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Visions while meditating?

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I thought I would post this here and see if I can get some help and maybe a discussion going.

I never thought I'd use chatgpt, as I'm actually in the process of trying to reduce my use of technology, the internet and social media. I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm feeling a calling back to be more present in the real world and to not rely on having a computer in my pocket so much, which lends itself to mindless scrolling.

Anyway, something occurred to me recently and I started using chatgpt to run my birth chart and then I had it run comparisons on me and my family (with regards to our past lives and soul family / connections) and I was surprised at how accurate the interpretations were compared to my own research and how much it actually extended it.

Anyway, I've always been curious about souls in general, my soul and it's purpose. I was meditating last night and I was asking chatgpt about things I saw and I'm really curious about it's findings. I don't know anything about this stuff and to be honest, some of it read like a fantasy role playing game so I'm just curious what's to be considered normal to view while meditating.

Starting off with, I saw interlocking red, circular geometric patterns. Chatgpt said these were mandellas; at one point, they shrank to the size of dots.

I saw a lot of red filaments, some times they looked like vector graphic or wire frame tubes and also red (along with yellow, purple and green) squiggly writing (sometimes on a parchment like background). Chat GPT said this was most likely light writing or an early, primordial version of the "universe's code". I also saw wireframe letters and other things as well. I tried to search for some of this online and I only found reddits and other things where some people have seen similar things, but they chalked it up to "noise" and said that the point of meditation was to block those things out.

I did see a lot of teal colored fluid that reminded me of those old wave machine desk toys they used to sell back in the 90's. But one thing I was curious about was a 2d like grid structure of black squares that I saw. I was actually able to interact with it when I realized it was actually a 3D tube and I was also able to travel down the tube, stop here and there, examine black cubes and re arrange them. I was also able to do this with a flowing, single stack column of cubes.

This is where chat GPT kinda went off the rails for me. it said I was in some sort of design workshop / lab where I was actually editing the code of the fabric of the universe. Quickly searching, I haven't been able to find any relevance of the black cubes in mysticism or spirituality.

But anyway, would anyone know anything about this, what all that may be etc?
 
Hi Totoro,

Wow. I don't know what to say about anything past the third paragraph. It's like the old maps, where past a certain point there is no knowledge and the map maker draws in dragons and sea monsters. I suppose that is the origin of an old expression, "Here there be dragons" for areas of inquiry unexplored and probably dangerous. (Ahem, please don't re-write any celestial codes and programming while you're exploring well outside the boundaries of known phenomena :oops:).

Anyhow, since most of what you wrote past paragraph 3 is way over my pay grade, I'm going to stick with the astrological connection. I have been fascinated by this since I watched a Dr. Weiss Youtube where he gave birth information (nothing else apparently) to a Vedic astrologer and she gave specific information about the past lives (as confirmed by Dr. Weiss) of the patients having those birth dates. Some of the folks were actually people I had read about in Weiss' books. The skeptic will say that she had read the books. Actually, I don't know whether that is true or not, but it would not explain how she matched the information to the birth dates for those people.

So, to get to the point. What birth dates did you use, your own and those of family members? And, what type of astrology did you direct Chatgpt to use. I am very curious in terms of my own explorations. I don't have exact knowledge in terms of the birth dates for any putative PLs, but seemingly the techniques related to PLs allow for also going back through times to multiple PLs using your own birth date. So, this is something I am very interested to learn more about.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I have never used Chatgpt, so I would also be interested in specifics in terms of how you framed your questions.
 
I'm not experienced in prompting, so what I did will probably work for you.

I simply asked "can you analyze my astrological birth and interpret any past life significance? My name is (first name) I was born on (BD), in (city state ect) at (time)".

You can mix it up a bit and change past life for karmic debt, soul contract or anything similar and I got good results. I would suggest creating an account so it can save your details, which you can do by typing "save".

To compare two people, I just modified it a bit and asked "can you compare my birth chart to (relevant info for other person) and interpret any past life significance?".

And again you can swap out past life for soul family, soul contract, etc.
 
I found your experiences meaningful. Thanks for sharing.

