Pleased to meet you all and any Cathars!

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  1. Sk17

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    According some buddhist and hindu scriptures - Soul has to take birth in several animal forms before evolving to become humans.

    The main cause of reincarnation is 'desires' , once we have evolved to the level where all of our legitimate desires are satisfied we attain liberation.

    Now what happens after liberation is interesting - it is defined as the state of ultimate bliss, consiousness. Imagine the most happiest moment you have in your life - now multiply that 10,000 - thats what happen when the soul meets spirit after liberation.

    Check this out - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satcitananda

    Pardon me if my English is not good - its a second langauage. :)
     
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    Hi Firefly,

    On creation--I think video #4 covers the “creation” part of her presentation. It is worth a review, though it left me with a good many unanswered questions. Plus, though I like her, I still have other scholars and sources I would like to review.

    On Anthropocentrism--I think all religious faiths tend to be anthropocentric, which is understandable as they are directed towards human beings. However, I assume you mean Catharism/Catholicism in contrast to faiths that posit an overall evolution of all forms of life towards a high spiritual goal (as opposed to just human beings). In that regard, I could not say at this point, though I certainly think that the focus is on human beings.

    In terms of the “Meta-Narrative”--Overall, as is typical in Abrahamic religions, an initial “fall” is posited, from which we seek to recover. In Origenist thought as well as Cathar thought, this was a “fall” from a heavenly existence. Origen believed that initially “souls” were in bliss in contemplation of the One, but that some fell away, and in falling fell to different degrees. Some became angelic beings at different levels, some fell all the way into the material level (you and I), some are even more debased (devils/demons). The goal is to advance and recover our prior relationship with the divine. I think Cathar thought is very similar, but with an even greater suspicion of material existence. This view seems to vary between a belief that: (1) the Good God (i.e., the supreme being) created all the prerequisites for physical existence, but that the devil hijacked the process to form the physical world and trap fallen souls here—as his own little Kingdom; and (2) that the Devil gained sovereignty over the physical world by gaining sovereignty over fallen humanity (the usual story).

    In terms of “return”, the process seems to involve both outer and inner components. There is the usual turning away from the “world” and towards God in terms of the outer life. From this standpoint, the Cathars were big fans of the Apostle John, who spoke against the Lust of the Eyes, the Lust of the Flesh, and the Pride of Life. Hence, those who had undertaken the more rigorous life of the “consoled” (perfecti) lived lives of self-denial and humility on the one hand, turning away from the sins of the World. On the other hand, they cultivated and tried to live out the 1st and 2nd Great Commandments—Loving God with all of their heart, mind, soul and strength, and their neighbors as themselves. They were pesco-vegetarians, pacifists, fasted rigorously, lived very simply, strove to support themselves and help their neighbors, etc. In terms of the inner component, not much is known. The inquisition destroyed everything it could, and their practices in this area may not have been written down anyway. However, in one account I read it was considered relevant by someone betraying a neighbor to the inquisition that the putative Cathar spent hours sitting unmoving. To me this would indicate meditative/contemplative spiritual practices—which exist in the West as well as the East.

    I probably didn’t cover everything, but I hope this helps. Plus, I still have so much to learn . . .

    Hi Sk17,

    I was very interested in Yoga and Indian philosophy at a younger age (as well as a lot of other things). In any case, I did some Hatha Yoga, practiced Transcendental Meditation (the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi variety) for several years, and loved the literature. Yogananda’s “Autobiography of a Yogi” was one of my favorites.

    The path of the Cathars was to turn away from this world and towards God in all aspects of their existence, minimizing the material aspect and maximizing the spiritual aspect. Those who had gone through the ceremony of the "Consolamentum" hoped to leave permanently via the "Good End"--a death that would be their final death in this world, allowing them to return to the heavenly existence as Light Beings in the Light of God for good. However, for most seeking this return, the path would require many incarnations.

    In terms of English skills, don’t worry. A great many posters on this board are not native English speakers. The quality of a person’s thought shines through even when they may have trouble with the language. You're doing fine!

