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Stewardess and S&S I have no understandings of what stage of evolution these memories come from
BB's tribe did migrate to Africa then later to Upper Egypt.. it feels to me for many scattered memories these events were not considered anything special... there is no doubt we were driven from Europe by an event/events and we were evolved enough to understand it was in our best interests to leave..
From BB's memories it does not feel to him it took very long.. although these memories are the perceptions of time and distance at the time
Time to us was only one day.. from sunrise to sunset … we had no concept of next week or next month or last week or last month (as an example of days) which also explains how migrations happened .. they were just one day after the other with no concept of how long and far we had been travelling and most certainly how far and long away our destination was
Life was the same as it had always been .. nothing changed.. we walked we hunted and we slept ..just one day after the other... so never think these migrations were of great sacrifice and super effort... because they weren't.. far from it.. just one day after the other with no concept of time and distance travelled
As I go into other posts I talk about how the modern minds of today cannot possibly understand how our minds worked during these early times.. just one thing.. we did not have the powers of advanced organized thoughts.. It all revolved around our instincts of survival .. it was those instincts that drove us.. not advanced human logic and thoughts
I looked at the distance between Germany and Egypt as an example to get some idea of the distance we migrated … depending on the land mas's at the time... but today it is around 3000 miles
A year 365 days.. 8 miles a day... 18 months 547 days..5.5 miles a day..2 years 730 days..4 miles a day.. That would not have been a big deal to us as we traveled on day after the other with no concept of time and distance.. I have no memories of having to cross large area's of water .. In BB's memories, there are no memories of having those abilities. If I had to make a guess based on BB's memories about the time it took us I would guess around 4 to 5 years allowing for forced and unforced reasons to stop including to regroup and to overcome difficult terrain
We migrated with our "family" of tribes .. there were at least 10 tribes in our "family" of tribes.. the tribes we had interacted and evolved with over a long period of time.. These tribes had come from all over the place..... this was a natural evolution of what BB calls the "special" tribes because amongst other things it increased of rate of evolution... I talk about that in later posts
I find it interesting that we knew where we were going.. I have no ideas how that happened.. maybe like homing pigeons we were instinctively going back to where our ancestors came from.. that is nothing more than a guess
We did not have the ability to work out complicated things that maybe is why I have no clue . it was most likely all based around instincts
A Question I John Tat asked myself over and over again was how did we know which direction to take and how did we navigate our way to Africa? That became a huge question in my mind.. so I meditated on it over and over again and always came up with the same answer.. which I did not believe so tried over and over again but always came up with the same answer because the answer is beyond me to understand how we had these abilities.. we used the sun and stars to guide us how could we have possibly had those abilities in these early times? That is beyond my comprehension
I have no expectations that anyone with their modern day evolved brains and logic can possibly understand what we were
I have jumped ahead of myself with this post .. next will be about how the tribes in Europe evolved to the point to have the abilities to migrate
BB's tribe did migrate to Africa then later to Upper Egypt.. it feels to me for many scattered memories these events were not considered anything special... there is no doubt we were driven from Europe by an event/events and we were evolved enough to understand it was in our best interests to leave..
From BB's memories it does not feel to him it took very long.. although these memories are the perceptions of time and distance at the time
Time to us was only one day.. from sunrise to sunset … we had no concept of next week or next month or last week or last month (as an example of days) which also explains how migrations happened .. they were just one day after the other with no concept of how long and far we had been travelling and most certainly how far and long away our destination was
Life was the same as it had always been .. nothing changed.. we walked we hunted and we slept ..just one day after the other... so never think these migrations were of great sacrifice and super effort... because they weren't.. far from it.. just one day after the other with no concept of time and distance travelled
As I go into other posts I talk about how the modern minds of today cannot possibly understand how our minds worked during these early times.. just one thing.. we did not have the powers of advanced organized thoughts.. It all revolved around our instincts of survival .. it was those instincts that drove us.. not advanced human logic and thoughts
I looked at the distance between Germany and Egypt as an example to get some idea of the distance we migrated … depending on the land mas's at the time... but today it is around 3000 miles
A year 365 days.. 8 miles a day... 18 months 547 days..5.5 miles a day..2 years 730 days..4 miles a day.. That would not have been a big deal to us as we traveled on day after the other with no concept of time and distance.. I have no memories of having to cross large area's of water .. In BB's memories, there are no memories of having those abilities. If I had to make a guess based on BB's memories about the time it took us I would guess around 4 to 5 years allowing for forced and unforced reasons to stop including to regroup and to overcome difficult terrain
We migrated with our "family" of tribes .. there were at least 10 tribes in our "family" of tribes.. the tribes we had interacted and evolved with over a long period of time.. These tribes had come from all over the place..... this was a natural evolution of what BB calls the "special" tribes because amongst other things it increased of rate of evolution... I talk about that in later posts
I find it interesting that we knew where we were going.. I have no ideas how that happened.. maybe like homing pigeons we were instinctively going back to where our ancestors came from.. that is nothing more than a guess
We did not have the ability to work out complicated things that maybe is why I have no clue . it was most likely all based around instincts
A Question I John Tat asked myself over and over again was how did we know which direction to take and how did we navigate our way to Africa? That became a huge question in my mind.. so I meditated on it over and over again and always came up with the same answer.. which I did not believe so tried over and over again but always came up with the same answer because the answer is beyond me to understand how we had these abilities.. we used the sun and stars to guide us how could we have possibly had those abilities in these early times? That is beyond my comprehension
I have no expectations that anyone with their modern day evolved brains and logic can possibly understand what we were
I have jumped ahead of myself with this post .. next will be about how the tribes in Europe evolved to the point to have the abilities to migrate
SeaAndSky
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Hi John,
Something occurred to me after my last post on this topic. This trek was probably taking place during the last Ice Age. At this time an enormous amount of water was frozen in the polar caps and Northern glaciers, lowering sea level by around 400 feet. Consequently, the Mediterranean was smaller and the shores of Europe and North Africa were much closer. I have been looking at various maps attempting to show the coast lines during this period. They vary quite a bit, so I assume there is quite a bit of guessing on the exact outlines of various geographical features, but on most, they show the "boot" of Italy expanded and merged with an expanded island of Sicily, which in turn comes very close to (or maybe even merges with) the coast of North Africa in the vicinity of Tunisia, so there may actually have been a land bridge (or something close to one) between Europe and N. Africa during this period. However, as you point out with the math you did above, even without a land bridge this migration was possible, and depending on how much they pushed, may have only taken a year or two (and maybe less), which I find quite remarkable!
Cordially,
S&S
Something occurred to me after my last post on this topic. This trek was probably taking place during the last Ice Age. At this time an enormous amount of water was frozen in the polar caps and Northern glaciers, lowering sea level by around 400 feet. Consequently, the Mediterranean was smaller and the shores of Europe and North Africa were much closer. I have been looking at various maps attempting to show the coast lines during this period. They vary quite a bit, so I assume there is quite a bit of guessing on the exact outlines of various geographical features, but on most, they show the "boot" of Italy expanded and merged with an expanded island of Sicily, which in turn comes very close to (or maybe even merges with) the coast of North Africa in the vicinity of Tunisia, so there may actually have been a land bridge (or something close to one) between Europe and N. Africa during this period. However, as you point out with the math you did above, even without a land bridge this migration was possible, and depending on how much they pushed, may have only taken a year or two (and maybe less), which I find quite remarkable!