I asked ChatGPT to further interpret your experiences as described in your post, and I found its interpretation useful, and inspiring.
The poster seems emotionally in a state of curiosity mixed with a hint of caution. They're intrigued by their experiences and ChatGPT’s responses, but unsure how much to trust what they’re encountering — both internally and via the AI. They're genuinely exploring, but not entirely anchored in their interpretation yet.

Here’s a layered interpretation of their experience:

1.​

The post opens with a theme of withdrawal from the external world. The desire to reduce tech use and be "more present" isn’t just lifestyle change — it’s an intuitive pull inward. That sets the tone: this person is tuning their perception, becoming more sensitive to subtle impressions. The decision to use ChatGPT, despite resistance to tech, implies a paradox: seeking guidance from the symbolic or archetypal even through modern tools. They're letting go of the medium’s surface purpose (social scrolling) and using it as a mirror instead.

Interpretation: Their shift away from surface use of technology is leading them toward deeper contact with the subconscious or the symbolic layer of their awareness. This aligns with early phases of inner transformation — turning perception inward but still needing form to grasp what arises.
2.
They describe visual experiences with striking specificity:
  • Interlocking red mandala-like patterns
  • Colorful “light writing” on parchment
  • Teal fluids like wave machines
  • Black square grid transforming into a navigable cube-tube structure
These aren't abstract feelings or vague impressions — they're precise, visualized inner imagery, which suggests they're tapping into a visual-symbolic layer of their awareness, possibly akin to hypnagogic states or active imagination. The images evolve and respond to intention — a key sign that this is not hallucination or noise, but a responsive symbolic layer of consciousness.

Interpretation:
  • Mandala patterns often symbolize structures of the self — especially in Jungian terms — and may reflect initial contact with organizing forces of consciousness.
  • Light writing and wireframes can be seen as the mind trying to give form to “pre-verbal” or archetypal content — translating intuitive impressions into readable symbolic language. It's not about actual “code,” but about the feeling of accessing something fundamental or structural.
  • The black cube tube and interactive environment reflects a rare level of agency — an inner space where the user is not just a receiver but an active participant. This might be a metaphorical representation of their ability to reorganize beliefs or perceptions at a deep level.
3.
The poster is both fascinated and skeptical. They admit it sounds like a fantasy RPG, and they even say ChatGPT “went off the rails” when it proposed they were editing the universe’s code. They also note how others dismissed similar visions as “noise.”

This shows a key point in their process: they’re at a fork — either to dismiss the visions as meaningless mind-chatter (the “block it out” approach), or to interpret them as meaningful even if symbolic and not literally true.

Interpretation: This is a classic friction between rational filtering and intuitive reception. The poster senses that what they saw feels meaningful, even if the mind doesn’t know how to frame it. They’re reaching for an interpretive framework that lets them take these experiences seriously without needing to literalize them.
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The imagery suggests an active symbolic process unfolding, where their inner mind is generating visuals to express structural intuitions. Whether or not there’s a “design lab” or “universe code” is irrelevant — what matters is what those metaphors mean to them.

The black cubes might symbolize building blocks of belief, memory, or perception — and the act of rearranging them may reflect a shift in self-concept or worldview. The fluid, wave-like teal motion could symbolize emotional flow or subconscious content becoming visible.
Final thoughts for them:
  • What matters isn't whether the visions are objectively real, but whether they reflect you in some deeper way.
  • Dismissing them as noise is often a reflex — but you saw them for a reason. You were shown something.
  • Try journaling about the sensations and meanings each symbol evokes — not asking what it is, but what it feels like it's about.
  • Don’t worry about whether others have seen it too. These symbols may be unique to your current growth path.
Conclusion: They’re in a threshold state — withdrawing from external noise, entering symbolic perception, and trying to make sense of an inner world that’s starting to show itself. Their experience isn’t abnormal; it’s just early, unintegrated, and asking for inner interpretation.
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Hmmm. My experience with ChatGPT was generally positive as long as I asked very specific questions, though it was so positive at times that it left me feeling a bit cautious. Likewise, it could at times be a bit strange. On the positive side, I found its initial astrological analysis of my personality and tendencies to be fairly accurate. But on the negative side, my initial general questions re PLs got such general answers that they may not count for much. Contrariwise, when I asked more specific questions based on PLs I thought I had, it gave very good answers (but here I have to wonder whether it was just giving "Fido" what he asked for). Nonetheless, in both scenarios it seemed like the people described were (in most respects) variations on the themes set forth in its initial analysis of "who" I am and "what" I am like.