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Hmmm. A bit sad that Kaye dropped in for just long enough to stir things up on this subject and then dropped back out again. I've continued to find out more, but the tantalizing things she mentioned in regard to the inward (esoteric) practices of the Cathars remain mostly hidden and missing.

    Overall, there are so many things they said and taught that touch things that I "knew" at some earlier age were the right perspective or approach to certain issues . . . or just seem to be very familiar to me. Other things reported in history give me a distinctive sense of "wrongness"--whether this means that the Cathars were wrong or are being falsely represented . . . I can't tell. So, I guess I'll just have to wait for someone else with actual knowledge to drop in . . . .

    Anyhow, I increasingly think that I might have been part of this time and set of events in some way, but nothing definite.

    PS--I kinda wonder what made her disappear after briefly being so active. Did she get pushed too hard, or was it because she realized what she was really committing to if she committed to once again follow this "way"? I'd prefer to think that her computer broke down and she'll be back in due course. Time will tell . . .
     
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    Hi S&S,

    What about needing time to process all the conversations and stirring up? ;)
     
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    Hi Firefly,

    Maybe. I have been processing as well, and ferociously researching. The message of Catharism, by my best research, was very mixed. Some of it makes a lot of sense, other parts . . . .

    Overall, it offered a multitude of advantages over the corrupt Roman church of that age, which was part of its popularity. However, the underlying "story" it tells of life and the universe is pretty confused--based on the available resources. I had hoped that Kaye might be able to resolve some of these issues with her own first-hand account, and that Catharism might be what I was searching for. (I will know if/when I find what I am searching for, though I would find it difficult to define). In any case, I no longer have much hope of that in terms of Catharism.

    Still very interested, but moving gradually in other directions . . .

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Greetings all, I am new to the forum - I'll get right to it.
    I had an extremely intense experience during Ashtanga Yoga recently, while concentrating on my breath and holding a difficult position - I was suddenly flooded with a vision of hundreds of faces, all medieval in aspect, some in armor, others like peasants. The word Cathari rang in my mind and I saw fire and was overwhelmed by emotion - I had to stop. I was extremely raw for days afterwards. It has haunted me since and I have been reading reputable sources of information about the Cathars and Bogomils, their beliefs, the Albigensian Crusade, The Inquistion, Languedoc, Occitan and anything else I can get my hand on. At one point I agreed to try to convert to Catholicism (I was raised liberally as an Episcopal), did the catechism to completion but could not continue and did not show up at my official welcoming - something would not permit me to go any further and I was absolutely adamant about dropping it for good, which I did. I'm not a religious person.
    I continually get impressions of the aforementioned Cathar visions (though not as intense), as well an odd familiarity with Asian culture (I am not Asian), for as long as I can remember. I also recently took a trip to the Baltics and in Vilnius, Lithuania I became again overwhelmed with a knowing that I had been there before. It's all a lot ot process and I am considering getting a regression, but I don't even know where to start. If anyone has guidance of any sort, it would be much appreciated.
    It has been starkly clear to me that I am in this world, not of it.

    TM
     
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    Hi Tmolesky,

    Welcome to the forum!

    Yeah, practicing yoga can cause 'flowing of the energies'. It's interesting to read your experiences. I don't have guidance to offer but I do have some advice: Take one step at a time. If you want to explore your former lives, just concentrate on one and try not to mix several at the same time. I know that this is sometimes difficult because related past lives might trigger each other.

    You can also do self regression. On Youtube, there are several videos that guide you through the experience.
     
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    ...and write things out for safekeeping outside of your computer as they come to you if possible. Read the posting guidelines and other people's experiences while trying to filter out the "pretenders" that sometimes clutter this form for a while as they mature and move on.
     
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    Hello and welcome, TM.

    The Cathars, Languedoc, Mary Magdalene, and southern France have long been a triggering point for me also. And, like you, I read everything I can find about the Cathars. Three years ago I traveled this region and was continuously overwhelmed at the energy. I wanted desperately to make it to Languedoc and Montsegur but wasn't able to. In the near future, I'll make it happen. I was warned by a fellow seeker to be on guard at Montsegur as the energy levels there are very powerful and overwhelming for the unaware. Interestingly enough, in my in-depth genealogy work, I have discovered a line of my maternal family that comes from the Languedoc region.