Cordially,
S&S
SeaAndSky
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Hi Ken,
Yeah, I looked into the flooding of the Mediterranean basin as well, but that seemed too far back at 5+ million years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanclean_flood
Also: https://www.scientificamerican.com/...h-waterfall-refilled-the-mediterranean-video/
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/ancient-flood-left-its-mark-in-the-mediterranean-sea
John's tribes could have walked across the Mediterranean basin on dry land before this flood, but according to standard evolutionary chronologies, they would have been little better than chimps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution#Homo
However, who knows. John keeps talking about how far back all of this was. So . . . .
Cordially,
S&S
Yeah, I looked into the flooding of the Mediterranean basin as well, but that seemed too far back at 5+ million years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanclean_flood
Also: https://www.scientificamerican.com/...h-waterfall-refilled-the-mediterranean-video/
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/ancient-flood-left-its-mark-in-the-mediterranean-sea
John's tribes could have walked across the Mediterranean basin on dry land before this flood, but according to standard evolutionary chronologies, they would have been little better than chimps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution#Homo
However, who knows. John keeps talking about how far back all of this was. So . . . .
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
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The problem all of the experts of these times and everyone's perception of these early times are severely limited by there modern brains and even more importantly there evolved a sophisticated genetics that does not allow them to have any real understandings of how things were. Genetics played a vital roll in the physical entities BB occupied in these times and also as his incarnations continued It is my opinion from BB's incarnations genetics plays a vital role in how we perceive things which is only one reason even the experts have no clue about how things were.
You can only go as fast as the car you sit in the car you occupy and drive will allow you to go.
Also, nobody has any clue about the patterns of evolution that resulted in some families of tribes evolving at a much greater rate because of there ongoing interactions with each other that sped-up growth of there genetics because of that. Nobody has any clue about these things and how it happened at a different rate all over the regions that it was the evolution of genetics and how the speed of that evolution varied within all of the regions but greatly increased within the families of tribes who came from all over the place with different knowledge and physical abilities.
As I have said many times it's very difficult for me talking about things nobody knows about and/or has heard about before; I will pick and choose what I talk about in future posts.
You can only go as fast as the car you sit in the car you occupy and drive will allow you to go.
Also, nobody has any clue about the patterns of evolution that resulted in some families of tribes evolving at a much greater rate because of there ongoing interactions with each other that sped-up growth of there genetics because of that. Nobody has any clue about these things and how it happened at a different rate all over the regions that it was the evolution of genetics and how the speed of that evolution varied within all of the regions but greatly increased within the families of tribes who came from all over the place with different knowledge and physical abilities.
As I have said many times it's very difficult for me talking about things nobody knows about and/or has heard about before; I will pick and choose what I talk about in future posts.
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John Tat
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The following is a continuation of post#835 and has taken me a long time to put together
From BB's my pure spiritual self incarnations and memories the following are some of my conclusions on some of BB's early memories .. I'm not asking or expecting anyone to believe these memories and/or my conclusions … this post is different to any others I have posted before...almost all of this post are mine (John Tat's) conclusions based on some memories and many scattered memories and putting this jig saw of memories together as best as I can.. These are very distant memories and some lack the clarity other memories have.. so to make as sense of all of these factors I draw conclusions from them that have the basis of facts from the memories.. In later posts I will revert back to posting BB's/ my memories just as they are
As I have said before its not easy for me to talk about things that have not been out there and/or talked about before.. amongst other things it leaves me venerable to many things.. it would be a lot easier for me to say nothing.. although on the other hand I should not feel intimidated by my memories.. what I know because of my memories .. but I do.. that is why I very much limit what I talk about
There is plenty of evidence in BB's memories that leads me to believe that at some point the tribes in Europe were more advanced than the tribes in Africa.. BB's memories are of tribal life in both Europe and Africa .. When our family of tribes arrived in Africa we were superior to the tribes there... which makes me wonder if it was these families of tribes from Europe that was the seed that lead to the creation of Ancient Egypt...If they were then the experts would need to start all over again about these early times in Africa.. Genetics is not a good indicator of regions of evolution .. I have no real evidence to back that up other than my conclusions drawn from BB's memories
The regions were very different which obviously impacted to rate of all of the evolutions in all of the regions and the area's within the regions and how evolution accrued within the conditions that was provided by those area's and regions .. I have no idea how the experts measure that for all of the peoples within the area's and regions.. which is very likely impossible for them to do so they most likely guess based on the skimpy evidence they have .. and probably assume that the evolution rate was the same across entire regions.. if they do then that approach could not be more wrong.. Time and time again discoveries are made that blows these theories out of the water
We may have left Africa (although I'm not really sure about that anymore)… if I'm right then the theories about it all starting in Africa may well be wrong.. went to Europe then returned/ or went to Africa for the first time with a more evolved brain than if we had stayed in our original home place wherever that was...one of the problems I see is... the experts may have some skimpy form of genetic evidence for regions... but I don't think its possible to have evidence of brain function and there evolved states to compare there differences to the different regions and the areas within the regions... when the tribes from Europe went to Africa they/we were far smarter than the African tribes All of this I believe is important to understand...because it happened BB was there. As I think about it the more convinced I become that in these early times it was more about brain function... the evolution of the brain not physical evolution The brain's that evolved quickest...dominated ..The differences between the tribes in Europe and Africa was a result of what was provided to us/ them by the regions and area's within the regions provided them where they lived and evolved in that was not provided to the African tribes
The following are some of my conclusions from Europe based on BB's memories... That some tribes came together from all over the place and formed groups of tribes more like families of tribes and my/BB's tribe was a member of one of these families of tribes of around 10 tribes around a 1000 of us .. who interacted with each other over a long period of time .. my conclusions are...how in the evolution of things this was a natural occurrence.. that the tribes/peoples came from all over the place and interacted with each other within the family of tribes over a period of time who had not only different skills but were also different physically .. There was a lot of inter breeding between the families of tribes .. back and forth between the 1000 or so of us.. this was possible because we were not scattered all over the place even though we had come from all over the place.. I don't know or understand how or why these interactions between us made such a big difference.. but it did... John Tat isn't smart enough to understand all of the memories that helped the evolution of these "special tribes" as BB calls them This is a problem I have with many of my memories.. I'm not smart and/or educated enough to understand them
I have another 3 pages of notes but my concentration is going I will continue tomorrow
From BB's my pure spiritual self incarnations and memories the following are some of my conclusions on some of BB's early memories .. I'm not asking or expecting anyone to believe these memories and/or my conclusions … this post is different to any others I have posted before...almost all of this post are mine (John Tat's) conclusions based on some memories and many scattered memories and putting this jig saw of memories together as best as I can.. These are very distant memories and some lack the clarity other memories have.. so to make as sense of all of these factors I draw conclusions from them that have the basis of facts from the memories.. In later posts I will revert back to posting BB's/ my memories just as they are
As I have said before its not easy for me to talk about things that have not been out there and/or talked about before.. amongst other things it leaves me venerable to many things.. it would be a lot easier for me to say nothing.. although on the other hand I should not feel intimidated by my memories.. what I know because of my memories .. but I do.. that is why I very much limit what I talk about