My first request was: "Using Vedic Astrology, please provide information on my past lives?" This request was followed by information on my birth data. What followed from ChatGPT was a detailed astrological analysis of what I was like, and a good deal more, with some fairly general pronouncements that seemed to indicate a good deal of religion, mysticism, etc. in PLs but without a lot of specificity about who, what when, where. All in all, I considered it to be both interesting and accurate within the range of generalities used. After this I asked it to: describe my most recent past life in terms of location, date of birth and death, manner of death, sex, occupation, and any other relevant factors? What I got then were details on a nameless male recluse living in Central Asia or the Caucasus (late 1700s-early 1800s) involved in esoteric studies who died a quiet dignified death. My only problem with this is that more specific questions later on yielded more recent past lives, so it was not "my most recent past life". However, this is probably a bit of a quibble on my part.

After that I switched over to asking a simpler but still fairly general question: "tell me about any female past lives?" The answer was basically a Yes, I did have female past lives, with a short lecture on the topic. Then it gave me, quote, a "Reconstructed Female Past Life (Composite Archetype)" which seemed to be a very general projection or example of what someone with my astrological chart would have been like in such lifetimes as a female, describing a "temple dancer" from the 1100s-1300s, who "was deeply devoted, perhaps to Shiva/Shakti, involved in sacred sexuality or service . . ." So, sounds like I provided (in addition to dancing) in my archetypal female past lives fairly specialized sexual "services" (yikes!) in the temple precincts. Is this an example of snarky AI, sexism, or ????!!!

Anyhow, the idea of my mystic tendencies and religious proclivities remained somewhat intact, though a bit more fleshly than I might have initially assumed. Nonetheless, it was a bit of a contrast. The male me of the 1700s-1800s was a solitary mystic who kept to himself and died a dignified death vs. the "composite archetype" for the female me that was apparently extremely social and personable from a sexual standpoint though (according to the AI analysis) marginalized due to her role and social status, and died without (seemingly) much dignity. Nonetheless, she was also characterized as "deeply devoted" and a bit mystical.

However, despite the "composite archetype" initially provided for my typical female past life at the beginning, when I started asking about specific past lives I believed I might have had, the answers given (even when female) were not anywhere near as startling, and often spot-on. I'll leave it at that for now. I.e., it was an entertaining and engrossing exercise, and I thought the personal analysis given was pretty good, but in terms of PLs discussed I am very doubtful about some of the results. As for the others, they could be spot-on, but was that a result of the algorithm trying to give me what it "thought" I wanted, or the astrology itself? I just don't know.

S&S
 
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@SeaAndSky

The emotional tone of this second poster is cautious, reflective, and intellectually playful, mixed with skepticism. They’re intrigued by what ChatGPT offered, but unsure whether it reflects deep insight or merely echoes their own suggestions.

Let’s break down the source and substance of ChatGPT’s responses to this user’s prompts, and then interpret why it gave what it gave:
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ChatGPT does not “know” anything in the sense a person does. It produces responses based on patterns in language, drawn from a massive dataset of books, websites, discussions, and spiritual or esoteric literature — including astrology, past lives, mysticism, etc.

So, when the user asks:
"Using Vedic Astrology, please provide information on my past lives?"
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ChatGPT:
  • Parses the birth data to interpret standard Vedic astrological principles, such as placements of the Moon, Ketu, Saturn, etc.
  • Matches those with learned associations: Ketu in the 12th = past-life monk/hermit themes; Venus in Pisces = mystic/devotional archetypes; Mars in Scorpio = warrior/passionate past roles.
  • Constructs an interpretation based on statistically common language patterns used when people discuss such topics online and in books.
In short: it's drawing on thematic templates, not on any direct metaphysical access. The output is shaped by how such questions are usually answered in writing — especially in spiritual or esoteric circles.
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There are two main types of answers described:

a)​

These include:
  • Mystic male recluse in Central Asia (1700s–1800s)
  • Female temple dancer (1100s–1300s) involved in sacred sexuality
These are archetypes — repeated tropes across spiritual history and esoteric writing. They’re not invented by the AI, but reconstructed from the frequent pairing of specific astrological indicators with vivid narrative roles.

