Best
 
Hi John,

If this is an actual factual scenario you are aware of, please link me to it so that I can review the facts and give you a response based on the facts. However, it appears to me that you are merely constructing a scenario based on your beliefs which you believe can (to your mind) only be satisfied by your beliefs. From that standpoint, it reminds me of the attempt by the Sadducees to do the same to Jesus in Matt. 22:23-33. I'm certainly not Jesus, but I'm OK with responding either way. However, I'd like to know first whether I am dealing with something that has a possibility of being true, or merely a hypothetical you constructed.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--Does your final "I believe to be true" mean that you believe that their claim of communication is "rubbish" or that they are actually in contact with their dead relatives? o_O
 
Hi S&S I gave a scenario that is obvious must have happened millions of times ..The number of returning incarnations of a spirit over a certain number of years would of course vary... But there would be millions of occasions where people believe they are in contact with a dead relative whose spirit had already moved on and had some other incarnations and that spirit is currently occupying a physical entity.. So what I did was give a scenario that in varying forms would have and will continue to happen over and over again.. I chose two years because the way I figure it that's the length of time between the death of the WWII pilot and John Tat.. Going by many posts on the board many memories come from the 1950's 60's 70's and 80's making it obvious to me many if not most spirits incarnate back quickly.. My scenario will stand up to scrutiny with just one incarnation back and a current incarnation.. Even just a current incarnation.. which would be enormous numbers ... keeping in mind current direct family relatives of the dead relative can live to ages of 80 or more...
Because of what I have outlined and taking into account your beliefs and mine...you believe that personality comes from our spirit and I believe our personality is a physical thing that dies along with everything else physical never to return... both beliefs makes it impossible for people to be in contact with there dead relatives.. That is what I believe to be true

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

OK, I was thinking you were saying the scenario you described was possible. You're actually trying to prove something different. You appear to be saying that all personalities die, thus, the scenario is impossible and all of these people are deceived. Actually, I'm still not sure what the point of any of that is. As someone who has read extensively about spiritualism and the practice of contacting the spirits of the dead, it is well know in that field that the disembodied state has plenty of liars, frauds and deceiving spirits of all types, especially (it seems) in the near earth realms. However, despite this, people still try to, and seem to, believe they can contact their own loved ones. My basic opinion is that some do so, and some are not in contact with their loved ones and are being deceived. So, the scenario is possible, depending on which of the contacts are real and which are fakes.

I can go into more detail, but I'm not sure where you wish to take this.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I understand how and what I talk about is sometimes difficult to understand.. sometimes because what I am talking about is multi layered.. A part of what I was saying is the scenario I was talking about is not only possible but that is how it is.. That's how things work..What I was trying to say was multi layered Not only does personality die with the physical body . but if there are any doubts left that our personality is within our spiritual selves/soul... that's impossible by the scenario I was talking about... As I have said several times the current beliefs about of all of this have been around for generations so much so what was believed way back then has turned into some sort of truth... very false truths How it actually works makes many beliefs including personalty comes from our spiritual selves/soul completely wrong and misinformed

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

I have heard the death-to-rebirth process described in a variety of ways. And, in a certain sense, it is certainly true that "something" typically dies in the process. The reason I say "something" is that (as I noted to Ken) there is no commonly agreed upon language to describe what "dies". So, when I say personality, I may mean something different from what you mean. For me, "personality" may be used in various ways, and its meaning shifts and changes depending on the stage of the process that is being observed.

From many reports via regression and other sources, it appears that the "identity" built up during any lifetime dissipates or is dissipated at some point after death. After this, the reincarnating entity no longer thinks of itself as "John Tat" or "S&S", but realizes that it has had many different lifetimes and identities in the past and is something different from any of these. This change means that a lot of the things it held to be part of "who it is" are realized to be transient and unimportant to who it actually "is" in the long-term sense. Also, as I mentioned to Ken, "personality" during our physical lifetime is a term that includes physical factors that are lost or begin to dissipate at death. So, "personality" during our physical lifetime is a term that includes physical factors as well as factors that were learned and/or adopted during the physical lifetime that are ultimately realized by the reincarnating entity to be unimportant to who it really is as a non-fleshly being (or as I term it--"a spirit").

The loss of these two factors (most PL physical drives and PL identity) will include a lot of different "feelings" that it had about things as well as a lot of "drives" related to the physical, but not (from all reports) all of those feelings and drives--an essential core of "personality", including self-consciousness remains.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I don't know if the foregoing will help, but it is probably good that you know how I am using terms so that you can say how you differ.
 
