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Hi Ken,

We looked into the Nephilim somewhere earlier in this enormous thread. I don't think they fit either chronologically or in terms of the salient characteristics for the "sun gods" as described by John, though they definitely constitute an interesting and controversial subject area. (The JW site you linked hits some of the usual characteristics recited for the Nephilim (though there is also dispute here)).

In any case, I think the beings described by John have more in common with the type of being described in Ezekial 28: 11-15:

"11 The word of the LORD came to me:
12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “ ‘You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you."

I.e, these were very high and exalted beings in terms of their wisdom, beauty, etc. prior to the great rebellion. A fairly standard exposition of this chapter, if you are interested, can be found here: https://www.christianity.com/theology/theological-faq/how-did-lucifer-fall-and-become-satan-11557519. The picture of Satan at the top is also standard though not Miltonian (which I think would be closer to the truth in this context). I think it can safely be ignored.

However, though the article I have linked provides some background, I am obviously approaching the matter in a "non-standard" way. It would be hard to do anything else given the data John provides. So, I don't necessarily consider myself bound by prior interpretations.

In terms of "the fleas of a 1000 camels . . ." that hardly seems to be BB's style. His style of rhetoric is not our own, but it is clear that he is deadly serious, and that the enmity between these two "factions" as I have politely (and sensitively) put it, is obviously very great.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John,

I agree 100% in terms of the importance of "who" controls incarnation into the physical. This is the doorway for spirits to enter in a real way into the physical plane/realm of action. Spirits can apparently have a lot of influence without coming into the physical, but not in the same way. Complete control of incarnation would allow the faction BB is associated with to eliminate physical entry of their enemies into the physical and likewise control (and possibly open the floodgates) for entry/embodiment of the loyal members of their own faction in the physical universe. At the moment, this is something that seems to be largely under the control of their enemies.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S BB is me my spiritual self he is me not some entity that has attached himself to me l
That has been suggested may be the case My memories of Ancient Egypt and what BB/ me has done are all my memories BB memories not some foreign entities memories I Havre far to many memories of being me/BB and importantly our mother in the red dress I have talked about many times and much much more for BB not to be me People need to experience what I have to understand
Given BB is me its' difficult if not impossible for me to link me to what you talk about it just does not seem possible but in saying that BB is me whoever
I m All The Best
 
Hi John,

I'm having a hard time understanding your last post. However, it seems to be based on a perception that I am talking about BB as if he is not you. I was not intending to say that you were not BB in anything I have posted recently. Perhaps your comment is based on the fact that I believe that non-incarnate spirits can influence other spirits who are incarnate. I do believe this. This can be unconscious influence, but it can also be a conscious relationship such as we have with other people. I.e., you seem to have this kind of relationship with your source, which has also been a source of influence in your life. In terms of BB, I sometimes speak of him like he was a separate entity because that is how you speak about him--and apparently relate to him much of the time.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S My problem is.. because over time on the forum some have told me or inferred that me/ BB is not me but some non incarnate spirit who has attached them-self to me .. the result of that is I'm over sensitive to how some things are written.. entirely my fault with no one else to blame but myself As I tried to explain I do not see myself/BB in the manner others do.. I cannot imagine I have ever been as important and/or wrong as you talk about.. I just want to see myself/ BB the warrior of the gods I see myself to be... I have had many incarnations into Ancient Egypt..I/BB was there when the sun gods came to the tribes of the Nile.. and I will return to end the chaos and return balance .. that's all John Tat the physical wants me BB my spiritual self to be.. Yet the more I meditate and the more I understand who I am the more complicated I become Such things such as control of the reincarnation process and other things I become aware off.. The important roll the physical John Tat must play in taking some and the beginning of taking control of the reincarnation process.. Understanding where and what the North star will lead us .. Or D Ha and BB to next time.. it goes on and on.. Our source has had no real influence on us for a long time.. he is there but what he had to do he has done I/BB sees him as very inferior to me

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

Thanks for the clarifications and no problem on the issue from my side. I understand your concern that others realize that you are BB and BB is you.

On all the rest, I think I've said all I can say for the time being. Like you, I need to return to my meditations and consider these things. Plus, as I also do, I will return to my other studies related to the subject. In the meantime, like you, there are also the day-to-day necessities of life to be tended to. This observation is not meant to detract from the importance of the subject matter under discussion. We are engaged in a very deep and important topic. However, for the time being, I think I've said all I can say until I have some further revelations from my side or you have some further revelations from yours. I'll be looking forward to that.