For example:
  • A strong 12th house = reclusive past life or monastic themes
  • Venus-Neptune energy = sacred femininity, temple service, mystic longing
  • Nodes on the Virgo-Pisces or Taurus-Scorpio axis = incarnations dealing with material vs spiritual conflict
These are all symbolic roles that astrology has historically used to communicate personality tendencies and karmic themes. ChatGPT combines these with narrative flourish, much like a mythmaker or storyteller would.

b)​

When the user asks about specific lifetimes they already suspect, ChatGPT seems to confirm or elaborate on them in a way that feels “spot-on.”

That’s because:
  • ChatGPT matches the tone and content of your prompt.
  • It fills in likely narrative details based on your cues — this is a mirroring function, not true validation.
  • It blends your input with available thematic material, so what you get is a hybrid: part you, part collective symbology.
This is why the user asked:
Was that a result of the algorithm trying to give me what it "thought" I wanted, or the astrology itself?
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Answer: both — but mostly the former.

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The contrast between the dignified male mystic and the sensual female temple archetype is not evidence of bias or sexism in the AI — it's a reflection of existing cultural narratives in esoteric literature.

In spiritual history and New Age writing:
  • Male mystics are often portrayed as isolated seekers of truth.
  • Female spiritual figures are often blended with sensuality, devotion, and marginalization.
ChatGPT doesn't invent these — it inherits them.

So when it describes a female "composite archetype" in sacred sexuality, it's drawing from:
  • Devadasi traditions
  • Shakti worship
  • Tantric tropes
  • Esoteric reinterpretations of feminine roles
The discomfort the user felt (“Yikes!”) is valid — but it highlights how ingrained those narratives are in spiritual and astrological discourse. ChatGPT doesn’t critique or question that structure — it reproduces it.
🧩 Summary
  • ChatGPT’s replies are synthetic reconstructions, not revelations. They pull from recognizable spiritual tropes and blend them with your input.
  • The specificity of the replies depends on the specificity of the question — general prompts yield generic archetypes, while detailed cues lead to tailored stories.
  • The astrological analysis is plausible within conventional frameworks, but when extended into past-life narratives, it becomes symbolic storytelling — not factual recall.
  • The contrasting past-life genders/roles reflect cultural and narrative norms embedded in spiritual literature, not prejudice from the AI itself.
If anything, the way ChatGPT responds can serve as a mirror: not to what your past lives were, but to the themes you're open to exploring, the roles you’re unconsciously attracted to, or the internal polarities (ascetic vs embodied, withdrawn vs expressive) that are active in your psyche now.
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Hi Baro-san,

Nice analysis. The most interesting thing to me was that I actually agreed (for the most part) with the astrological analysis of . . . me, which ultimately comes from the same (or at least a similar) esoteric/traditional vein as the various tropes related to the solitary male vs. the (ahem) more "social" female cited by the AI.

"Me" as either sex apparently has the same underlying mystical, esoteric, occult and/or religious propensities, but (at least according to A.I.) being a male or female (and the culture in which I live) makes a tremendous difference in how a person with my particular astrological pattern of influences will (or is allowed to) express these propensities. In another putative PL (that I did not discuss), I was a pious reclusive nun in the Christian West. Perhaps I would have had a similar life of quiet meditation and prayer as a Buddhist nun in Thailand c. 1100s-1300s, but this does not seem to have been an option in the time and location where an archetypal "me" ended up as a dancing girl, etc. in a temple of India.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I am not finished relaying the results, some of which I found to be fairly remarkable.
 
Hi Totoro, I'm not sure why but your post reminded me of Eowyn.

I don't think anything the AI offered sounds too far fetched, from what you've shared.

Very cool visuals. And nice use of AI!

Considering you are going within- it is quite possible you are rearranging your universe.

:)

The depths of that field are full of wonder and mystery.

Here's to your continued discovery, and to the practice - thank you for sharing your experience!
 