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Hi S&S You asked who is John Tat..the answer is obvious.. There can only be one spiritual self/soul not two.. John Tat is BB

All The Best
 
Hi John,

Won't Or D Ha be the "personality" through which BB manifests if you are successful? If BB is Or D Ha, and you say there can only be one spiritual self/soul not two, how can John Tat continue to exist?

It seems like when BB takes on BB as his personality he will necessarily be taking off John Tat as his personality. What you are saying seems to imply that BB will be manifesting through both Or D Ha and John Tat simultaneously. I'm OK with that. I'm just trying to confirm that this is what you mean. If that is what you mean, it seems that BB will be manifesting through the Or D Ha personality on earth while also simultaneously manifesting through John Tat personality in some other locale (which you refer to as "Home").

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I have been busy selling my business.. which is no finalized.. than goodness.. I'm now retired.. it feels good .. a bit hard accepting I will never work again.. although I must admit I don't want to
I'v been working since I as 16 a long time of being in that routine something I would not understand in a proper way if I had not retired,, But now every day is a Saturday how good is that
To get my mind of the annoyance factor of negotiating the selling my business I have prepared a lengthy post.. which covers many of your questions I was coming here to post it but warning bells began ringing in my brain as soon as I logged on .. I will have to mediate on it and try and find out why that happened.. Has anything changed with you? .. I'm only asking in search of why BB would be doing this.. not that I think anything is wrong about you This is just an off the top of the head question with little thought attached to it because this just happened

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I'm glad you're doing well and that you're moving happily towards retirement after many long years of work! ;) I can't help but be a bit wistful about the whole retirement thing myself. I would definitely like to join you in being retired, but only if things work out to make it economically possible for me. Retirement is no picnic in poverty. No need to be rich, which is not my current status and probably never will be, but I would like to not be impoverished either. I'm hoping some things work out that will allow us to continue our current modest lifestyle, but that is about as far as I'm willing to hope.

Anyhow, getting back to your question, I can't think of a single thing that has changed about me. It is interesting to think that I might set warning bells ringing for BB, but I don't see how I could have done that. I have to think that there is another reason. The only interesting thing I can think of recently that relates in the least to the things we discuss was a brief dream where I saw a female figure that reminded me of some of the ancient goddess idols and images I have seen. It was something like the one below, but a bit different. The image below is a very ancient goddess image of Astarte, who may also be the same as Ishtar, or the Egyptian goddess Sekhmet or even Isis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte#In_Egypt

However, it was a very brief dream image, and I associate it more with Jungian archetypal dream images than with gods and goddesses. BTW--The figure was lifelike with light behind it so that the body and face were in shadow and indistinct, head/eyes downcast and hands downward with palms outward. (I haven't been able to find an exact duplicate, but I'm still looking. I'm also still trying to figure out what it means o_O).

Cordially,
S&S

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Hi S&S Your last post was very interesting.. As you know I have tried to find a connection between your dream and what is going on with me... as you know I was not aware of any.. But its interesting how things work.. how things can fall into place when you least expect them to which can only happen when what is going on is real.. I have talked about these types of happenings before as some things that have been passed onto some never known about before have turned out to be accurate further down the track.. This is always proof to me that what is going on with me is very real.. Again we may have hit pay dirt.. In the post I have prepared that rang alarm bells with me when I logged on that I should not post it.. contained for the for the first time many more details about our mother.. our mother as you know for a long time I have always refereed to her as "our mother in the red dress" because that is how I have always see her... I also talked her roll in all of this.. I'm now thinking it may not have be BB that rang the alarm bells but our mother.. and maybe it was she who you saw in your dream.. Why our mother would come to you I'm not sure unless you will be of use to her at some time in the future..As I have talked about before our mother is extremely powerful.. she always has been..she was betrayed by other members of our family and I BB her true loyal son will have my day of reckoning with them