    Regarding regression. I have been through past life regression at the hands of a doctor who specialized in this as a therapy. It was very powerful and overwhelming. If you can find a licensed and or certified regression therapist, I would highly recommend it. Many here have found other methods that work for them; I searched the International Association of Regression Therapists to find this person, who at the time, was their director of research. I don't believe they are still an active body, but have morphed into a new group... a google search will surely point you to any of the certified counselors.

    Good luck in your search. If I may be of assistance, please ask, either here or in a private message.

    Blessings, ~Tman
     
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    Tman - thank you for your response.
    What type of doctor specialized in this therapy and was it in the USA?

    Best,

    TM
     
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    Hi TM, she was a psychologist, I believe, who used a number of therapies. Its been a lot of years, but I remember her office being in a medical arts building. I know there are several psycho-therapy disciplines that use regression therapy, including the counseling and somatic-oriented processes. From MD to Ph.D., the study is broad and not oriented to one discipline as some of the credentials will reveal. Since hypnosis is usually the primary method, I would venture to guess the psychology oriented people are more likely to enter this field. There are non-PhD/MD experts who have made a career in this field, and we shouldn't discount them either. It will take some research into their background to see if they are a match for your needs. I took it rather seriously, thus I looked into the professional organizations. This was such a major episode in my life that I needed some assurance of the person's capabilities and the over-all reality and plausibility of the concept (I was a skeptic!). I would do no less if I were hiring a plumber:cool:.

    I should also note that many people use videos, meditation recordings, and other self-guided methods; these have their own merit too, you will find many of them listed here on the forum. I am not opposed to them and actually look forward to exploring one that Fireflydancing posted recently called Past Life Regression. I, like many here, take the venture very seriously and am not interested in past life recreation. I want to understand the things that vibrant deep in my soul ... the things that make me who I am and offer resources for understanding such. With everything in life, there are choices and modes of research; I simply go at it with a little more fervor.

    I hope this helps. Do your homework on the process, and in my opinion, the Great Spirit will guide you. Our forum is a wonderful resource of material and people. Read, read, and read some more.

    Blessings to you. ~Tman
     
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    I agree with what Tman stated although I might be a little more liberal or needy since I tried several non-credentialed people first. I found three such people within twenty miles and they were all pretty good at their work, I just wasn't "ready". The last one I visited was someone with training and certification from somewhere I can't recall at the moment but found on their website that listed their certified students; she was unique in that she drew sketches of the person that appeared to her. I lost the sketch and audio of the session when my computer crashed:(, the sketch looked like my Dad in his thirties.
     
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    Kaye i read all of your posts so far and this entire discussion is very resonating with me. Deeply loving and full of loving kindness and wisdom. I was born in india as a 'hindu' and i dont identity myself with any religion, i am not religious but i am inclined deeply towards inner truth, a lot of your spirit guide wisdom is what i resonate with and what indian teachers like Ramana maharshi teach , names and religions are just labels but the TRUTH and Wisdom is timeless and is here and now.

    I am listening to the cathar music link you posted, its beautiful. Now i will continue to read the thread ;)
     
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    To me the flame is the Truth. Truth of who you are. True nature of spirit. Kundalini certainly brings that true nature out , she is a beautiful fierce energy that demolishes distractions, deviations of the external world drawing self to self within. BTW i feel right now our bodies are also evolving to house more of the spirit, its important to bring the spirit to the body since body is also made of spirit rather than leaving the 'focus'of the body in life to go to spirit , which happens during death. I feel its about embodying the purity of spirit in the body , therefore allowing the god, light , true nonduality to be embodied, while in the body. This is why present moment awareness is the doorway. It brings full attention to the body. here and now. in this timeless now
     
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    If you still have this offer, i would love to receive one copy of your cd. i cant P.M .i dont have that option yet , may be because i am new member? but please let me know if you are still thinking of sending the cds. Thanks!
     