I hope you have a great day and a great week!

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John,

I keep returning to certain questions that I wish BB could answer. First, why is the control of reincarnation under someone else and not the sun gods. Second, why are the ones who control reincarnation "unworthy". Third, why does BB have such enmity towards the beings I was talking about in my post above.

I guess a lot of this reflects on the truth or falsehood of the scenario or background I set forth above, the one that BB reacted against so strongly. But I'd definitely like to get something more specific from BB on all of this.

I know that things can come slowly to you through meditation and aren't always clear, but I just thought I would let you know some of the things on my mind.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I will sort through what I can talk about and what I cannot talk about.. Keep in mind I'm directly involved so I'm very restricted..Its important to keep in mind that the war of the gods happened here on earth.. you are aware I have talked about this before.. You may refer to them as spirits probably because that is what they are now but maybe not...maybe there is another reason.. an illusion.. back then they were physical gods . there was no conflict in the spiritual between higher and lesser spirits it all happened here on earth ...That is why BB often talks about them as physical. such as "may the jackals of the night piss on them" I will do what I can do

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I don't recall any discussions about a "war of the gods" that "happened here on earth" being part of the discussions, but perhaps it just slipped past me somehow. I just did a quick search of "war of the gods" used here on the board and came up with zilch. Do you know where this discussion is on this incredibly long thread? Or, a search term I might use to find this discussion? I am very interested in this.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S Maybe I did not talk about the war of the gods.. there is so much I do not talk about I get confused about what I have and have not talked about.. The forum leaders precis long threads which they have to do because of the limits of how much can be on the site.. So even if I did it probably is no longer there.. When I think about it's more likely I did not talk about than I did ...In a way I feel comfortable if I did not because I'm not sure how much detail I would have talked about

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

I am very interested in this, especially in why there was a war, who the sides were/are, how it started, how it ended (if it did), and what is the current situation of the combatants. Of course, I don't know how much of this you know, but whatever you can share would be appreciated.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S Before I begin several posts about how it was .. I think it's important you put aside for that time all of your preconceived thinking/beliefs on what has happened and how it was and process what I'm saying .. I will go into as much detail I can without crossing the barriers I face
The following is important to answering some of your questions . A long time ago I asked BB what is the chaos we will end and what is the balance we will restore.. There has always been plenty of talk about chaos and balance in Ancient Egypt without any clear definition of what they were to us.. BB communicated to me ... chaos is when we do not have control and/or we loose control ... balance is when we have control and/or regain control
During the war of the gods an extremely powerful women sun god was instrumental in our victory that created balance.. Maybe much later they gave her the name ma'at but that is only a guess..
Proceeding the war of the gods there were long periods of time of building tensions between the gods.. in other words it was not a spontaneous war.. The war of the gods began over disagreements on what I can only describe as tribal differences between the gods.. Tribal differences is what was communicated to me and those differences had been building tensions between them for a long time Those differences included.. control of territories .. control of people..and the methods used to achieve.. and so on.. I fully understand telling you the gods were/are tribal is way out there but you asked me how it was that is just one fact of how it was .. You asked me who were the two sides in the conflict.. To survive the gods formed alliances with each other.. various things brought then together.. in the end there were only two groups
Another fact...taking into consideration the whole scheme of things our reincarnation process is a relatively new one and is heavily influenced by our tribal god enemies.. and you wonder why there are problems... Through them there tribes on earth are well established and fully committed to the survival of there tribes
BB must return and restore balance well before a new chapter in human development can begin.. Our balance must be there so the next chapter can begin.. The sun gods are also tribal .. we are the good guys .. from us all good things happen.. The tribal gods who currently control things must be defeated.. it will be brutal.. Many members of there tribes on earth will be eliminated and will never be allowed to return when incarnation is also in balance.. Many things people now believe in will be gone because many of them are the ways of our enemies. The physical must be in balance we must be in control for this new chapter to begin as we reach out beyond earth.. balance of all things begins in the physical
The warriors of the sun gods will restore balance in the physical..as I said it will be a brutal time..Our enemies will fight us with everything they have.. and that will also involve countless physical entities
members of there tribes on earth.. We are far more powerful than our enemies.. as I have said before we are just waiting for the right time to restore balance
If this post offends you tell me and I will not post another

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I'm not offended in the least, just interested to find out what is going on. Thanks for the info and for anything else you can provide.