All The Best
 
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Hi S&S As I said in our PM's I will post what I can.. I will do it over several post the following is the first
I completely understand who John Tat is..it has taken years to put some of things together over countless meditations ... these posts contain what I feel comfortable talking about
As you know for want of a better description BB my spiritual self went into a self inflicted hibernation for millenniums of physical time.. I have no clue for how many incarnations but it was plenty
While BB was incarnating back and forth in this state of hibernation .. John Tat was there.. While in this state of hibernation BB had no problems with our enemies as he incarnated back and forth
Without John Tat none of this could have happened.. John Tat was a part of BB that was awake while the rest of BB was in hibernation.. John Tat is BB a part of BB that remained awake
There can only be one spirits not two .. there can only be BB.. what I cannot explain to you in a proper manner is.. John Tat is a part of BB who remained awake and will go home after the death of the current John Tat..as I have said something BB can never do.. he is not wanted there... why? I don't know...this was all planned to happen millenniums ago before BB went into hibernation for the following reasons..
The gods wanted BB to survive while he was in hibernation.. because he was important to there plans to return to the physical at another time.. there were other reason I'm not sure about ..what I do know.. it was not possible for BB to survive remaining permanently in the incarnation process a part o him had to remain awake so he could incarnate back and forth
I'm sure John Tat is the compassionate side of BB .which remained awake to fool our enemies,.. which he successfully achieved and will also do one more time
It maybe of some concern when the compassionate side of BB is no longer there It's possible that was part of the plan.. that's what the gods wanted
There cannot be both John Tat and Or D Ha that's another reason John Tat will go home BB communicates about "home" a lot I don't know where that is.. I think he still wants to go home at some point
This ability BB has of having one part of him.. Or D Ha remain in the incarnation process waiting for him when needed is I'm sure an ability taught to him by the gods.. I have no other explanation how he could do it.. This reunification of Or D Ha and BB can only happen after John Tat is no longer there.. It's essential John Tat gets BB to the first gate intact. while John Tat is going through the dying process and BB is still within John Tat protecting him from what is going on.. As I have said Or D Ha ..will be waiting for BB on the other side of the gate... I want to do this because I am BB.. he is me .. This is how it was always meant to be .. I must protect myself.. BB.. with everything I am.. I cannot escape who I am I must do what is best for me
Is BB a rogue spirit?.. I do think about these types of things..To be honest how could I ever know for sure .All I know is I'm BB and this is how the gods planned it to happen way back in Ancient Egypt.. I come form Ancient Egypt .. I'm a warrior of the gods .. and next time I will impose e the will of my gods in the physical... much to the dismay of many powerful spirits including many from Ancient Egypt .. they became weak then lost there way with the gods many of them joined our enemies that allowed our enemies to take control..After Or D Ha and BB become one all of this will come to an end .. there time will be finished.. After my return Or D Ha/BB can never be destroyed.. this is an important part of this .. I will come back over and over and over again just as I did before .. this is a factor of how control is maintained.. I will do another post later

All The Best
 
Hi John,

Thanks. There are always many things that can be made more clear, but this tells me a lot. I will think about my questions. However, one thing does spring to mind. You mentioned that BB communicates about "home" quite a bit and also could not go back. You don't seem to know why he can't go back, so I won't ask more about that. However, I am interested in all you know about "home".

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I wish I could tell you.. I wish I knew.. I can tell you is how I feel when he is communicating about home.. I feel he misses being at home .. I have talked about our mother many times also about BB having a sister... they are both very much a part of home to BB.. This is where its strange and I do not understand ... He is in close contact with his mother.. a different relationship to his sister.. so where are they?.. The only thing that makes sense to me.. although I may be wrong ... our mother is not at home either... but my sister is.. While meditating I have had visions of myself BB talking to large groups of men.. more like laying down the law to them..I have even gone into the crowd and killed those who did not agree with.. What I don't understand is ....there were plenty of men there who could have overwhelmed me.. but they didn't.. they just watched.. This was when I/BB was at home. To me home looked like the physical.. I know that makes little sense.. That's all I know... I wish I knew more

All The Best
 
Hi S&S Just checked in to see what is going on... Since I retired I have been catching up with things that needed to be done.. What I'm finding is... as the stress of working life/running my own business subsides my meditations are becoming clearer and I'm being guided by BB to different things about next time and where he came from and other things which I'm beginning to understand had to happen

All The Best
 
Hi John,

Its good to hear from you! Also, I'm glad that things are going so well post retirement. I can definitely see how that would lead to a quieter less stressed state of mind and deeper clearer meditation results. I'll look forward to an update when/if you feel like you have anything you're allowed to convey.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--LUUUCKY!!! ;) I'm still hoping and trying to plan, but can't see it for myself for at least another 5 years. We had two "late-life" children, both of whom are in college, plus bills, bills, bills. So . . . . no rest for the weary anytime soon. :confused:
 
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