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    Quote "The Cathars sought return to the original order, which included the separation of spirit from matter. Somehow particles of spirit have been trapped in matter, in particular, in human bodies. Our duty is to free these elements of light. A lifetime is not long enough. The spirit is forced to reincarnate. When the last particle of spirit is free, the world will end. There will be again a total separation of spirit and matter. I.e., the restoration of the original order, the apocatastasis. It is absurd to question whether the system of Catholic resurrection of Cathar reincarnation is best—both satisfy the requirements of justice. In the Catholic system evil is punished in Hell. In the other it is expiated through numerous lives. The belief in reincarnation circulated in the first centuries of Christianity up to when, in 533, the Second Council of Constantinople condemned it a heretic. It is founded on the Gospel where certain words seem to allude to reincarnation. From the first Christians it passed to the Cathars. That they believed in reincarnation is doubtless. But the Cathars also believed in resurrection, not of the body of course, the body belongs to the material world and is destined for death and corruption. That’s what the apostle Paul says: “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 15: 50). The apostle Paul distinguishes between an animal and a spiritual body, a terrestrial and a celestial incorruptible glorious body. The Cathars called “resurrection” the return to this body called “glorious” or “vesture”. The Cathars believed in the end times but with no Last Judgment, instead the end of the struggle between the two principles. No eternal Hell, but the liberation of every particle of light imprisoned in matter. This is a common belief of all the doctrines which believe in reincarnation. The Cathars believed that with the resurrection all spirits would get a glorious body called “vesture” or “white vesture” but also—their “throne” and their “crown”. The former apparently represents their return to their position in and among the hosts of Heaven, while the crown is apparently a crown of light.

    Cordially,"
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    What if this world does not need to end , since there is no time , what if spirit and the matter are not separate but two unique focuses within all that is? and what if those focuses can meet in the middle?. like the middle path. what if reincarnation is not imposed on us, is not actually without choice , but can be chosen, if we are aware ? what if the soul perspective can be embodied more and more as the body evolves to house the soul.? :) What if its all about here and now. in this current experience? in the perfect balance of body and spirit? in this timeless moment? in this focus where body as the extension of the soul and not separate.? what if we allow ourselves to remember more and more our true nature while in the body and also consciously welcome death? what if they there is no end goal other than remembering who we are and the experience of the NOW moment?
     
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    Kundalini is powerful and her pull is strong. She facilitates the deepest inner pull into self. She is gentle when we surrender to her process , if there is resistance the process is difficult , in surrender its gentle and deeply transformational. I used to have automatic full body yoga poses in the beginning in 2008 but as i surrendered more , it has become very gentle and kind. and she is more in the foreground as awareness , as presence.
     
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    I resonate most with what Seth speaks about animal consciousness that animal forms are different focuses for souls as a choice of experience ,there is no 'evolution' from animals to humans so to speak. Souls can choose to embody the forms based on relevance of their intended focus? Animal forms and focuses are unique but there is no hierarchy. Animals are not less evolved than us, just that they have focused differently, thats all. Like trees and rocks , they are all aware to some extent with their unique explorations. They are more present they dont need to think , in the moment. Humans developed thinking but let the thinking take over their identity and they often escape to the mental realm to avoid the present. But now they have the opportunity to move beyond identifying with the thinking , and refocus to be consciously BE present. That's different than animals who are present without probably being conscious of the choice.

    Enlightened masters like Ramana maharshi, Buddha or our contemporaries like Yvonne ballard Serrano, or Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie still have the bodies and are embodying more of the true nature while in the body. Ultimately the process of enlightenment is about realizing that we are not the ego identity only, we are the formless and yet can use the form, so the balance of formless meeting the form is needed as long as one has the body and the physical experience.

    The 'end game' is the process of conscious living itself. With inner integrity. Every moment..
     
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    Eckhart has an interesting way of putting this. He says that because we have desires and attachments we are reborn in each moment. desire and attachments create new thoughts in each moment therefore we refocus in the name and form each moment. Ramana maharshi calls them 'vasanas'. Core beliefs that create thought and emotions.
     
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    Very pleased to hear you talking about the K. She is quiet within me now these days but it's a daily task to keep the balance within my system. I've always surrendered to the process, from the very first second, although my mind didn't know what was happening.
     