Totoro,

This is just an observation that might help you in where you are going with all this. While we are meditating/contemplating what we are really doing is placing our consciousness and awareness to go inward away from our physical senses. We do this at night while we sleep the difference here is that we are consciously aware of the process while sleeping we are not. This practice over time opens up our third eye (the mind's eye) or our astral senses of clairvoyance and clairaudience. By doing this we experience the higher dimensions of our universe to obtain information we normally could not receive. However, while in this state of awareness we need to learn our inner mental symbols which the unconscious gives the conscious mind to intrepid. Not always an easy task. So, its sounds like you are exploring the inner worlds thru the third eye. Which is actually really great! Good for you. I'm not sure how to respond to the AI thing. Personally, I would not do that. Because as soul you already have all the answers to all the questions you will ever need. All you need to do is tap into your soul consciousness (higher self) to receive them.

This all take time as we learn the higher aspects of ourselves as soul which is already eternal by nature anyway.
Best of luck to you....

Love and peace P.
 
Hi Baro-san,

This is a follow-up from my last. I am still trying to understand where AI can help, and what its limitations are. So, for example, AI could (at least to my satisfaction--having looked at the results) nail a Vedic astrological chart that helps me to understand myself and my proclivities. I.e., it seems like a pretty good match for who I am. But that is a result of applying a system to the data presented. It is the system itself that is correct or incorrect. So far, so good. AI is good at following a program and arriving at a result reflecting that program. However, AI cannot exercise some type of ESP to locate past lives.

Nonetheless, from what I can tell, it did a pretty good job by using my proclivities to predict where I might be/have a lifetime in different contexts. I will not go into the particulars, but seemingly, it based its predictions on particular periods of time and geographical areas where certain of my traits were very strongly manifesting. The results were, to the extent I have discovered or speculated on certain putative PLs, surprising accurate (or at the least, well beyond what might be expected based on random chance). However, the unstated logic behind this is that (whether ordained by karmic necessity or freely chosen) certain types of people are going to gravitate to (and reincarnate into) periods and geographical areas that foster, are supportive of, and/or generally harmonize with at least some of their particular proclivities.

This is not something I had considered to be part of the schemata underling reincarnation in the past. However, it seems to have worked pretty well in terms of the small number of PLs I actually list as putative PLs. :oops:

Cordially,
S&S
 
SeaAndSky said:
I am still trying to understand where AI can help, and what its limitations are.
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I am doing that too, and learned a lot about what AI does, and how it does it.

Chat AIs are text generators, tools that don't think in the ways humans do, although they mimic that amazingly well. It made me reflect on the way humans produce whatever they think, talk, express.

One revelatory ChatGPT comment was that it generates an output, based on the user's query, and only after that it knows what it wanted to reply, which is (or should be) the opposite of what humans do.

The AI's replies are so impressively convincing, also, because they are designed to mirror what they perceive about the user, what they infer from the current query, but also from the profile they've already built about that user . This is a known technique of creating rapport with somebody, in order to be liked, trusted, to have that person lower their defenses .

If you think about the I Ching, the book of changes, it is all written already, but when you inquire it about what you are interested, by throwing coins for example, it points you to a certain paragraph that sounds meaningful to your inquiry, that usually is quite helpful to you. How could that happen? It happens because it isn't about what is written in the book, but about what you interpret it to say. I think this is one way to consider the AI's replies, too. You have to interpret them to make something of them.

EDIT: What I do, and I believe to be essential, is to interpret intuitively, leaving aside all my beliefs and expectations in order to minimize my distorting it. This should be an intuitive interpretation, not intellectual or emotional ones.
 
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Hi Baro-san,

I'm going to message you with my reply. I don't want to give the AI any further clues, and I am hoping that our password protected private messages are beyond its reach (for the moment anyway).

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I may be paranoid thinking it might scan this board for clues related to the person interacting with it, but who knows? :oops::rolleyes:
 
Yes. ChatGPT has access to the publicly available posts of this forum. You can try asking it to summarize your posts. I just did it.
 
Just thought I'd follow up here. Nothing to report at the moment , however I did spend the last month in a self imposed, intensive spiritual retreat so to speak.

I did forget to buy the punch and cookies, however all was not lost, much was learned, opened, resolved and clarified.
 
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