There is plenty of evidence in BB's memories that leads me to believe that at some point the tribes in Europe were more advanced than the tribes in Africa.. BB's memories are of tribal life in both Europe and Africa .. When our family of tribes arrived in Africa we were superior to the tribes there... which makes me wonder if it was these families of tribes from Europe that was the seed that lead to the creation of Ancient Egypt...If they were then the experts would need to start all over again about these early times in Africa.. Genetics is not a good indicator of regions of evolution .. I have no real evidence to back that up other than my conclusions drawn from BB's memories
The regions were very different which obviously impacted to rate of all of the evolutions in all of the regions and the area's within the regions and how evolution accrued within the conditions that was provided by those area's and regions .. I have no idea how the experts measure that for all of the peoples within the area's and regions.. which is very likely impossible for them to do so they most likely guess based on the skimpy evidence they have .. and probably assume that the evolution rate was the same across entire regions.. if they do then that approach could not be more wrong.. Time and time again discoveries are made that blows these theories out of the water
We may have left Africa (although I'm not really sure about that anymore)… if I'm right then the theories about it all starting in Africa may well be wrong.. went to Europe then returned/ or went to Africa for the first time with a more evolved brain than if we had stayed in our original home place wherever that was...one of the problems I see is... the experts may have some skimpy form of genetic evidence for regions... but I don't think its possible to have evidence of brain function and there evolved states to compare there differences to the different regions and the areas within the regions... when the tribes from Europe went to Africa they/we were far smarter than the African tribes All of this I believe is important to understand...because it happened BB was there. As I think about it the more convinced I become that in these early times it was more about brain function... the evolution of the brain not physical evolution The brain's that evolved quickest...dominated ..The differences between the tribes in Europe and Africa was a result of what was provided to us/ them by the regions and area's within the regions provided them where they lived and evolved in that was not provided to the African tribes
The following are some of my conclusions from Europe based on BB's memories... That some tribes came together from all over the place and formed groups of tribes more like families of tribes and my/BB's tribe was a member of one of these families of tribes of around 10 tribes around a 1000 of us .. who interacted with each other over a long period of time .. my conclusions are...how in the evolution of things this was a natural occurrence.. that the tribes/peoples came from all over the place and interacted with each other within the family of tribes over a period of time who had not only different skills but were also different physically .. There was a lot of inter breeding between the families of tribes .. back and forth between the 1000 or so of us.. this was possible because we were not scattered all over the place even though we had come from all over the place.. I don't know or understand how or why these interactions between us made such a big difference.. but it did... John Tat isn't smart enough to understand all of the memories that helped the evolution of these "special tribes" as BB calls them This is a problem I have with many of my memories.. I'm not smart and/or educated enough to understand them
I have another 3 pages of notes but my concentration is going I will continue tomorrow
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John Tat
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BB was not the only spiritual self that returned to these families of tribes over and over again.. This has something to do with the natural evolution of things .. these understandings/conclusions are based on BB's many incarnations and what was taught to us in Ancient Egypt.. a pure natural occurrence for a pure natural spiritual identity .. it is a natural ability BB and "the others" have never lost... nature can be both gentle and brutal and can plant the seeds for new/regrowth when on the other hand can impose brutal death and destruction before planting the seeds for new/regrowth Nature has many ways it imposes death and destruction … some are about our continuing evolution
All of these things combined was important to the evolution of what BB calls "the special tribes" that evolved during these times
These "special tribes" were very important .. they had skills and abilities the majority of tribes did not have … later they were a source of knowledge, skills and community the other tribes turned to and over time the other tribes interacted with .. Maybe just maybe it was these families of "special tribes" who came from Europe that as the seed that began Ancient Egypt
I don't think the experts have proper understandings of how important where peoples came from and what was provided to them/us in areas within the regions played such an important role in the evolution of brain function … Tribal traditions and what the areas within the regions provided us .. how we prepared it .. what quantities and combinations of food that was consumed and the quality of what was provided us.. all varied considerably within the areas of all of the regions and played a vital rolls in the evolution of brain function which makes it impossible for the experts to make accurate predications because e it a so very different across all of the areas and all of the regions These are my conclusions that include.. that the evolution of brain function was the most important part of our evolution not physical evolution..
I have an interesting memory about a drink my family of tribes consumed .. I thought this maybe important so meditated on it several times because I thought it was an early alcohol drink which would have been interesting to me ..but my research did not indicate that.. From the memories I was able to see that the drink brought us clarity and clear thinking .. so it must have been a drug or a combination of natural drugs we drank not alcohol that would have had the opposite effect on us .. it feels like this drink had religious connection .. it must have been a gift from the gods... that is only a guess based on how it feels to me .. the feelings are very real ..
As I have said I have no clue when all of this happened .. By my visual memories I know what we looked like sometime after we arrived in Africa...we looked like modern man although not accurate when compared to day ..had dark skin not black but very brown with very short black hair and green eyes (our eye color makes no sense to me but it is what it is} all of which I'm sure was a result of the mixing of our families of tribes... we looked very well presented with beads of white stone or bones around our foreheads.. some of us also had wrist bands of small coloured stones and what appeared to be black charcoal around our eyes... very likely to protect our eyes from the sun which may have been different to what we experienced in Europe
What did stand out to me was we looked like people you would not want to mess with .. just something about us and interesting comparison to the drawings of friendly looking faces … that's why how we looked stood out to me .. very different to the drawings I had seen.. The drawing give shape of the faces that's all they do.. The shape of our faces was very similar to modern man but the looks and expressions of our faces was nothing like modern man.. we were very different to modern man because of that.. The knowledge gained from these memories allows me to conclude … that the evolution of the brain can be seen in facial looks and expressions... a comparison to today although to completely accurate would the facial looks and expressions of someone who is intoxicated you can see it in there faces eyes and expressions .. Even when they are happy and laughing they do not look the same when they are happy without being intoxicated As I said our faces were very different to modern man which based on my memories is all about brain function.. making the drawings always wrong.. they are drawn with modern day looks and expressions .. you can only understand these things if you were there.. BB was there Drawings of friendly looking monkeys and hobos … could not be more wrong ..
I have concluded that our appearance was very important to us .. it reflected who we were and importantly where we had come from.. Our appearance may have reflected our superiority over the other tribes
The pockets of evolution of these "the special tribes" as BB calls them played a vital role in the overall of things
I'm now very sure that "the others" I have talked about before are those spiritual selves who also have the ability to return over and over again to the physical
That's enough for this post.. My nest post will be about the early times in Ancient Egypt when I will return to talking about my/BB's memories as they are
As I said most of the above are mine (John Tat's) conclusions based on BB's memories.. which are open to question ..As I said I'm not asking or expecting anyone to believe these things I have talked about
All of these things combined was important to the evolution of what BB calls "the special tribes" that evolved during these times
These "special tribes" were very important .. they had skills and abilities the majority of tribes did not have … later they were a source of knowledge, skills and community the other tribes turned to and over time the other tribes interacted with .. Maybe just maybe it was these families of "special tribes" who came from Europe that as the seed that began Ancient Egypt
I don't think the experts have proper understandings of how important where peoples came from and what was provided to them/us in areas within the regions played such an important role in the evolution of brain function … Tribal traditions and what the areas within the regions provided us .. how we prepared it .. what quantities and combinations of food that was consumed and the quality of what was provided us.. all varied considerably within the areas of all of the regions and played a vital rolls in the evolution of brain function which makes it impossible for the experts to make accurate predications because e it a so very different across all of the areas and all of the regions These are my conclusions that include.. that the evolution of brain function was the most important part of our evolution not physical evolution..