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    Yes surrender seems to be the only way with Kundalini.
    For me it woke one night ( i had received shaktipath from my guru just a few days before). One night in nov 2008 i was reading Eckhart Tolle's New Earth and it had deeply resonated with me, and that evening i had released some trauma tears related to my family. That night when i was meditating , my body began to slowly shake , i observed the effortlessness of it. I went to bed that night and while i was falling asleep my etheric body or the energy body would rise up half way while i was asleep on the bed , I aware of being in the etheric body and as also in the physical body, hard to describe. I was fully aware of the way my energy body was abruptly getting up and falling back , many many times without me doing anything. And then i saw the vision of a yogi multidimensionally like a flash , again hard to describe, like i could see his full body and yet close up of his face , and feel what he is feeling all at once. He was in deep bliss and in deep meditation. I also began to have more and more out of body experiences and energy movements with in the physical body.
    Apparently they are called Kriyas, they would feel like eletricity jolts , automatic mudras and full hatha yoga poses that would happen effortlessly.
    One night i dreamt of a snake staring at me intensely and in that gaze there was such intensity , it was in my living room where i was sleeping, so i suspect it might have been an out of body experience. I will never forget its intense stare. The stare was stern and yet there was a bond. The snake was like a cobra but not exactly cobra, it did not have a hood but had such a piercing gaze. Its body was facing straight forward but its gaze was sideways at me.
    There was an intense message there.
    An intense message of 'wake up, its time. There is no going back'.
    Then my life began to go through major changes, divorce, change of place, change of people around me , and my interest in spirituality began to be more of a main focus , and i began to meet my soul family.
    More out of body travels and experiences , downloads, etc. Its been amazing journey ever since , like before 2008 i was a different person. literally different version of me. My relationship with my parents immensely improved towards unconditional love.
    My Kriyas got reduced as i let go of resistance with surrender, now they come up as a few automatic mudras that hold me or anchor me within in stillness while i let go of levels of identities, and be present in observation without thought. It feels like Presence. I feel more attuned to GAIA now. I can feel my body being guided to go touch certain trees and i feel their presence and my presence as one. its a beautiful journey, was painful when i was going through initial life changes and upheavals but now its more in the foreground as a gentle presence. Sometimes intense desire to focus inward comes over, an intense urge to stop thinking and be present, be one with surrounding, an intense urge to stop doing, just stop all the external focus of mind. and there is a magnetic pull there , an invitation to be deeply present, it feels like heaven on earth. like the split of me and my life disappears into 'What is' or whatever IS here and now.
     
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    WOW... great experiences, I feel you.

    You mentioned you were born in India and you mentioned your guru, so I assume you had some knowledge about Kundalini in advance. I didn't. Yes, I sometimes talked about Kundalini but to be honest, that was a shallow perception. In hindsight, I didn't really know what I was talking about. (In the years prior to the experience I had already energy rushes now and then and I called them Kundalini energy as if that was all).
    It all started when I made soul contact with an online friend. One particular day our energies 'clashed' somehow. Immediately my energetic system set on fire. My chakras went wild, like burning spinning wheels and it felt like melted metals (gold) were pouring through my veins. These fires and burning went on for weeks, until one moment that the K-experience started. I didn't feel well and went to bed and then it all started. Like you (and I find this highly interesting) I was not alone. There was a spirit, guiding and controlling my process. I trusted this spirit completely, so I didn't panic during this weird event.
    It's life-changing and irreversible. I know. I was ready, although I didn't do yoga practices nor meditation. I just allowed everything to happen. I didn't suffer much side effects like the Kundalini syndrome (lucky me) but there are still a lot of inconveniences you have to go through. Your energetic system gets an upgrade. I did experience krya's for quite some time, the unvoluntary movements like spasms. For more than a year or longer, three hours of sleep was enough for me. I no longer tolerated drinking alcohol. I still don't. And this moving cloud of bubbling energy that circled through my body day and night without a break, really made me crazy.
    It happened to me in 2016. You mentioned the year 2008, that also a remarkable year for me. Life before 2008 and after 2008. August 2008 was the turning point.
     