Cordially,
S&S
 
This war that you mention John, ties into some of what I have been researching in the metaphysical dimensions. Called different names as such, but none the less validates some of what Ive read, unfortunately some of it falls on the wrong side of the forums rules.
Are the anunnaki involved in this war John? because thats what ive been researching into unless im completely wrong
 
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Hi Briski,

I am very interested in whatever you have on this. The board rules are here:

http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/posting-guidelines.1305/

The major ones I can think of applying to this have to do with preaching or occultism. However, in my experience, as long as the context is clearly related to reincarnation, and not proselytizing in religious/occult/etc. areas the moderators tend to be fairly relaxed. However, if you are concerned about forum rules, please feel free to give me a PM. I'd definitely like to know what you have that might be relevant.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John,

I think the Anunnaki already came up around pages 30-31, and were dismissed by you at that time. You may want to revisit those pages and see if you have any further thoughts on the matter.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi briski I'm neither a technical person or a scholar ..Everything I talk about are memories and what is communicated to me from BB my spiritual self I had never heard about metaphysical dimensions or the anunnaki before.. I google both . metaphysical dimensions is way beyond my abilities of comprehensions the anunnaki I just don't know what to make of that.. I think it's important to say .. what I talk about are my/BB's and also John Tats best understandings of the words and do not have any relevance to words that may be used to describe what I talk about.. I'm not a student because of my inabilities of comprehensions of written words.. as a result often I have nothing to offer on what I say .. I understand ... they are my understandings,,mine/BB's

All The Best
 
Hi S&S I don't remember that discussion I will go back and have a look.. My memory is never very good with things I did/do not understand
All The Best
 
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Hi S&S I don't remember that discussion I will go back and have a look
All The Best
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Hi John, I just checked mere dreamer put up a youtube clip, pretty much what I have been looking into,
Im also drawn to ancient times, self taught how to read ancient txts, found it remarkably easy to learn. Ive not managed to open up my memories, i also used to wear ankh around my neck until I lost it swimming in the sea ( over 15 years ago now) I never replaced it. Im sure I read you wear one? I do wonder if i do have a connection to either ancient Egypt or Greece, or even both. Ive been to Greece around 15 times now(pretty much every year).
 
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Hi John,

After you said what you said about different tribes of "gods" I began to think about what some others have speculated about--the origin of all of the different "pantheons" of "gods" worshiped in different parts of the world.

A "Pantheon" is probably the word that would be used now instead of the term "tribe" for these groupings of "gods". The word "tribe" was probably used to explain things to you because that was a term you/BB understood--and it is also pretty accurate. In any case, a "Pantheon" is a grouping of gods that was accepted and worshiped by different groups of people in different places around the globe.

For example the Greek Pantheon included Zeus, Hera, Aries, etc. The Roman Pantheon was essentially the same, but with different names (Jupiter, Juno, Mars, etc.), so it appears that the same group of gods was being worshiped by both of these peoples, but using different names. Plus, the Greeks and Romans both accepted these gods as being the same (but with different names).

The Germans and Scandinavians of Northern Europe had a different Pantheon made up of Odin/Wotan, Thor, etc. It appears to be distinctive from the prior pantheon as the descriptions of these gods is different and they have different powers and different stories told about them.

The Pantheon of Egyptian gods seems, once again, different from both of the foregoing pantheons with different stories, names, etc. There have been many such pantheons revered and worshiped around the world. Some have been claimed to be the same as others being worshiped elsewhere under different names, but many are clearly different from each other.

The belief of various people in these gods and pantheons has been explained in various ways by scientists, but none of the "respectable" ones that I know of accepts these beings as being anything other than myths and stories of ancient people. OTOH, there are others who are not respectable scientific types who speculate that there is a basis in fact for these ancient stories and that some type of god-like beings came to our planet in the past, and that the stories and myths that are told about the ancient "gods" are the blurry recollections of what these "gods" did and were like. From that standpoint, it could be argued that various groups of these beings established themselves as "gods" over different groups of people/lands so as to be the pantheon ruling over that people and land.