I have an interesting memory about a drink my family of tribes consumed .. I thought this maybe important so meditated on it several times because I thought it was an early alcohol drink which would have been interesting to me ..but my research did not indicate that.. From the memories I was able to see that the drink brought us clarity and clear thinking .. so it must have been a drug or a combination of natural drugs we drank not alcohol that would have had the opposite effect on us .. it feels like this drink had religious connection .. it must have been a gift from the gods... that is only a guess based on how it feels to me .. the feelings are very real ..
As I have said I have no clue when all of this happened .. By my visual memories I know what we looked like sometime after we arrived in Africa...we looked like modern man although not accurate when compared to day ..had dark skin not black but very brown with very short black hair and green eyes (our eye color makes no sense to me but it is what it is} all of which I'm sure was a result of the mixing of our families of tribes... we looked very well presented with beads of white stone or bones around our foreheads.. some of us also had wrist bands of small coloured stones and what appeared to be black charcoal around our eyes... very likely to protect our eyes from the sun which may have been different to what we experienced in Europe
What did stand out to me was we looked like people you would not want to mess with .. just something about us and interesting comparison to the drawings of friendly looking faces … that's why how we looked stood out to me .. very different to the drawings I had seen.. The drawing give shape of the faces that's all they do.. The shape of our faces was very similar to modern man but the looks and expressions of our faces was nothing like modern man.. we were very different to modern man because of that.. The knowledge gained from these memories allows me to conclude … that the evolution of the brain can be seen in facial looks and expressions... a comparison to today although to completely accurate would the facial looks and expressions of someone who is intoxicated you can see it in there faces eyes and expressions .. Even when they are happy and laughing they do not look the same when they are happy without being intoxicated As I said our faces were very different to modern man which based on my memories is all about brain function.. making the drawings always wrong.. they are drawn with modern day looks and expressions .. you can only understand these things if you were there.. BB was there Drawings of friendly looking monkeys and hobos … could not be more wrong ..
I have concluded that our appearance was very important to us .. it reflected who we were and importantly where we had come from.. Our appearance may have reflected our superiority over the other tribes
The pockets of evolution of these "the special tribes" as BB calls them played a vital role in the overall of things
I'm now very sure that "the others" I have talked about before are those spiritual selves who also have the ability to return over and over again to the physical
That's enough for this post.. My nest post will be about the early times in Ancient Egypt when I will return to talking about my/BB's memories as they are
As I said most of the above are mine (John Tat's) conclusions based on BB's memories.. which are open to question ..As I said I'm not asking or expecting anyone to believe these things I have talked about
SeaAndSky
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Hi John,
A lot of things you have said connect with bits and pieces of things I have heard or read. At this point, however, I will just comment on the use of Entheogens (psychoactive plants and mushrooms) and their possible role in the founding of civilizations. Here are some general articles on Entheogens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic_drugs_and_the_archaeological_record#Paleolithic
The second article has some brief references to the use of such substances/plants during the Stone Age. This is, however, just the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot of research on this out there. Some of it from "respectable" archeologists, etc. and some from folks like Graham Hancock. He's one of those people that is not considered "respectable" by the scientific establishment, but he is @#$% intelligent and I have found what he has to say on a variety of topics having to do with ancient civilizations to be very interesting. Here are a couple of YOUTUBEs that I believe I listened to once upon a time on these topics:
So, my response in terms of possible Entheogen use by the special tribes is that you are definitely not out in crazyland somewhere when you say this. The use of this type of thing seems to be well documented in ancient sources.
Cordially,
S&S
A lot of things you have said connect with bits and pieces of things I have heard or read. At this point, however, I will just comment on the use of Entheogens (psychoactive plants and mushrooms) and their possible role in the founding of civilizations. Here are some general articles on Entheogens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic_drugs_and_the_archaeological_record#Paleolithic
The second article has some brief references to the use of such substances/plants during the Stone Age. This is, however, just the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot of research on this out there. Some of it from "respectable" archeologists, etc. and some from folks like Graham Hancock. He's one of those people that is not considered "respectable" by the scientific establishment, but he is @#$% intelligent and I have found what he has to say on a variety of topics having to do with ancient civilizations to be very interesting. Here are a couple of YOUTUBEs that I believe I listened to once upon a time on these topics:
So, my response in terms of possible Entheogen use by the special tribes is that you are definitely not out in crazyland somewhere when you say this. The use of this type of thing seems to be well documented in ancient sources.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
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Hi S&S I was not aware that these drugs were used by early man .. I was wondering …. are these types of things capable of expanding permanent brain function or do they only create illusions
Hi Tanker I'm a terrible artist I have tried to draw before a face is well beyond my capabilities … when I'm watching some TV reality shows like "Cops" .. I sometimes see flash's of the looks on the faces of those being arrested that are very similar to how we looked
These memories happened for me over three years ago which from time to time I meditate on.. there are many other things going on right now … It's interesting about what we wore.. It needs to be remembered BB my spiritual self returned to the same tribe over and over again.. I have seen us wearing almost nothing.. just a small skirt .. many of these memories have rain associated with them... why I have no clues … they are what they are... and I have also seen us wearing fur garments.. In one memory I was wearing grey fur and was very proud of it Being grey fur is strange to me because I know it was not anything like deer fur or anything within that family.. It was to thick and slightly wooly I don't know what animals did or have grey fur but it feels it gave me some sort of authority within the tribes.. I did go looking for similar ornamentation but did not find anything similar enough to relate to them The small coloured stones on the wrist bands could have been painted bones when I think about it.. I will try to remember to look next time I mediate and are shown the memories again... which are random It's difficult to make specific memories happen It funny that many times I say to myself next time look at that .. but most times I forget.. I'm living the memory as it was/is
All The Best
Hi Tanker I'm a terrible artist I have tried to draw before a face is well beyond my capabilities … when I'm watching some TV reality shows like "Cops" .. I sometimes see flash's of the looks on the faces of those being arrested that are very similar to how we looked
These memories happened for me over three years ago which from time to time I meditate on.. there are many other things going on right now … It's interesting about what we wore.. It needs to be remembered BB my spiritual self returned to the same tribe over and over again.. I have seen us wearing almost nothing.. just a small skirt .. many of these memories have rain associated with them... why I have no clues … they are what they are... and I have also seen us wearing fur garments.. In one memory I was wearing grey fur and was very proud of it Being grey fur is strange to me because I know it was not anything like deer fur or anything within that family.. It was to thick and slightly wooly I don't know what animals did or have grey fur but it feels it gave me some sort of authority within the tribes.. I did go looking for similar ornamentation but did not find anything similar enough to relate to them The small coloured stones on the wrist bands could have been painted bones when I think about it.. I will try to remember to look next time I mediate and are shown the memories again... which are random It's difficult to make specific memories happen It funny that many times I say to myself next time look at that .. but most times I forget.. I'm living the memory as it was/is
All The Best
Native Son
Senior Member
I was thinking about woolly mammoth fur, but science seems to list them as typically having a thick coat of brown hair. Perhaps your memory may be off on the color, and it may have been brown wooly mammoth fur. However, perhaps there was an exceptional and rare mammoth which had grey fur? And that may be the reason why you felt having authority, because you had a rare fur, something that only a chief would have.