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    You were ready for it. Trusting the inner spirit is one of the best things you can do for yourself during this process. Energy can be highly intense and uncomfortable when its active full blown. But that too settles down like you said. Meeting of your soul family accelerates things. I met my current husband in 2011, he is my soul family. He is american , we are born in two different continents in two different races, with two different cultural backgrounds and yet our bond is powerful and highly resonating on all levels. After meeting him my out of body and energy body expereinces were very strong. Like one night i remember i am moving through chakra system and as i moved through what i feel like my heart chakra i heard a tearing sound along with some sort of loud inner sound. The understanding was that i had a break through , through some barrier. I had dreams of our shared 'past life' memories but they were not recurring dreams, just to show that we are connected on many levels. There were challenges too, massive , like 'existential crisis' triggered by the relationship itself to push us further into our own sovereign truth independent of anything external. we went through questioning life in a very deep way last fall, i had to face the emptiness , like death. I had to question the most challenging aspect of being human -'the attachment' to loved ones.

    Its like people here, we are also soul families since we talk about things that sometimes our immediate birth families swont talk about. 2008 was indeed a turning point for me. I dont know if you listen to Bashar via Darryl Anka , he said that in the fall of 2016 everything will change. i have been aware of massive timeline jumps since 2012, literally the history i studied and remembered , some of the major events have changed in this timeline , thats the firsttime i was aware of the proof that 'past' can change since all time is now. there was a point in 2016 i was so much aware of daily timeline jumps of the collective , and individual , there were proofs in my personal life and in what we call collective history that was flickering back and forth. one day i would check a certain thing and the next day its 'past' would change, the flickering was very strong. Even in my physical surroundings , there were some things that i knew to be there always , suddenly appeared to be something that was added recently ,according to everyone around me. it was very fascinating period and it still is. We are all spiritually accelerating , we are waking up. Some who wake up experience kundalini and some don't. But the process of awakening continues , some remember their pastlives strongly that help with their progress and some connect to guides like the cathars. In my experience with Kundalini, its like the energy takes care of you, the inner guidance is strong when you surrender and we can hear clear energetic directions that feel correct. Many people experience this in many different ways.
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I understand what you are talking about. We've experienced the same kind of pattern with different focuses and different chronological orders. I already had lived my Dark Nights of the Soul (twice) before my Kundalini awakening. I was already in balanced energies when I 'met' my soul friend and the consequent K-awakening.

    I am not focused on timelines or 'the collective' not even on 'awakening'. It just happens and that's ok. There might be a wave of people that will end their repeated existence on this Earth but I assume there will be other souls to fill in their places after they left. The way I see it is that life on Earth gives the opportunity to live Free Will to the max. We can't complain if we don't like the outcome because all kinds of scenarios were part of the game.

    Once again, I find it highly interesting to read your story. In a way, it confirms my own. It makes me feel 'less crazy'. It's hard to find information about life after the K-awakening and life after you've found your soul friend. When you search on the internet, it's easy to find people who want to achieve both events but hardly information about how to organize and live life afterward. Life will never be the same again and 'no escape'.
     
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    Yes. nowadays i am finding myself in moments of no thought , moments of gap from the focus of the story, just being one with the NOW and i have never experienced anything as fulfilling as that, no where go , no goal to reach, nothing to do , just being one with what is. its like rejuvenation, being submerged in the source without breaking away from it. All energy is focused in self as whole. Its deeply nourishing and from that springs inspiration and creativity. This submerging in the source, in the moment has rekindled my interest in painting , and it feels like a loop of infinite energy feeding my inspiration and me acting upon it from fulfillment in turn creates more fulfillment, it in turn nourishes me .This now moment can take any form, walking in the back yard, reading a book, being still, painting, watching, talking , sleeping , working, anything we are doing can be done with absolute presence and even when the thoughts come back there is awareness of presence. I feel its about being able to be in the moment not shrinking away from what is in the moment and whatever form the truth takes in each moment, being able to BE that. Truth as the embodiment and not as a future goal. Timeline jumps interest me because they gave me the proof of illusion of continuity, they are like a break in the illusion. the illusion is strong. its something fascinating to observe like many things in life. I feel the loving kindness energy in your posts. Which is what Kundalini brings out the most in the end. Presence is loving kindness. :)
     