Did these pantheons ever fight against each other? There are ancient myths from India about battles of this type, but I don't know much about it. And, interestingly enough, when different people groups conquered others, they often considered that their gods were obviously stronger than the gods of those they conquered and had beaten them as well. I don't know if any of this is helpful, and I will have to do more research. However, it is definitely true that the Greeks and then the Romans conquered Egypt resulting in a decline in the prestige of the Egyptian gods. After this, the monotheists--Christians or Muslims--conquered and/or converted the people of all of the regions previously worshiping the pantheons discussed above, almost complete eliminating the worship of all of their gods. How any of this might relate to what BB is saying I do not know, but perhaps it will be helpful in understanding him.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S once again plenty of good information very helpful.. thanks

briski Yes I have worn an ankh for a long time I have three ... two expensive with gold chains but the one I wear all of the time is made from basic metal with no real stones.. I purchased it for 10 bucks at a market and use a piece of cord to hang it around my neck.. attached is a photo .. It gives me great comfort something the others don't.. I'm very attached to my gods especially Horus and Anubis
It of course all comes from my spiritual self ..BB.. You have to be attached to BB to fully understand what he is talking about.. When he said.. may the jackals of the night piss on them and fill there ka's with piss to drink after we hack them to pieces.. he was actually praying to Anubis the god with the jackals head The upload did not work I will try and do it later
 
I have this growing feeling that I'm trapped in a bubble..Things like this discussion about the physical gods and the war of the gods does not help this feeling I have..When I say trapped its not a problem because of me/BB .. I'm trapped in a bubble of truth of how some things were that many are looked upon as fiction and/or nonsense..
S&S talked about respectable scientists who believe the physical gods and the war of the gods are myths and stories.. As far as I know they offer no proof.. none at all.. to back up those speculations
I though respectable scientists investigated the unknown...obviously by there actions they are far from respectable
The discussions on this topic is also poisoned by the inferences if there were such beings/ gods they must have been aliens
The truth about the physical gods is no more or less mythical or alien than Jesus is in the Christian religion.. Jesus a physical god born to a physical mother in the physical.. just as the physical gods were I talk about.. I know for a fact through BB that the story of Jesus was/is a complete rip off from who the true and real gods were/are.. These are things science should be investigating IMO
 
Hi John,

First, almost all Christians believe that Jesus was God incarnate. There is a lot more to it than that, and the comparison you are making is definitely not exact, but it would take all day to talk about the differences. For now, it is close enough. There are a few Christians who don't accept this idea, such as the Jehovah Witnesses, but they are a very small minority.

Second, I don't think you should be excessively worried by what "official" science has to say on these matters. "Official" science would think all of us and everything on this board is wacko, as "official" science is a strictly materialist enterprise, so don't feel like you are alone. As a strictly materialist enterprise, "official" science does not accept the existence of things that cannot be explained from its current materialist viewpoint. It also looks down on the relatively small number of scientists who are exploring topics like reincarnation, etc.

Third, don't be worried about speculations about "aliens". People are just trying to fit things into the their own preexisting frameworks of ideas--as they always do. You do the same, as you/BB are currently trying to fit Jesus into your/BB's preexisting framework. This is something we all do. Anyhow, I think they are partially right about "aliens", and you are partially right as well. If the sun gods are presently inhabiting physical bodies elsewhere in the universe, they are not earthbound humans. The only human beings I know about are right here on planet earth. Maybe there are human type beings all over the physical universe, or maybe the physical bodies the sun gods are inhabiting are not human (as we understand the term). Both types of bodies would be "aliens from another planet" from our standpoint. But that doesn't exhaust who we are or who you say the sun gods are. THAT is only the "materialist" way of looking at things, not ours. As you know, the spirit inhabiting the physical body that is named John Tat is not that body. If the "sun gods" inhabit a human body, does that make them human? If they inhabit an alien body, does that make them aliens? They are who they really are no matter what type of physical body they temporarily inhabit. The body for you (as for them) is just a vehicle to interact with things in the physical at a particular physical location.

Fourth, I am not surprised you feel like you are in a bubble. I think we all feel that way to some extent, but your bubble is different and distinct to you and your particular beliefs. If there are other people on earth who remember the "sun gods", you do not seem to have any contact with them. If there are others on earth who are seeking to practice the old religion of Egypt (and after many years there are a few), what they are practicing is not based on what you know, but primarily on speculation and archaeology. So, from what I can tell, you are the sole believer of your type currently walking the earth. To that extent you are alone . . . for now. BTW--I often feel like I am in a bubble as well . . . but the future will come for both of us in due course. Then I hope to no longer feel so alone, and I know you are hoping for the same.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I was not offended by anything you said. I can sense your frustrations. I have a lot of frustrations as well, though my reasons are probably different in most respects.
 