Woolly Mammoth Colour Variations
Research into Woolly Mammoth Genome Provides Understanding of Hair Colour
For many years, scientists believed that Woolly Mammoths were brown in colour but recent studies using frozen Woolly Mammoth remains discovered in Siberia has provided a better understanding of the colour variations of these Ice Age creatures. Thanks to the discovery of some beautifully preserved specimens many of them babies or juveniles (Dima, Lyuba and Yuka for example), palaeontologists have a much better idea of the genome of these prehistoric mammals.
It is from this better understanding of the DNA of Woolly Mammoths (M. primigenius), that scientists have begun to piece together evidence to suggest that Mammoths could have almost the same hair colouration variances as modern humans, with ginger, brunettes and even a potential blonde Mammoth.
The coat of Woolly Mammoths was adapted to the harsh climate of the northern Steppe. It consisted of two distinct layers. The first layer was composed of long, coarse guard hairs, six times thicker than human hair. This coat grew to almost a metre long in adult animals. This coat served to trap air helping to keep the animal warm and also effectively to waterproof and snowproof the animal in a similar way to the long, shaggy coat of an extant Musk Ox.
The second, inner layer which made up the undercoat had hairs that were much thinner, shorter and softer. This coat would have trapped air too, helping to insulate the animal from the cold. Columbian Mammoths (Mammuthus columbi), which lived in North America; were less hairy than their Siberian cousins. It is possible that Mammoths moulted in the spring, producing a lighter summer coat.
The colour of the hairy coat of a Woolly Mammoth, according the genome research could vary. There were indeed brown Woolly Mammoths, but also those which were a reddish/orange in colour. Some Mammoths were also a strawberry blonde hue. It seems that if you were to travel back in time to Siberia 25,000 years ago and observed several family groups of Woolly Mammoths you would probably have seen a surprising amount of coat colour variation.
Ironically, a number of cave paintings show Woolly Mammoths. These creatures were obviously very important to our ancestors as sources of meat, hide and ivory for tools. These large herbivores would have been a formidable opponent for human hunters armed with nothing more than sharpened stakes and stone tipped spears. The cave paintings depict Mammoths in a variety of colours, more than 350 caves with paintings have been discovered in Europe alone. Some of these cave have paintings of Mammoths on their walls. It was thought that the cave artists using natural pigments such as ochre, haematite and charcoal, showed the Mammoths in a variety of colours for perhaps symbolic affect or to portray deeper meaning. However, a 21st Century understanding of the Mammoth genome demonstrates that Woolly Mammoths did come in a variety a colours.
Stewardess Ester Ősz
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The grey fur: possibly wolf, badger or silver fox?
Or I think it could even be wild sheep or seal.
Or I think it could even be wild sheep or seal.
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SeaAndSky
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Hi John,
In terms of psychoactive substances "expanding permanent brain function", I think the answer is yes. You may want to Google: "can psychedelics rewire the brain". I used that because of a vague memory of reading articles on this being used to help people recover from permanent detrimental brain changes caused by PTSD. However, the articles are pretty clear that psychedelics can "rewire the brain and expand brain function" when used for healing and recovery purpose.
However, this is when these substances are used to help recover more normal function. Outside of this, I have not done any research, but it seems probable that they could have the same mind expanding impact on a healthy brain that had never reached full function, as they have physically been shown to: "change the structure of nerve cells, causing them to sprout more branches and spines . . . ." on people with PTSD.
So, supposing that a group of primitives struggling for survival without high level intellectual input and the best nutrition might have diminished brain development and cognitive skills due to these lacks, it seems to me that psychoactive substances might help them to obtain this. But, this is just a hypothesis on my part. I don't think it is unreasonable, but . . .
In terms of what their expressions were like, this just sounds like pure unalloyed "male energy" and character without the mediating and moderating influence of civilization or even a settled culture. This is understandable to me if you're a male constantly moving and surviving on a day-to-day basis, hunting for food and struggling against a world of beasts that will kill you with horn, fang or claw (as well as other rival groups of humans) as you strive to provide for and protect your mate, children and tribe. The people you describe remind me most of the Plains Indians of North America before they were conquered and herded into reservations.
Cordially,
S&S
PS--My guess would be that the fur was the pelt of a grey wolf. This would (to my mind) be emblematic of ferocity and fighting spirit, especially if it was an animal he killed himself. I checked grey wolf images and saw a lot of variations in terms of grey and brown moving from predominantly one shade to predominantly the other.
In terms of psychoactive substances "expanding permanent brain function", I think the answer is yes. You may want to Google: "can psychedelics rewire the brain". I used that because of a vague memory of reading articles on this being used to help people recover from permanent detrimental brain changes caused by PTSD. However, the articles are pretty clear that psychedelics can "rewire the brain and expand brain function" when used for healing and recovery purpose.
However, this is when these substances are used to help recover more normal function. Outside of this, I have not done any research, but it seems probable that they could have the same mind expanding impact on a healthy brain that had never reached full function, as they have physically been shown to: "change the structure of nerve cells, causing them to sprout more branches and spines . . . ." on people with PTSD.
So, supposing that a group of primitives struggling for survival without high level intellectual input and the best nutrition might have diminished brain development and cognitive skills due to these lacks, it seems to me that psychoactive substances might help them to obtain this. But, this is just a hypothesis on my part. I don't think it is unreasonable, but . . .
In terms of what their expressions were like, this just sounds like pure unalloyed "male energy" and character without the mediating and moderating influence of civilization or even a settled culture. This is understandable to me if you're a male constantly moving and surviving on a day-to-day basis, hunting for food and struggling against a world of beasts that will kill you with horn, fang or claw (as well as other rival groups of humans) as you strive to provide for and protect your mate, children and tribe. The people you describe remind me most of the Plains Indians of North America before they were conquered and herded into reservations.
Cordially,
S&S
PS--My guess would be that the fur was the pelt of a grey wolf. This would (to my mind) be emblematic of ferocity and fighting spirit, especially if it was an animal he killed himself. I checked grey wolf images and saw a lot of variations in terms of grey and brown moving from predominantly one shade to predominantly the other.
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SeaAndSky
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PPS--Here are some beautiful images of grey wolves that are more purely grey:
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/gray-wolf-265899026
https://www.alaska.org/advice/grey-wolf
One is a lighter grey and the other a darker grey.
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/gray-wolf-265899026
https://www.alaska.org/advice/grey-wolf
One is a lighter grey and the other a darker grey.