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    Hey guys , check this out. Pretty interesting Cathar past life information. Apparently their real wisdom came in dreams and channeling sessions from beings like Mary Magdalene and Hathors of Egypt. Today there are a lot of cases of channeling that happens from whom which we receive a lot of wisdom, its all over you tube some very good channeling sessions starting from SETH material to Bashar via Darryl, to pleadians, etc. But back then it must have been very difficult to express that wisdom due to the time period. But its the same wisdom as we know today. Also shows that not all Cathars were killed, some lived to their old age even.
    The volume is low when he speaks , you may have to adjust the volume in your system to listen better. very informative.
     
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    And some more interesting information on Cathars that appear to corroborate above regression video. This land of Cathars is a powerful portal to other dimensions as per some grid workers who have done massive energy work on that land. This, and the video and the past life memory or dream of KAYE they all go together wonderfully in my opinion.
    http://www.christofonline.com/2016/10/23/12th-stargate-action/
     
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    WHERE ARE THEY?? This is a question that continues to rise in my mind. I am frustrated by their absence, and drawn to something I cannot find. So many people murdered. So many with traumatic memories--tortured, burned alive, murdered--memories that should burn through the memory barrier. 'IN SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS THE LAUREL WILL BECOME GREEN AGAIN, GOOD PEOPLE WILL RETURN!' If this prophecy is a prophecy, they should be here now, on this board or obvious by their presence in the outer world. WHERE ARE THEY? I see some cult-like groups being established in their name, but I cannot help but suspect the types of groups that are built around the teachings of a single charismatic leader. In my experience, these types of groups--from Jim Jones to Scientology--turn out badly. The Cathars and Bogomils were not so, they were built around only one leader--the Christ--they had no other supreme leader or teacher. Instead they had many teachers, and these knew their teachings and taught others. Where are they? It may be that their religion proved true, and their teachers "the consoled" (called the "perfect" by the inquisition) were blessed in their deaths and did not return (and did not have to return), having entered the Light and having no desire to descend again into this world. But if not, why do they leave the rest of us without counsel? (Here I count myself as one who may have been one of their followers--by my own feelings in this matter if not by any clear memory). And why did Kaye visit briefly and then disappear? Was this what her contacts told her to do? Why? Is the time still not ripe? So many questions, and so few answers.
     
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    I’m back from a while lurking and taking it all in.
    Many times when meditating or practicing asanas I continue to “flash” to the visions that caused me to post on this forum in the first place. I think about a lot of things when doing intense physical exercise or actively attempting to quiet my mind, however the Cathar thoughts shine through strongly and it is evident to me that this is a clear message my subconscious is telling me. I see faces- lots of them. Sometimes I have sleep or day dreams where I interact with someone for a moment that I don’t know now, but feel familiar with them At that particular instance. It’s always something not of this time or place and then there is an overwhelming fear of intense fire. I recently read the Gospel of The Beloved Companion and that triggered an emotional response I did not expect. I’m not sure where to go from here. There is something tangible happening and I can’t seem to break out and take whatever next step I should be taking, be it more research, regression or just interacting with others feeling this as well.
    All my best wishes to all here seeking.

    TM
     
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    Hi TM,

    I can tell that you are another that seems to have heard this call. Thanks for your memories, your thoughts, and for bringing up the Gospel of the Beloved Companion. You make me feel less alone. I cannot tell whether this gospel is indeed what it purports to be, but I hope that it is. I would very much like to believe that the original writings and teachings of the Cathars were saved and preserved somehow and somewhere. The idea of this writing gives me hope that it might be so, but if so, its guardians need to come forth. If they have stayed hidden through the centuries to preserve this and perhaps other texts, it is time to distribute them freely, for they are safer spread to millions via the internet than they could ever be if hidden physically. If physically hidden with a group of guardians, as the stated background of this text implies, all could be found and destroyed. Only by disseminating this information as broadly as possible can it be safeguarded.

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--I am also obsessed with finding out as much as possible in this area. I think T-man has experienced a similar pull. Plus, there are many others who are interested even if not pulled as forcefully.
     
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