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Hi S&S Once again your words are very informative and calming.. You put things in ways that gives me things to think about.. I have never properly considered the implications of the sun gods abilities through the incarnation process to occupy physical bodies.. I have always accepted that is what they can do.. That when I think about is a major difference between Jesus and the sun gods.. The holy spirit came to Mary whereas the sun gods must go through the incarnation process..to become "human" ..from my perspective that gives rise to the interruptions of who and what they are when they are born into the physical from a physical mother again a previous mother of the gods and human physical father..Is it something like if you are born in a country you are automatically a citizen of that country no matter who your spiritual self is.. Who you are spiritually has no bearing if you are accepted as citizen or not.. or is who they are after being born human is something different.. To BB they are neither aliens because they were born here to human mothers and fathers or are they mystical.. They are physical gods... It would be interesting if science investigated these things The things we have been talking about here.. the physical gods and the war of the gods.. BB was there .. All of this happened after the sun gods came to the tribes of the Nile..As I have said before I have no clue how long ago that was Was it 10..15...20.. millenniums ago as I have said I have no clue.. My mind cannot cope looking back in time.. going back that far.. My mind can only cope with how long that is by saying to myself what will the world be like in the year 12018 0r 22018 ..That is the only way I can get perspective of how long ago the sun gods came to the tribes of the Nile

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I think I agree with you and BB in most respects. If sun gods are born in a human body they are definitely not "aliens"--but I would hesitate to call them merely "humans". (That would make them no different than the rest of us). So, it seems like they would require a different title than the rest of us. BB has given them one that suits him/you. I'm not 100% sure I'm completely good with that, but I don't have any better idea at the moment. . . .

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S Something that may help in deciding who they are which I*m very interst to hear what you think... As I have said many times the mothers of the gods must return to the physical first again through the incarnation process so they can give birth to the gods I have thought long and hard about that the only answer I can come up with the mother's of the gods through there spiriual selves grow within there human form a physical body and brain worthy of the gods Does that make sense to you All The Best
 
This is something that I have been spending some time trying to figure and understand but what I've found from regressions (other people) and through other research that in terms of spirits no one is really from here and that all spirits that are people here are much older than commonly realized. It gets complicated and there is still so much out there to find and learn but generally being human is just a part of our experiences but never the complete story of our existences. One can open the box themselves or have someone help them along the way but be prepared as some of the answers are likely to not fit with in the scope of your beliefs and theology.
 
Hi T&BA,

I'm in agreement on all three statements/sentences above. As a matter of fact, the last sentence is what this whole very long thread has been about for both John and myself. You'd have to sort through a lot of ideas and sift a lot chaff, but the thread is worth reading from the beginning--though it would be quite an exhausting exercise.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John,

Your last post sets forth a very plausible hypothesis based on the data you have given. It seems quite possible from what you have said in the past that the "mothers of the gods" have to be suitable for that task. The "sun gods" seemed to be looking for some particular blood line when you were talking about this before, so that might be part of it. However, that would seem to be a characteristic dealing only with the physical rather than the spirit side of things. As to the spirit side, you have written in the past (discussing cross-gender incarnations), that there is a very close relationship and sharing of memories between the spirit of the mother and the spirit of the unborn child. Could it be that the "sun gods" also seek and possibly require not just the correct bodies but the correct spirits in those bodies? Do you think that would be the spirit of someone already of this world, or do you think it would it be one of their servants sent from afar, perhaps from where they are?

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S thanks again for your input.. There and back again said some very interesting.. some I do not fully understand but I will work on it.. That comes from almost everything I talk about comes from BB my spiritual self.. so as always I have nothing scholarly to offer... sometimes I wish I did but as you know that is not possible for me
Things like the communications between the spirits of the mother and the unborn child I take for granted so I rarely talk about it.. and it does cause plenty of confusion about who's memories you are remembering ....just one effect it has is the memories about cross gender incarnations.. We have had long discussions about these communications so there is no point going over them again
So yes the spirits of the mothers of the gods would be in close communication with the gods while they were in womb of there physical mothers.. I'm not sure how long they occupy there new physical body before they are born.. may only be a short time.. but that's a guess.. There new bodies are not occupied by a spirit already of this world.. well not as far as I know ..BB has never said anything about that.. but I'm sure if it did happen he would have in some way communicated that to me You said something about would it be one of there servants sent from afar.. That's not how it is .."afar" infers alien well I think it does maybe I misinterpreted what you meant.. The spirits of the gods have never left.. as they said they came from a place exactly the same as here..The full implications of that I feel are far reaching and implicates everything we are

All The Best
 
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