John Tat
Senior Registered
Thanks to everyone for your replies they were very good and helpful.. leaving me with many questions of these memories I will try and sort out and get back to you
S&S you talked about us reminding you of The Plains Indian of North America .. that has my mind really working I have no clue or idea about the Plains Indians Of North America but a question that immediately popped into my mind was... Did they come from what is now known as Europe/Asia If they did and we went to Africa from the same region /regions and they went to North America and we were somehow connected.. something like also being "the special tribes" BB talks about then that would change the whole concept of what region/regions were the cradles of modern man
I'm very interested in the grey fur and will research it further
All The Best
S&S you talked about us reminding you of The Plains Indian of North America .. that has my mind really working I have no clue or idea about the Plains Indians Of North America but a question that immediately popped into my mind was... Did they come from what is now known as Europe/Asia If they did and we went to Africa from the same region /regions and they went to North America and we were somehow connected.. something like also being "the special tribes" BB talks about then that would change the whole concept of what region/regions were the cradles of modern man
I'm very interested in the grey fur and will research it further
All The Best
John Tat
Senior Registered
I have done some searching on the grey fur.. At the time in Africa there was a jackal/wolf that had plenty of grey fur.. An interesting find was a cave lion that was completely grey … from what I could find if it was a cave lions fur it most likely would have needed to come from Europe … off the two the grey jackal/wolf would be the most likely.. There were others that are very unlikely such as the grey rhino although not impossible
I have been thinking about what S&S said about us reminding him of the Plains Indians Of North America .. When I thought about it we were very different... more advanced maybe even more advanced than the American Indians during the settlement of the US.. for example we had already begun to construct permanent shelters.. long before the experts believe it begun I'm no expert in American Indians but I don't think they had evolved to the point of building permanent shelters like we had millenniums before.. so they were a long way behind us in there evolution of brain function
I may talk about some of the things we were advanced in … in later posts
I was also thinking about the drink we drank as a family of tribes .. They were not Illusion drugs.. If there were it's not possible for me not to have memories of "tripping out" which I have none.. none at all ..so the experts are not complexly accurate in what they talk about with these things
There must have been another/or other natural drugs available at the time in Europe that gave us clarity and clear thinking... no tripping out on mind bending drugs which over a period of time were of no benefit to the evolution of brain function… more likely hindered it...
It's very possible these natural drugs did expand our brain function
I have been thinking about what S&S said about us reminding him of the Plains Indians Of North America .. When I thought about it we were very different... more advanced maybe even more advanced than the American Indians during the settlement of the US.. for example we had already begun to construct permanent shelters.. long before the experts believe it begun I'm no expert in American Indians but I don't think they had evolved to the point of building permanent shelters like we had millenniums before.. so they were a long way behind us in there evolution of brain function
I may talk about some of the things we were advanced in … in later posts
I was also thinking about the drink we drank as a family of tribes .. They were not Illusion drugs.. If there were it's not possible for me not to have memories of "tripping out" which I have none.. none at all ..so the experts are not complexly accurate in what they talk about with these things
There must have been another/or other natural drugs available at the time in Europe that gave us clarity and clear thinking... no tripping out on mind bending drugs which over a period of time were of no benefit to the evolution of brain function… more likely hindered it...
It's very possible these natural drugs did expand our brain function
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KenJ
Moderator Emeritus
Another difference is that the NA natives could more easily simply fold-up their tents and relocate in a much bigger area than those so dependent on the Nile river banks. They did not have a need great enough for them to have "invented" plumbing. Further, the Northern American natives that we generally think of are the ones from the Wild West vidios rather than the truly old civilizations like the ones that you can see in Colorado and contigous States, or the mound-builders, in my area, that built earthen mounds for many purposes decorative, burial, religous/spirit, and fortification.
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
It's difficult to give any hard specifics without knowing more about what entheogen was being used, the dosing, and what the circumstances were.
For example, early experiments with psychedelics like LSD had very high cure rates for alcoholism, but they found that was only true where there was a "guide" that helped people through the experience and helped them make positive decisions/commitments, etc. (Ken's background might give him some insights into this as well). Something similar goes on with the modern use of Ayahuasca--it seems to be very dependent (especially in terms of positive vs. negative results) on the presence and mediating influence of a good "guide" or shaman.
There is also the question of what is being taken, and perhaps whether a mix is being taken. There are reports of very positive results from a mix of mescaline and meth (added as an energizer). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelics_in_problem-solving_experiment#Results). So, there may have been some synergistic combination at work as well. However, we are very hampered by the fact that we don't know what entheogen(s) was being used and what the active ingredients were.
Likewise, there is the question of dosing. "Microdosing" is a hot topic right now, and usually involves taking very small doses of LSD. The doses do not bring on a psychedelic experience, but are reputed to strongly assist in creativity, concentration, mood, etc. This has been a big deal in Silicon valley among the computer types.
So, questions: (1) Was the plant eaten as part of a ceremony of some type with a "medicine man"/shaman perhaps acting as a guide? (2) What type of dosing (i.e., how much) was eaten? (3) Was it processed or mixed together with other things or plants in some way? (4) Can you describe the plant or plants being used?
It would help if you looked up and studied pictures of the various entheogens of Europe. (I would search combinations of Entheogen and Europe and go through what comes up. Here is one that I saw: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Entheogen#Europe). There are many mushrooms used for this purpose, but I think you would have recognized a mushroom as being a mushroom rather than a plant. I came across Syrian Rue, which is largely toxic, but has ingredients in its seeds that make it an Ayahuasca analog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peganum_harmala#Recreational_drug_use It is common in the Middle East and North Africa (which would have included areas the tribes traveled through), but I don't know that it is found in Europe.
Anyhow, this is a big question. You would need to do more research in terms of searching the internet and looking at pictures of different plants for us to really hone in on this topic any further.
Cordially,
S&S
It's difficult to give any hard specifics without knowing more about what entheogen was being used, the dosing, and what the circumstances were.
For example, early experiments with psychedelics like LSD had very high cure rates for alcoholism, but they found that was only true where there was a "guide" that helped people through the experience and helped them make positive decisions/commitments, etc. (Ken's background might give him some insights into this as well). Something similar goes on with the modern use of Ayahuasca--it seems to be very dependent (especially in terms of positive vs. negative results) on the presence and mediating influence of a good "guide" or shaman.
There is also the question of what is being taken, and perhaps whether a mix is being taken. There are reports of very positive results from a mix of mescaline and meth (added as an energizer). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelics_in_problem-solving_experiment#Results). So, there may have been some synergistic combination at work as well. However, we are very hampered by the fact that we don't know what entheogen(s) was being used and what the active ingredients were.
Likewise, there is the question of dosing. "Microdosing" is a hot topic right now, and usually involves taking very small doses of LSD. The doses do not bring on a psychedelic experience, but are reputed to strongly assist in creativity, concentration, mood, etc. This has been a big deal in Silicon valley among the computer types.
So, questions: (1) Was the plant eaten as part of a ceremony of some type with a "medicine man"/shaman perhaps acting as a guide? (2) What type of dosing (i.e., how much) was eaten? (3) Was it processed or mixed together with other things or plants in some way? (4) Can you describe the plant or plants being used?
It would help if you looked up and studied pictures of the various entheogens of Europe. (I would search combinations of Entheogen and Europe and go through what comes up. Here is one that I saw: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Entheogen#Europe). There are many mushrooms used for this purpose, but I think you would have recognized a mushroom as being a mushroom rather than a plant. I came across Syrian Rue, which is largely toxic, but has ingredients in its seeds that make it an Ayahuasca analog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peganum_harmala#Recreational_drug_use It is common in the Middle East and North Africa (which would have included areas the tribes traveled through), but I don't know that it is found in Europe.
Anyhow, this is a big question. You would need to do more research in terms of searching the internet and looking at pictures of different plants for us to really hone in on this topic any further.
Cordially,
S&S
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SeaAndSky
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Hi John,
My comparison to the Plains Indians was not meant to imply a biological relationship between the tribes you speak about and the tribes of Plains Indians. There are many thousands of miles and many thousands of years separating these two. I was merely speaking about a way of life that involved wandering, following the herds, and a great emphasis on masculine energy with a proud heritage as warriors and survivors living off of the land.
Having said that, I do not know if there is a biological relationship of any kind. Genetically, it appears that various waves of people came across a land bridge from Asia to North America where the Bering Straits are located now (the water level was lower then during the last Ice Age). There are confirmed links between American Indian bloodlines and Asian bloodlines going back many thousands of years, but I haven't researched the matter in depth.
Cordially,
S&S
My comparison to the Plains Indians was not meant to imply a biological relationship between the tribes you speak about and the tribes of Plains Indians. There are many thousands of miles and many thousands of years separating these two. I was merely speaking about a way of life that involved wandering, following the herds, and a great emphasis on masculine energy with a proud heritage as warriors and survivors living off of the land.
Having said that, I do not know if there is a biological relationship of any kind. Genetically, it appears that various waves of people came across a land bridge from Asia to North America where the Bering Straits are located now (the water level was lower then during the last Ice Age). There are confirmed links between American Indian bloodlines and Asian bloodlines going back many thousands of years, but I haven't researched the matter in depth.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S Once again you have been very helpful.. I studied your attachments as best as I could .. as you are aware I have real problems comprehending complicated writings and situations .. from what I could gather from what I read there are some documented accounts of these things helping brain function.. but only for a limited time from what I could understand there is nothing permanent
I have many memories about many different things.. as a result I pass over most of them as just another memory .. paying little attention to them.. As I said the memories I'm currently talking about happened over three years ago.. they have just been there along with all of the others.. But when I'm forced to think about them as I have on the forum with these memories .. I then get a better picture about what the memories are about.. I now not only understand but firmly believe that whatever the drug/drugs our family of tribes consumed played an important roll in enhancing permeant brain function within our family of tribes . permanent is important . If I'm right which I most definitely believe I am then this is extremely important to many things
As I said we had already begun building permanent shelters.. long before any experts believed it began most likely a result of our family of tribes being together in the one place
I may talk about in later posts about how an explosion of building methods occurred and why.. It was far from a gradual thing as I said it was more like an explosion of building methods and techniques
As I have said before I believe many of these things are best kept to myself.. just one reason... it opens me up to many things
All The Best
I have many memories about many different things.. as a result I pass over most of them as just another memory .. paying little attention to them.. As I said the memories I'm currently talking about happened over three years ago.. they have just been there along with all of the others.. But when I'm forced to think about them as I have on the forum with these memories .. I then get a better picture about what the memories are about.. I now not only understand but firmly believe that whatever the drug/drugs our family of tribes consumed played an important roll in enhancing permeant brain function within our family of tribes . permanent is important . If I'm right which I most definitely believe I am then this is extremely important to many things
As I said we had already begun building permanent shelters.. long before any experts believed it began most likely a result of our family of tribes being together in the one place
I may talk about in later posts about how an explosion of building methods occurred and why.. It was far from a gradual thing as I said it was more like an explosion of building methods and techniques
As I have said before I believe many of these things are best kept to myself.. just one reason... it opens me up to many things
All The Best
John Tat
Senior Registered
The same as most things I talk about in these times I have no clues of the timelines... I know my memories jump back and forth in time from these times as I result I'm never really sure about the order they are in
I have memories about after we arrived in Africa educating the African tribes about building better and stronger permanent shelters (not huts).. In other words our family of tribes technology in these things was superior to the African tribes and we obviously developed these skills in Europe.. I understand that the skills we and other tribes in Europe developed of constructing permanent shelter was a very important step in our evolution and lead to all of the other types if construction that followed.. I speak of Europe in modern terms.. As I have said there were no political boundaries there were area's with a region and many regions that covered a vast area .. these are my (John Tat's) conclusions base on BB's memories.. I'm not skilled enough to say that that the skills of building construction began in what I call Europe.... although it most certainly feels to me it did..
These things along with many other factors from BB's memories raises serious questions about Ancient Egypt.. how did it all begin?.. The fact that BB and the others who came from these "special tribes" had many incarnations into Ancient Egypt says to me there are real connections between Ancient Egypt and the tribes who came from Europe..... and I wonder what out real heritage was... where did all of the tribes come from that made up our family of tribes we evolved from... that made us what we were?
I have memories about after we arrived in Africa educating the African tribes about building better and stronger permanent shelters (not huts).. In other words our family of tribes technology in these things was superior to the African tribes and we obviously developed these skills in Europe.. I understand that the skills we and other tribes in Europe developed of constructing permanent shelter was a very important step in our evolution and lead to all of the other types if construction that followed.. I speak of Europe in modern terms.. As I have said there were no political boundaries there were area's with a region and many regions that covered a vast area .. these are my (John Tat's) conclusions base on BB's memories.. I'm not skilled enough to say that that the skills of building construction began in what I call Europe.... although it most certainly feels to me it did..
These things along with many other factors from BB's memories raises serious questions about Ancient Egypt.. how did it all begin?.. The fact that BB and the others who came from these "special tribes" had many incarnations into Ancient Egypt says to me there are real connections between Ancient Egypt and the tribes who came from Europe..... and I wonder what out real heritage was... where did all of the tribes come from that made up our family of tribes we evolved from... that made us what we were?
KenJ
Moderator Emeritus
The question of where they came from fits well with the stories about Atlantis that claim that the inhabitants were scattered and some went to Egypt. After following Brien Foerster and others, there was an "earlier" civilization with elongated skulls - I think that we discussed this before, so I'll leave it for now.
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
Maybe you missed this thread: http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/evolution-and-adam-eve-reconciled-maybe.9055/
Basically it discusses scientific work which would posit an intervention of some type to create genetically superior humans at some point in prehistory (10,000 to 40,000 years ago perhaps), who then interbred with other pre-existing less advanced humans until their superior genetics and abilities permeated the entire human genome. This seems to fit in very well with the more superior and advanced "tribes" you remember, who would have existed at some point after this intervention took place, but before they had interbred with and spread their genes through the rest of the human race. Here is one of my statements from the thread:
So, were these new people the descendants of Adam & Eve as their descendants intermarried with the surrounding folks and began to spread something "different" through the pre-existing humans on the face of the earth? This seems like as good an explanation as any, whether they were created (or enhanced) by the God of the Bible, the Annunaki or the Aliens of 2001. But what was this change? It is hard to say, but I think it could have included a heavy increase in spiritual sensitivity coupled with a tremendous increase in Left Brain capabilities. I assume there was also at least some advance in Right Brain capabilities as well, but to me what happened after c 10,000 BC is definitely very Left Brain (with Right Brain serving to enrich the new insights received from a much more advanced analytic ability). Suddenly humanity became an artificer, creating works of great complexity--including most of what we denote as civilization. Something Cro-Magnon man, for all his/her virtues had not done.
Of course, I mentioned the God of the Bible, the Annunaki, or etc. I suppose you might want to substitute the beings you refer to as the "Sun Gods" as the causative agents behind this change that created the "tribes". Anyway, you may find the ideas discussed in the thread and referenced articles interesting.
Cordially,
S&S
Maybe you missed this thread: http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/evolution-and-adam-eve-reconciled-maybe.9055/
Basically it discusses scientific work which would posit an intervention of some type to create genetically superior humans at some point in prehistory (10,000 to 40,000 years ago perhaps), who then interbred with other pre-existing less advanced humans until their superior genetics and abilities permeated the entire human genome. This seems to fit in very well with the more superior and advanced "tribes" you remember, who would have existed at some point after this intervention took place, but before they had interbred with and spread their genes through the rest of the human race. Here is one of my statements from the thread:
So, were these new people the descendants of Adam & Eve as their descendants intermarried with the surrounding folks and began to spread something "different" through the pre-existing humans on the face of the earth? This seems like as good an explanation as any, whether they were created (or enhanced) by the God of the Bible, the Annunaki or the Aliens of 2001. But what was this change? It is hard to say, but I think it could have included a heavy increase in spiritual sensitivity coupled with a tremendous increase in Left Brain capabilities. I assume there was also at least some advance in Right Brain capabilities as well, but to me what happened after c 10,000 BC is definitely very Left Brain (with Right Brain serving to enrich the new insights received from a much more advanced analytic ability). Suddenly humanity became an artificer, creating works of great complexity--including most of what we denote as civilization. Something Cro-Magnon man, for all his/her virtues had not done.
Of course, I mentioned the God of the Bible, the Annunaki, or etc. I suppose you might want to substitute the beings you refer to as the "Sun Gods" as the causative agents behind this change that created the "tribes". Anyway, you may find the ideas discussed in the thread and referenced articles interesting.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
I do not have the ability to put in things that will allow you to read specific articles .. But on the news today is something that may have strong links to what I have been talking about... the European tribes that went to Africa and ended up in Ancient Egypt... As I have said before the experts keep finding things that blows some of there beliefs/theories out of the water and is also why I don't like talking about many things Google .. ABC news .Takabuti mummy may have been killed in violent knife attack
KenJ
Moderator Emeritus
I'm not sure who would be upset. If we are talking about civilizations since the last world-wide extinction about 12.8 million years ago and after the earth plates fractured so that the African plate/continent moved away from Eurasia. The Mediterranean sea was much smaller or perhaps non-existent at some point making it easy to walk there.
Here is a map showing some "empires". My colorblindness makes it nearly meaningless, but I hope you find it useful.
Here is a map showing some "empires". My colorblindness makes it nearly meaningless, but I hope you find it useful.
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John Tat,
Well that's a tall question! Personally I never believed in PL until I had my NDE back in the early 80's. Without going into too much detail during the NDE I experiences briefly what many have term as cosmic consciousness. Which by the way was a very moving, over whelming experience to have both mentally and emotionally. It was then I became aware that I had lived before many, many times upon the earth plane. In fact all of humanity has been reincarnating on this planet for the past 10,000 years or so however most of us have no memory of this. After I recovered from my heart attack I started studying eastern spirituality and new age info on reincarnations. Most of what I have learned in various books more or less explains what I had personally experienced. I understood that the soul is already eternal by nature. And that the process of reincarnation is the process of how consciousness (the soul if you will) itself evolves over time.
This process not only takes place here on our planet but throughout the cosmos as each planetary system has it's own cycles of reincarnation depending upon the souls that live on these other worlds. Our physical dimension is only one of many other dimensions of reality where consciousness (soul) exists. So after we die we simply drop the physical body and shift our consciousness inward into the next inner subtle body which would be the astral. From there we exist in full consciousness on the astral plane or fourth dimension of our universe where we start off our after life. We exist for a while in these other higher dimensions in-between incarnations until we decide to take on the flesh again. So in reality there is no death. Only transitions from one state of consciousness or reality to the next. this is all part of our souls evolution.
However it has taken me a lifetime to learn all about this. Partly from my own inner personal experiences and partly from piecing together from outside sources of others that have experienced this as well. What I have found interesting in this spiritual journey is that even though there are many different spiritual paths on this planet there seems to be a common thread of inner truth that runs thru each of them. All trying to explain the same thing but coming from different view points of reality where each soul is coming from. Which in a way makes the tapestry of life an interesting one. So you are correct in the each soul must look within the self to find the answer that has been there all along.
Peace and love P.
Stewardess Ester Ősz
Probationary
All over Europe we can see the traces of ancient civilisations in the geological structures. They are probably several million years old. And swiped away by numberous ice ages, that have been coming and going on our continent for so long. But still, if we use our eyes we can see these structures of antient cultures in our landscapes and on satelite photos from above. In the mountains especially. But on plain ground and in woods also, you can see the remains of old roads and other monumental building structures that once stood there. Yes, humanity and civilisation on earth goes many millions of years back. To say at least 20 million years would not at all be far fetched. But its probably even older.
John Tat
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Hi S&S I have taken a day or so to understand that you were talking about in post#873 What happened as sometimes happens when I read these things about complicated things I fail to understand the relevance.. I know its me.. that there is relevance.. but fail to connect it to what I was talking about,, The same happened with Polaris8's post it sounded great but I fail to see the relevance... again it's me
It most likely comes from my memories and beliefs that sometimes I don't understand how something that from those memories and beliefs could have connections to something that to my memories, understandings and beliefs is way out there in left field .. so its me
As you are aware this is not the first tine I have talked about something that has turned out to be accurate
As I have said while in Europe my family of tribes was very important to our evolution as was the drink we drank both of which I have talked about before... As I also said the tribes did not only have different skills and abilities but some were also different physically... who and what they were I have no clue ..it may have been a blending of what was the best back then all of which and other things created what BB calls "the special tribes"
While we were in Europe the sun gods did not some to us.. As I have said before they came to the tribes of the Nile and BB's tribe was one of them.. The more I think about it the more I understand it was these "special tribes" the gods came to.. it makes both logic and sense that is what happened.. the fact is .. they did came to BB's family of tribes and most likely other "special tribes' from Europe.. so the sun gods came to the tribes from Europe not Africa.. which was important to the creation of Ancient Egypt
The last quote in the article has real relevance to what I have been talking about
"This finding supports previous studies that suggest Ancient Egyptians were genetically similar to Europeans"... these findings blows apart many previous beliefs and understandings about Ancient Egypt and the tribes of Africa and other regions and backs up what I have been talking about
All The Best
It most likely comes from my memories and beliefs that sometimes I don't understand how something that from those memories and beliefs could have connections to something that to my memories, understandings and beliefs is way out there in left field .. so its me
As you are aware this is not the first tine I have talked about something that has turned out to be accurate
As I have said while in Europe my family of tribes was very important to our evolution as was the drink we drank both of which I have talked about before... As I also said the tribes did not only have different skills and abilities but some were also different physically... who and what they were I have no clue ..it may have been a blending of what was the best back then all of which and other things created what BB calls "the special tribes"
While we were in Europe the sun gods did not some to us.. As I have said before they came to the tribes of the Nile and BB's tribe was one of them.. The more I think about it the more I understand it was these "special tribes" the gods came to.. it makes both logic and sense that is what happened.. the fact is .. they did came to BB's family of tribes and most likely other "special tribes' from Europe.. so the sun gods came to the tribes from Europe not Africa.. which was important to the creation of Ancient Egypt
The last quote in the article has real relevance to what I have been talking about
"This finding supports previous studies that suggest Ancient Egyptians were genetically similar to Europeans"... these findings blows apart many previous beliefs and understandings about Ancient Egypt and the tribes of Africa and other regions and backs up what I have been talking about
All The Best
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